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00:01:59,014\n這些基礎設施他未來當這些擴兵的警察他可能要分批去接受軍事訓練嘛,不然你還要配備重機槍嘛,還有手榴彈、四針飛彈這些東西嘛,這些東西跟我們以前,以往我們認知在警專、警大受的傷完全不一樣喔,那今天是第二陸軍的規格啊。跟委員報告,這個也是一個安全維護的一個方式而已啦,就是跟軍事訓練是不一樣的啦,這個也是一個安全維護的一個措施。\n\n6\n00:01:59,514 --> 00:02:16,222\n審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件事宜與以往我們警察署所授勳的完全不同,這點是附近的規格嗎?」審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件事宜與以往我們警察署所授勳的完全不同,這點是附近的規格嗎?」審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件事宜與以往我們警察署所授勳的完全不同,這點是附近的規格嗎?」審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐\n\n7\n00:02:28,568 --> 00:02:32,371\n檢舉獎勵制度,這部份未來會否是責任?也會責任我們基站、我們這間院會負擔?因為我們未來是不是有多專屬的人力去做這一塊?這個是不是也要來?\n\n8\n00:02:45,590 --> 00:02:50,513\n檢舉檢舉我覺得是一個很老的一個字,也就是說在要不要發生這個詐欺的進展,有人會提出檢舉檢舉檢舉\n\n9\n00:03:00,100 --> 00:03:00,741\n審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具\n\n10\n00:03:15,257 --> 00:03:36,053\n本席也是很支持但是也希望不要因為這樣造成我們基深警力的吃緊另外我們提到就是說達到專法這一塊目前我們國內執法會常常使用的封網方式是透過一個機制將DNS予以不解析使一般的網路使用者無法接取到相關的網頁這就是俗稱的封網的一個其中的方式\n\n11\n00:03:39,772 --> 00:03:54,566\n最受公允組織詬弊的緊急事件RPZ1.5號稱可以在半天之內將可疑網站封鎖,可以繞過司法公正檢核程序的高速公路,這兩年也被廣泛使用。\n\n12\n00:03:55,527 --> 00:04:14,256\n審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件事宜、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案件事宜、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案件事宜、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案件事宜、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案件事宜、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案件事宜、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案件事宜、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案件事宜、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案件事宜、詐欺犯罪\n\n13\n00:04:27,766 --> 00:04:49,297\n這個主要是在我們法案的這個草案的第42條那我們在這邊關於那個網路那個限制接取還有那個停止解析的這個部分那我們目前是要有三個條件第一個條件就是說他必須涉及詐欺犯罪就是一般人民一般的言論自由這個是我們是不會去干涉的就是\n\n14\n00:04:50,458 --> 00:05:12,575\n當涉及詐欺犯罪那第二個條件呢是他這個必須有一個即時性就是有一個緊急性就是說看起來我們不馬上處理的話會造成更大的災害那第三個條件呢他是必須經過目的事業主管機關以及司法警察機關的認定他認為說他有這個緊急處置之必要時我們才會進行這樣的工作\n\n15\n00:05:14,820 --> 00:05:39,014\n謝謝說明,問這個就是說,其實我會擔憂的是說,未來會不會因為這個42條的關係,有大量的民眾去檢舉某一個政治人物的平台,像Trader,那他會不會因為這樣的關係而下架?這個事情會提到是因為接下來未來選舉的時候,這個很容易被拿來做操作,這個是要預防的事情嘛對不對?\n\n16\n00:05:39,767 --> 00:06:01,590\n是,包委員,因為如果說有人是檢舉那個政治人物的話,因為這個不涉及詐欺的話,這個第一條件他就不成立了。他本以希望是內政部相關機關能夠多多聽聽民團的建議。那我想打詐是我們共同的目標,我們希望讓打詐專法能夠順利立法之外,我們人權的保障也不要被忽視啦。\n\n17\n00:06:02,771 --> 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審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件事宜與以往我們警察署所授勳的完全不同,這點是附近的規格嗎?」審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件事宜與以往我們警察署所授勳的完全不同,這點是附近的規格嗎?」審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐\n148568\t152371\t檢舉獎勵制度,這部份未來會否是責任?也會責任我們基站、我們這間院會負擔?因為我們未來是不是有多專屬的人力去做這一塊?這個是不是也要來?\n165590\t170513\t檢舉檢舉我覺得是一個很老的一個字,也就是說在要不要發生這個詐欺的進展,有人會提出檢舉檢舉檢舉\n180100\t180741\t審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具\n195257\t216053\t本席也是很支持但是也希望不要因為這樣造成我們基深警力的吃緊另外我們提到就是說達到專法這一塊目前我們國內執法會常常使用的封網方式是透過一個機制將DNS予以不解析使一般的網路使用者無法接取到相關的網頁這就是俗稱的封網的一個其中的方式\n219772\t234566\t最受公允組織詬弊的緊急事件RPZ1.5 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審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件事宜與以往我們警察署所授勳的完全不同,這點是附近的規格嗎?」