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00:01:16,516\n發言當中不管直接或間接來支持我們的也達到26個加一個歐盟那這個也是以前最多的然後我們很重要的一個雙邊的會議雙邊的會議就是國與國籍的一個\n\n5\n00:01:21,581 --> 00:01:39,128\n應該是衛生最高層級的一個互動有沒有辦了大概43場這43場裡面當然有很多我們過去有跟他簽備忘錄的那備忘錄的內容我們一個一個來檢討怎麼樣來落實那如果還沒有簽的我們當然希望做更緊密的一個活動\n\n6\n00:01:40,249 --> 00:01:53,984\n那所談的合作都是因為這個國家所需要以及我們可以強項我們也可以幫忙來互動的所以這個部分他的場次也算是比以前都比較多\n\n7\n00:01:54,625 --> 00:02:16,933\n好所以所以其實重點這次比較可惜就是其實我們實質還是沒有進入會場所以那當然也沒有到大會去發言是對不對那就比較可惜像我們一些技術性議題技術性的會議也都沒有參與那據我們瞭解其實從2014年我們那時候馬政府的時候開始參加我們WHA其實剛剛部長也有講我們雙邊會談的次數這次是43次其實從我們以前來看\n\n8\n00:02:24,355 --> 00:02:37,640\n那以前我們從2014開始參與的時候我們雙邊會談只有58次那層級的部分當然也都是有到有跟美國衛生部長來會談我們這次也有跟那個貝塞拉會談嗎\n\n9\n00:02:41,836 --> 00:02:59,061\n這次有沒有跟美國衛生部長配餐?不但有互談得很深,然後這次也有公告,正式公告臨時出來。所以這次部分看起來,層級的部分是有到衛生部長。\n\n10\n00:02:59,761 --> 00:03:16,941\n就是還是很可惜就是整體上就是沒有機會到大會去發言那當然一些小組會一些技術性的議題我們也沒有機會去發表參與那雙邊會談次數其實整體看起來並沒有比以往的這麼多那在這邊也請問一下\n\n11\n00:03:17,722 --> 00:03:42,893\n因為部長我請問一下那時候我們在5月27號的時候部長有受訪就是說有談到說如果以中華台北參加WHA你說認為會牽涉到主權的問題然後說臺灣還是臺灣臺灣的國民就是中華民國這個主權不容打折那我請問一下所以部長你認為如果用中華台北\n\n12\n00:03:44,093 --> 00:04:05,921\n來參加WHO這個組織參加WHA這個會議你覺得有矮化主權之嫌還是覺得對我們國家的主權有打折的問題嗎?我們有各種團體其實的確曾經都是用強力式台配在參加不過這已經牽涉到國家這個WHO我們認為牽涉到國家的層面\n\n13\n00:04:11,383 --> 00:04:27,870\n那真的就是有主權要考量的問題所以這個要全國大家一起討論那我們如果今天他們以中華台北名義來邀請我們參加那我們會去參加嗎這可能要請教\n\n14\n00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:50,964\n因為我們一直以來之前都是用中華台北嘛那如果說因為我們這次好像也是用中華台北並沒有說要來參加可是部長說這個以中華台北好像有主權打折的問題那如果那是不是變成如果用中華台北可能以部長的看法可能就是\n\n15\n00:04:52,182 --> 00:05:13,873\n不見得會參加的意思其實我有時候我的翻譯英文不一定翻譯因為在英翻中在國際記者會其實我們直接問到這個問題我們就很直解就台灣就是台灣所以其實如果用中華台北的話我們應該以部長來講如果以中華台北我們應該還是會參加吧\n\n16\n00:05:17,782 --> 