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00:01:19,759\n二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、\n\n6\n00:01:37,162 --> 00:01:38,283\n不僅是宣傳防詐不成還誤導民眾受騙請問我們副發部的未來如何改善這個部分還能防範就是詐騙集團冒用這兩個來去詐騙我們民眾\n\n7\n00:01:52,537 --> 00:01:52,577\n審查委員長\n\n8\n00:02:10,862 --> 00:02:36,499\n短碼來發簡訊這個基本上在我們打詐的概念上面就是一個是那個所謂白名單的概念另外一個是黑名單的概念黑名單就是我們要想辦法去遏止那些假的訊息那白名單呢就是讓一般的民眾知道說來自於什麼樣的訊息是可以相信的那我們就是希望以後所有的民眾看到說如果你收到的簡訊是111開始的那應該就是從政府來的\n\n9\n00:02:37,259 --> 00:03:04,254\n那剛才委員有提到就是說這個一的這種這種短碼的簡訊有沒有可能被偽造那在技術上來講的確是有那一種可能被偽造就是說如果詐騙業者他是私自裝設那個假的基地台的話那這個假的基地台他就真的是可以攔截這種簡訊然後把那個簡訊換掉但是這個部分呢現在目前是由通傳會的北區中區還有南區的\n\n10\n00:03:07,215 --> 00:03:07,235\n第2、3、4、5、6、7、8、9、10、11、12、13、14、15、16、17、18、19、20、21、22、23、24、25、26、27、28、29、30、31、32、33、34、35、36、37、40、40、41、42、43、44、45、45、46、46、47、49、49、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、\n\n11\n00:03:37,595 --> 00:03:59,805\n要那個詐騙集團要假冒這種一一一或這種簡訊的機會其實不是很大好謝謝我們是有一些安全的措施對我們民眾比較有保障還有說你要這個因為現在問我們才知道很多民眾才聽到但是說希望這個要多宣傳才讓更多人說不會受騙\n\n12\n00:04:00,905 --> 00:04:03,807\n審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具、「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案案案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲�\n\n13\n00:04:28,824 --> 00:04:33,166\n審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃\n\n14\n00:04:58,454 --> 00:05:18,089\n審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查\n\n15\n00:05:28,176 --> 00:05:55,134\n蘇發部的那個資安院我們這邊就有相關技術的研發第二個是加強集合加強那個檢查那第三個呢是我們希望建立一個健全的台灣在台灣建立一個健全的資安產業因為這個民間的事業的資安還有這個各自的防護基本上不是直接由政府能由政府來處理因為數量太大那我們還是希望說民間的業者能藉由民間的資安業者來協助他們\n\n16\n00:05:55,694 --> 00:06:23,612\n是是我們我們知道但是說我們我要問一下我們次長我們罰最高是多少錢是請我們署長說明跟委員報告吼那因為在蝦皮這個個案是在個資法修法之前所以我們20萬已經是舊法的時候的最高是他是2萬罰到20萬是的對那去年打造無法修正之後這個20萬就往上提升了而且還可以累次罰\n\n17\n00:06:24,232 --> 00:06:24,973\n審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具\n\n18\n00:06:53,191 --> 00:07:05,556\n好謝謝我們的署長給我一分鐘我我因為我這邊我在處理的個案所以就像這樣子剛才你有說那個專線專線你打進去說你被騙了我來處理沒有被騙了你只是雙方\n\n19\n00:07:12,459 --> 00:07:12,479\n第2、3、4、5、6、7、8、9、10、11、12、13、14、15、16、17、18、19、20、21、22、23、24、25、26、27、28、29、30、31、32、33、34、35、36、37、40、40、41、42、43、44、45、45、46、46、47、49、49、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、\n\n20\n00:07:31,206 --> 00:07:35,009\n審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n530\t10105\t謝謝主席。有請書發部。書發部。政治。來,政治。是。\n11942\t32576\t市長好,我相信詐騙的議題全國的人都在關心因為現在詐騙的電話很多的陌生的電話大家都不敢接只要沒有輸入那個名字再來我相信說台灣有用智慧手機的用戶都應該接到很多的詐騙的簡訊\n34557\t37741\t審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、\n49657\t57564\t審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案案件。 〔二〕審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件。 〔二〕審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件。\n72177\t79759\t二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、\n97162\t98283\t不僅是宣傳防詐不成還誤導民眾受騙請問我們副發部的未來如何改善這個部分還能防範就是詐騙集團冒用這兩個來去詐騙我們民眾\n112537\t112577\t審查委員長\n130862\t156499\t短碼來發簡訊這個基本上在我們打詐的概念上面就是一個是那個所謂白名單的概念另外一個是黑名單的概念黑名單就是我們要想辦法去遏止那些假的訊息那白名單呢就是讓一般的民眾知道說來自於什麼樣的訊息是可以相信的那我們就是希望以後所有的民眾看到說如果你收到的簡訊是111開始的那應該就是從政府來的\n157259\t184254\t那剛才委員有提到就是說這個一的這種這種短碼的簡訊有沒有可能被偽造那在技術上來講的確是有那一種可能被偽造就是說如果詐騙業者他是私自裝設那個假的基地台的話那這個假的基地台他就真的是可以攔截這種簡訊然後把那個簡訊換掉但是這個部分呢現在目前是由通傳會的北區中區還有南區的\n187215\t187235\t第2、3、4、5、6、7、8、9、10、11、12、13、14、15、16、17、18、19、20、21、22、23、24、25、26、27、28、29、30、31、32、33、34、35、36、37、40、40、41、42、43、44、45、45、46、46、47、49、49、