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00:02:11,741\n立法裡面的授權不足包括說我們未來在不管從救援裡面從金管會、通傳會還有數位部很多防止的預防面或者是需要把這個所謂的這個返還這個被害人的這些金額啊等等這些你若犯了不充足你現在叫警察朋友或是叫很多人說我要把你抬掉、要把你燒掉、要把你沖掉那是違反我們台灣這個法制社會裡面應該有的條件\n\n8\n00:02:29,489 --> 00:02:33,533\n這次前政務委員羅秉成是非常好的法律專家,他在我們歐里空陣前已經完成新《詐欺事法》。在《詐欺事法》內,在我們內政委員會是以《詐欺危害防制條例》為主。在《司法法制委員會》就是《洗錢防治法》、\n\n9\n00:02:51,511 --> 00:02:59,598\n審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案：一、二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九\n\n10\n00:03:14,450 --> 00:03:20,876\n二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、\n\n11\n00:03:34,437 --> 00:03:42,791\n要有法律代表人。第二,法律代表人哪像是法律新創的一個名詞。當然現行法律中剛有這個名詞。\n\n12\n00:03:44,628 --> 00:04:11,122\n應該不是新創名詞,我請主管機關介紹一下。謝謝委員,這是參考歐盟的legalrepresentative,因為你要用法律代理人或有的法務,但是這個叫做法律代表。法律代表因為國際的做法要一致,所以我們參考歐盟的做法叫做legalrepresentative,國際的法律代表來做出力。報告,謝謝。\n\n13\n00:04:12,442 --> 00:04:17,748\n二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、\n\n14\n00:04:31,198 --> 00:04:49,853\n報告委員,這個一方面我們是主動跟這些跨國網路平台業者做溝通然後勸說,那另一方面就是我們希望這個法律的通過當這些跨國網路廣告平台如果他們不願意合作的話我們有一些法源去要求他甚至於是對他們處罰\n\n15\n00:04:51,754 --> 00:05:06,366\n有法人對外國公司可以處罰他們?對,基本上這個就是為什麼我們希望他在台灣設立法律代表的原因。那如果他不願意設立法律代表的話,那我們就是最後的手段就是可以幫他降訴。\n\n16\n00:05:07,126 --> 00:05:22,711\n二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、\n\n17\n00:05:29,733 --> 00:05:50,736\n二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、\n\n18\n00:05:51,957 --> 00:06:06,065\n沒有這個濫權,但要如何確定會讓有心的人濫用這些權利,拿去做法判的用途,一些個資的問題。中國如果發生像我們之前我們的民進黨政策會執行長,於是濫用電信公司的個人資訊問題,這就過分我們要如何處理。\n\n19\n00:06:22,510 --> 00:06:23,633\n黃黃竹敏竹敏啊電信\n\n20\n00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:38,403\n二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十\n\n21\n00:06:59,650 --> 00:07:19,706\n二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n29\t10269\t二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、\n11891\t34763\t責欺犯罪防害防制條例草案。這是我們現屆優先的法案。修宣打詐、防詐是大家的一個共識。均是非常積極、更有效力的詐騙集團。現在打詐效率目前是有很大的明顯,執行效率比較不髒,需要更好的方針。\n39025\t44448\t審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案 案 、 草案 、草案 、草案 、草案 、草案 、草案 、草案 、草案 、草案 、草案 、草案 、草案 、草案 、草案 、草案 、草案 、草案 、草案 、草案 、草案 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representative,因為你要用法律代理人或有的法務,但是這個叫做法律代表。法律代表因為國際的做法要一致,所以我們參考歐盟的做法叫做legal representative,國際的法律代表來做出力。報告,謝謝。\n252442\t257748\t二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、\n271198\t289853\t報告委員,這個一方面我們是主動跟這些跨國網路平台業者做溝通然後勸說,那另一方面就是我們希望這個法律的通過當這些跨國網路廣告平台如果他們不願意合作的話我們有一些法源去要求他甚至於是對他們處罰\n291754\t306366\t有法人對外國公司可以處罰他們?對,基本上這個就是為什麼我們希望他在台灣設立法律代表的原因。那如果他不願意設立法律代表的話,那我們就是最後的手段就是可以幫他降訴。\n307126\t322711\t二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、\n329733\t350736\t二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、\n351957\t366065\t沒有這個濫權,但要如何確定會讓有心的人濫用這些權利,拿去做法判的用途,一些個資的問題。中國如果發生像我們之前我們的民進黨政策會執行長,於是濫用電信公司的個人資訊問題,這就過分我們要如何處理。\n382510\t383633\t黃 黃竹敏 竹敏 啊 電信\n390120\t398403\t二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十\n419650\t439706\t二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、\n","txt":"二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、\n責欺犯罪防害防制條例草案。