00:05:45,634\n我如果個人的話我是覺得就像我們醫療團體我們過去用ChineseTaipei現在已經全部都改成幾乎改成台灣不是因為我覺得我們這還是要務實啦那因為一直以來我們都是用中華台北參加那因為我是看到那個我們部長針對這個記者的說法那我們想說如果用中華台北的話以我們衛福部的立場會參加嗎\n\n17\n00:05:53,716 --> 00:06:13,083\n外交部有沒有問題我從我個人的立場上以及我其實我在國際我代表醫療至少自己國際奮鬥30年啦從學會啊什麼什麼我們努力的就是用台灣就是用台灣在代表台灣這是很務實的問題因為我們一直都用中華台北參加\n\n18\n00:06:20,061 --> 00:06:44,891\n國家是大家的如果能用中華民國當然我們也樂觀其成但是我的意思是說這是務實嘛因為現在我們連用中華台北連用觀察員的身份都沒有參加那我們也是要預設那我們今天如果有機會去參加他用中華台北來邀請我們以觀察員的身份那我們會不會參加要不要參加\n\n19\n00:06:48,052 --> 00:06:50,687\n沒關係能回答多少就回答多少\n\n20\n00:06:52,972 --> 00:07:21,255\n謝謝涂委員您的指教其實應該是說從政府的政策立場來講能夠用到我們的正式國民能夠用到我們全民凝聚共識最高的那當然我們是用這個取法呼喪嘛我們希望能夠有那樣的目標可以去奮鬥那過去委員您所提的實際發生的也的確有這個中華台北的名義我們以觀察員身份受邀去參加所以現在問題主要就是來自於說如果我們今天能夠讓\n\n21\n00:07:22,056 --> 00:07:22,196\n拜訪委員\n\n22\n00:07:38,931 --> 00:08:02,337\n我們也沒有那麼政治化啦我只是說因為我是希望我們還是要以務實來面對這個問題那目前我們的外交處境不管我們參加多少很多體育賽事很多的國際組織我們都是用中華台北來參加那今天我們為了我們台灣2350萬人民我們有很多公共醫療衛生的問題\n\n23\n00:08:04,358 --> 00:08:06,099\n中華民國來參加中華民國台灣來參加我們也是樂觀其成\n\n24\n00:08:20,606 --> 00:08:43,137\n所以我這邊是建議我們先應該還是要以務實外交來面對這個問題然後這個我們務實外交我們今天有機會參與之後當然我們也希望能夠突破我們的外交處境當然如果能用中華民國臺灣我們也是樂觀其成所以這邊我們是建議如果有機會能夠用中華臺北來參加我們還是以\n\n25\n00:08:45,498 --> 00:08:50,896\n台灣2350萬人民的福祉為前提還是要先務實地面對來參加\n\n26\n00:08:54,073 --> 00:09:21,762\n那這部分我希望因為今天也是想說瞭解我們因為我聽到部長對記者回答這個問題我們是有點擔心你現在以中華台北觀察員的身份都進不去你還要以中華民國以臺灣來這個前提國家這個主權不容打折當然我們也不容打折那我要這邊跟部長報告其實在2016年的時候我們蔡英文總統\n\n27\n00:09:22,702 --> 00:09:43,472\n就有派衛福部長去參加．而且當時也是以中華台北的名義參加．那時候的衛福部部長是林廷宙．而且也針對這個問題也特別問過蔡總統．蔡總統也說這個沒有矮化主權．喪失國格的問題．