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00:00:32,217\n謝謝主席,我請國科會主委好,有請吳處委,謝謝委員好主委,每次因為委會執行時間相對短今天像只有8分鐘有時候委員會需要你們提供資料有沒有委員跟你們要資料不提供的情況?\n\n2\n00:00:33,595 --> 00:00:34,476\n今天我們國科會跟數法部AI的專題報告\n\n3\n00:00:50,931 --> 00:01:09,476\n其實對我來說非常的重要,它不只是一次的專題報告因為AI已經是我們人類發展的未來而台灣是AI發展當中非常重要的國家也就是說我們國科會所負責的人工智慧未來的發展其實是我們台灣未來關鍵的國力\n\n4\n00:01:11,576 --> 00:01:17,358\n所以希望你們要非常慎重來看待那這也是賴清德總統非常重視的政策那這幾天呢我們在台灣正在舉辦Computex所以有很多的大廠可以說是大咖雲集在台灣那我在你們的報告當中也看到了AI行動計畫裡面有提到我們要來提升國際的影響力具體來說我們怎麼樣來提升國際影響力\n\n5\n00:01:38,937 --> 00:02:04,582\n大家也看得到我們這次Computex全世界重要的AI相關的國際大廠全部都來了那代表台灣現在是在AI的核心的一個國家我們的AI硬體的製造從半導體一直在到這個雲端資料中心的機房到超級電腦所有這些設備大部分都是台灣製造的所以我們在國際化的這個製造\n\n6\n00:02:07,623 --> 00:02:36,130\n市場鏈已經是變成是一個中心點接下來我們要做的事情就是要把這個非常寶貴的這個資源把它擴散到其他的行業擴散到其他行業幫助我們其他的行業各行各業也能夠創造出未來在全球化在應用服務上面各個傳統產業更為升級變成智慧產業變成是一個全球在供應鏈上面更為成熟的一個國家\n\n7\n00:02:36,570 --> 00:02:39,752\n所以我們當然也會希望吸引這些大廠來台灣設廠那最近就是輝達已經表明了要在台灣再設一個擴大的研發中心包括了台北、高雄、台南都在爭取那雖然高雄黃捷委員是我好朋友但是我們台北市長蔣萬安市長也開口爭取了那以我們剛剛講到的這個國際影響力其實我認為台北是一個非常適合的城市因為台北當然是我們台灣對國際最重要的一個窗口\n\n8\n00:03:05,291 --> 00:03:12,897\n人才也是非常重要的要件黃仁勳執行長也說了要有夜市講到夜市我們台北也不會輸所以我希望國科會的角色你們當然不是第一線每一個縣市都要憑自己的條件努力的去爭取一旦未來如果輝達研發中心在台北落腳我希望我們國科會要給予最大的協助可不可以\n\n9\n00:03:30,831 --> 00:03:48,251\n我賴總統有講過就是均衡台灣我們各個縣市我們都會支持只要是在發展特色特別是應用的產業特色的產業各縣市都有那國科會秉持我們中央政府協助地方的角色我們一定都會來協助大家\n\n10\n00:03:49,612 --> 00:04:01,037\n接下來要非常關心也就是我們的AI基本法那很高興的看到我們報告當中我們有一個很大的進展目前我們的AI基本法是預計10月就要來提出來目前有沒有一個方向我們在這個AI基本法的部分我們有一個初步的版本已經出來了我們今天下午就會開第一場的跟產業的專家的這個諮詢\n\n11\n00:04:18,764 --> 00:04:40,022\n大家一起來討論說這個內容是不是合適那我們在這個月我們會辦三場包含產業界包含學術界包含這個各部會各部會的溝通還有這個法人機構還有甚至到我們的人權團體我們也都會邀請來制定一個比較平衡的兼顧人權也兼顧我們產業發展的這樣的制度\n\n12\n00:04:41,283 --> 00:04:45,105\n是因為AI進步法其實討論許久其中一個重點就是它的相關規範跟指引尤其是我們對於風險的管理如何管理風險但不能扼殺到產業所以我看我們政院其實過去國家智慧小組也開了好幾次的會也跟民間有諮詢的會議其中有給我們建議說應該要可以來參考國際AI安全峰會其中的布萊切利宣言\n\n13\n00:05:08,358 --> 00:05:32,172\n的一些基本的原則有沒有也在我們這次基本法的內容當中?