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00:01:25,752\n但是今天因為底下有兩位都是我以前的老師他們都教得很好所以我懂所以我今天真的是要來討論一下首先以第8頁為例你們說因應AI發展算力的需求你們的這個方案預定在2024年底完成16petaflops2025超越100petaflops2028年完成200petaflops\n\n5\n00:01:33,732 --> 00:01:59,151\n老實說,隨便Google一下連GDP都不用問這個一比較起來是真的會流眼淚的我們到2024年才16現在印度的已經是410我還查過了他們的國民生產毛額或者是總體的這個所謂的全部累計的GDP我們也頂多就是四分之一啦七分之一啦除一下我覺得這個數字也真的有點可憐\n\n6\n00:02:00,772 --> 00:02:11,123\n更不用講現在國外已經開始在用exaflops來做單位了我們這樣子真的是算力非常堪憂我想報告的第13頁開始總算未來佈局了但覺得有點單薄\n\n7\n00:02:14,482 --> 00:02:19,567\n我們看到前面說我們要推動AI創新看到的案例只有三個例子當然有一個農業我覺得是不錯但提到這個所謂ComputerVision辨識的地方我們覺得有點作為阿宅因為我是那個中研院廖所長的粉絲他們做了一個這個YOLO這個非常非常受歡迎的這個開發套件\n\n8\n00:02:39,106 --> 00:02:59,839\n結果呢5月26號已經出了最新版這一份6月5號的報告竟然說YOLO是V7啦我就直接講啦現在已經第10代了V9已經是全球轟動了這個上個禮拜是出到第10代了我們這份最新的報告說我們台灣的中研院自己參與主導開發的YOLO是第7代\n\n9\n00:03:03,206 --> 00:03:19,351\n真的是有點志強矛盾更不用講啦說什麼參數比較啦算力都沒有去缺這個所謂的跨國的訊息的同步跟比較然後呢我們這去了解各部會AI的成果好像溝通協調回來也就零零總總兩三樣\n\n10\n00:03:21,152 --> 00:03:35,082\n我們真的很擔心到底各部會有沒有接您的球啊您發出去的這個訊息各部會有沒有回應啊陳建仁院長曾經說未來要推AI行動計畫3.0未來一定是由您來統籌規劃您投出去的球各個單位會接嗎你作為這個投撲手作為這個打擊者也好都應該是瞻仰這個全世界各地的狀況你有在看嗎各位稍微回應一下\n\n11\n00:03:50,003 --> 00:04:07,039\n謝謝委員的指教因為我這個才第三個禮拜其實還沒有時間去拜訪各部會這真的是很遺憾不過我會努力做這個事有需要我們幫忙的地方我們一起來協作好不好謝謝您的誠意\n\n12\n00:04:09,361 --> 00:04:32,395\n三個禮拜AI已經要跳帶囉我們每天在睡覺AI都在倍速成長喔黃仁勳講的喔所以我們不能把我們現在的時間當成以前的時間來看再來還有一點我看了非常憂心這一份報告很可能是我們接下來台灣6個月甚至是6年的發展方向其中關於AI的行政命令在美國\n\n13\n00:04:33,095 --> 00:04:45,505\n或者是AI基本法在歐盟都非常重視利用AI打詐以及禁止AI被運用於詐騙請問這份報告裡面有沒有提到這個部分我有沒有看錯沒有啊我有沒有看錯\n\n14\n00:04:49,110 --> 00:05:15,377\n主委我有沒有看錯我們數位發展部的報告裡面有所以國科會不需要管這個事情科研不需要來協作嗎所以我們希望速發部的研發能力比國科會強嗎國科會當然學界研發能力比較強但是我們在各部位的分工上面我們有一些工作是速發部那我想未來我們報告改一下與打詐無關的人工智慧推動現況與未來方向好不好\n\n15\n00:05:16,917 --> 00:05:32,364\n再來我們看2023年4月份OpenAI執行長SamAltman跟日本首相岸田文雄會面會後SamAltman表達對日本市場的重視並且考慮跟日本合作的可能結果呢?\n\n16\n00:05:32,364 --> 00:05:33,665\n結果呢?今年的2024年是要更正嗎?\n\n17\n00:05:33,665 --> 00:05:34,145\n時間暫停一下這邊有沒有?\n\n18\n00:05:34,145 --> 00:05:34,685\n我剛剛講錯了是不是?\n\n19\n00:05:34,685 --> 00:05:35,525\n現在要更正可以喔?\n\n20\n00:05:35,525 --> 00:05:35,665\n沒有嗎?