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00:00:00,389\n有請主席：邀請吳主委：數位部的葉長次有請主委跟葉次長\n\n2\n00:00:23,854 --> 00:00:44,286\n委員好主委好主委不好意思我還是要提到一下前主委齁那個人工智慧基本法預計在今年年底推出那這是他說的齁那這個上個月主委您更是直接承諾要力拼今年10月底送進行政院請問目前草案研擬的進度有沒有方向有哪些方向什麼時候進行預告\n\n3\n00:00:46,124 --> 00:01:04,577\n我們這個月就在進行各界的溝通我們會開三場的諮詢會議包含跟產業界跟政府的各單位還有法輪學術界要做溝通10月要送進行政院8月可以預告吧8月可以預告\n\n4\n00:01:05,523 --> 00:01:27,580\n社會大眾不只是關注這個人工智慧基本法是因為今年3月13日歐盟已經通過了人工智慧法案我想這個等於未來要跟歐盟做生意AI的相關產業都需要遵守相關的規定否則無法進入市場本期就想先請問一下主委是否瞭解AI相關產業的產值有多少會輸出到歐盟的佑戰多少\n\n5\n00:01:28,881 --> 00:01:54,678\nAI相關產業的產值是很難估計啦因為各種不同的應用你要把它的產值都加進來它其實相當的高那輸出到歐盟的占比呢你是講委員是講這個光是講硬體的部分還是因為台灣的輸出主要台灣的輸出主要是以硬體為主啦對到歐盟的有多少大概但是硬體其實我們直接供應的還是以美國的廠商為主美國廠商為主\n\n6\n00:01:55,919 --> 00:02:19,952\n以廠商為主,所以這一部分直接到歐盟的數量是比較少的但是確實的數字可能經濟部才會比較清楚沒關係沒關係我現在想要跟你探討的是另外一個層面本席因為會這樣子問的原因是國際上針對AI治理本來就有兩種做法那一種是歐盟這種嚴格治理的模式提出監管的一個立法法案另外一種是美國、日本、英國\n\n7\n00:02:23,975 --> 00:02:38,666\n提供相關的指導原則與技術標準吳前主委有表示台灣不會走歐盟的路線而是朝日本、美國、英國的鼓勵創新的模式來做規劃但上個月有委員問您的立場您的回答是\n\n8\n00:02:39,787 --> 00:02:41,229\n委員會主任委員會主席\n\n9\n00:03:00,912 --> 00:03:12,345\n主張走中間路線控制的剛剛好那這樣子的算是控制的剛剛好的話那是不是一半符合歐盟一半不符合歐盟您可以給本席回答一下嗎\n\n10\n00:03:13,186 --> 00:03:34,211\n是這個問題很好我想我們前主委的態度非常清楚是因為台灣的產業其實跟美國這些主要的產商這個禮拜的委員也看得到主要往來是主要往來所以我們的產業發展為主的話就是以美國所訂定的這些法規的方向為參考的對象\n\n11\n00:03:36,672 --> 00:03:57,172\n剛剛委員有提醒說在歐盟非常重視人權的這種法規的這種制定的方向其實我們的民眾也是非常期待我們也了解到說現在利用AI來做這個不好的事情詐騙、假訊息等等這些也是民眾深入痛覺的所以我們也會兼顧這部分\n\n12\n00:03:59,093 --> 00:04:15,030\n所以我想沒有對錯啦前主委跟現在您主委的一個態度我覺得沒有對錯只有好用跟更好用我們只是要善加提醒任何一個方案都可以但是就是要以最大台灣利益為考量\n\n13\n00:04:15,771 --> 00:04:35,652\n我想如果要走歐盟的模式大家都知道那個非常嚴格的限定而且AI法案將人工智慧又把技術上分成不可接受風險的等級然後還有需額外遵守安全規範的高風險等級承受的一個透明度義務有限或低風險的一個等級我想國科會是否有盤點\n\n14\n00:04:36,633 --> 00:04:54,767\n目前台灣AI產業發展有哪些屬於不可接受風險的等級高風險的等級以及有限或低風險的等級因為一旦踩到這一個罰款的紅線可能是從3500萬歐元跟全球營業額的7%到750萬歐元或營業額1.5%不等有沒有掌握這一類\n\n15\n00:05:02,510 --> 00:05:06,892\n這部分的業務我想我們將來我們數位發展部會依照委員這樣的這個意見我們會來進行就是盤點我們的產業數位發展部也是牽涉到我們的AI產業發展所以我們會來盤點\n\n16\n00:05:17,557 --> 00:05:41,208\n我們就是善意提醒沒有要拷倒你們只是希望一定要多加注意啦好不好請問規劃中的人工智慧基本法是否也有針對政府部分來做規範像目前行政院所屬機關使用深層式AI的參考指引就只有針對深層式AI的內容進行規範而沒有針對利用人工智慧系統來進行的社會評分預防犯罪以及行為操控的相關規定\n\n17\n00:05:43,074 --> 00:06:02,485\n謝謝委員提醒我們在政府部門在AI基本法我們會做一些這個很重要的這個所以目前還沒做目前目前還好對都是提醒的那幾點我想我今天所提醒的剛好都是沒有做的部分那沒關係您的笑容非常燦爛也展現出誠意\n\n18\n00:06:05,086 --> 00:06:32,452\n沒有做我們趕緊補上我們會補上好不好這個部分可以嗎謝謝委員謝謝你好那另外呢歐盟以一般資料保護規則GDPR為例他不只規範企業也規範政府台灣個資法的主管機關原本是國發會為了因應GDPR所以成立了個人資料保護委員會的籌備處如果按照相同的道理我們是否也應該設立一個人工智慧治理保護委員會的方向思考\n\n19\n00:06:34,144 --> 00:06:49,833\n我們會來研議一下委員的這個意見相當有深度好這也是一個建議啦但是我想都是有脈絡的所以我們才會做這樣子的一個探討那諸位您應該有聽過數位落差\n\n20\n00:06:51,914 --> 00:07:14,543\n有聽過當然AI也會面臨相對應的一個問題我們的孩子是否擁有或者是會使用AI我覺得這會是未來一個新的課題也會成為新的不平等所以以後也會有一個AI落差以後可能會有會AI跟不會AI的兩個群體的差距要怎麼改善這之間的一個差距未來有沒有什麼想法\n\n21\n00:07:15,222 --> 00:07:36,993\n未來我們會跟教育部來合作希望能夠從教育端包含從大中小學能夠盡量把AI這種比較屬於科普的這種課程能夠拿到教育那對於這個民眾我們在產業推廣的時候我們會進行各行各業的這個產業推廣希望能夠減少這個數位落差\n\n22\n00:07:40,697 --> 00:07:56,354\nAI的落差以及高職以及國中他們能不能重視AI這是我未來非常關注重要的一個課題我要先跟你講喔那我先請問一下次長喔次長那個部長上任的時候有規劃說要設立AI生態園區目前規劃為何?\n\n23\n00:07:57,825 --> 00:08:17,345\n跟委員報告首先當然AI生態園區這個概念當然還是在提出階段我們在跟國發會有沒有考慮在台中設立我們部長強調主要是生態而不是園區因為對於這個AI產業來講大多數的產業都是在線上進行的所以它需要的是資料、算力跟演算法\n\n24\n00:08:18,166 --> 00:08:33,845\n我們會優先從這方面來投資而不是投資土地或廠房所以就我們的觀點來看的話我們會對全台灣跟AI有相關的產業都盡量把它串聯起來好那我還是要說台中有土地水南園區以及它有一個創研用地\n\n25\n00:08:35,206 --> 00:08:52,117\n交通方便、位置適中、居住人口也年輕相關產業人才皆有也希望你能夠考量為使AI的一個應用發展可信任度、安全且可靠所以規劃必須通過數位部的一個AI評測業者才能販售或使用AI系統請問國內制度是否有參考國際相關的規範目前規劃的評測類型項目又是哪些\n\n26\n00:08:57,680 --> 00:09:20,337\n跟委員報告第一個就是說我們現在評測當然不是一個強制性的是一個鼓勵性質的第二個就是說我們所參考的標準包括歐盟的以及美國NIST就是這個美國資源院的我們希望你們能夠參考國外的相關案例我們會跟國際的標準接軌好不好最後我想這個數位部在今天的報告有提到在高中值開設AI課程請問辦理的狀況為何整體開設的比例有多高\n\n27\n00:09:23,619 --> 00:09:27,401\n目前這些課程我想這個偏鄉還有高中值的開設狀況這都是我們所關注的那與哪些企業及培訓單位合作我們也很想知道是不是會以後能夠提供相關的資料給我們\n\n28\n00:09:49,654 --> 00:09:58,246\n我們更希望能夠讓所有的孩子都有機會能夠參與到加強宣傳所以資料給我我也來幫忙宣傳嘛好不好我們一起為教育努力謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n9\t389\t有請主席：邀請吳主委：數位部的葉長次有請主委跟葉次長\n23854\t44286\t委員好主委好 主委不好意思我還是要提到一下前主委齁那個人工智慧基本法預計在今年年底推出那這是他說的齁那這個上個月主委您更是直接承諾要力拼今年10月底送進行政院請問目前草案研擬的進度有沒有方向有哪些方向什麼時候進行預告\n46124\t64577\t我們這個月就在進行各界的溝通我們會開三場的諮詢會議包含跟產業界跟政府的各單位還有法輪學術界要做溝通10月要送進行政院8月可以預告吧8月可以預告\n65523\t87580\t社會大眾不只是關注這個人工智慧基本法是因為今年3月13日歐盟已經通過了人工智慧法案我想這個等於未來要跟歐盟做生意AI的相關產業都需要遵守相關的規定否則無法進入市場本期就想先請問一下主委是否瞭解AI相關產業的產值有多少會輸出到歐盟的佑戰多少\n88881\t114678\tAI相關產業的產值是很難估計啦因為各種不同的應用你要把它的產值都加進來它其實相當的高那輸出到歐盟的占比呢你是講委員是講這個光是講硬體的部分還是因為台灣的輸出主要台灣的輸出主要是以硬體為主啦對到歐盟的有多少大概但是硬體其實我們直接供應的還是以美國的廠商為主美國廠商為主\n115919\t139952\t以廠商為主,所以這一部分直接到歐盟的數量是比較少的但是確實的數字可能經濟部才會比較清楚沒關係沒關係我現在想要跟你探討的是另外一個層面本席因為會這樣子問的原因是國際上針對AI治理本來就有兩種做法那一種是歐盟這種嚴格治理的模式提出監管的一個立法法案另外一種是美國、日本、英國\n143975\t158666\t提供相關的指導原則與技術標準吳前主委有表示台灣不會走歐盟的路線而是朝日本、美國、英國的鼓勵創新的模式來做規劃但上個月有委員問您的立場您的回答是\n159787\t161229\t委員會主任委員會主席\n180912\t192345\t主張走中間路線控制的剛剛好那這樣子的算是控制的剛剛好的話那是不是一半符合歐盟一半不符合歐盟您可以給本席回答一下嗎\n193186\t214211\t是 這個問題很好 我想我們前主委的態度非常清楚是因為台灣的產業其實跟美國這些主要的產商 這個禮拜的委員也看得到主要往來 是主要往來 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這也是一個建議啦但是我想都是有脈絡的所以我們才會做這樣子的一個探討那 諸位您應該有聽過數位落差\n411914\t434543\t有聽過當然AI也會面臨相對應的一個問題我們的孩子是否擁有或者是會使用AI我覺得這會是未來一個新的課題也會成為新的不平等所以以後也會有一個AI落差以後可能會有會AI跟不會AI的兩個群體的差距要怎麼改善這之間的一個差距未來有沒有什麼想法\n435222\t456993\t未來我們會跟教育部來合作希望能夠從教育端包含從大中小學能夠盡量把AI這種比較屬於科普的這種課程能夠拿到教育那對於這個民眾我們在產業推廣的時候我們會進行各行各業的這個產業推廣希望能夠減少這個數位落差\n460697\t476354\tAI的落差以及高職以及國中他們能不能重視AI這是我未來非常關注重要的一個課題我要先跟你講喔那我先請問一下次長喔次長那個部長上任的時候有規劃說要設立AI生態園區目前規劃為何?