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00:54.788\n二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、一、二、三、四、五、六、七、一、二、三、四、五、六、七、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、\n\n01:09.637 --> 01:14.402\n負責負責負責負責負責負責負責負責負責負責負責負責負責負責負責負責負責負責負責負責負責負責負責負責負責負責負責負責負責負責負責負責負責負責負責負責負責負責負責負責負責負責負責負責負責負責負責負責負責負責負責負責負責負責負責負責\n\n01:28.237 --> 01:36.209\n二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、一、二、三、四、五、六、七、八、九、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、\n\n01:43.280 --> 01:43.680\n綜藝協議委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會\n\n02:03.709 --> 02:17.134\n審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件事宜、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件事宜、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件事宜、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件事宜、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件事宜、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件事宜、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件事宜、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件事宜、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件事宜、\n\n02:21.275 --> 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