\n\n21\n00:05:35,665 --> 00:05:36,106\nOK那我們繼續喔\n\n22\n00:05:44,093 --> 00:06:02,635\n跟日本合作的可能OpenAI在官網宣布4月14日在日本設立亞洲第一個辦事處我們可以看到日本我們的鄰居日本好朋友對引進先進產業的企圖跟決心還有誠意主委那你們呢我就問一個問題你們執政團隊有沒有跟SamAltman提出過邀約\n\n23\n00:06:04,697 --> 00:06:25,895\n我們再來看上個星期黃仁勳去逛夜市16%的GDP跟他吃晚餐黃仁勳基於產業要求人都來到台灣了政府有沒有動作有沒有邀約相關產業的巨頭來聊有沒有跟黃仁勳聯繫我們平常就有在聯繫平常就有在聯繫有開會有討論我們的與打炸無關的人工智慧發展現況嗎\n\n24\n00:06:29,626 --> 00:06:57,165\n我們真的是有點擔心覺得最近好像黃仁勳才是我們的科技政委黃仁勳才是我們的AI的總統這真的是不應該那我們接下來有沒有辦法期待有沒有跟科研有關的台灣的AI發展現況的AI原作會議他16%GDP我們能不能至少要到1.6%有沒有從國會主委這裡的角度您也是政委去建起賴總統是不是有一個這樣的原作會議結果變成黃仁勳在吃晚餐\n\n25\n00:06:58,006 --> 00:06:58,367\n有沒有?目前沒有。\n\n26\n00:07:03,098 --> 00:07:27,534\n希望我想您的角色真的非常重要希望您可以做到專業的協助讓我們的AI內閣真的是AI內閣那我們再來持續的來看我們樂見產業發展但是我們的規劃政策規劃要考慮到不是只有產業還有我們的所有的這個社會的發展文化的提升這些都是我們考慮的社會的發展文化的提升就是詐騙的防治\n\n27\n00:07:29,295 --> 00:07:29,936\n主權AI是我們剛剛提出來的\n\n28\n00:07:46,311 --> 00:08:07,202\n然後呢之前也很感謝啦我們之前執政黨說算力及國力接下來我們還要面臨到一個挑戰電力及國力這個今天我們暫時不討論前面有很多委員都討論了但是我們來看我們的算力是怎麼做的呢我們的算力是速發部要打造算力池我們國科會也有高速電腦網路中心啦我們來看速發部要買什麼32片H100\n\n29\n00:08:12,318 --> 00:08:26,069\n我是真的齁大家去google一下就可以看到了齁一間Tesla公司的一個工廠德州的製造廠就要買5萬片的H100他的一個社群網站要買30萬片的B200請問\n\n30\n00:08:29,071 --> 00:08:37,813\n相關的計畫接下來還有好幾年後續有沒有要採購新的晶片我們之前質詢已經講了人家H100已經都量產了你再來買H100再來訂預算買到的時候人家已經是B200了我們現在再去編B200預算買到的時候人家已經不知道飛去哪裡了我們有沒有提前規劃提前規劃去購買下一個世代的算力來供業界運用有嗎\n\n31\n00:08:55,339 --> 00:09:14,014\n我們現在規劃的預算等到我們真正採購的時候一定當然會要針對最新的的那個設備那現在有沒有在編列B系列的預算?我們所編的預算那個楊老師好像有嗎?好像想幫忙解釋啊不好意思那個主席讓我因為他這個訊息很重要\n\n32\n00:09:15,094 --> 00:09:41,270\n我們國防中心在編列這邊的時候都會考慮未來新出來的那個計算機的那個型號啦是這樣子所以就是說我們先編列預算然後框預算到時候購買的時候但是用最新的機器的為主這個委員不用擔心好我們剛剛其實是非一體啦沒有關係希望真的是以最新的來講同時因為你去買這些東西真的緩不濟急現在有一些雲端的服務其實我自己很清楚啦\n\n33\n00:09:41,570 --> 00:09:45,432\n主委您覺得到底以前我們說世界各國想到晶圓代工想到台灣那未來呢?主委您覺得未來想到AI的什麼會直覺想到台灣到底是什麼?我們在這本裡沒有辦法看到\n\n34\n00:10:06,656 --> 00:10:35,798\n除了晶圓製造我們現在所有的雲端設備超級電腦這些硬體的設備大部分也都是台灣做的所以就是製造代工從晶圓代工到製造代工目前確定是這樣子目前的產業狀況但是我們想要改變也就是說利用這些強勢的我們的硬體的製造業能夠協助我們的應用產業的發展以及前瞻的AI的研究軟硬整合我想在座兩位老師都很清楚\n\n35\n00:10:36,539 --> 00:10:46,549\nFacebookRealityLab做影像辨識的實驗室在台灣某個水果公司的做那個最新產品我不能說太多研發實驗室也在台灣同時呢我們這個YOLO的這個系統在全世界都非常受歡迎我們軟體很強的我們應該要一起來最後最後一個點我們要作為產業跟科研的種子頭\n\n36\n00:11:00,282 --> 00:11:20,962\n因為您是主委也兼任政委所以所有關於台灣AI的推動小組、行動計畫、參考指引我上次已經朗讀過我就不再朗讀了還有台灣AICOE、應用專題中心、研究中心、A家、DigitalPlus、DigitalPlus2.0我還是忍不住朗讀起來讓您知道真的有多麼琳瑯滿目跟豐富\n\n37\n00:11:23,164 --> 00:11:37,541\n同時我也想要問這裡面還有很多東西細節是我們作為科研作為學研作為產業研發是沒有辦法了解的我4月份向各位提出建議到底有沒有要做我們一個YellowPage一站式的\n\n38\n00:11:37,981 --> 00:12:06,696\n列出科研學研我們有台灣LOM我們有台德我們還有這個機器狗這個機器人我們今天就不討論但是呢我們到底這個接下來您有回覆啦說要成立一個一站式的查詢頁面通查網可不可以請一下簡要說明啦說明一下第一這上面有沒有相關的這些計畫會名列第二後續的規劃如何第三什麼時候會建置完成\n\n39\n00:12:09,372 --> 00:12:29,469\n有沒有時間表這是誰寫的請他報告一下專業分工說明一下跟委員報告一下我們目前相關的跨部位的協調透過智慧國家方案在推動我們近期因為新的內閣的成員上來我們正在做那個\n\n40\n00:12:35,314 --> 00:12:35,354\n第3季．\n\n41\n00:12:54,711 --> 00:13:15,116\n一定要非常清楚一定要讓國外的人士可以很清楚知道台灣真的是AI的世界的中心真的是有非常強大的軟硬整合的實力我們作為這個粽子頭我們一定要讓大家尋線追查可以知道台灣有多少優秀的粽子可以來幫助AI產業持續發展我們也期待國會這邊扮演到非常重要的角色三個禮拜\n\n42\n00:13:20,677 --> 00:13:20,697\n謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3919\t6806\t謝謝主席。有請國科會吳誠文主委與數發部葉寧常務次長配訓。謝謝。好。有請吳主委葉次長。\n14721\t39314\t委員好謝謝主委今天的報告真的是很高興可以看到您上次投出一顆好球我們接住了我們丟回去您也接住了十月提出AI基本法的目標在這個報告裡面提了兩次不過你們前面留了期望兩個字那我們就一起期望但是我認為今天這份報告還是有一些地方希望能夠來跟主委探討一下首先\n40819\t66915\t我們發現這整份報告裡面對於對接國際的這個部分真的是有所缺憾我們很擔心我們的AI變成閉門造局今天你是國科會是在做未來方向的報告我們不用講裡面有一半以上都是在講現況未來是最重要的但是結果未來竟然只在最後的一頁跟一頁半那裡面有很多的細節以前也許有一些立委可能不是像我這麼宅不太懂\n67395\t85752\t但是今天因為底下有兩位都是我以前的老師他們都教得很好所以我懂所以我今天真的是要來討論一下首先以第8頁為例你們說因應AI發展算力的需求你們的這個方案預定在2024年底完成16 petaflops2025超越100 petaflops2028年完成200 petaflops\n93732\t119151\t老實說,隨便Google一下連GDP都不用問這個一比較起來是真的會流眼淚的我們到2024年才16現在印度的已經是410我還查過了他們的國民生產毛額或者是總體的這個所謂的全部累計的GDP我們也頂多就是四分之一啦七分之一啦除一下我覺得這個數字也真的有點可憐\n120772\t131123\t更不用講現在國外已經開始在用exaflops來做單位了我們這樣子真的是算力非常堪憂我想報告的第13頁開始總算未來佈局了但覺得有點單薄\n134482\t139567\t我們看到前面說我們要推動AI創新看到的案例只有三個例子當然有一個農業我覺得是不錯但提到這個所謂Computer 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Altman提出過邀約\n364697\t385895\t我們再來看上個星期黃仁勳去逛夜市16%的GDP跟他吃晚餐黃仁勳基於產業要求人都來到台灣了政府有沒有動作有沒有邀約相關產業的巨頭來聊有沒有跟黃仁勳聯繫我們平常就有在聯繫平常就有在聯繫有開會有討論我們的與打炸無關的人工智慧發展現況嗎\n389626\t417165\t我們真的是有點擔心覺得最近好像黃仁勳才是我們的科技政委黃仁勳才是我們的AI的總統這真的是不應該那我們接下來有沒有辦法期待有沒有跟科研有關的台灣的AI發展現況的AI原作會議他16%GDP我們能不能至少要到1.6%有沒有從國會主委這裡的角度您也是政委去建起賴總統是不是有一個這樣的原作會議結果變成黃仁勳在吃晚餐\n418006\t418367\t有沒有?