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00:01:20,042\n錢防制法第五條及第五條之一條文修正草案案案案案案案案案案案案案\n\n5\n00:01:42,472 --> 00:02:10,875\n券4899124899件他已經到6位數了所以一年間增加了5.8%一年間就增加了36940件所以這個趨勢是快幅的往上走在這個2020開始而詐欺罪的平均年增率也是所有的刑事案件裡頭最高的高達18.6%所以你要不要分析一下這個趨勢\n\n6\n00:02:12,857 --> 00:02:37,800\n的確是炸器的因為炸團的一個炸器手法不斷的一個翻新而且就結合新的一個科技的一個發展所以變成說他他的一個一個一個才會有所以一個是新興工具的運用嗎所以我們要也要跟進我們的新興的打炸的工具第二個其實是讓他們直接食髓知味嗎覺得有利可圖嗎\n\n7\n00:02:39,241 --> 00:03:00,616\n所以他們才會快速的讓很多人加入詐欺犯的這個犯行好下一頁那麼來看看哦詐欺罪案件逐年攀升之外呢在細部分析電信詐欺是所有的佔比居冠的這五年來詐欺罪總共癥結了50萬7859人當中63%就是電信詐欺恐嚇案\n\n8\n00:03:09,417 --> 00:03:33,602\n那電信詐欺恐嚇案當中呢以單純提供人頭賬戶有占將近六成19萬人最多這是最輕的一種他就是可能被拐被騙可能覺得這個貪圖小利也很好賺所以是六成是單純提供人頭賬戶的這一類那另外一類叫做車手啊單純作為車手五年間呢\n\n9\n00:03:37,887 --> 00:03:40,229\n錢防制法第五條及第五條之一條文修正草案案案。\n\n10\n00:03:59,764 --> 00:04:16,967\n所以26、7歲的人大家都去做車手就好賺就有利可圖所以從我這個分析你又告訴我們我們要該怎麼來檢視我們的作為以電信詐欺恐嚇罪然後提供人頭賬戶的最多然後做車手的人也很多然後都是年輕人\n\n11\n00:04:18,972 --> 00:04:45,930\n這部分我們在法制上我們要跟著上腳步尤其說我們的偵查的方法要以既然用科技的方法來詐騙來詐欺那我們就要與時俱進所以我們的GPS的系統M化測器這個是最起碼的一個授權好這也是我的解讀我們要能夠診斷出狀況才能夠找出解方下一頁那我再來分析喔詐欺罪的這個起訴的比例\n\n12\n00:04:47,607 --> 00:05:09,692\n這幾年來五年來呢起訴的比例是百分之二十一點九不起訴的比例是百分之四十五而電信詐欺類起訴比例是百分之二十八當中最高的就是車手這一類百分之五十九那你要不要再分析一下這樣的數字用在我們的相關修法給我們什麼樣子的一個示警跟參考\n\n13\n00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:31,374\n所以以車手的話因為我們這個起訴率最高因為車手就第一個跟那個被害人接觸的去拿到錢的就是車手那所以這部分我們可以用那個我們科技偵法這部分草案第二條第二條就是可以用GPS追蹤那個車手的一個軌跡然後順勢上可以往他的上手去追查\n\n14\n00:05:32,136 --> 00:05:50,184\n所以現在在沒有一個科證法之前也沒有通保法的配套之前確實不起訴率是高達四成五用工具使用的少嗎即便有些人你確認他就是犯嫌可是你沒有東西去證明他有罪嗎好所以我們都同意這個立法的必要下一頁\n\n15\n00:05:51,264 --> 00:06:17,109\n進入條文前我要提醒我手上的這一份資料我覺得太重要了可是統計的資料只到2021年你們最新的update的數據應當持續再作報而且我認為都應在這個打詐司法修法前應當有最新的數據可以讓我們作為最強化參考的依據我們目前已經統計到今年的四月了那還沒上網\n\n16\n00:06:20,117 --> 00:06:23,021\n錢防制法第五條及第五條之一條文修正草案案案\n\n17\n00:06:37,298 --> 00:06:38,519\n錢防制法第五條及第五條之一條文修正草案案案。