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00:00:48,395\n部長早安,這個今天要請教一樣針對這個詐欺罪犯危害防制條例今天討論其中一個條文的一個問題啦當然也是大家很關心的問題也就是說目前詐騙集團大部分都是買那種國外的SIM卡嘛對不對或黑莓卡對不對那不一定要做實名制登記嘛然後常常拿這個卡進來用漫遊的這個機制來做詐騙嘛對不對這是一個重點打擊那看到法條裡面有寫啊針對所謂的高風險國外電信事業要做列管這樣一個工作\n\n3\n00:00:48,775 --> 00:00:52,366\n那我現在第一個問題是如何來認定這個事業是高風險的電信事業?委員報告\n\n4\n00:00:57,318 --> 00:01:19,165\n目前的話在國際漫遊卡這個部分的話因為它是一個國際漫遊商務企業所以在運作上面其實在我們國內的話就好像我們去國外一樣其實我們買國外的漫遊卡的部分大概它是D4它是開的啦所以您的那個意見我知道就是說就高豐富有部分的話目前的話原則上我們已經跟200多個國家大概都有簽署\n\n5\n00:01:19,885 --> 00:01:29,173\n兩百多個業者大概都有簽署這樣的國際漫遊協議。來到我們國內有這個漫遊協議的我們都會自動提供。現在就自動開放了。那在高風險這一塊。什麼是高風險?近期我們有發現少部分的地區所提供的漫遊服務跟他們國內的預付卡服務跟他們國內的實名制的機制不一樣。而且那個\n\n6\n00:01:48,137 --> 00:02:05,830\n就是管理比較相對鬆散,然後你不太好溯源嘛,對不對?就叫高風險,對不對?那這樣子的業者有沒有,大概占全部業者的比例大概是多少?有沒有算過嗎?因為大部分的國家其實不一定都有實名制,但是拿來做犯罪的其實在我們165這邊的統計上面啦,因為它會慢慢的會增加,那根據民眾的報案以及165這邊所給我們的這些情資啊,那將來的話,因為在台灣裡面有授權,\n\n7\n00:02:14,036 --> 00:02:24,661\n二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、\n\n8\n00:02:42,469 --> 00:02:49,991\n既然是這樣,也就是說影響範圍如果不大的話,那我就認為法條的這個標準跟管控有加嚴的必要。將來這一塊的話,我們會把我們的標準也會跟內政部這邊討論過後,我們會公告。讓我們的業者也可以跟國外的業者,就是說你們要發行預備卡的時候,麻煩你們要做好這些實驗。你先聽我把問題講完嘛,好不好。\n\n9\n00:03:04,616 --> 00:03:31,188\n這個現在我們的草案針對所謂的外國高風險電信事業提供的漫遊服務嘛就要現在要加入所謂的入境檢查嘛也就是說你要有入境紀錄我才能認可是你這個人要使用這個漫遊而不是拿來做詐騙之用嘛對不對那你們現在法條裡面寫的管控機制叫輸入護照號碼我現在接下來問的問題是只寫護照號碼會不會有依然被冒充的問題因為既然這一群人是職業的犯罪集團你只用護照號碼做管控我認為是不夠的\n\n10\n00:03:32,369 --> 00:03:32,549\n陳亭妃等16人擬具\n\n11\n00:03:49,211 --> 00:04:08,022\n懲罪犯罪這些電信服務啊他其實是用量啊用量來掩蓋他的這個犯行啊所以我們現在所處理的其實就是盡量的把他的這個量啊減少我不否認說冒名這件事情很難哦完全杜絕但是呢用冒名來作為犯罪的這種這種方式我們盡量把它減少掉\n\n12\n00:04:08,322 --> 00:04:23,463\n我現在擔心的就是說因為他比如說我剛剛講的身份證製造產生器他搞不好這種大量生成的方式反而造成你執法的困擾所以既然高風險的電信事業的數量就不要討論我高風險的電信事業如果數量不多對不對你乾脆就做零貴查核\n\n13\n00:04:24,204 --> 00:04:46,653\n我的主張是你乾脆就做林桂茶盒,對不對?