目前沒有。\n423098\t447534\t希望我想您的角色真的非常重要希望您可以做到專業的協助讓我們的AI內閣真的是AI內閣那我們再來持續的來看我們樂見產業發展但是我們的規劃政策規劃要考慮到不是只有產業還有我們的所有的這個社會的發展文化的提升這些都是我們考慮的社會的發展文化的提升就是詐騙的防治\n449295\t449936\t主權AI是我們剛剛提出來的\n466311\t487202\t然後呢之前也很感謝啦我們之前執政黨說算力及國力接下來我們還要面臨到一個挑戰電力及國力這個今天我們暫時不討論前面有很多委員都討論了但是我們來看我們的算力是怎麼做的呢我們的算力是速發部要打造算力池我們國科會也有高速電腦網路中心啦我們來看速發部要買什麼32片H100\n492318\t506069\t我是真的齁大家去google一下就可以看到了齁一間Tesla公司的一個工廠德州的製造廠就要買5萬片的H100他的一個社群網站要買30萬片的B200請問\n509071\t517813\t相關的計畫接下來還有好幾年後續有沒有要採購新的晶片我們之前質詢已經講了人家H100已經都量產了你再來買H100再來訂預算買到的時候人家已經是B200了我們現在再去編B200預算買到的時候人家已經不知道飛去哪裡了我們有沒有提前規劃提前規劃去購買下一個世代的算力來供業界運用有嗎\n535339\t554014\t我們現在規劃的預算等到我們真正採購的時候一定當然會要針對最新的的那個設備那現在有沒有在編列B系列的預算?我們所編的預算那個楊老師好像有嗎?好像想幫忙解釋啊不好意思那個主席讓我因為他這個訊息很重要\n555094\t581270\t我們國防中心在編列這邊的時候都會考慮未來新出來的那個計算機的那個型號啦是這樣子所以就是說我們先編列預算然後框預算到時候購買的時候但是用最新的機器的為主這個委員不用擔心好我們剛剛其實是非一體啦沒有關係希望真的是以最新的來講同時因為你去買這些東西真的緩不濟急現在有一些雲端的服務其實我自己很清楚啦\n581570\t585432\t主委您覺得到底以前我們說世界各國想到晶圓代工想到台灣那未來呢?主委您覺得未來想到AI的什麼會直覺想到台灣到底是什麼?我們在這本裡沒有辦法看到\n606656\t635798\t除了晶圓製造我們現在所有的雲端設備超級電腦這些硬體的設備大部分也都是台灣做的所以就是製造代工從晶圓代工到製造代工目前確定是這樣子目前的產業狀況但是我們想要改變也就是說利用這些強勢的我們的硬體的製造業能夠協助我們的應用產業的發展以及前瞻的AI的研究軟硬整合我想在座兩位老師都很清楚\n636539\t646549\tFacebook Reality Lab做影像辨識的實驗室在台灣某個水果公司的做那個最新產品我不能說太多研發實驗室也在台灣同時呢我們這個YOLO的這個系統在全世界都非常受歡迎我們軟體很強的我們應該要一起來最後最後一個點我們要作為產業跟科研的種子頭\n660282\t680962\t因為您是主委也兼任政委所以所有關於台灣AI的推動小組、行動計畫、參考指引我上次已經朗讀過我就不再朗讀了還有台灣AICOE、應用專題中心、研究中心、A家、DigitalPlus、DigitalPlus 2.0我還是忍不住朗讀起來讓您知道真的有多麼琳瑯滿目跟豐富\n683164\t697541\t同時我也想要問這裡面還有很多東西細節是我們作為科研作為學研作為產業研發是沒有辦法了解的我4月份向各位提出建議到底有沒有要做我們一個Yellow Page一站式的\n697981\t726696\t列出科研學研我們有台灣LOM我們有台德我們還有這個機器狗這個機器人我們今天就不討論但是呢我們到底這個接下來您有回覆啦說要成立一個一站式的查詢頁面通查網可不可以請一下簡要說明啦說明一下第一這上面有沒有相關的這些計畫會名列第二後續的規劃如何第三什麼時候會建置完成\n729372\t749469\t有沒有時間表這是誰寫的請他報告一下專業分工說明一下跟委員報告一下我們目前相關的跨部位的協調透過智慧國家方案在推動我們近期因為新的內閣的成員上來我們正在做那個\n755314\t755354\t第3季．\n774711\t795116\t一定要非常清楚一定要讓國外的人士可以很清楚知道台灣真的是AI的世界的中心真的是有非常強大的軟硬整合的實力我們作為這個粽子頭我們一定要讓大家尋線追查可以知道台灣有多少優秀的粽子可以來幫助AI產業持續發展我們也期待國會這邊扮演到非常重要的角色三個禮拜\n800677\t800697\t謝謝委員\n","txt":"謝謝主席。