\n\n18\n00:06:54,508 --> 00:06:58,130\n錢防制法及保障法草案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案\n\n19\n00:07:23,878 --> 00:07:28,915\n這部分是在技術上會比較那或者我們跟內政部一起來處理嘛對不對\n\n20\n00:07:30,660 --> 00:07:56,423\n我認為這是大有必要的好嗎我們再來研議說如何來擴大整個詐欺罪的統計分析當然除了犯刑者加害者對被害人的被害原因各類我真的認為我們應當有這樣的data跟分析才能夠交相運用因為這對於我們如何去協助指導人民抗詐太重要了你要歸結出哪些抗詐的方法ABC\n\n21\n00:07:57,644 --> 00:08:00,808\n錢防制法第五條及第五條之一條文修正草案案案例的分析再細分然後納入被害人的受害分析給你們三個月的時間跨部會去處理好嗎\n\n22\n00:08:12,466 --> 00:08:29,743\n好謝謝下一頁好進入我們的條文打詐司法下一頁我們卓院長說了讓想騙的不敢騙已經騙的會被抓騙到手的沒得花其實今天的科證法聚焦的應當是哪一個階段\n\n23\n00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,061\n錢防制法第五條及第五條之一條文修正草案案案案案案案\n\n24\n00:08:52,546 --> 00:09:09,223\n然後再搭配這個熱血象儀來測溫救人我基本上都同意但是呢他的申請程序通知程序救濟程序以及形式執行準用都要更嚴謹就在我們的法案裡頭下頁\n\n25\n00:09:10,871 --> 00:09:26,827\n那我也看到我們從第二條第三條第四條都有相關的對於程序保障對於人權保護也都盡可能去做了防護當然有賽業黨委員認為是不是還會造成人權強害我們在逐條的時候可以來進一步的商議喔下一頁\n\n26\n00:09:28,464 --> 00:09:45,224\n所以說這個最高法院110年度的有一個4549號的判決見解啦我想部長應該知道這個這個判決嗎也正是因為M化車欠缺了法律授權的基礎違反了法律保留的原則這讓我們更清楚看到我們需要科證法\n\n27\n00:09:45,865 --> 00:10:03,290\n我們需要一個具體的法制作業來同時兼顧憲法22條保障隱私權跟資訊自主權的範圍內但是又賦予我們行政權限辦案應當有的一個授權最好的方法就是立法來授權嘛好最後\n\n28\n00:10:04,747 --> 00:10:06,408\n錢防制法及保障法草案案案案案案案案案案案\n\n29\n00:10:30,390 --> 00:10:37,646\n科技偵查的這些的手段這些的能夠得到法律的授權我想對打戰應該很有注意的\n\n30\n00:10:39,460 --> 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124899件他已經到6位數了所以一年間增加了5.8%一年間就增加了36940件所以這個趨勢是快幅的往上走在這個2020開始而詐欺罪的平均年增率也是所有的刑事案件裡頭最高的高達18.6%所以你要不要分析一下這個趨勢\n132857\t157800\t的確是炸器的因為炸團的一個炸器手法不斷的一個翻新而且就結合新的一個科技的一個發展所以變成說他他的一個一個一個才會有所以一個是新興工具的運用嗎所以我們要也要跟進我們的新興的打炸的工具第二個其實是讓他們直接食髓知味嗎覺得有利可圖嗎\n159241\t180616\t所以他們才會快速的讓很多人加入詐欺犯的這個犯行好下一頁那麼來看看哦詐欺罪案件逐年攀升之外呢在細部分析電信詐欺是所有的佔比居冠的這五年來詐欺罪總共癥結了50萬7859人當中63%就是電信詐欺恐嚇案\n189417\t213602\t那電信詐欺恐嚇案當中呢以單純提供人頭賬戶有占將近六成19萬人最多這是最輕的一種他就是可能被拐被騙可能覺得這個貪圖小利也很好賺所以是六成是單純提供人頭賬戶的這一類那另外一類叫做車手啊單純作為車手五年間呢\n217887\t220229\t錢防制法第五條及第五條之一條文修正草案案 案 。