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00:01:44,762\n然後在面對詐欺犯罪形態和技術不斷的演進所以你們也非常清楚知道有非常多的新形態的犯罪案不斷的發生所以你們為了要因應高度反覆發生的詐欺犯罪的案例你們在112年的6月你們也實施了打詐綱領1.5版要減少這些傷害的宗旨請問一下做了些什麼\n\n5\n00:01:46,235 --> 00:02:00,992\n跟委員報告我們在111年執行這個1.0版的打炸綱領但是執行一年之後覺得說還有有提升這個怎麼提升怎麼提升成立了這個\n\n6\n00:02:02,594 --> 00:02:12,925\n審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、\n\n7\n00:02:24,983 --> 00:02:47,101\n一百一十一年詐騙案件兩萬九千五百零九一百一十二年詐騙案件三萬七千八百二十三我們看到有一點五百有編前詐騙案件指針不降所以認為今天我們修了這個法例的這個條例就可以來打詐了嗎\n\n8\n00:02:48,695 --> 00:02:50,897\n然後再來看一下4年的詐騙案的破獲率109年2.3萬件110年2.4萬件111年2.9萬件112年3.7萬件4年增加了1.4萬件成長了1.6萬件\n\n9\n00:03:06,295 --> 00:03:12,943\n破獲率是這麼低啊為什麼我們有1.5的所謂的行政院跨部會的小組為什麼我們也編列了預算我們的詐騙案件數是越來越高破獲率越來越低呢誰能夠告訴我\n\n10\n00:03:25,172 --> 00:03:37,157\n委員講的就是說除了什麼問題請簡單我只有剩下幾分鐘我的問題就是那個源頭的管理好署長您不用說沒關係我們先請行政院的主任\n\n11\n00:03:37,777 --> 00:03:47,379\n你今天來扮演很重要的角色啊,你要把今天來的這個各部會全部變成一個跨部會的小組啊,也結束它的成績應該是在行政院長的成績嘛,不是嗎?今天來我們個別內政部警政署來說話,然後行政院這個速發部來說話,法務部來說話,國家通訊廠部委員會來講,\n\n12\n00:03:59,182 --> 00:03:59,803\n審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具\n\n13\n00:04:24,827 --> 00:04:24,967\n審查委員\n\n14\n00:04:45,914 --> 00:04:50,719\n你自己上面也假拉你你就是因為知道日新夜異犯罪形態技術不斷演進所以你們才會在112年6月實施的打炸綱領1.5百嘛錢也給你了然後所謂的制度你們也建立了為什麼還是這樣\n\n15\n00:05:05,313 --> 00:05:05,433\n審查委員長\n\n16\n00:05:23,268 --> 00:05:43,763\n我們看一下你們的防制詐騙的宣導資訊我們從最簡單的來講請就警政署的部分你們有全民防騙網165165的LINE官方帳號165的宣導臉書警政署有APP刑事警察局有官方網站你們有沒有看見發現一個事情你們全部是透過網路宣傳對不對\n\n17\n00:05:48,765 --> 00:06:06,108\n原鄉跟偏鄉網路資訊本來就是獲取不易,我們有非常多的長輩連這些都看不到,所以他怎麼清楚知道他是被騙呢?所以請問一下你們針對這個部分你要怎麼樣再做進行?我想委員我們也會做實體的宣導,入鄉入裡去做宣導。實體怎麼做?實體就是我們有宣導團,\n\n18\n00:06:13,050 --> 00:06:21,895\n審討團到你們園鄉的部落裡面的集會的場合去做﹑很好,所以你們知道問題對不對?所以要有人力來宣傳嘛對不對?\n\n19\n00:06:21,895 --> 00:06:33,442\n好,署長請部長了,謝謝。既然清楚知道在園鄉跟偏鄉我們需要人力,所以足夠的警力宣傳有它的必要性對不對?