因為既然只有這一家的特殊的麥芽卡,你要講,那你就請這一家來跟國內借街的電信事業來做實名制茶盒。你這樣就絕對可以把量降下來,我這樣的說法你同意嗎?呃,在實務上不太容易執行,原因是因為它不是只有一門兩門,它是要非常多的數量,而且拿來做犯罪的不是大多數人,是極少數人。\n\n14\n00:04:47,293 --> 00:05:05,122\n所以我們用極少數人的犯罪行為來造成國外旅客以及台胞的不方便。所以我剛剛第一個問題問你就是說被列為高風險電競事業是多數還少數嗎?你現在講就只有一家或兩家對不對?表示國外的旅客你做合理的揭示就好了嘛\n\n15\n00:05:05,282 --> 00:05:26,606\n也就是說來台灣的旅客應該要使用有實名制系統的漫遊服務就不會受到影響你這樣是不是把旅客的影響降到最低可是相對來講你想要鑽漏洞的人你是不是門關得比較緊我覺得應該在兩之間去做平衡啦如果說假設我用我的方法能夠有效的來防堵的話我不需要用造成大家都不方便的方法來做防堵\n\n16\n00:05:27,066 --> 00:05:52,906\n沒關係這在法條討論的時候我們會再請你好好說明因為針對第一個這個比例到底是多少會影響到多少人如果這個比例是低的影響的人不多那你管控的標準就高嘛你就讓他實名制辦理會好過你用單純護照號碼去處理因為護照號碼他搞不好用別的技術就破解掉了這個我們在技術上再跟委員報告好不好到底哪一個方法會給大家當然也是法條上來做一下討論好這第一個問題好這個謝謝NCC那再請一下警政署署長再一分鐘就好\n\n17\n00:05:56,988 --> 00:05:57,108\n副委員長\n\n18\n00:06:16,516 --> 00:06:37,758\n那我現在很擔心的是刑事警察我最近跟一些基層的刑事警察好朋友去做了座談他們講說這個去年天下雜誌也刊登過一篇報導寫說第一線刑警的心聲是現在每天泡在垃圾詐騙案麻痺到只想結案那當然這就是我們要修訂打詐釋法的初衷這我同意的但是我希望在修訂法院初衷的時候我也要求內政部要求警政署\n\n19\n00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:59,597\n針對辛苦的刑警我們該給予適合的溫暖現在全台的刑警缺額有300位其中我們認為問題出在續獎制度的不合理什麼叫續獎制度的不合理呢刑警只有辦刑案才能夠激功加獎比如說秘密刑警經10個月埋伏、破獲雲林製毒工廠瓦解毒品供應網\n\n20\n00:07:00,157 --> 00:07:00,497\n審查委員陳亭妃\n\n21\n00:07:20,794 --> 00:07:34,430\n審判刑事案件的刑警多一些溫暖,鼓勵這些基層在打擊詐騙的這一群警察,給他們多一點溫暖,可以嗎?可以。我們會回去做這個...續講制度的檢討,大概多少時間之內可以提出一個方案?上個月好不好?\n\n22\n00:07:37,475 --> 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做了座談他們講說這個去年天下雜誌也刊登過一篇報導寫說第一線刑警的心聲是現在每天泡在垃圾詐騙案麻痺到只想結案那當然這就是我們要修訂打詐釋法的初衷這我同意的但是我希望在修訂法院初衷的時候我也要求內政部要求警政署\n針對辛苦的刑警我們該給予適合的溫暖現在全台的刑警缺額有300位其中我們認為問題出在續獎制度的不合理什麼叫續獎制度的不合理呢刑警只有辦刑案才能夠激功加獎比如說秘密刑警經10個月埋伏、破獲雲林製毒工廠瓦解毒品供應網\n審查委員陳亭妃\n審判刑事案件的刑警多一些溫暖,鼓勵這些基層在打擊詐騙的這一群警察,給他們多一點溫暖,可以嗎?