\n239764\t256967\t所以26、7歲的人大家都去做車手就好賺就有利可圖所以從我這個分析你又告訴我們我們要該怎麼來檢視我們的作為以電信詐欺恐嚇罪然後提供人頭賬戶的最多然後做車手的人也很多然後都是年輕人\n258972\t285930\t這部分我們在法制上我們要跟著上腳步尤其說我們的偵查的方法要以既然用科技的方法來詐騙來詐欺那我們就要與時俱進所以我們的GPS的系統M化測器這個是最起碼的一個授權好這也是我的解讀我們要能夠診斷出狀況才能夠找出解方下一頁那我再來分析喔詐欺罪的這個起訴的比例\n287607\t309692\t這幾年來五年來呢起訴的比例是百分之二十一點九不起訴的比例是百分之四十五而電信詐欺類起訴比例是百分之二十八當中最高的就是車手這一類百分之五十九那你要不要再分析一下這樣的數字用在我們的相關修法給我們什麼樣子的一個示警跟參考\n310839\t331374\t所以以車手的話因為我們這個起訴率最高因為車手就第一個跟那個被害人接觸的去拿到錢的就是車手那所以這部分我們可以用那個我們科技偵法這部分草案第二條第二條就是可以用GPS追蹤那個車手的一個軌跡然後順勢上可以往他的上手去追查\n332136\t350184\t所以現在在沒有一個科證法之前也沒有通保法的配套之前確實不起訴率是高達四成五用工具使用的少嗎即便有些人你確認他就是犯嫌可是你沒有東西去證明他有罪嗎好所以我們都同意這個立法的必要下一頁\n351264\t377109\t進入條文前我要提醒我手上的這一份資料我覺得太重要了可是統計的資料只到2021年你們最新的update的數據應當持續再作報而且我認為都應在這個打詐司法修法前應當有最新的數據可以讓我們作為最強化參考的依據我們目前已經統計到今年的四月了那還沒上網\n380117\t383021\t錢防制法第五條及第五條之一條文修正草案案 案\n397298\t398519\t錢防制法第五條及第五條之一條文修正草案案 案。\n414508\t418130\t錢防制法及保障法草案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案\n443878\t448915\t這部分是在技術上會比較那或者我們跟內政部一起來處理嘛對不對\n450660\t476423\t我認為這是大有必要的好嗎我們再來研議說如何來擴大整個詐欺罪的統計分析當然除了犯刑者加害者對被害人的被害原因各類我真的認為我們應當有這樣的data跟分析才能夠交相運用因為這對於我們如何去協助指導人民抗詐太重要了你要歸結出哪些抗詐的方法ABC\n477644\t480808\t錢防制法第五條及第五條之一條文修正草案案 案例的分析再細分然後納入被害人的受害分析給你們三個月的時間跨部會去處理好嗎\n492466\t509743\t好謝謝下一頁好進入我們的條文打詐司法下一頁我們卓院長說了讓想騙的不敢騙已經騙的會被抓騙到手的沒得花其實今天的科證法聚焦的應當是哪一個階段\n512000\t514061\t錢防制法第五條及第五條之一條文修正草案 案 案 案 案 案 案\n532546\t549223\t然後再搭配這個熱血象儀來測溫救人我基本上都同意但是呢他的申請程序通知程序救濟程序以及形式執行準用都要更嚴謹就在我們的法案裡頭下頁\n550871\t566827\t那我也看到我們從第二條第三條第四條都有相關的對於程序保障對於人權保護也都盡可能去做了防護當然有賽業黨委員認為是不是還會造成人權強害我們在逐條的時候可以來進一步的商議喔下一頁\n568464\t585224\t所以說這個最高法院110年度的有一個4549號的判決見解啦我想部長應該知道這個這個判決嗎也正是因為M化車欠缺了法律授權的基礎違反了法律保留的原則這讓我們更清楚看到我們需要科證法\n585865\t603290\t我們需要一個具體的法制作業來同時兼顧憲法22條保障隱私權跟資訊自主權的範圍內但是又賦予我們行政權限辦案應當有的一個授權最好的方法就是立法來授權嘛好最後\n604747\t606408\t錢防制法及保障法草案 案 案 案 案 案 案 案 案 案 案\n630390\t637646\t科技偵查的這些的手段這些的能夠得到法律的授權我想對打戰應該很有注意的\n639460\t665550\t讓實質破獲所掌握的證據他具有法律賦予的證據能力可以協助他在後續的審判上定罪他而且我更認為可以讓我們執法同仁他的士氣可以受到提振否則我查了一堆案辦了一些人然後最後到法官那裡覺得沒有辦法起訴沒有辦法定罪就對大家來講是一個很大的打擊尤其這些人未來都會再回去再做同樣的\n666710\t668673\t錢防制法第五條及第五條之一條文修正草案 案。