\n\n20\n00:06:34,202 --> 00:06:56,564\n我們來看一下數據從今年4月警政署的詐欺統計來看我們除了離島之外花東兩縣的詐欺破獲率是全國倒數前兩名花東是原住民族地區的最多而且呢都是老人留下最多所以很顯然你知道問題需要提高人力我告訴你該怎麼做我們來看一下檢察署\n\n21\n00:06:57,125 --> 00:07:02,647\n他109年他的案件從5239成長到16萬,三年之間幅度高達了320%,因為檢察署他的人力不足,所以他在112年的時候他提出了禁用檢察官助理要有100人的政策,他要強化他的偵查輔助人力,所以問題來了。\n\n22\n00:07:20,093 --> 00:07:47,081\n檢察署都可以增加人力清楚知道要有人力請問一下我們警政署你剛剛說了在偏鄉跟原鄉之地方你們會編族人力除了這個網路之外所以人力夠嗎對我想這個委員講的很有道理人力我們今年就是在10月份大概有1300多人會畢業那明年大概2700多位所以署長在這邊跟部長講一下人力不夠對不對\n\n23\n00:07:50,242 --> 00:08:09,587\n我不是說不過我只是說會針對這些區域的這一些發生的這個狀況來做這個編派人力的一個派補好現在既然署長這麼多部長我在這邊您真的是蠻辛苦的一上來就要面對這麼多的問題尤其是詐騙這個是這件事情你看這個照片\n\n24\n00:08:10,467 --> 00:08:32,882\n我到原鄉地區都幫我們基層的警政署來拍照片,就是因為人力不夠,對不對,因為人力不夠,所以署長你這邊要非常清楚跟部長講,因為我們的基層人力真的不夠,它除了一般警政的業務之外,現在新興犯罪也非常多,尤其是原鄉跟偏鄉的警力,所以偏鄉跟\n\n25\n00:08:33,982 --> 00:08:59,851\n懸殼警力一定要增加。這個警力不僅僅是破壞所謂的防制交通等等的,它還有這個新興的犯罪,是需要人力去宣導的。所以可不可以在兩週之內提出一些書面報告,讓本席清楚知道你們在懸殼跟偏鄉,一、怎麼這樣增加人力,第二、怎麼解決這些問題,好不好?沒問題。可以嗎?請問部長。可以。請問部長可以嗎?可以。\n\n26\n00:09:02,572 --> 00:09:10,156\n審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1680\t24725\t謝謝昭偉我很高興今天在我們委員會裡面看到這麼多中央部會的人都來這裡我們來看一下今天我們是要針對詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案來做說明所以很顯然他是跨部會的然後除了跨部會之外呢今天我們的行政院打擊詐欺辦公室的主任也來我們先請李主任好嗎謝謝好請主任\n29830\t51463\t主任從剛剛開始一直都沒有聽到你說話您認為今天我們要審這個法案我唸一遍您看是正不正確就是為了防制和打擊詐騙危害我國也就是中華民國從111年6月起就實施了新世代的打擊詐欺策略行動綱領對不對從市詐\n54980\t76815\t堵詐、阻詐、懲詐,適當面向左手,然後呢,要奠定各項政策基礎方針,然後由行政院組成跨部會打詐國家隊,所以很早我們就清楚知道是要跨部會的,而且國家也成立所謂的國家打詐隊,然後要來攜手協力共同應處詐欺犯罪的問題。\n77916\t104762\t然後在面對詐欺犯罪形態和技術不斷的演進所以你們也非常清楚知道有非常多的新形態的犯罪案不斷的發生所以你們為了要因應高度反覆發生的詐欺犯罪的案例你們在112年的6月你們也實施了打詐綱領1.5版要減少這些傷害的宗旨請問一下做了些什麼\n106235\t120992\t跟委員報告我們在111年執行這個1.0版的打炸綱領但是執行一年之後覺得說還有有提升這個怎麼提升怎麼提升成立了這個\n122594\t132925\t審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、\n144983\t167101\t一百一十一年詐騙案件兩萬九千五百零