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00:02:31,239\n退伍會一直在輔導榮民的就學就業讓青壯年的榮民在退伍以後可以繼續的跟社會銜接而且可以貢獻所學甚至還可以解決目前缺工缺人才的這樣一個社會問題可是在過去這些優惠的\n\n8\n00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:46,708\n條件的區隔其實似乎讓人家會感覺到這個好像是對有職農民就是你再去從事相關工作的時候對他們是一種差別待遇甚至讓人家覺得你有職業是一種罪過\n\n9\n00:02:50,236 --> 00:03:05,233\n另外最重要的是因為行政院為了照顧警察消防海巡及空勤人員而對於國家的社會貢獻所以從108年開始警消海巡跟空勤他不管是限職\n\n10\n00:03:06,454 --> 00:03:27,502\n或者是退休人員還有他的遺卷他在就醫優惠的部分在退輔會所屬的榮怨他可以享有的優惠第一是掛號費全免由榮怨吸收第二就診及住院的程序是比照榮民來辦理第三個健保部分負擔也是全免\n\n11\n00:03:28,982 --> 00:03:40,727\n還有第4個自費健檢安置就養的費用也是比照農民的優惠他幾乎跟無職業的農民他所享受的這些優惠待遇是一致的可是在這幾個方案當中他也沒有把警消還有這些海巡相關的退休人員他有去分有職業或無職業他是全體適用而且這是行政命令而已\n\n12\n00:03:57,034 --> 00:04:05,797\n那對於有職榮民我們反而在榮院並沒有辦法享受到這樣的待遇其實就這個部分因為現在我們募兵這麼困難那榮民其實只要我們的兵役制度還像這樣的志願役的制度存在的情況之下我們一直會有榮民那你把它區分成這樣會讓他們的心理產生不平衡甚至有很多縣階段尤其是我們政府單位\n\n13\n00:04:25,945 --> 00:04:53,921\n現在政府單位裡面有很多其實他甚至不需要學經歷甚至不需要專業他都可以站住很高的位階甚至可以領很高的薪俸這也會造成很多的不平衡那就這個部分是不是主委有什麼樣的看法我們可以怎麼樣去做一個調整跟改變讓大家可以有一致性的一切公平的這樣的一個對等的優惠跟待遇這謝謝召委的指導目前警消\n\n14\n00:04:54,994 --> 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