\n","txt":"打炸司法一定要加速立法我們都希望在這個會期能夠來完成讓科技的打法打讓科技的打炸能夠執法有據同時來確保保障國人抗炸的能力也要再提升啊下一頁\n那我一直認為我們要進入修法之前其實我們要對於目前的詐欺罪的案件各案類來進行分析才能夠有效診斷出最有效的利器是什麼\n那我手上呢我花了一些時間去分析喔我手上拿的是2016到2020、2021所整理的詐欺罪案件統計分析部長您知道這個資料嗎這個是我們法務部來統整的那我們就就教於您喔我在分析這整份資料裡頭看到詐欺罪的案件逐年攀升而且已經躍居各類刑案之冠\n錢防制法第五條及第五條之一條文修正草案 案 案 案 案 案 案 案 案 案 案 案 案\n券4899 124899件他已經到6位數了所以一年間增加了5.8%一年間就增加了36940件所以這個趨勢是快幅的往上走在這個2020開始而詐欺罪的平均年增率也是所有的刑事案件裡頭最高的高達18.6%所以你要不要分析一下這個趨勢\n的確是炸器的因為炸團的一個炸器手法不斷的一個翻新而且就結合新的一個科技的一個發展所以變成說他他的一個一個一個才會有所以一個是新興工具的運用嗎所以我們要也要跟進我們的新興的打炸的工具第二個其實是讓他們直接食髓知味嗎覺得有利可圖嗎\n所以他們才會快速的讓很多人加入詐欺犯的這個犯行好下一頁那麼來看看哦詐欺罪案件逐年攀升之外呢在細部分析電信詐欺是所有的佔比居冠的這五年來詐欺罪總共癥結了50萬7859人當中63%就是電信詐欺恐嚇案\n那電信詐欺恐嚇案當中呢以單純提供人頭賬戶有占將近六成19萬人最多這是最輕的一種他就是可能被拐被騙可能覺得這個貪圖小利也很好賺所以是六成是單純提供人頭賬戶的這一類那另外一類叫做車手啊單純作為車手五年間呢\n錢防制法第五條及第五條之一條文修正草案案 案 。\n所以26、7歲的人大家都去做車手就好賺就有利可圖所以從我這個分析你又告訴我們我們要該怎麼來檢視我們的作為以電信詐欺恐嚇罪然後提供人頭賬戶的最多然後做車手的人也很多然後都是年輕人\n這部分我們在法制上我們要跟著上腳步尤其說我們的偵查的方法要以既然用科技的方法來詐騙來詐欺那我們就要與時俱進所以我們的GPS的系統M化測器這個是最起碼的一個授權好這也是我的解讀我們要能夠診斷出狀況才能夠找出解方下一頁那我再來分析喔詐欺罪的這個起訴的比例\n這幾年來五年來呢起訴的比例是百分之二十一點九不起訴的比例是百分之四十五而電信詐欺類起訴比例是百分之二十八當中最高的就是車手這一類百分之五十九那你要不要再分析一下這樣的數字用在我們的相關修法給我們什麼樣子的一個示警跟參考\n所以以車手的話因為我們這個起訴率最高因為車手就第一個跟那個被害人接觸的去拿到錢的就是車手那所以這部分我們可以用那個我們科技偵法這部分草案第二條第二條就是可以用GPS追蹤那個車手的一個軌跡然後順勢上可以往他的上手去追查\n所以現在在沒有一個科證法之前也沒有通保法的配套之前確實不起訴率是高達四成五用工具使用的少嗎即便有些人你確認他就是犯嫌可是你沒有東西去證明他有罪嗎好所以我們都同意這個立法的必要下一頁\n進入條文前我要提醒我手上的這一份資料我覺得太重要了可是統計的資料只到2021年你們最新的update的數據應當持續再作報而且我認為都應在這個打詐司法修法前應當有最新的數據可以讓我們作為最強化參考的依據我們目前已經統計到今年的四月了那還沒上網\n錢防制法第五條及第五條之一條文修正草案案 案\n錢防制法第五條及第五條之一條文修正草案案 案。\n錢防制法及保障法草案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案\n這部分是在技術上會比較那或者我們跟內政部一起來處理嘛對不對\n我認為這是大有必要的好嗎我們再來研議說如何來擴大整個詐欺罪的統計分析當然除了犯刑者加害者對被害人的被害原因各類我真的認為我們應當有這樣的data跟分析才能夠交相運用因為這對於我們如何去協助指導人民抗詐太重要了你要歸結出哪些抗詐的方法ABC\n錢防制法第五條及第五條之一條文修正草案案 案例的分析再細分然後納入被害人的受害分析給你們三個月的時間跨部會去處理好嗎\n好謝謝下一頁好進入我們的條文打詐司法下一頁我們卓院長說了讓想騙的不敢騙已經騙的會被抓騙到手的沒得花其實今天的科證法聚焦的應當是哪一個階段\n錢防制法第五條及第五條之一條文修正草案 