\n477825\t497345\t跟委員報告首先當然AI生態園區這個概念當然還是在提出階段我們在跟國發會有沒有考慮在台中設立我們部長強調主要是生態而不是園區因為對於這個AI產業來講大多數的產業都是在線上進行的所以它需要的是資料、算力跟演算法\n498166\t513845\t我們會優先從這方面來投資而不是投資土地或廠房所以就我們的觀點來看的話我們會對全台灣跟AI有相關的產業都盡量把它串聯起來好 那我還是要說台中有土地水南園區以及它有一個創研用地\n515206\t532117\t交通方便、位置適中、居住人口也年輕相關產業人才皆有也希望你能夠考量為使AI的一個應用發展可信任度、安全且可靠所以規劃必須通過數位部的一個AI評測業者才能販售或使用AI系統請問國內制度是否有參考國際相關的規範目前規劃的評測類型項目又是哪些\n537680\t560337\t跟委員報告第一個就是說我們現在評測當然不是一個強制性的是一個鼓勵性質的第二個就是說我們所參考的標準包括歐盟的以及美國NIST就是這個美國資源院的我們希望你們能夠參考國外的相關案例我們會跟國際的標準接軌好不好最後我想這個數位部在今天的報告有提到在高中值開設AI課程請問辦理的狀況為何整體開設的比例有多高\n563619\t567401\t目前這些課程我想這個偏鄉還有高中值的開設狀況這都是我們所關注的那與哪些企業及培訓單位合作我們也很想知道是不是會以後能夠提供相關的資料給我們\n589654\t598246\t我們更希望能夠讓所有的孩子都有機會能夠參與到加強宣傳所以資料給我我也來幫忙宣傳嘛好不好我們一起為教育努力謝謝\n","txt":"有請主席：邀請吳主委：數位部的葉長次有請主委跟葉次長\n委員好主委好 主委不好意思我還是要提到一下前主委齁那個人工智慧基本法預計在今年年底推出那這是他說的齁那這個上個月主委您更是直接承諾要力拼今年10月底送進行政院請問目前草案研擬的進度有沒有方向有哪些方向什麼時候進行預告\n我們這個月就在進行各界的溝通我們會開三場的諮詢會議包含跟產業界跟政府的各單位還有法輪學術界要做溝通10月要送進行政院8月可以預告吧8月可以預告\n社會大眾不只是關注這個人工智慧基本法是因為今年3月13日歐盟已經通過了人工智慧法案我想這個等於未來要跟歐盟做生意AI的相關產業都需要遵守相關的規定否則無法進入市場本期就想先請問一下主委是否瞭解AI相關產業的產值有多少會輸出到歐盟的佑戰多少\nAI相關產業的產值是很難估計啦因為各種不同的應用你要把它的產值都加進來它其實相當的高那輸出到歐盟的占比呢你是講委員是講這個光是講硬體的部分還是因為台灣的輸出主要台灣的輸出主要是以硬體為主啦對到歐盟的有多少大概但是硬體其實我們直接供應的還是以美國的廠商為主美國廠商為主\n以廠商為主,所以這一部分直接到歐盟的數量是比較少的但是確實的數字可能經濟部才會比較清楚沒關係沒關係我現在想要跟你探討的是另外一個層面本席因為會這樣子問的原因是國際上針對AI治理本來就有兩種做法那一種是歐盟這種嚴格治理的模式提出監管的一個立法法案另外一種是美國、日本、英國\n提供相關的指導原則與技術標準吳前主委有表示台灣不會走歐盟的路線而是朝日本、美國、英國的鼓勵創新的模式來做規劃但上個月有委員問您的立場您的回答是\n委員會主任委員會主席\n主張走中間路線控制的剛剛好那這樣子的算是控制的剛剛好的話那是不是一半符合歐盟一半不符合歐盟您可以給本席回答一下嗎\n是 這個問題很好 我想我們前主委的態度非常清楚是因為台灣的產業其實跟美國這些主要的產商 這個禮拜的委員也看得到主要往來 是主要往來 