審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件事宜與以往我們警察署所授勳的完全不同,這點是附近的規格嗎?」審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐\n檢舉獎勵制度,這部份未來會否是責任?也會責任我們基站、我們這間院會負擔?因為我們未來是不是有多專屬的人力去做這一塊?這個是不是也要來?\n檢舉檢舉我覺得是一個很老的一個字,也就是說在要不要發生這個詐欺的進展,有人會提出檢舉檢舉檢舉\n審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具\n本席也是很支持但是也希望不要因為這樣造成我們基深警力的吃緊另外我們提到就是說達到專法這一塊目前我們國內執法會常常使用的封網方式是透過一個機制將DNS予以不解析使一般的網路使用者無法接取到相關的網頁這就是俗稱的封網的一個其中的方式\n最受公允組織詬弊的緊急事件RPZ1.5 號稱可以在半天之內將可疑網站封鎖,可以繞過司法公正檢核程序的高速公路,這兩年也被廣泛使用。\n審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件事宜、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案件事宜、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案件事宜、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案件事宜、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案件事宜、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案件事宜、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案件事宜、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案件事宜、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案件事宜、詐欺犯罪\n這個主要是在我們法案的這個草案的第42條那我們在這邊關於那個網路那個限制接取還有那個停止解析的這個部分那我們目前是要有三個條件第一個條件就是說他必須涉及詐欺犯罪就是一般人民一般的言論自由這個是我們是不會去干涉的就是\n當涉及詐欺犯罪那第二個條件呢是他這個必須有一個即時性就是有一個緊急性就是說看起來我們不馬上處理的話會造成更大的災害那第三個條件呢他是必須經過目的事業主管機關以及司法警察機關的認定他認為說他有這個緊急處置之必要時我們才會進行這樣的工作\n謝謝說明,問這個就是說,其實我會擔憂的是說,未來會不會因為這個42條的關係,有大量的民眾去檢舉某一個政治人物的平台,像Trader,那他會不會因為這樣的關係而下架?這個事情會提到是因為接下來未來選舉的時候,這個很容易被拿來做操作,這個是要預防的事情嘛對不對?\n是,包委員,因為如果說有人是檢舉那個政治人物的話,因為這個不涉及詐欺的話,這個第一條件他就不成立了。他本以希望是內政部相關機關能夠多多聽聽民團的建議。那我想打詐是我們共同的目標,我們希望讓打詐專法能夠順利立法之外,我們人權的保障也不要被忽視啦。\n審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件事宜,請審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件事宜,請審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件事宜,請審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件事宜,請審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件事宜,請審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.729 --> 00:06.452\n謝謝主席。我們請部長。請安部長。請安署長。請安署長。黃委員好。部長好。部長。我們今天審查這個打詐專法,這是一個非常非常重要的一個立法。那公寓三期四必先立期四,一部好的法律需要人來執行。當然這是一定的對不對?\n\n00:27.381 --> 00:31.603\n懲罰人力的問題,為了確保關鍵基礎的設施安全,未來我們保安、保二總隊要擴編,要保護我們的基礎設施安全,這是什麼是基礎設施?\n\n00:53.206 --> 01:11.414\n包括就是有水電這些廠手那跟國家的一個就是重大發展的這些的廠手就是就是我們的一個關鍵雖然未來包括像台積電這些高科技產業我們也有可能要去保護他們對不對這個目前是還沒有\n\n01:15.376 --> 01:23.364\n未來我們看研議看看我們現在現在的這關鍵是都是屬於公家單位的一個關鍵是測試我們這次的擴編不是為了打仗也不是為了治安是要去保護這些基礎設施\n\n01:30.931 --> 01:59.014\n這些基礎設施他未來當這些擴兵的警察他可能要分批去接受軍事訓練嘛,不然你還要配備重機槍嘛,還有手榴彈、四針飛彈這些東西嘛,這些東西跟我們以前,以往我們認知在警專、警大受的傷完全不一樣喔,那今天是第二陸軍的規格啊。跟委員報告,這個也是一個安全維護的一個方式而已啦,就是跟軍事訓練是不一樣的啦,這個也是一個安全維護的一個措施。\n\n01:59.514 --> 02:16.222\n審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件事宜與以往我們警察署所授勳的完全不同,這點是附近的規格嗎?」審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件事宜與以往我們警察署所授勳的完全不同,這點是附近的規格嗎?」審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件事宜與以往我們警察署所授勳的完全不同,這點是附近的規格嗎?」審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐\n\n02:28.568 --> 02:32.371\n檢舉獎勵制度,這部份未來會否是責任?也會責任我們基站、我們這間院會負擔?因為我們未來是不是有多專屬的人力去做這一塊?這個是不是也要來?\n\n02:45.590 --> 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