有這個我們都有參考因為風險管理是其中一個非常重要的成分都在我們基本法的這個設計中好我想這非常的重要尤其是我們剛剛也有講到是我們自己政府部門相關的機關我們會不會參考美國聯邦政府新的AI指引就是要求各機關要有指定的專責人AI的人員來協助\n\n14\n00:05:35,173 --> 00:05:47,845\n謝謝委員這部分我們也把它納進來也在我們的基本法內容當中好那我們非常的期待AI的基本法在今年就可以來提出我們也非常的支持那接下來是兩天前有一個新聞也就是我們在講AI的風險不知道主委有沒有注意到英國正在進行大選那BBC有一個報導他們發現在TikTok上面\n\n15\n00:05:56,753 --> 00:06:16,574\n有利用AI來進行的這個影片跟影像的內容是是利用真人看起來是這個政治人物講的話裡面可能涉及到對了移工跨性別的權利等等非常錯誤偏差式的評論而這是完全是虛假的訊息\n\n16\n00:06:17,575 --> 00:06:45,207\n甚至還有利用這個真人的影像政黨的領袖來讓他唱一首歌也是先涉及到主題是關於青年來從事軍事軍隊這樣的主題所以可以說是在英國正在發生的是AI的虛假訊息正在介入選舉所以我們對於這樣子的AI的虛假訊息也沒有相對應的這個技術來反制例如說我們怎麼樣來辨識這些影片\n\n17\n00:06:47,384 --> 00:07:07,206\n是,我們數位發展部剛剛有提到他們也在發展相關的反制的這個技術利用AI來反制這種假訊息或者是這個詐騙所以我們目前是有這樣的技術有這樣的技術正在研究當中還是已經完成正在建制當中\n\n18\n00:07:08,487 --> 00:07:28,163\n那我們在AI基本法也會希望能夠把這一類的基本的人權因為這是民眾是生物痛覺的這些事情希望在AI基本法也有適當的這個宣示紅線在什麼地方是防止AI深層已變的假訊息我想這未來會是一個跨部會\n\n19\n00:07:29,344 --> 00:07:45,297\n的工作,它涉及到法務部警政署速發部相關的所以請你們務必這是一個正在發生當中的事情尤其我們現在基本法也要來提出了請你們務必要有相關的行政工作準備是謝謝委員好那最後我非常想要關心在報告當中是我們的AI教育我們也要向下扎根其中有提到\n\n20\n00:07:51,022 --> 00:08:05,281\n不只是高等教育要有能夠來協助學生有未來相關產業的這個培訓我們的國民教育現在你們AI第一期高中時你們已經有在進行AI扎根了嘛那未來國中國小我們預計來怎麼樣來做\n\n21\n00:08:07,742 --> 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那我們在這個月我們會辦三場包含產業界包含學術界包含這個各部會各部會的溝通還有這個法人機構還有甚至到我們的人權團體我們也都會邀請來制定一個比較平衡的兼顧人權也兼顧我們產業發展的這樣的制度\n是因為AI進步法其實討論許久其中一個重點就是它的相關規範跟指引尤其是我們對於風險的管理如何管理風險但不能扼殺到產業所以我看我們政院其實過去國家智慧小組也開了好幾次的會也跟民間有諮詢的會議其中有給我們建議說應該要可以來參考國際AI安全峰會其中的布萊切利宣言\n的一些基本的原則有沒有也在我們這次基本法的內容當中?有 這個我們都有參考因為風險管理是其中一個非常重要的成分都在我們基本法的這個設計中好 我想這非常的重要尤其是我們剛剛也有講到是我們自己政府部門相關的機關我們會不會參考美國聯邦政府新的AI指引就是要求各機關要有指定的專責人AI的人員來協助\n謝謝委員 這部分我們也把它納進來也在我們的基本法內容當中好 