有請國科會吳誠文主委與數發部葉寧常務次長配訓。謝謝。好。有請吳主委葉次長。\n委員好謝謝主委今天的報告真的是很高興可以看到您上次投出一顆好球我們接住了我們丟回去您也接住了十月提出AI基本法的目標在這個報告裡面提了兩次不過你們前面留了期望兩個字那我們就一起期望但是我認為今天這份報告還是有一些地方希望能夠來跟主委探討一下首先\n我們發現這整份報告裡面對於對接國際的這個部分真的是有所缺憾我們很擔心我們的AI變成閉門造局今天你是國科會是在做未來方向的報告我們不用講裡面有一半以上都是在講現況未來是最重要的但是結果未來竟然只在最後的一頁跟一頁半那裡面有很多的細節以前也許有一些立委可能不是像我這麼宅不太懂\n但是今天因為底下有兩位都是我以前的老師他們都教得很好所以我懂所以我今天真的是要來討論一下首先以第8頁為例你們說因應AI發展算力的需求你們的這個方案預定在2024年底完成16 petaflops2025超越100 petaflops2028年完成200 petaflops\n老實說,隨便Google一下連GDP都不用問這個一比較起來是真的會流眼淚的我們到2024年才16現在印度的已經是410我還查過了他們的國民生產毛額或者是總體的這個所謂的全部累計的GDP我們也頂多就是四分之一啦七分之一啦除一下我覺得這個數字也真的有點可憐\n更不用講現在國外已經開始在用exaflops來做單位了我們這樣子真的是算力非常堪憂我想報告的第13頁開始總算未來佈局了但覺得有點單薄\n我們看到前面說我們要推動AI創新看到的案例只有三個例子當然有一個農業我覺得是不錯但提到這個所謂Computer Vision辨識的地方我們覺得有點作為阿宅因為我是那個中研院廖所長的粉絲他們做了一個這個YOLO這個非常非常受歡迎的這個開發套件\n結果呢5月26號已經出了最新版這一份6月5號的報告竟然說YOLO是V7啦我就直接講啦現在已經第10代了V9已經是全球轟動了這個上個禮拜是出到第10代了我們這份最新的報告說我們台灣的中研院自己參與主導開發的YOLO是第7代\n真的是有點志強矛盾更不用講啦說什麼參數比較啦算力都沒有去缺這個所謂的跨國的訊息的同步跟比較然後呢我們這去了解各部會AI的成果好像溝通協調回來也就零零總總兩三樣\n我們真的很擔心到底各部會有沒有接您的球啊您發出去的這個訊息各部會有沒有回應啊陳建仁院長曾經說未來要推AI行動計畫3.0未來一定是由您來統籌規劃您投出去的球各個單位會接嗎你作為這個投撲手作為這個打擊者也好都應該是瞻仰這個全世界各地的狀況你有在看嗎各位稍微回應一下\n謝謝委員的指教因為我這個才第三個禮拜其實還沒有時間去拜訪各部會這真的是很遺憾不過我會努力做這個事有需要我們幫忙的地方我們一起來協作好不好謝謝您的誠意\n三個禮拜AI已經要跳帶囉我們每天在睡覺AI都在倍速成長喔黃仁勳講的喔所以我們不能把我們現在的時間當成以前的時間來看再來還有一點我看了非常憂心這一份報告很可能是我們接下來台灣6個月甚至是6年的發展方向其中關於AI的行政命令在美國\n或者是AI基本法在歐盟都非常重視利用AI打詐以及禁止AI被運用於詐騙請問這份報告裡面有沒有提到這個部分我有沒有看錯沒有啊我有沒有看錯\n主委 我有沒有看錯我們數位發展部的報告裡面有所以國科會不需要管這個事情科研不需要來協作嗎所以我們希望速發部的研發能力比國科會強嗎國科會當然學界研發能力比較強但是我們在各部位的分工上面我們有一些工作是速發部那我想未來我們報告改一下與打詐無關的人工智慧推動現況與未來方向好不好\n再來我們看2023年4月份OpenAI執行長Sam Altman跟日本首相岸田文雄會面會後Sam Altman表達對日本市場的重視並且考慮跟日本合作的可能結果呢?\n結果呢?今年的2024年是要更正嗎?\n時間暫停一下這邊有沒有?\n我剛剛講錯了是不是?\n現在要更正可以喔?\n沒有嗎?\nOK那我們繼續喔\n跟日本合作的可能 OpenAI 在官網宣布4月14日在日本設立亞洲第一個辦事處我們可以看到日本我們的鄰居日本好朋友對引進先進產業的企圖跟決心還有誠意主委那你們呢我就問一個問題你們執政團隊有沒有跟Sam Altman提出過邀約\n我們再來看上個星期黃仁勳去逛夜市16%的GDP跟他吃晚餐黃仁勳基於產業要求人都來到台灣了政府有沒有動作有沒有邀約相關產業的巨頭來聊有沒有跟黃仁勳聯繫我們平常就有在聯繫平常就有在聯繫有開會有討論我們的與打炸無關的人工智慧發展現況嗎\n我們真的是有點擔心覺得最近好像黃仁勳才是我們的科技政委黃仁勳才是我們的AI的總統這真的是不應該那我們接下來有沒有辦法期待有沒有跟科研有關的台灣的AI發展現況的AI原作會議他16%GDP我們能不能至少要到1.6%有沒有從國會主委這裡的角度您也是政委去建起賴總統是不是有一個這樣的原作會議結果變成黃仁勳在吃晚餐\n有沒有?