可以。我們會回去做這個...續講制度的檢討,大概多少時間之內可以提出一個方案?上個月好不好?\n三個月短,三個月會不會太久了?只是續獎制度這件事而已。還是你三個月你要給加急的話,那三個月。一個月好了,一個月。一個月,好不好。那一個月之內,針對刑警的續獎制度,提出一件改善方案,給他們一點溫暖,也改善刑警缺的問題,可以嗎?好,可以。好,謝謝。部長、組長辛苦了,謝謝。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.850 --> 00:04.054\n謝謝主席、部長跟這個通傳委員會。有請。\n\n00:20.103 --> 00:48.395\n部長早安,這個今天要請教一樣針對這個詐欺罪犯危害防制條例今天討論其中一個條文的一個問題啦當然也是大家很關心的問題也就是說目前詐騙集團大部分都是買那種國外的SIM卡嘛對不對或黑莓卡對不對那不一定要做實名制登記嘛然後常常拿這個卡進來用漫遊的這個機制來做詐騙嘛對不對這是一個重點打擊那看到法條裡面有寫啊針對所謂的高風險國外電信事業要做列管這樣一個工作\n\n00:48.775 --> 00:52.366\n那我現在第一個問題是如何來認定這個事業是高風險的電信事業?委員報告\n\n00:57.318 --> 01:19.165\n目前的話在國際漫遊卡這個部分的話因為它是一個國際漫遊商務企業所以在運作上面其實在我們國內的話就好像我們去國外一樣其實我們買國外的漫遊卡的部分大概它是D4它是開的啦所以您的那個意見我知道就是說就高豐富有部分的話目前的話原則上我們已經跟200多個國家大概都有簽署\n\n01:19.885 --> 01:29.173\n兩百多個業者大概都有簽署這樣的國際漫遊協議。來到我們國內有這個漫遊協議的我們都會自動提供。現在就自動開放了。那在高風險這一塊。什麼是高風險?近期我們有發現少部分的地區所提供的漫遊服務跟他們國內的預付卡服務跟他們國內的實名制的機制不一樣。而且那個\n\n01:48.137 --> 02:05.830\n就是管理比較相對鬆散,然後你不太好溯源嘛,對不對?就叫高風險,對不對?那這樣子的業者有沒有,大概占全部業者的比例大概是多少?有沒有算過嗎?因為大部分的國家其實不一定都有實名制,但是拿來做犯罪的其實在我們165這邊的統計上面啦,因為它會慢慢的會增加,那根據民眾的報案以及165這邊所給我們的這些情資啊,那將來的話,因為在台灣裡面有授權,\n\n02:14.036 --> 02:24.661\n二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、\n\n02:42.469 --> 02:49.991\n既然是這樣,也就是說影響範圍如果不大的話,那我就認為法條的這個標準跟管控有加嚴的必要。將來這一塊的話,我們會把我們的標準也會跟內政部這邊討論過後,我們會公告。讓我們的業者也可以跟國外的業者,就是說你們要發行預備卡的時候,麻煩你們要做好這些實驗。你先聽我把問題講完嘛,好不好。