所以我們的產業發展為主的話就是以美國所訂定的這些法規的方向為參考的對象\n剛剛委員有提醒說在歐盟非常重視人權的這種法規的這種制定的方向其實我們的民眾也是非常期待我們也了解到說現在利用AI來做這個不好的事情詐騙、假訊息等等這些也是民眾深入痛覺的所以我們也會兼顧這部分\n所以我想沒有對錯啦前主委跟現在您主委的一個態度我覺得沒有對錯只有好用跟更好用我們只是要善加提醒任何一個方案都可以但是就是要以最大台灣利益為考量\n我想如果要走歐盟的模式大家都知道那個非常嚴格的限定而且AI法案將人工智慧又把技術上分成不可接受風險的等級然後還有需額外遵守安全規範的高風險等級承受的一個透明度義務有限或低風險的一個等級我想國科會是否有盤點\n目前台灣AI產業發展有哪些屬於不可接受風險的等級高風險的等級以及有限或低風險的等級因為一旦踩到這一個罰款的紅線可能是從3500萬歐元跟全球營業額的7%到750萬歐元或營業額1.5%不等有沒有掌握這一類\n這部分的業務我想我們將來我們數位發展部會依照委員這樣的這個意見我們會來進行就是盤點我們的產業數位發展部也是牽涉到我們的AI產業發展所以我們會來盤點\n我們就是善意提醒沒有要拷倒你們只是希望一定要多加注意啦好不好請問規劃中的人工智慧基本法是否也有針對政府部分來做規範像目前行政院所屬機關使用深層式AI的參考指引就只有針對深層式AI的內容進行規範而沒有針對利用人工智慧系統來進行的社會評分預防犯罪以及行為操控的相關規定\n謝謝委員提醒我們在政府部門在AI基本法我們會做一些這個很重要的這個所以目前還沒做目前目前還好對都是提醒的那幾點我想我今天所提醒的剛好都是沒有做的部分那沒關係您的笑容非常燦爛也展現出誠意\n沒有做我們趕緊補上我們會補上好不好這個部分可以嗎謝謝委員謝謝你好那另外呢歐盟以一般資料保護規則GDPR為例他不只規範企業也規範政府台灣個資法的主管機關原本是國發會為了因應GDPR所以成立了個人資料保護委員會的籌備處如果按照相同的道理我們是否也應該設立一個人工智慧治理保護委員會的方向思考\n我們會來研議一下委員的這個意見相當有深度好 這也是一個建議啦但是我想都是有脈絡的所以我們才會做這樣子的一個探討那 諸位您應該有聽過數位落差\n有聽過當然AI也會面臨相對應的一個問題我們的孩子是否擁有或者是會使用AI我覺得這會是未來一個新的課題也會成為新的不平等所以以後也會有一個AI落差以後可能會有會AI跟不會AI的兩個群體的差距要怎麼改善這之間的一個差距未來有沒有什麼想法\n未來我們會跟教育部來合作希望能夠從教育端包含從大中小學能夠盡量把AI這種比較屬於科普的這種課程能夠拿到教育那對於這個民眾我們在產業推廣的時候我們會進行各行各業的這個產業推廣希望能夠減少這個數位落差\nAI的落差以及高職以及國中他們能不能重視AI這是我未來非常關注重要的一個課題我要先跟你講喔那我先請問一下次長喔次長那個部長上任的時候有規劃說要設立AI生態園區目前規劃為何?\n跟委員報告首先當然AI生態園區這個概念當然還是在提出階段我們在跟國發會有沒有考慮在台中設立我們部長強調主要是生態而不是園區因為對於這個AI產業來講大多數的產業都是在線上進行的所以它需要的是資料、算力跟演算法\n我們會優先從這方面來投資而不是投資土地或廠房所以就我們的觀點來看的話我們會對全台灣跟AI有相關的產業都盡量把它串聯起來好 那我還是要說台中有土地水南園區以及它有一個創研用地\n交通方便、位置適中、居住人口也年輕相關產業人才皆有也希望你能夠考量為使AI的一個應用發展可信任度、安全且可靠所以規劃必須通過數位部的一個AI評測業者才能販售或使用AI系統請問國內制度是否有參考國際相關的規範目前規劃的評測類型項目又是哪些\n跟委員報告第一個就是說我們現在評測當然不是一個強制性的是一個鼓勵性質的第二個就是說我們所參考的標準包括歐盟的以及美國NIST就是這個美國資源院的我們希望你們能夠參考國外的相關案例我們會跟國際的標準接軌好不好最後我想這個數位部在今天的報告有提到在高中值開設AI課程請問辦理的狀況為何整體開設的比例有多高\n目前這些課程我想這個偏鄉還有高中值的開設狀況這都是我們所關注的那與哪些企業及培訓單位合作我們也很想知道是不是會以後能夠提供相關的資料給我們\n我們更希望能夠讓所有的孩子都有機會能夠參與到加強宣傳所以資料給我我也來幫忙宣傳嘛好不好我們一起為教育努力謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.009 --> 00:00.389\n有請主席：邀請吳主委：數位部的葉長次有請主委跟葉次長\n\n00:23.854 --> 