目前沒有。\n希望我想您的角色真的非常重要希望您可以做到專業的協助讓我們的AI內閣真的是AI內閣那我們再來持續的來看我們樂見產業發展但是我們的規劃政策規劃要考慮到不是只有產業還有我們的所有的這個社會的發展文化的提升這些都是我們考慮的社會的發展文化的提升就是詐騙的防治\n主權AI是我們剛剛提出來的\n然後呢之前也很感謝啦我們之前執政黨說算力及國力接下來我們還要面臨到一個挑戰電力及國力這個今天我們暫時不討論前面有很多委員都討論了但是我們來看我們的算力是怎麼做的呢我們的算力是速發部要打造算力池我們國科會也有高速電腦網路中心啦我們來看速發部要買什麼32片H100\n我是真的齁大家去google一下就可以看到了齁一間Tesla公司的一個工廠德州的製造廠就要買5萬片的H100他的一個社群網站要買30萬片的B200請問\n相關的計畫接下來還有好幾年後續有沒有要採購新的晶片我們之前質詢已經講了人家H100已經都量產了你再來買H100再來訂預算買到的時候人家已經是B200了我們現在再去編B200預算買到的時候人家已經不知道飛去哪裡了我們有沒有提前規劃提前規劃去購買下一個世代的算力來供業界運用有嗎\n我們現在規劃的預算等到我們真正採購的時候一定當然會要針對最新的的那個設備那現在有沒有在編列B系列的預算?我們所編的預算那個楊老師好像有嗎?好像想幫忙解釋啊不好意思那個主席讓我因為他這個訊息很重要\n我們國防中心在編列這邊的時候都會考慮未來新出來的那個計算機的那個型號啦是這樣子所以就是說我們先編列預算然後框預算到時候購買的時候但是用最新的機器的為主這個委員不用擔心好我們剛剛其實是非一體啦沒有關係希望真的是以最新的來講同時因為你去買這些東西真的緩不濟急現在有一些雲端的服務其實我自己很清楚啦\n主委您覺得到底以前我們說世界各國想到晶圓代工想到台灣那未來呢?主委您覺得未來想到AI的什麼會直覺想到台灣到底是什麼?我們在這本裡沒有辦法看到\n除了晶圓製造我們現在所有的雲端設備超級電腦這些硬體的設備大部分也都是台灣做的所以就是製造代工從晶圓代工到製造代工目前確定是這樣子目前的產業狀況但是我們想要改變也就是說利用這些強勢的我們的硬體的製造業能夠協助我們的應用產業的發展以及前瞻的AI的研究軟硬整合我想在座兩位老師都很清楚\nFacebook Reality Lab做影像辨識的實驗室在台灣某個水果公司的做那個最新產品我不能說太多研發實驗室也在台灣同時呢我們這個YOLO的這個系統在全世界都非常受歡迎我們軟體很強的我們應該要一起來最後最後一個點我們要作為產業跟科研的種子頭\n因為您是主委也兼任政委所以所有關於台灣AI的推動小組、行動計畫、參考指引我上次已經朗讀過我就不再朗讀了還有台灣AICOE、應用專題中心、研究中心、A家、DigitalPlus、DigitalPlus 2.0我還是忍不住朗讀起來讓您知道真的有多麼琳瑯滿目跟豐富\n同時我也想要問這裡面還有很多東西細節是我們作為科研作為學研作為產業研發是沒有辦法了解的我4月份向各位提出建議到底有沒有要做我們一個Yellow Page一站式的\n列出科研學研我們有台灣LOM我們有台德我們還有這個機器狗這個機器人我們今天就不討論但是呢我們到底這個接下來您有回覆啦說要成立一個一站式的查詢頁面通查網可不可以請一下簡要說明啦說明一下第一這上面有沒有相關的這些計畫會名列第二後續的規劃如何第三什麼時候會建置完成\n有沒有時間表這是誰寫的請他報告一下專業分工說明一下跟委員報告一下我們目前相關的跨部位的協調透過智慧國家方案在推動我們近期因為新的內閣的成員上來我們正在做那個\n第3季．\n一定要非常清楚一定要讓國外的人士可以很清楚知道台灣真的是AI的世界的中心真的是有非常強大的軟硬整合的實力我們作為這個粽子頭我們一定要讓大家尋線追查可以知道台灣有多少優秀的粽子可以來幫助AI產業持續發展我們也期待國會這邊扮演到非常重要的角色三個禮拜\n謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.919 --> 00:06.806\n謝謝主席。有請國科會吳誠文主委與數發部葉寧常務次長配訓。謝謝。好。有請吳主委葉次長。