九一百一十二年詐騙案件三萬七千八百二十三我們看到有一點五百有編前詐騙案件指針不降所以認為今天我們修了這個法例的這個條例就可以來打詐了嗎\n168695\t170897\t然後再來看一下4年的詐騙案的破獲率109年2.3萬件110年2.4萬件111年2.9萬件112年3.7萬件4年增加了1.4萬件成長了1.6萬件\n186295\t192943\t破獲率是這麼低啊為什麼我們有1.5的所謂的行政院跨部會的小組為什麼我們也編列了預算我們的詐騙案件數是越來越高破獲率越來越低呢誰能夠告訴我\n205172\t217157\t委員講的就是說除了什麼問題請簡單我只有剩下幾分鐘我的問題就是那個源頭的管理好署長您不用說沒關係我們先請行政院的主任\n217777\t227379\t你今天來扮演很重要的角色啊,你要把今天來的這個各部會全部變成一個跨部會的小組啊,也結束它的成績應該是在行政院長的成績嘛,不是嗎?今天來我們個別內政部警政署來說話,然後行政院這個速發部來說話,法務部來說話,國家通訊廠部委員會來講,\n239182\t239803\t審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具\n264827\t264967\t審查委員\n285914\t290719\t你自己上面也假拉你你就是因為知道日新夜異犯罪形態技術不斷演進所以你們才會在112年6月實施的打炸綱領1.5百嘛錢也給你了然後所謂的制度你們也建立了為什麼還是這樣\n305313\t305433\t審查委員長\n323268\t343763\t我們看一下你們的防制詐騙的宣導資訊我們從最簡單的來講請就警政署的部分你們有全民防騙網165165的LINE官方帳號165的宣導臉書警政署有APP刑事警察局有官方網站你們有沒有看見發現一個事情你們全部是透過網路宣傳對不對\n348765\t366108\t原鄉跟偏鄉網路資訊本來就是獲取不易,我們有非常多的長輩連這些都看不到,所以他怎麼清楚知道他是被騙呢?所以請問一下你們針對這個部分你要怎麼樣再做進行?我想委員我們也會做實體的宣導,入鄉入裡去做宣導。實體怎麼做?實體就是我們有宣導團,\n373050\t381895\t審討團到你們園鄉的部落裡面的集會的場合去做﹑ 很好,所以你們知道問題對不對?所以要有人力來宣傳嘛對不對?\n381895\t393442\t好,署長請部長了,謝謝。既然清楚知道在園鄉跟偏鄉我們需要人力,所以足夠的警力宣傳有它的必要性對不對?\n394202\t416564\t我們來看一下數據從今年4月警政署的詐欺統計來看我們除了離島之外花東兩縣的詐欺破獲率是全國倒數前兩名花東是原住民族地區的最多而且呢都是老人留下最多所以很顯然你知道問題需要提高人力我告訴你該怎麼做我們來看一下檢察署\n417125\t422647\t他109年他的案件從5239成長到16萬,三年之間幅度高達了320%,因為檢察署他的人力不足,所以他在112年的時候他提出了禁用檢察官助理要有100人的政策,他要強化他的偵查輔助人力,所以問題來了。\n440093\t467081\t檢察署都可以增加人力清楚知道要有人力請問一下我們警政署你剛剛說了在偏鄉跟原鄉之地方你們會編族人力除了這個網路之外所以人力夠嗎對我想這個委員講的很有道理人力我們今年就是在10月份大概有1300多人會畢業那明年大概2700多位所以署長在這邊跟部長講一下人力不夠對不對\n470242\t489587\t我不是說不過我只是說會針對這些區域的這一些發生的這個狀況來做這個編派人力的一個派補好現在既然署長這麼多部長我在這邊您真的是蠻辛苦的一上來就要面對這麼多的問題尤其是詐騙這個是這件事情你看這個照片\n490467\t512882\t我到原鄉地區都幫我們基層的警政署來拍照片,就是因為人力不夠,對不對,因為人力不夠,所以署長你這邊要非常清楚跟部長講,因為我們的基層人力真的不夠,它除了一般警政的業務之外,現在新興犯罪也非常多,尤其是原鄉跟偏鄉的警力,所以偏鄉跟\n513982\t539851\t懸殼警力一定要增加。