00:44.286\n委員好主委好主委不好意思我還是要提到一下前主委齁那個人工智慧基本法預計在今年年底推出那這是他說的齁那這個上個月主委您更是直接承諾要力拼今年10月底送進行政院請問目前草案研擬的進度有沒有方向有哪些方向什麼時候進行預告\n\n00:46.124 --> 01:04.577\n我們這個月就在進行各界的溝通我們會開三場的諮詢會議包含跟產業界跟政府的各單位還有法輪學術界要做溝通10月要送進行政院8月可以預告吧8月可以預告\n\n01:05.523 --> 01:27.580\n社會大眾不只是關注這個人工智慧基本法是因為今年3月13日歐盟已經通過了人工智慧法案我想這個等於未來要跟歐盟做生意AI的相關產業都需要遵守相關的規定否則無法進入市場本期就想先請問一下主委是否瞭解AI相關產業的產值有多少會輸出到歐盟的佑戰多少\n\n01:28.881 --> 01:54.678\nAI相關產業的產值是很難估計啦因為各種不同的應用你要把它的產值都加進來它其實相當的高那輸出到歐盟的占比呢你是講委員是講這個光是講硬體的部分還是因為台灣的輸出主要台灣的輸出主要是以硬體為主啦對到歐盟的有多少大概但是硬體其實我們直接供應的還是以美國的廠商為主美國廠商為主\n\n01:55.919 --> 02:19.952\n以廠商為主,所以這一部分直接到歐盟的數量是比較少的但是確實的數字可能經濟部才會比較清楚沒關係沒關係我現在想要跟你探討的是另外一個層面本席因為會這樣子問的原因是國際上針對AI治理本來就有兩種做法那一種是歐盟這種嚴格治理的模式提出監管的一個立法法案另外一種是美國、日本、英國\n\n02:23.975 --> 02:38.666\n提供相關的指導原則與技術標準吳前主委有表示台灣不會走歐盟的路線而是朝日本、美國、英國的鼓勵創新的模式來做規劃但上個月有委員問您的立場您的回答是\n\n02:39.787 --> 02:41.229\n委員會主任委員會主席\n\n03:00.912 --> 03:12.345\n主張走中間路線控制的剛剛好那這樣子的算是控制的剛剛好的話那是不是一半符合歐盟一半不符合歐盟您可以給本席回答一下嗎\n\n03:13.186 --> 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這也是一個建議啦但是我想都是有脈絡的所以我們才會做這樣子的一個探討那 諸位您應該有聽過數位落差"},{"start":411.914,"end":434.543,"text":"有聽過當然AI也會面臨相對應的一個問題我們的孩子是否擁有或者是會使用AI我覺得這會是未來一個新的課題也會成為新的不平等所以以後也會有一個AI落差以後可能會有會AI跟不會AI的兩個群體的差距要怎麼改善這之間的一個差距未來有沒有什麼想法"},{"start":435.222,"end":456.993,"text":"未來我們會跟教育部來合作希望能夠從教育端包含從大中小學能夠盡量把AI這種比較屬於科普的這種課程能夠拿到教育那對於這個民眾我們在產業推廣的時候我們會進行各行各業的這個產業推廣希望能夠減少這個數位落差"},{"start":460.697,"end":476.354,"text":"AI的落差以及高職以及國中他們能不能重視AI這是我未來非常關注重要的一個課題我要先跟你講喔那我先請問一下次長喔次長那個部長上任的時候有規劃說要設立AI生態園區目前規劃為何?"},{"start":477.825,"end":497.345,"text":"跟委員報告首先當然AI生態園區這個概念當然還是在提出階段我們在跟國發會有沒有考慮在台中設立我們部長強調主要是生態而不是園區因為對於這個AI產業來講大多數的產業都是在線上進行的所以它需要的是資料、算力跟演算法"},{"start":498.166,"end":513.845,"text":"我們會優先從這方面來投資而不是投資土地或廠房所以就我們的觀點來看的話我們會對全台灣跟AI有相關的產業都盡量把它串聯起來好 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