\n\n00:14.721 --> 00:39.314\n委員好謝謝主委今天的報告真的是很高興可以看到您上次投出一顆好球我們接住了我們丟回去您也接住了十月提出AI基本法的目標在這個報告裡面提了兩次不過你們前面留了期望兩個字那我們就一起期望但是我認為今天這份報告還是有一些地方希望能夠來跟主委探討一下首先\n\n00:40.819 --> 01:06.915\n我們發現這整份報告裡面對於對接國際的這個部分真的是有所缺憾我們很擔心我們的AI變成閉門造局今天你是國科會是在做未來方向的報告我們不用講裡面有一半以上都是在講現況未來是最重要的但是結果未來竟然只在最後的一頁跟一頁半那裡面有很多的細節以前也許有一些立委可能不是像我這麼宅不太懂\n\n01:07.395 --> 01:25.752\n但是今天因為底下有兩位都是我以前的老師他們都教得很好所以我懂所以我今天真的是要來討論一下首先以第8頁為例你們說因應AI發展算力的需求你們的這個方案預定在2024年底完成16petaflops2025超越100petaflops2028年完成200petaflops\n\n01:33.732 --> 01:59.151\n老實說,隨便Google一下連GDP都不用問這個一比較起來是真的會流眼淚的我們到2024年才16現在印度的已經是410我還查過了他們的國民生產毛額或者是總體的這個所謂的全部累計的GDP我們也頂多就是四分之一啦七分之一啦除一下我覺得這個數字也真的有點可憐\n\n02:00.772 --> 02:11.123\n更不用講現在國外已經開始在用exaflops來做單位了我們這樣子真的是算力非常堪憂我想報告的第13頁開始總算未來佈局了但覺得有點單薄\n\n02:14.482 --> 02:19.567\n我們看到前面說我們要推動AI創新看到的案例只有三個例子當然有一個農業我覺得是不錯但提到這個所謂ComputerVision辨識的地方我們覺得有點作為阿宅因為我是那個中研院廖所長的粉絲他們做了一個這個YOLO這個非常非常受歡迎的這個開發套件\n\n02:39.106 --> 02:59.839\n結果呢5月26號已經出了最新版這一份6月5號的報告竟然說YOLO是V7啦我就直接講啦現在已經第10代了V9已經是全球轟動了這個上個禮拜是出到第10代了我們這份最新的報告說我們台灣的中研院自己參與主導開發的YOLO是第7代\n\n03:03.206 --> 03:19.351\n真的是有點志強矛盾更不用講啦說什麼參數比較啦算力都沒有去缺這個所謂的跨國的訊息的同步跟比較然後呢我們這去了解各部會AI的成果好像溝通協調回來也就零零總總兩三樣\n\n03:21.152 --> 03:35.082\n我們真的很擔心到底各部會有沒有接您的球啊您發出去的這個訊息各部會有沒有回應啊陳建仁院長曾經說未來要推AI行動計畫3.0未來一定是由您來統籌規劃您投出去的球各個單位會接嗎你作為這個投撲手作為這個打擊者也好都應該是瞻仰這個全世界各地的狀況你有在看嗎各位稍微回應一下\n\n03:50.003 --> 04:07.039\n謝謝委員的指教因為我這個才第三個禮拜其實還沒有時間去拜訪各部會這真的是很遺憾不過我會努力做這個事有需要我們幫忙的地方我們一起來協作好不好謝謝您的誠意\n\n04:09.361 --> 04:32.395\n三個禮拜AI已經要跳帶囉我們每天在睡覺AI都在倍速成長喔黃仁勳講的喔所以我們不能把我們現在的時間當成以前的時間來看再來還有一點我看了非常憂心這一份報告很可能是我們接下來台灣6個月甚至是6年的發展方向其中關於AI的行政命令在美國\n\n04:33.095 --> 04:45.505\n或者是AI基本法在歐盟都非常重視利用AI打詐以及禁止AI被運用於詐騙請問這份報告裡面有沒有提到這個部分我有沒有看錯沒有啊我有沒有看錯\n\n04:49.110 --> 05:15.377\n主委我有沒有看錯我們數位發展部的報告裡面有所以國科會不需要管這個事情科研不需要來協作嗎所以我們希望速發部的研發能力比國科會強嗎國科會當然學界研發能力比較強但是我們在各部位的分工上面我們有一些工作是速發部那我想未來我們報告改一下與打詐無關的人工智慧推動現況與未來方向好不好\n\n05:16.917 --> 05:32.364\n再來我們看2023年4月份OpenAI執行長SamAltman跟日本首相岸田文雄會面會後SamAltman表達對日本市場的重視並且考慮跟日本合作的可能結果呢?\n\n05:32.364 --> 05:33.665\n結果呢?今年的2024年是要更正嗎?\n\n05:33.665 --> 05:34.145\n時間暫停一下這邊有沒有?\n\n05:34.145 --> 05:34.685\n我剛剛講錯了是不是?\n\n05:34.685 --> 05:35.525\n現在要更正可以喔?