所以我覺得還是一樣希望還是以務實來面對好\n\n28\n00:09:45,413 --> 00:09:46,374\n謝謝涂權吉委員發言在這邊做一個宣告\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n69\t649\t請我們邱部長就像部長這樣\n16224\t22069\t謝謝邱部長也感謝邱部長也代表我們臺灣2350萬人到瑞士日內瓦參加WHA到世衛為我們臺灣來發聲那我想請問一下邱部長那你針對這一次到瑞士日內瓦所參與這個世界衛生大會你覺得這一次的成果怎麼樣\n47990\t62165\t謝謝謝謝涂權的指教第一個具體成果應該是友邦我們本來友邦就鑑定支持所以所有的跟友邦都有簽署提案讓我們加入觀察員然後在\n63869\t76516\t發言當中不管直接或間接來支持我們的也達到26個加一個歐盟那這個也是以前最多的然後我們很重要的一個雙邊的會議雙邊的會議就是國與國籍的一個\n81581\t99128\t應該是衛生最高層級的一個互動有沒有辦了大概43場這43場裡面當然有很多我們過去有跟他簽備忘錄的那備忘錄的內容我們一個一個來檢討怎麼樣來落實那如果還沒有簽的我們當然希望做更緊密的一個活動\n100249\t113984\t那所談的合作都是因為這個國家所需要以及我們可以強項我們也可以幫忙來互動的所以這個部分他的場次也算是比以前都比較多\n114625\t136933\t好所以所以其實重點這次比較可惜就是其實我們實質還是沒有進入會場所以那當然也沒有到大會去發言是對不對那就比較可惜像我們一些技術性議題技術性的會議也都沒有參與那據我們瞭解其實從2014年我們那時候馬政府的時候開始參加我們WHA其實剛剛部長也有講我們雙邊會談的次數這次是43次其實從我們以前來看\n144355\t157640\t那以前我們從2014開始參與的時候我們雙邊會談只有58次那層級的部分當然也都是有到有跟美國衛生部長來會談我們這次也有跟那個貝塞拉會談嗎\n161836\t179061\t這次有沒有跟美國衛生部長配餐?不但有互談得很深,然後這次也有公告,正式公告臨時出來。所以這次部分看起來,層級的部分是有到衛生部長。\n179761\t196941\t就是還是很可惜就是整體上就是沒有機會到大會去發言那當然一些小組會一些技術性的議題我們也沒有機會去發表參與那雙邊會談次數其實整體看起來並沒有比以往的這麼多那在這邊也請問一下\n197722\t222893\t因為部長我請問一下那時候我們在5月27號的時候部長有受訪就是說有談到說如果以中華台北參加WHA你說認為會牽涉到主權的問題然後說臺灣還是臺灣臺灣的國民就是中華民國這個主權不容打折那我請問一下所以部長你認為如果用中華台北\n224093\t245921\t來參加WHO這個組織參加WHA這個會議你覺得有矮化主權之嫌還是覺得對我們國家的主權有打折的問題嗎?我們有各種團體其實的確曾經都是用強力式台配在參加不過這已經牽涉到國家這個WHO我們認為牽涉到國家的層面\n251383\t267870\t那真的就是有主權要考量的問題所以這個要全國大家一起討論那我們如果今天他們以中華台北名義來邀請我們參加那我們會去參加嗎這可能要請教\n272200\t290964\t因為我們一直以來之前都是用中華台北嘛那如果說因為我們這次好像也是用中華台北並沒有說要來參加可是部長說這個以中華台北好像有主權打折的問題那如果那是不是變成如果用中華台北可能以部長的看法可能就是\n292182\t313873\t不見得會參加的意思其實我有時候我的翻譯英文不一定翻譯因為在英翻中在國際記者會其實我們直接問到這個問題我們就很直解就台灣就是台灣所以其實如果用中華台北的話我們應該以部長來講如果以中華台北我們應該還是會參加吧\n317782\t345634\t我如果個人的話我是覺得就像我們醫療團體我們過去用Chinese