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、\n217595\t239805\t要那個詐騙集團要假冒這種一一一或這種簡訊的機會其實不是很大好謝謝我們是有一些安全的措施對我們民眾比較有保障還有說你要這個因為現在問我們才知道很多民眾才聽到但是說希望這個要多宣傳才讓更多人說不會受騙\n240905\t243807\t審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具、「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案案案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲�\n268824\t273166\t審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃\n298454\t318089\t審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查\n328176\t355134\t蘇發部的那個資安院我們這邊就有相關技術的研發第二個是加強集合加強那個檢查那第三個呢是我們希望建立一個健全的台灣在台灣建立一個健全的資安產業因為這個民間的事業的資安還有這個各自的防護基本上不是直接由政府能由政府來處理因為數量太大那我們還是希望說民間的業者能藉由民間的資安業者來協助他們\n355694\t383612\t是是我們我們知道但是說我們我要問一下我們次長我們罰最高是多少錢是請我們署長說明跟委員報告吼那因為在蝦皮這個個案是在個資法修法之前所以我們20萬已經是舊法的時候的最高是他是2萬罰到20萬是的對那去年打造無法修正之後這個20萬就往上提升了而且還可以累次罰\n384232\t384973\t審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具\n413191\t425556\t好謝謝我們的署長給我一分鐘我我因為我這邊我在處理的個案所以就像這樣子剛才你有說那個專線專線你打進去說你被騙了我來處理沒有被騙了你只是雙方\n432459\t432479\t第2、3、4、5、6、7、8、9、10、11、12、13、14、15、16、17、18、19、20、21、22、23、24、25、26、27、28、29、30、31、32、33、34、35、36、37、40、40、41、42、43、44、45、45、46、46、47、49、49、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、\n451206\t455009\t審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員\n","txt":"謝謝主席。有請書發部。書發部。政治。來,政治。是。\n市長好,我相信詐騙的議題全國的人都在關心因為現在詐騙的電話很多的陌生的電話大家都不敢接只要沒有輸入那個名字再來我相信說台灣有用智慧手機的用戶都應該接到很多的詐騙的簡訊\n審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、\n審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案案件。 〔二〕審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件。 〔二〕審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件。\n二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、\n不僅是宣傳防詐不成還誤導民眾受騙請問我們副發部的未來如何改善這個部分還能防範就是詐騙集團冒用這兩個來去詐騙我們民眾\n審查委員長\n短碼來發簡訊這個基本上在我們打詐的概念上面就是一個是那個所謂白名單的概念另外一個是黑名單的概念黑名單就是我們要想辦法去遏止那些假的訊息那白名單呢就是讓一般的民眾知道說來自於什麼樣的訊息是可以相信的那我們就是希望以後所有的民眾看到說如果你收到的簡訊是111開始的那應該就是從政府來的\n那剛才委員有提到就是說這個一的這種這種短碼的簡訊有沒有可能被偽造那在技術上來講的確是有那一種可能被偽造就是說如果詐騙業者他是私自裝設那個假的基地台的話那這個假的基地台他就真的是可以攔截這種簡訊然後把那個簡訊換掉但是這個部分呢現在目前是由通傳會的北區中區還有南區的\n第2、3、4、5、6、7、8、9、10、11、12、13、14、15、16、17、18、19、20、21、22、23、24、25、26、27、28、29、30、31、32、33、34、35、36、37、40、40、41、42、43、44、45、45、46、46、47、49、49、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、\n要那個詐騙集團要假冒這種一一一或這種簡訊的機會其實不是很大好謝謝我們是有一些安全的措施對我們民眾比較有保障還有說你要這個因為現在問我們才知道很多民眾才聽到但是說希望這個要多宣傳才讓更多人說不會受騙\n審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具、「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案案案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲罰案件、懲�\n審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃\n審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查\n蘇發部的那個資安院我們這邊就有相關技術的研發第二個是加強集合加強那個檢查那第三個呢是我們希望建立一個健全的台灣在台灣建立一個健全的資安產業因為這個民間的事業的資安還有這個各自的防護基本上不是直接由政府能由政府來處理因為數量太大那我們還是希望說民間的業者能藉由民間的資安業者來協助他們\n是是我們我們知道但是說我們我要問一下我們次長我們罰最高是多少錢是請我們署長說明跟委員報告吼那因為在蝦皮這個個案是在個資法修法之前所以我們20萬已經是舊法的時候的最高是他是2萬罰到20萬是的對那去年打造無法修正之後這個20萬就往上提升了而且還可以累次罰\n審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具\n好謝謝我們的署長給我一分鐘我我因為我這邊我在處理的個案所以就像這樣子剛才你有說那個專線專線你打進去說你被騙了我來處理沒有被騙了你只是雙方\n第2、3、4、5、6、7、8、9、10、11、12、13、14、15、16、17、18、19、20、21、22、23、24、25、26、27、28、29、30、31、32、33、34、35、36、37、40、40、41、42、43、44、45、45、46、46、47、49、49、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、\n審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.530 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