案 案 案 案 案 案\n然後再搭配這個熱血象儀來測溫救人我基本上都同意但是呢他的申請程序通知程序救濟程序以及形式執行準用都要更嚴謹就在我們的法案裡頭下頁\n那我也看到我們從第二條第三條第四條都有相關的對於程序保障對於人權保護也都盡可能去做了防護當然有賽業黨委員認為是不是還會造成人權強害我們在逐條的時候可以來進一步的商議喔下一頁\n所以說這個最高法院110年度的有一個4549號的判決見解啦我想部長應該知道這個這個判決嗎也正是因為M化車欠缺了法律授權的基礎違反了法律保留的原則這讓我們更清楚看到我們需要科證法\n我們需要一個具體的法制作業來同時兼顧憲法22條保障隱私權跟資訊自主權的範圍內但是又賦予我們行政權限辦案應當有的一個授權最好的方法就是立法來授權嘛好最後\n錢防制法及保障法草案 案 案 案 案 案 案 案 案 案 案\n科技偵查的這些的手段這些的能夠得到法律的授權我想對打戰應該很有注意的\n讓實質破獲所掌握的證據他具有法律賦予的證據能力可以協助他在後續的審判上定罪他而且我更認為可以讓我們執法同仁他的士氣可以受到提振否則我查了一堆案辦了一些人然後最後到法官那裡覺得沒有辦法起訴沒有辦法定罪就對大家來講是一個很大的打擊尤其這些人未來都會再回去再做同樣的\n錢防制法第五條及第五條之一條文修正草案 案。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:15.198 --> 00:31.325\n打炸司法一定要加速立法我們都希望在這個會期能夠來完成讓科技的打法打讓科技的打炸能夠執法有據同時來確保保障國人抗炸的能力也要再提升啊下一頁\n\n00:32.265 --> 00:46.740\n那我一直認為我們要進入修法之前其實我們要對於目前的詐欺罪的案件各案類來進行分析才能夠有效診斷出最有效的利器是什麼\n\n00:47.521 --> 01:15.339\n那我手上呢我花了一些時間去分析喔我手上拿的是2016到2020、2021所整理的詐欺罪案件統計分析部長您知道這個資料嗎這個是我們法務部來統整的那我們就就教於您喔我在分析這整份資料裡頭看到詐欺罪的案件逐年攀升而且已經躍居各類刑案之冠\n\n01:16.380 --> 01:20.042\n錢防制法第五條及第五條之一條文修正草案案案案案案案案案案案案案\n\n01:42.472 --> 02:10.875\n券4899124899件他已經到6位數了所以一年間增加了5.8%一年間就增加了36940件所以這個趨勢是快幅的往上走在這個2020開始而詐欺罪的平均年增率也是所有的刑事案件裡頭最高的高達18.6%所以你要不要分析一下這個趨勢\n\n02:12.857 --> 02:37.800\n的確是炸器的因為炸團的一個炸器手法不斷的一個翻新而且就結合新的一個科技的一個發展所以變成說他他的一個一個一個才會有所以一個是新興工具的運用嗎所以我們要也要跟進我們的新興的打炸的工具第二個其實是讓他們直接食髓知味嗎覺得有利可圖嗎\n\n02:39.241 --> 03:00.616\n所以他們才會快速的讓很多人加入詐欺犯的這個犯行好下一頁那麼來看看哦詐欺罪案件逐年攀升之外呢在細部分析電信詐欺是所有的佔比居冠的這五年來詐欺罪總共癥結了50萬7859人當中63%就是電信詐欺恐嚇案\n\n03:09.417 --> 03:33.602\n那電信詐欺恐嚇案當中呢以單純提供人頭賬戶有占將近六成19萬人最多這是最輕的一種他就是可能被拐被騙可能覺得這個貪圖小利也很好賺所以是六成是單純提供人頭賬戶的這一類那另外一類叫做車手啊單純作為車手五年間呢\n\n03:37.887 --> 03:40.229\n錢防制法第五條及第五條之一條文修正草案案案。\n\n03:59.764 --> 04:16.967\n所以26、7歲的人大家都去做車手就好賺就有利可圖所以從我這個分析你又告訴我們我們要該怎麼來檢視我們的作為以電信詐欺恐嚇罪然後提供人頭賬戶的最多然後做車手的人也很多然後都是年輕人\n\n04:18.972 --> 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