這是我們現屆優先的法案。修宣打詐、防詐是大家的一個共識。均是非常積極、更有效力的詐騙集團。現在打詐效率目前是有很大的明顯,執行效率比較不髒,需要更好的方針。\n審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案 案 、 草案 、草案 、草案 、草案 、草案 、草案 、草案 、草案 、草案 、草案 、草案 、草案 、草案 、草案 、草案 、草案 、草案 、草案 、草案 、草案 、草案\n審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具、「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案案案案案案案案\n二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、\n審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具\n立法裡面的授權不足包括說我們未來在不管從救援裡面從金管會、通傳會還有數位部很多防止的預防面或者是需要把這個所謂的這個返還這個被害人的這些金額啊等等這些你若犯了不充足你現在叫警察朋友或是叫很多人說我要把你抬掉、要把你燒掉、要把你沖掉那是違反我們台灣這個法制社會裡面應該有的條件\n這次前政務委員羅秉成是非常好的法律專家,他在我們歐里空陣前已經完成新《詐欺事法》。在《詐欺事法》內,在我們內政委員會是以《詐欺危害防制條例》為主。在《司法法制委員會》就是《洗錢防治法》、\n審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案：一、二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九\n二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、\n要有法律代表人。第二,法律代表人哪像是法律新創的一個名詞。當然現行法律中剛有這個名詞。\n應該不是新創名詞,我請主管機關介紹一下。謝謝委員,這是參考歐盟的legal representative,因為你要用法律代理人或有的法務,但是這個叫做法律代表。法律代表因為國際的做法要一致,所以我們參考歐盟的做法叫做legal representative,國際的法律代表來做出力。報告,謝謝。\n二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、\n報告委員,這個一方面我們是主動跟這些跨國網路平台業者做溝通然後勸說,那另一方面就是我們希望這個法律的通過當這些跨國網路廣告平台如果他們不願意合作的話我們有一些法源去要求他甚至於是對他們處罰\n有法人對外國公司可以處罰他們?對,基本上這個就是為什麼我們希望他在台灣設立法律代表的原因。那如果他不願意設立法律代表的話,那我們就是最後的手段就是可以幫他降訴。\n二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、\n二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、\n沒有這個濫權,但要如何確定會讓有心的人濫用這些權利,拿去做法判的用途,一些個資的問題。中國如果發生像我們之前我們的民進黨政策會執行長,於是濫用電信公司的個人資訊問題,這就過分我們要如何處理。\n黃 黃竹敏 竹敏 啊 電信\n二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十\n二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.029 --> 00:10.269\n二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、\n\n00:11.891 --> 00:34.763\n責欺犯罪防害防制條例草案。這是我們現屆優先的法案。修宣打詐、防詐是大家的一個共識。均是非常積極、更有效力的詐騙集團。現在打詐效率目前是有很大的明顯,執行效率比較不髒,需要更好的方針。\n\n00:39.025 --> 00:44.448\n審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案、草案、草案、草案、草案、草案、草案、草案、草案、草案、草案、草案、草案、草案、草案、草案、草案、草案、草案、草案、草案、草案\n\n01:06.197 --> 01:08.580\n審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具、「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案案案案案案案案\n\n01:29.878 --> 01:39.523\n二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、\n\n01:48.608 --> 01:49.269\n審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具\n\n02:03.598 --> 02:11.741\n立法裡面的授權不足包括說我們未來在不管從救援裡面從金管會、通傳會還有數位部很多防止的預防面或者是需要把這個所謂的這個返還這個被害人的這些金額啊等等這些你若犯了不充足你現在叫警察朋友或是叫很多人說我要把你抬掉、要把你燒掉、要把你沖掉那是違反我們台灣這個法制社會裡面應該有的條件\n\n02:29.489 --> 02:33.533\n這次前政務委員羅秉成是非常好的法律專家,他在我們歐里空陣前已經完成新《詐欺事法》。在《詐欺事法》內,在我們內政委員會是以《詐欺危害防制條例》為主。在《司法法制委員會》就是《洗錢防治法》、\n\n02:51.511 --> 02:59.598\n審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案：一、二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九\n\n03:14.450 --> 03:20.876\n二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、\n\n03:34.437 --> 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