Taipei現在已經全部都改成幾乎改成台灣不是因為我覺得我們這還是要務實啦那因為一直以來我們都是用中華台北參加那因為我是看到那個我們部長針對這個記者的說法那我們想說如果用中華台北的話以我們衛福部的立場會參加嗎\n353716\t373083\t外交部有沒有問題我從我個人的立場上以及我其實我在國際我代表醫療至少自己國際奮鬥30年啦從學會啊什麼什麼我們努力的就是用台灣就是用台灣在代表台灣這是很務實的問題因為我們一直都用中華台北參加\n380061\t404891\t國家是大家的如果能用中華民國當然我們也樂觀其成但是我的意思是說這是務實嘛因為現在我們連用中華台北連用觀察員的身份都沒有參加那我們也是要預設那我們今天如果有機會去參加他用中華台北來邀請我們以觀察員的身份那我們會不會參加要不要參加\n408052\t410687\t沒關係能回答多少就回答多少\n412972\t441255\t謝謝涂委員您的指教其實應該是說從政府的政策立場來講能夠用到我們的正式國民能夠用到我們全民凝聚共識最高的那當然我們是用這個取法呼喪嘛我們希望能夠有那樣的目標可以去奮鬥那過去委員您所提的實際發生的也的確有這個中華台北的名義我們以觀察員身份受邀去參加所以現在問題主要就是來自於說如果我們今天能夠讓\n442056\t442196\t拜訪委員\n458931\t482337\t我們也沒有那麼政治化啦我只是說因為我是希望我們還是要以務實來面對這個問題那目前我們的外交處境不管我們參加多少很多體育賽事很多的國際組織我們都是用中華台北來參加那今天我們為了我們台灣2350萬人民我們有很多公共醫療衛生的問題\n484358\t486099\t中華民國來參加中華民國台灣來參加我們也是樂觀其成\n500606\t523137\t所以我這邊是建議我們先應該還是要以務實外交來面對這個問題然後這個我們務實外交我們今天有機會參與之後當然我們也希望能夠突破我們的外交處境當然如果能用中華民國臺灣我們也是樂觀其成所以這邊我們是建議如果有機會能夠用中華臺北來參加我們還是以\n525498\t530896\t台灣2350萬人民的福祉為前提還是要先務實地面對來參加\n534073\t561762\t那這部分我希望因為今天也是想說瞭解我們因為我聽到部長對記者回答這個問題我們是有點擔心你現在以中華台北觀察員的身份都進不去你還要以中華民國以臺灣來這個前提國家這個主權不容打折當然我們也不容打折那我要這邊跟部長報告其實在2016年的時候我們蔡英文總統\n562702\t583472\t就有派衛福部長去參加．而且當時也是以中華台北的名義參加．那時候的衛福部部長是林廷宙．而且也針對這個問題也特別問過蔡總統．蔡總統也說這個沒有矮化主權．喪失國格的問題．所以我覺得還是一樣希望還是以務實來面對好\n585413\t586374\t謝謝涂權吉委員發言在這邊做一個宣告\n","txt":"請我們邱部長就像部長這樣\n謝謝邱部長也感謝邱部長也代表我們臺灣2350萬人到瑞士日內瓦參加WHA到世衛為我們臺灣來發聲那我想請問一下邱部長那你針對這一次到瑞士日內瓦所參與這個世界衛生大會你覺得這一次的成果怎麼樣\n謝謝謝謝涂權的指教第一個具體成果應該是友邦我們本來友邦就鑑定支持所以所有的跟友邦都有簽署提案讓我們加入觀察員然後在\n發言當中不管直接或間接來支持我們的也達到26個加一個歐盟那這個也是以前最多的然後我們很重要的一個雙邊的會議雙邊的會議就是國與國籍的一個\n應該是衛生最高層級的一個互動有沒有辦了大概43場這43場裡面當然有很多我們過去有跟他簽備忘錄的那備忘錄的內容我們一個一個來檢討怎麼樣來落實那如果還沒有簽的我們當然希望做更緊密的一個活動\n那所談的合作都是因為這個國家所需要以及我們可以強項我們也可以幫忙來互動的所以這個部分他的場次也算是比以前都比較多\n好所以所以其實重點這次比較可惜就是其實我們實質還是沒有進入會場所以那當然也沒有到大會去發言是對不對那就比較可惜像我們一些技術性議題技術性的會議也都沒有參與那據我們瞭解其實從2014年我們那時候馬政府的時候開始參加我們WHA其實剛剛部長也有講我們雙邊會談的次數這次是43次其實從我們以前來看\n那以前我們從2014開始參與的時候我們雙邊會談只有58次那層級的部分當然也都是有到有跟美國衛生部長來會談我們這次也有跟那個貝塞拉會談嗎\n這次有沒有跟美國衛生部長配餐?