這個警力不僅僅是破壞所謂的防制交通等等的,它還有這個新興的犯罪,是需要人力去宣導的。所以可不可以在兩週之內提出一些書面報告,讓本席清楚知道你們在懸殼跟偏鄉,一、怎麼這樣增加人力,第二、怎麼解決這些問題,好不好?沒問題。可以嗎?請問部長。可以。請問部長可以嗎?可以。\n542572\t550156\t審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、\n","txt":"謝謝昭偉我很高興今天在我們委員會裡面看到這麼多中央部會的人都來這裡我們來看一下今天我們是要針對詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案來做說明所以很顯然他是跨部會的然後除了跨部會之外呢今天我們的行政院打擊詐欺辦公室的主任也來我們先請李主任好嗎謝謝好請主任\n主任從剛剛開始一直都沒有聽到你說話您認為今天我們要審這個法案我唸一遍您看是正不正確就是為了防制和打擊詐騙危害我國也就是中華民國從111年6月起就實施了新世代的打擊詐欺策略行動綱領對不對從市詐\n堵詐、阻詐、懲詐,適當面向左手,然後呢,要奠定各項政策基礎方針,然後由行政院組成跨部會打詐國家隊,所以很早我們就清楚知道是要跨部會的,而且國家也成立所謂的國家打詐隊,然後要來攜手協力共同應處詐欺犯罪的問題。\n然後在面對詐欺犯罪形態和技術不斷的演進所以你們也非常清楚知道有非常多的新形態的犯罪案不斷的發生所以你們為了要因應高度反覆發生的詐欺犯罪的案例你們在112年的6月你們也實施了打詐綱領1.5版要減少這些傷害的宗旨請問一下做了些什麼\n跟委員報告我們在111年執行這個1.0版的打炸綱領但是執行一年之後覺得說還有有提升這個怎麼提升怎麼提升成立了這個\n審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、\n一百一十一年詐騙案件兩萬九千五百零九一百一十二年詐騙案件三萬七千八百二十三我們看到有一點五百有編前詐騙案件指針不降所以認為今天我們修了這個法例的這個條例就可以來打詐了嗎\n然後再來看一下4年的詐騙案的破獲率109年2.3萬件110年2.4萬件111年2.9萬件112年3.7萬件4年增加了1.4萬件成長了1.6萬件\n破獲率是這麼低啊為什麼我們有1.5的所謂的行政院跨部會的小組為什麼我們也編列了預算我們的詐騙案件數是越來越高破獲率越來越低呢誰能夠告訴我\n委員講的就是說除了什麼問題請簡單我只有剩下幾分鐘我的問題就是那個源頭的管理好署長您不用說沒關係我們先請行政院的主任\n你今天來扮演很重要的角色啊,你要把今天來的這個各部會全部變成一個跨部會的小組啊,也結束它的成績應該是在行政院長的成績嘛,不是嗎?今天來我們個別內政部警政署來說話,然後行政院這個速發部來說話,法務部來說話,國家通訊廠部委員會來講,\n審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具\n審查委員\n你自己上面也假拉你你就是因為知道日新夜異犯罪形態技術不斷演進所以你們才會在112年6月實施的打炸綱領1.5百嘛錢也給你了然後所謂的制度你們也建立了為什麼還是這樣\n審查委員長\n我們看一下你們的防制詐騙的宣導資訊我們從最簡單的來講請就警政署的部分你們有全民防騙網165165的LINE官方帳號165的宣導臉書警政署有APP刑事警察局有官方網站你們有沒有看見發現一個事情你們全部是透過網路宣傳對不對\n原鄉跟偏鄉網路資訊本來就是獲取不易,我們有非常多的長輩連這些都看不到,所以他怎麼清楚知道他是被騙呢?所以請問一下你們針對這個部分你要怎麼樣再做進行?我想委員我們也會做實體的宣導,入鄉入裡去做宣導。實體怎麼做?實體就是我們有宣導團,\n審討團到你們園鄉的部落裡面的集會的場合去做﹑ 很好,所以你們知道問題對不對?所以要有人力來宣傳嘛對不對?\n好,署長請部長了,謝謝。既然清楚知道在園鄉跟偏鄉我們需要人力,所以足夠的警力宣傳有它的必要性對不對?