\n\n05:35.525 --> 05:35.665\n沒有嗎?\n\n05:35.665 --> 05:36.106\nOK那我們繼續喔\n\n05:44.093 --> 06:02.635\n跟日本合作的可能OpenAI在官網宣布4月14日在日本設立亞洲第一個辦事處我們可以看到日本我們的鄰居日本好朋友對引進先進產業的企圖跟決心還有誠意主委那你們呢我就問一個問題你們執政團隊有沒有跟SamAltman提出過邀約\n\n06:04.697 --> 06:25.895\n我們再來看上個星期黃仁勳去逛夜市16%的GDP跟他吃晚餐黃仁勳基於產業要求人都來到台灣了政府有沒有動作有沒有邀約相關產業的巨頭來聊有沒有跟黃仁勳聯繫我們平常就有在聯繫平常就有在聯繫有開會有討論我們的與打炸無關的人工智慧發展現況嗎\n\n06:29.626 --> 06:57.165\n我們真的是有點擔心覺得最近好像黃仁勳才是我們的科技政委黃仁勳才是我們的AI的總統這真的是不應該那我們接下來有沒有辦法期待有沒有跟科研有關的台灣的AI發展現況的AI原作會議他16%GDP我們能不能至少要到1.6%有沒有從國會主委這裡的角度您也是政委去建起賴總統是不是有一個這樣的原作會議結果變成黃仁勳在吃晚餐\n\n06:58.006 --> 06:58.367\n有沒有?目前沒有。\n\n07:03.098 --> 07:27.534\n希望我想您的角色真的非常重要希望您可以做到專業的協助讓我們的AI內閣真的是AI內閣那我們再來持續的來看我們樂見產業發展但是我們的規劃政策規劃要考慮到不是只有產業還有我們的所有的這個社會的發展文化的提升這些都是我們考慮的社會的發展文化的提升就是詐騙的防治\n\n07:29.295 --> 07:29.936\n主權AI是我們剛剛提出來的\n\n07:46.311 --> 08:07.202\n然後呢之前也很感謝啦我們之前執政黨說算力及國力接下來我們還要面臨到一個挑戰電力及國力這個今天我們暫時不討論前面有很多委員都討論了但是我們來看我們的算力是怎麼做的呢我們的算力是速發部要打造算力池我們國科會也有高速電腦網路中心啦我們來看速發部要買什麼32片H100\n\n08:12.318 --> 08:26.069\n我是真的齁大家去google一下就可以看到了齁一間Tesla公司的一個工廠德州的製造廠就要買5萬片的H100他的一個社群網站要買30萬片的B200請問\n\n08:29.071 --> 08:37.813\n相關的計畫接下來還有好幾年後續有沒有要採購新的晶片我們之前質詢已經講了人家H100已經都量產了你再來買H100再來訂預算買到的時候人家已經是B200了我們現在再去編B200預算買到的時候人家已經不知道飛去哪裡了我們有沒有提前規劃提前規劃去購買下一個世代的算力來供業界運用有嗎\n\n08:55.339 --> 09:14.014\n我們現在規劃的預算等到我們真正採購的時候一定當然會要針對最新的的那個設備那現在有沒有在編列B系列的預算?我們所編的預算那個楊老師好像有嗎?好像想幫忙解釋啊不好意思那個主席讓我因為他這個訊息很重要\n\n09:15.094 --> 09:41.270\n我們國防中心在編列這邊的時候都會考慮未來新出來的那個計算機的那個型號啦是這樣子所以就是說我們先編列預算然後框預算到時候購買的時候但是用最新的機器的為主這個委員不用擔心好我們剛剛其實是非一體啦沒有關係希望真的是以最新的來講同時因為你去買這些東西真的緩不濟急現在有一些雲端的服務其實我自己很清楚啦\n\n09:41.570 --> 09:45.432\n主委您覺得到底以前我們說世界各國想到晶圓代工想到台灣那未來呢?主委您覺得未來想到AI的什麼會直覺想到台灣到底是什麼?我們在這本裡沒有辦法看到\n\n10:06.656 --> 10:35.798\n除了晶圓製造我們現在所有的雲端設備超級電腦這些硬體的設備大部分也都是台灣做的所以就是製造代工從晶圓代工到製造代工目前確定是這樣子目前的產業狀況但是我們想要改變也就是說利用這些強勢的我們的硬體的製造業能夠協助我們的應用產業的發展以及前瞻的AI的研究軟硬整合我想在座兩位老師都很清楚\n\n10:36.539 --> 10:46.549\nFacebookRealityLab做影像辨識的實驗室在台灣某個水果公司的做那個最新產品我不能說太多研發實驗室也在台灣同時呢我們這個YOLO的這個系統在全世界都非常受歡迎我們軟體很強的我們應該要一起來最後最後一個點我們要作為產業跟科研的種子頭\n\n11:00.282 --> 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