那我們非常的期待AI的基本法在今年就可以來提出我們也非常的支持那接下來是兩天前有一個新聞也就是我們在講AI的風險不知道主委有沒有注意到英國正在進行大選那BBC有一個報導他們發現在TikTok上面\n有利用AI來進行的這個影片跟影像的內容是是利用真人看起來是這個政治人物講的話裡面可能涉及到對了移工跨性別的權利等等非常錯誤偏差式的評論而這是完全是虛假的訊息\n甚至還有利用這個真人的影像政黨的領袖來讓他唱一首歌也是先涉及到主題是關於青年來從事軍事軍隊這樣的主題所以可以說是在英國正在發生的是AI的虛假訊息正在介入選舉所以我們對於這樣子的AI的虛假訊息也沒有相對應的這個技術來反制例如說我們怎麼樣來辨識這些影片\n是,我們數位發展部剛剛有提到他們也在發展相關的反制的這個技術利用AI來反制這種假訊息或者是這個詐騙所以我們目前是有這樣的技術有這樣的技術正在研究當中還是已經完成正在建制當中\n那我們在AI基本法也會希望能夠把這一類的基本的人權因為這是民眾是生物痛覺的這些事情希望在AI基本法也有適當的這個宣示紅線在什麼地方是防止AI深層已變的假訊息我想這未來會是一個跨部會\n的工作,它涉及到法務部警政署速發部相關的所以請你們務必這是一個正在發生當中的事情尤其我們現在基本法也要來提出了請你們務必要有相關的行政工作準備是謝謝委員好那最後我非常想要關心在報告當中是我們的AI教育我們也要向下扎根其中有提到\n不只是高等教育要有能夠來協助學生有未來相關產業的這個培訓我們的國民教育現在你們AI第一期高中時你們已經有在進行AI扎根了嘛那未來國中國小我們預計來怎麼樣來做\n國中小這一部分我還沒有跟教育部討論但是我有預計要跟教育部來討論這個事情我們當然也是希望說能夠讓我們的小朋友從小就認識到AI的正面的這個對我們的幫助以及它可能會造成的威脅讓我們的小朋友從小就了解它的正負面的這個狀況然後在教育上來引導他們將來往好的地方去發展\n主委,我覺得非常重要第一期我們已經有在高等教育有很不錯的成果那第二期我們要更加的向下扎根高中職、國中、國小我們趕快來跟教育部討論把這個規劃把它準備出來謝謝委員,我們會照做好,謝謝主席好,謝謝吳沛憶委員主委請坐那我們再來請陳秀寶委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:13.159 --> 00:32.217\n謝謝主席,我請國科會主委好,有請吳處委,謝謝委員好主委,每次因為委會執行時間相對短今天像只有8分鐘有時候委員會需要你們提供資料有沒有委員跟你們要資料不提供的情況?\n\n00:33.595 --> 00:34.476\n今天我們國科會跟數法部AI的專題報告\n\n00:50.931 --> 01:09.476\n其實對我來說非常的重要,它不只是一次的專題報告因為AI已經是我們人類發展的未來而台灣是AI發展當中非常重要的國家也就是說我們國科會所負責的人工智慧未來的發展其實是我們台灣未來關鍵的國力\n\n01:11.576 --> 01:17.358\n所以希望你們要非常慎重來看待那這也是賴清德總統非常重視的政策那這幾天呢我們在台灣正在舉辦Computex所以有很多的大廠可以說是大咖雲集在台灣那我在你們的報告當中也看到了AI行動計畫裡面有提到我們要來提升國際的影響力具體來說我們怎麼樣來提升國際影響力\n\n01:38.937 --> 02:04.582\n大家也看得到我們這次Computex全世界重要的AI相關的國際大廠全部都來了那代表台灣現在是在AI的核心的一個國家我們的AI硬體的製造從半導體一直在到這個雲端資料中心的機房到超級電腦所有這些設備大部分都是台灣製造的所以我們在國際化的這個製造\n\n02:07.623 --> 02:36.130\n市場鏈已經是變成是一個中心點接下來我們要做的事情就是要把這個非常寶貴的這個資源把它擴散到其他的行業擴散到其他行業幫助我們其他的行業各行各業也能夠創造出未來在全球化在應用服務上面各個傳統產業更為升級變成智慧產業變成是一個全球在供應鏈上面更為成熟的一個國家\n\n02:36.570 --> 02:39.752\n所以我們當然也會希望吸引這些大廠來台灣設廠那最近就是輝達已經表明了要在台灣再設一個擴大的研發中心包括了台北、高雄、台南都在爭取那雖然高雄黃捷委員是我好朋友但是我們台北市長蔣萬安市長也開口爭取了那以我們剛剛講到的這個國際影響力其實我認為台北是一個非常適合的城市因為台北當然是我們台灣對國際最重要的一個窗口\n\n03:05.291 --> 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08:43.299\n主委,我覺得非常重要第一期我們已經有在高等教育有很不錯的成果那第二期我們要更加的向下扎根高中職、國中、國小我們趕快來跟教育部討論把這個規劃把它準備出來謝謝委員,我們會照做好,謝謝主席好,謝謝吳沛憶委員主委請坐那我們再來請陳秀寶委員\n\n","segments":[{"start":13.159,"end":32.217,"text":"謝謝主席,我請國科會主委好,有請吳處委,謝謝委員好主委,每次因為委會執行時間相對短今天像只有8分鐘有時候委員會需要你們提供資料有沒有委員跟你們要資料不提供的情況?"},{"start":33.595,"end":34.476,"text":"今天我們國科會跟數法部AI的專題報告"},{"start":50.931,"end":69.476,"text":"其實對我來說非常的重要,它不只是一次的專題報告因為AI已經是我們人類發展的未來而台灣是AI發展當中非常重要的國家也就是說我們國科會所負責的人工智慧未來的發展其實是我們台灣未來關鍵的國力"},{"start":71.576,"end":77.358,"text":"所以希望你們要非常慎重來看待那這也是賴清德總統非常重視的政策那這幾天呢我們在台灣正在舉辦Computex所以有很多的大廠可以說是大咖雲集在台灣那我在你們的報告當中也看到了AI行動計畫裡面有提到我們要來提升國際的影響力具體來說我們怎麼樣來提升國際影響力"},{"start":98.937,"end":124.582,"text":"大家也看得到我們這次Computex全世界重要的AI相關的國際大廠全部都來了那代表台灣現在是在AI的核心的一個國家我們的AI硬體的製造從半導體一直在到這個雲端資料中心的機房到超級電腦所有這些設備大部分都是台灣製造的所以我們在國際化的這個製造"},{"start":127.623,"end":156.13,"text":"市場鏈已經是變成是一個中心點接下來我們要做的事情就是要把這個非常寶貴的這個資源把它擴散到其他的行業擴散到其他行業幫助我們其他的行業各行各業也能夠創造出未來在全球化在應用服務上面各個傳統產業更為升級變成智慧產業變成是一個全球在供應鏈上面更為成熟的一個國家"},{"start":156.57,"end":159.752,"text":"所以我們當然也會希望吸引這些大廠來台灣設廠那最近就是輝達已經表明了要在台灣再設一個擴大的研發中心包括了台北、高雄、台南都在爭取那雖然高雄黃捷委員是我好朋友但是我們台北市長蔣萬安市長也開口爭取了那以我們剛剛講到的這個國際影響力其實我認為台北是一個非常適合的城市因為台北當然是我們台灣對國際最重要的一個窗口"},{"start":185.291,"end":192.897,"text":"人才也是非常重要的要件黃仁勳執行長也說了要有夜市講到夜市我們台北也不會輸所以我希望國科會的角色你們當然不是第一線每一個縣市都要憑自己的條件努力的去爭取一旦未來如果輝達研發中心在台北落腳我希望我們國科會要給予最大的協助可不可以"},{"start":210.831,"end":228.251,"text":"我賴總統有講過就是均衡台灣我們各個縣市我們都會支持只要是在發展特色特別是應用的產業特色的產業各縣市都有那國科會秉持我們中央政府協助地方的角色我們一定都會來協助大家"},{"start":229.612,"end":241.037,"text":"接下來要非常關心也就是我們的AI基本法那很高興的看到我們報告當中我們有一個很大的進展目前我們的AI基本法是預計10月就要來提出來目前有沒有一個方向我們在這個AI基本法的部分我們有一個初步的版本已經出來了我們今天下午就會開第一場的跟產業的專家的這個諮詢"},{"start":258.764,"end":280.022,"text":"大家一起來討論說這個內容是不是合適 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