\n我們來看一下數據從今年4月警政署的詐欺統計來看我們除了離島之外花東兩縣的詐欺破獲率是全國倒數前兩名花東是原住民族地區的最多而且呢都是老人留下最多所以很顯然你知道問題需要提高人力我告訴你該怎麼做我們來看一下檢察署\n他109年他的案件從5239成長到16萬,三年之間幅度高達了320%,因為檢察署他的人力不足,所以他在112年的時候他提出了禁用檢察官助理要有100人的政策,他要強化他的偵查輔助人力,所以問題來了。\n檢察署都可以增加人力清楚知道要有人力請問一下我們警政署你剛剛說了在偏鄉跟原鄉之地方你們會編族人力除了這個網路之外所以人力夠嗎對我想這個委員講的很有道理人力我們今年就是在10月份大概有1300多人會畢業那明年大概2700多位所以署長在這邊跟部長講一下人力不夠對不對\n我不是說不過我只是說會針對這些區域的這一些發生的這個狀況來做這個編派人力的一個派補好現在既然署長這麼多部長我在這邊您真的是蠻辛苦的一上來就要面對這麼多的問題尤其是詐騙這個是這件事情你看這個照片\n我到原鄉地區都幫我們基層的警政署來拍照片,就是因為人力不夠,對不對,因為人力不夠,所以署長你這邊要非常清楚跟部長講,因為我們的基層人力真的不夠,它除了一般警政的業務之外,現在新興犯罪也非常多,尤其是原鄉跟偏鄉的警力,所以偏鄉跟\n懸殼警力一定要增加。這個警力不僅僅是破壞所謂的防制交通等等的,它還有這個新興的犯罪,是需要人力去宣導的。所以可不可以在兩週之內提出一些書面報告,讓本席清楚知道你們在懸殼跟偏鄉,一、怎麼這樣增加人力,第二、怎麼解決這些問題,好不好?沒問題。可以嗎?請問部長。可以。請問部長可以嗎?可以。\n審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.680 --> 00:24.725\n謝謝昭偉我很高興今天在我們委員會裡面看到這麼多中央部會的人都來這裡我們來看一下今天我們是要針對詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案來做說明所以很顯然他是跨部會的然後除了跨部會之外呢今天我們的行政院打擊詐欺辦公室的主任也來我們先請李主任好嗎謝謝好請主任\n\n00:29.830 --> 00:51.463\n主任從剛剛開始一直都沒有聽到你說話您認為今天我們要審這個法案我唸一遍您看是正不正確就是為了防制和打擊詐騙危害我國也就是中華民國從111年6月起就實施了新世代的打擊詐欺策略行動綱領對不對從市詐\n\n00:54.980 --> 01:16.815\n堵詐、阻詐、懲詐,適當面向左手,然後呢,要奠定各項政策基礎方針,然後由行政院組成跨部會打詐國家隊,所以很早我們就清楚知道是要跨部會的,而且國家也成立所謂的國家打詐隊,然後要來攜手協力共同應處詐欺犯罪的問題。\n\n01:17.916 --> 01:44.762\n然後在面對詐欺犯罪形態和技術不斷的演進所以你們也非常清楚知道有非常多的新形態的犯罪案不斷的發生所以你們為了要因應高度反覆發生的詐欺犯罪的案例你們在112年的6月你們也實施了打詐綱領1.5版要減少這些傷害的宗旨請問一下做了些什麼\n\n01:46.235 --> 02:00.992\n跟委員報告我們在111年執行這個1.0版的打炸綱領但是執行一年之後覺得說還有有提升這個怎麼提升怎麼提升成立了這個\n\n02:02.594 --> 02:12.925\n審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、\n\n02:24.983 --> 02:47.101\n一百一十一年詐騙案件兩萬九千五百零九一百一十二年詐騙案件三萬七千八百二十三我們看到有一點五百有編前詐騙案件指針不降所以認為今天我們修了這個法例的這個條例就可以來打詐了嗎\n\n02:48.695 --> 02:50.897\n然後再來看一下4年的詐騙案的破獲率109年2.3萬件110年2.4萬件111年2.9萬件112年3.7萬件4年增加了1.4萬件成長了1.6萬件\n\n03:06.295 --> 03:12.943\n破獲率是這麼低啊為什麼我們有1.5的所謂的行政院跨部會的小組為什麼我們也編列了預算我們的詐騙案件數是越來越高破獲率越來越低呢誰能夠告訴我\n\n03:25.172 --> 03:37.157\n委員講的就是說除了什麼問題請簡單我只有剩下幾分鐘我的問題就是那個源頭的管理好署長您不用說沒關係我們先請行政院的主任\n\n03:37.777 --> 03:47.379\n你今天來扮演很重要的角色啊,你要把今天來的這個各部會全部變成一個跨部會的小組啊,也結束它的成績應該是在行政院長的成績嘛,不是嗎?