不但有互談得很深,然後這次也有公告,正式公告臨時出來。所以這次部分看起來,層級的部分是有到衛生部長。\n就是還是很可惜就是整體上就是沒有機會到大會去發言那當然一些小組會一些技術性的議題我們也沒有機會去發表參與那雙邊會談次數其實整體看起來並沒有比以往的這麼多那在這邊也請問一下\n因為部長我請問一下那時候我們在5月27號的時候部長有受訪就是說有談到說如果以中華台北參加WHA你說認為會牽涉到主權的問題然後說臺灣還是臺灣臺灣的國民就是中華民國這個主權不容打折那我請問一下所以部長你認為如果用中華台北\n來參加WHO這個組織參加WHA這個會議你覺得有矮化主權之嫌還是覺得對我們國家的主權有打折的問題嗎?我們有各種團體其實的確曾經都是用強力式台配在參加不過這已經牽涉到國家這個WHO我們認為牽涉到國家的層面\n那真的就是有主權要考量的問題所以這個要全國大家一起討論那我們如果今天他們以中華台北名義來邀請我們參加那我們會去參加嗎這可能要請教\n因為我們一直以來之前都是用中華台北嘛那如果說因為我們這次好像也是用中華台北並沒有說要來參加可是部長說這個以中華台北好像有主權打折的問題那如果那是不是變成如果用中華台北可能以部長的看法可能就是\n不見得會參加的意思其實我有時候我的翻譯英文不一定翻譯因為在英翻中在國際記者會其實我們直接問到這個問題我們就很直解就台灣就是台灣所以其實如果用中華台北的話我們應該以部長來講如果以中華台北我們應該還是會參加吧\n我如果個人的話我是覺得就像我們醫療團體我們過去用Chinese Taipei現在已經全部都改成幾乎改成台灣不是因為我覺得我們這還是要務實啦那因為一直以來我們都是用中華台北參加那因為我是看到那個我們部長針對這個記者的說法那我們想說如果用中華台北的話以我們衛福部的立場會參加嗎\n外交部有沒有問題我從我個人的立場上以及我其實我在國際我代表醫療至少自己國際奮鬥30年啦從學會啊什麼什麼我們努力的就是用台灣就是用台灣在代表台灣這是很務實的問題因為我們一直都用中華台北參加\n國家是大家的如果能用中華民國當然我們也樂觀其成但是我的意思是說這是務實嘛因為現在我們連用中華台北連用觀察員的身份都沒有參加那我們也是要預設那我們今天如果有機會去參加他用中華台北來邀請我們以觀察員的身份那我們會不會參加要不要參加\n沒關係能回答多少就回答多少\n謝謝涂委員您的指教其實應該是說從政府的政策立場來講能夠用到我們的正式國民能夠用到我們全民凝聚共識最高的那當然我們是用這個取法呼喪嘛我們希望能夠有那樣的目標可以去奮鬥那過去委員您所提的實際發生的也的確有這個中華台北的名義我們以觀察員身份受邀去參加所以現在問題主要就是來自於說如果我們今天能夠讓\n拜訪委員\n我們也沒有那麼政治化啦我只是說因為我是希望我們還是要以務實來面對這個問題那目前我們的外交處境不管我們參加多少很多體育賽事很多的國際組織我們都是用中華台北來參加那今天我們為了我們台灣2350萬人民我們有很多公共醫療衛生的問題\n中華民國來參加中華民國台灣來參加我們也是樂觀其成\n所以我這邊是建議我們先應該還是要以務實外交來面對這個問題然後這個我們務實外交我們今天有機會參與之後當然我們也希望能夠突破我們的外交處境當然如果能用中華民國臺灣我們也是樂觀其成所以這邊我們是建議如果有機會能夠用中華臺北來參加我們還是以\n台灣2350萬人民的福祉為前提還是要先務實地面對來參加\n那這部分我希望因為今天也是想說瞭解我們因為我聽到部長對記者回答這個問題我們是有點擔心你現在以中華台北觀察員的身份都進不去你還要以中華民國以臺灣來這個前提國家這個主權不容打折當然我們也不容打折那我要這邊跟部長報告其實在2016年的時候我們蔡英文總統\n就有派衛福部長去參加．