\n\n03:04.616 --> 03:31.188\n這個現在我們的草案針對所謂的外國高風險電信事業提供的漫遊服務嘛就要現在要加入所謂的入境檢查嘛也就是說你要有入境紀錄我才能認可是你這個人要使用這個漫遊而不是拿來做詐騙之用嘛對不對那你們現在法條裡面寫的管控機制叫輸入護照號碼我現在接下來問的問題是只寫護照號碼會不會有依然被冒充的問題因為既然這一群人是職業的犯罪集團你只用護照號碼做管控我認為是不夠的\n\n03:32.369 --> 03:32.549\n陳亭妃等16人擬具\n\n03:49.211 --> 04:08.022\n懲罪犯罪這些電信服務啊他其實是用量啊用量來掩蓋他的這個犯行啊所以我們現在所處理的其實就是盡量的把他的這個量啊減少我不否認說冒名這件事情很難哦完全杜絕但是呢用冒名來作為犯罪的這種這種方式我們盡量把它減少掉\n\n04:08.322 --> 04:23.463\n我現在擔心的就是說因為他比如說我剛剛講的身份證製造產生器他搞不好這種大量生成的方式反而造成你執法的困擾所以既然高風險的電信事業的數量就不要討論我高風險的電信事業如果數量不多對不對你乾脆就做零貴查核\n\n04:24.204 --> 04:46.653\n我的主張是你乾脆就做林桂茶盒,對不對?因為既然只有這一家的特殊的麥芽卡,你要講,那你就請這一家來跟國內借街的電信事業來做實名制茶盒。你這樣就絕對可以把量降下來,我這樣的說法你同意嗎?呃,在實務上不太容易執行,原因是因為它不是只有一門兩門,它是要非常多的數量,而且拿來做犯罪的不是大多數人,是極少數人。\n\n04:47.293 --> 05:05.122\n所以我們用極少數人的犯罪行為來造成國外旅客以及台胞的不方便。所以我剛剛第一個問題問你就是說被列為高風險電競事業是多數還少數嗎?你現在講就只有一家或兩家對不對?表示國外的旅客你做合理的揭示就好了嘛\n\n05:05.282 --> 05:26.606\n也就是說來台灣的旅客應該要使用有實名制系統的漫遊服務就不會受到影響你這樣是不是把旅客的影響降到最低可是相對來講你想要鑽漏洞的人你是不是門關得比較緊我覺得應該在兩之間去做平衡啦如果說假設我用我的方法能夠有效的來防堵的話我不需要用造成大家都不方便的方法來做防堵\n\n05:27.066 --> 05:52.906\n沒關係這在法條討論的時候我們會再請你好好說明因為針對第一個這個比例到底是多少會影響到多少人如果這個比例是低的影響的人不多那你管控的標準就高嘛你就讓他實名制辦理會好過你用單純護照號碼去處理因為護照號碼他搞不好用別的技術就破解掉了這個我們在技術上再跟委員報告好不好到底哪一個方法會給大家當然也是法條上來做一下討論好這第一個問題好這個謝謝NCC那再請一下警政署署長再一分鐘就好\n\n05:56.988 --> 05:57.108\n副委員長\n\n06:16.516 --> 06:37.758\n那我現在很擔心的是刑事警察我最近跟一些基層的刑事警察好朋友去做了座談他們講說這個去年天下雜誌也刊登過一篇報導寫說第一線刑警的心聲是現在每天泡在垃圾詐騙案麻痺到只想結案那當然這就是我們要修訂打詐釋法的初衷這我同意的但是我希望在修訂法院初衷的時候我也要求內政部要求警政署\n\n06:38.839 --> 06:59.597\n針對辛苦的刑警我們該給予適合的溫暖現在全台的刑警缺額有300位其中我們認為問題出在續獎制度的不合理什麼叫續獎制度的不合理呢刑警只有辦刑案才能夠激功加獎比如說秘密刑警經10個月埋伏、破獲雲林製毒工廠瓦解毒品供應網\n\n07:00.157 --> 07:00.497\n審查委員陳亭妃\n\n07:20.794 --> 07:34.430\n審判刑事案件的刑警多一些溫暖,鼓勵這些基層在打擊詐騙的這一群警察,給他們多一點溫暖,可以嗎?可以。我們會回去做這個...續講制度的檢討,大概多少時間之內可以提出一個方案?上個月好不好?\n\n07:37.475 --> 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