今天來我們個別內政部警政署來說話,然後行政院這個速發部來說話,法務部來說話,國家通訊廠部委員會來講,\n\n03:59.182 --> 03:59.803\n審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具\n\n04:24.827 --> 04:24.967\n審查委員\n\n04:45.914 --> 04:50.719\n你自己上面也假拉你你就是因為知道日新夜異犯罪形態技術不斷演進所以你們才會在112年6月實施的打炸綱領1.5百嘛錢也給你了然後所謂的制度你們也建立了為什麼還是這樣\n\n05:05.313 --> 05:05.433\n審查委員長\n\n05:23.268 --> 05:43.763\n我們看一下你們的防制詐騙的宣導資訊我們從最簡單的來講請就警政署的部分你們有全民防騙網165165的LINE官方帳號165的宣導臉書警政署有APP刑事警察局有官方網站你們有沒有看見發現一個事情你們全部是透過網路宣傳對不對\n\n05:48.765 --> 06:06.108\n原鄉跟偏鄉網路資訊本來就是獲取不易,我們有非常多的長輩連這些都看不到,所以他怎麼清楚知道他是被騙呢?所以請問一下你們針對這個部分你要怎麼樣再做進行?我想委員我們也會做實體的宣導,入鄉入裡去做宣導。實體怎麼做?實體就是我們有宣導團,\n\n06:13.050 --> 06:21.895\n審討團到你們園鄉的部落裡面的集會的場合去做﹑很好,所以你們知道問題對不對?所以要有人力來宣傳嘛對不對?\n\n06:21.895 --> 06:33.442\n好,署長請部長了,謝謝。既然清楚知道在園鄉跟偏鄉我們需要人力,所以足夠的警力宣傳有它的必要性對不對?\n\n06:34.202 --> 06:56.564\n我們來看一下數據從今年4月警政署的詐欺統計來看我們除了離島之外花東兩縣的詐欺破獲率是全國倒數前兩名花東是原住民族地區的最多而且呢都是老人留下最多所以很顯然你知道問題需要提高人力我告訴你該怎麼做我們來看一下檢察署\n\n06:57.125 --> 07:02.647\n他109年他的案件從5239成長到16萬,三年之間幅度高達了320%,因為檢察署他的人力不足,所以他在112年的時候他提出了禁用檢察官助理要有100人的政策,他要強化他的偵查輔助人力,所以問題來了。\n\n07:20.093 --> 07:47.081\n檢察署都可以增加人力清楚知道要有人力請問一下我們警政署你剛剛說了在偏鄉跟原鄉之地方你們會編族人力除了這個網路之外所以人力夠嗎對我想這個委員講的很有道理人力我們今年就是在10月份大概有1300多人會畢業那明年大概2700多位所以署長在這邊跟部長講一下人力不夠對不對\n\n07:50.242 --> 08:09.587\n我不是說不過我只是說會針對這些區域的這一些發生的這個狀況來做這個編派人力的一個派補好現在既然署長這麼多部長我在這邊您真的是蠻辛苦的一上來就要面對這麼多的問題尤其是詐騙這個是這件事情你看這個照片\n\n08:10.467 --> 08:32.882\n我到原鄉地區都幫我們基層的警政署來拍照片,就是因為人力不夠,對不對,因為人力不夠,所以署長你這邊要非常清楚跟部長講,因為我們的基層人力真的不夠,它除了一般警政的業務之外,現在新興犯罪也非常多,尤其是原鄉跟偏鄉的警力,所以偏鄉跟\n\n08:33.982 --> 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