而且當時也是以中華台北的名義參加．那時候的衛福部部長是林廷宙．而且也針對這個問題也特別問過蔡總統．蔡總統也說這個沒有矮化主權．喪失國格的問題．所以我覺得還是一樣希望還是以務實來面對好\n謝謝涂權吉委員發言在這邊做一個宣告\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.069 --> 00:00.649\n請我們邱部長就像部長這樣\n\n00:16.224 --> 00:22.069\n謝謝邱部長也感謝邱部長也代表我們臺灣2350萬人到瑞士日內瓦參加WHA到世衛為我們臺灣來發聲那我想請問一下邱部長那你針對這一次到瑞士日內瓦所參與這個世界衛生大會你覺得這一次的成果怎麼樣\n\n00:47.990 --> 01:02.165\n謝謝謝謝涂權的指教第一個具體成果應該是友邦我們本來友邦就鑑定支持所以所有的跟友邦都有簽署提案讓我們加入觀察員然後在\n\n01:03.869 --> 01:16.516\n發言當中不管直接或間接來支持我們的也達到26個加一個歐盟那這個也是以前最多的然後我們很重要的一個雙邊的會議雙邊的會議就是國與國籍的一個\n\n01:21.581 --> 01:39.128\n應該是衛生最高層級的一個互動有沒有辦了大概43場這43場裡面當然有很多我們過去有跟他簽備忘錄的那備忘錄的內容我們一個一個來檢討怎麼樣來落實那如果還沒有簽的我們當然希望做更緊密的一個活動\n\n01:40.249 --> 01:53.984\n那所談的合作都是因為這個國家所需要以及我們可以強項我們也可以幫忙來互動的所以這個部分他的場次也算是比以前都比較多\n\n01:54.625 --> 02:16.933\n好所以所以其實重點這次比較可惜就是其實我們實質還是沒有進入會場所以那當然也沒有到大會去發言是對不對那就比較可惜像我們一些技術性議題技術性的會議也都沒有參與那據我們瞭解其實從2014年我們那時候馬政府的時候開始參加我們WHA其實剛剛部長也有講我們雙邊會談的次數這次是43次其實從我們以前來看\n\n02:24.355 --> 02:37.640\n那以前我們從2014開始參與的時候我們雙邊會談只有58次那層級的部分當然也都是有到有跟美國衛生部長來會談我們這次也有跟那個貝塞拉會談嗎\n\n02:41.836 --> 02:59.061\n這次有沒有跟美國衛生部長配餐?不但有互談得很深,然後這次也有公告,正式公告臨時出來。所以這次部分看起來,層級的部分是有到衛生部長。\n\n02:59.761 --> 03:16.941\n就是還是很可惜就是整體上就是沒有機會到大會去發言那當然一些小組會一些技術性的議題我們也沒有機會去發表參與那雙邊會談次數其實整體看起來並沒有比以往的這麼多那在這邊也請問一下\n\n03:17.722 --> 03:42.893\n因為部長我請問一下那時候我們在5月27號的時候部長有受訪就是說有談到說如果以中華台北參加WHA你說認為會牽涉到主權的問題然後說臺灣還是臺灣臺灣的國民就是中華民國這個主權不容打折那我請問一下所以部長你認為如果用中華台北\n\n03:44.093 --> 04:05.921\n來參加WHO這個組織參加WHA這個會議你覺得有矮化主權之嫌還是覺得對我們國家的主權有打折的問題嗎?我們有各種團體其實的確曾經都是用強力式台配在參加不過這已經牽涉到國家這個WHO我們認為牽涉到國家的層面\n\n04:11.383 --> 04:27.870\n那真的就是有主權要考量的問題所以這個要全國大家一起討論那我們如果今天他們以中華台北名義來邀請我們參加那我們會去參加嗎這可能要請教\n\n04:32.200 --> 04:50.964\n因為我們一直以來之前都是用中華台北嘛那如果說因為我們這次好像也是用中華台北並沒有說要來參加可是部長說這個以中華台北好像有主權打折的問題那如果那是不是變成如果用中華台北可能以部長的看法可能就是\n\n04:52.182 --> 05:13.873\n不見得會參加的意思其實我有時候我的翻譯英文不一定翻譯因為在英翻中在國際記者會其實我們直接問到這個問題我們就很直解就台灣就是台灣所以其實如果用中華台北的話我們應該以部長來講如果以中華台北我們應該還是會參加吧\n\n05:17.782 --> 05:45.634\n我如果個人的話我是覺得就像我們醫療團體我們過去用ChineseTaipei現在已經全部都改成幾乎改成台灣不是因為我覺得我們這還是要務實啦那因為一直以來我們都是用中華台北參加那因為我是看到那個我們部長針對這個記者的說法那我們想說如果用中華台北的話以我們衛福部的立場會參加嗎\n\n05:53.716 --> 06:13.083\n外交部有沒有問題我從我個人的立場上以及我其實我在國際我代表醫療至少自己國際奮鬥30年啦從學會啊什麼什麼我們努力的就是用台灣就是用台灣在代表台灣這是很務實的問題因為我們一直都用中華台北參加\n\n06:20.061 --> 06:44.891\n國家是大家的如果能用中華民國當然我們也樂觀其成但是我的意思是說這是務實嘛因為現在我們連用中華台北連用觀察員的身份都沒有參加那我們也是要預設那我們今天如果有機會去參加他用中華台北來邀請我們以觀察員的身份那我們會不會參加要不要參加\n\n06:48.052 --> 06:50.687\n沒關係能回答多少就回答多少\n\n06:52.972 --> 07:21.255\n謝謝涂委員您的指教其實應該是說從政府的政策立場來講能夠用到我們的正式國民能夠用到我們全民凝聚共識最高的那當然我們是用這個取法呼喪嘛我們希望能夠有那樣的目標可以去奮鬥那過去委員您所提的實際發生的也的確有這個中華台北的名義我們以觀察員身份受邀去參加所以現在問題主要就是來自於說如果我們今天能夠讓\n\n07:22.056 --> 07:22.196\n拜訪委員\n\n07:38.931 --> 08:02.337\n我們也沒有那麼政治化啦我只是說因為我是希望我們還是要以務實來面對這個問題那目前我們的外交處境不管我們參加多少很多體育賽事很多的國際組織我們都是用中華台北來參加那今天我們為了我們台灣2350萬人民我們有很多公共醫療衛生的問題\n\n08:04.358 --> 08:06.099\n中華民國來參加中華民國台灣來參加我們也是樂觀其成\n\n08:20.606 --> 08:43.137\n所以我這邊是建議我們先應該還是要以務實外交來面對這個問題然後這個我們務實外交我們今天有機會參與之後當然我們也希望能夠突破我們的外交處境當然如果能用中華民國臺灣我們也是樂觀其成所以這邊我們是建議如果有機會能夠用中華臺北來參加我們還是以\n\n08:45.498 --> 08:50.896\n台灣2350萬人民的福祉為前提還是要先務實地面對來參加\n\n08:54.073 --> 09:21.762\n那這部分我希望因為今天也是想說瞭解我們因為我聽到部長對記者回答這個問題我們是有點擔心你現在以中華台北觀察員的身份都進不去你還要以中華民國以臺灣來這個前提國家這個主權不容打折當然我們也不容打折那我要這邊跟部長報告其實在2016年的時候我們蔡英文總統\n\n09:22.702 --> 09:43.472\n就有派衛福部長去參加．而且當時也是以中華台北的名義參加．那時候的衛福部部長是林廷宙．而且也針對這個問題也特別問過蔡總統．蔡總統也說這個沒有矮化主權．喪失國格的問題．所以我覺得還是一樣希望還是以務實來面對好\n\n09:45.413 --> 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