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00:02:56,633\n報告委員在打詐釋法通過之前我們短期的做法基本上有兩個第一個我們就設立一個公眾人物這些名人的通報的email好像說那個謝社長還有那個我們這個郭部長他那邊就是遇到這種狀況的話我們馬上跟他做確認確認以後我們就會馬上去通報LINE或者是臉書教求他們盡快去上你們是不是每天都接到通報啊\n\n9\n00:02:57,133 --> 00:03:25,130\n是,每天都是因為真的也有一些企業界的在反映他一個禮拜每一天都要再通報煩不生煩啊那我們的策略基本上兩個一個除了打砸司法這個法律的手段以外我們利用科技的手段那我們現在資安院每天會利用AI的方式去掃描網路這些社群平台然後去撿去找到那些可疑的詐騙的訊息然後我們在做人工篩選以後也會立刻\n\n10\n00:03:25,290 --> 00:03:33,997\n我覺得你們在末單去做這個只是累死大家而已。我覺得一定要在前端。你知道像這個黃仁勛有人直接的就寫信給臉書說你們都是這些都已經都是詐騙集團。臉書回覆給他說這個沒有違反他的廣告原則。\n\n11\n00:03:49,810 --> 00:04:05,184\n委員講的完全沒錯,所以我們現在需要打詐釋法,給我們法源的依據,讓我們可以給這些跨國網路平台更大的壓力,要求他們多段時間。不是給他們壓力啦,他們不能成為幫兇好不好。那個我想請法務部次長。\n\n12\n00:04:07,026 --> 00:04:08,387\n司法法制委會新政府上來之前就特別提到你們在這次司法裡面沒有針對律師你知道我們現在的律師涉入這些詐騙集團越來越多\n\n13\n00:04:23,820 --> 00:04:30,264\n知法犯法你今天去打開這些網頁很多律師呢他就做廣告說一定能幫你脫罪呀他成功幫你怎麼樣怎麼樣的可以減輕你的這個這個罪行啦或者幫你脫罪那所以剛才才講的為什麼檢調警察辛辛苦苦的去抓抓完了之後到了法院然後輕輕鬆鬆的他們就通通都被放出來\n\n14\n00:04:49,474 --> 00:05:10,893\n那因為這些律師很厲害,好,這些律師不只如此,還直接涉詐成為這些犯罪集團的首腦之一。他們還可以成立一個律師團,然後每一個車手派給你一個律師,然後互相串聯,然後知道這些車手,那麼你的辯護政策,你掌握的資訊,然後回報到詐騙集團的首腦。結果現在呢,你看辦了這麼多的詐騙案件,都跟律師有關。\n\n15\n00:05:17,438 --> 00:05:32,615\n所以事實上我已經提案我希望我們這個法務部也應該提案好來我們看下面我認為啊律師法官檢察官涉案這些知法犯法的人應該最佳一等\n\n16\n00:05:33,595 --> 00:05:53,445\n最加一等,不然他們不會怕的。所以我提案裡面呢,就是對於射詐的律師,在律師法裡面做修正。比如講,你只要判一審有罪,就是組織犯罪條例第三條第一項,就是跟詐騙有關的。你一審有罪,然後你就應該處民處分。\n\n17\n00:05:56,214 --> 00:06:14,865\n我們現在縣市首長就這樣一審有罪他這個縣市首長就被撤銷了那政治人物應該是有這樣的一個責任那律師呢是不是應該這樣子法委員我們這個禮拜就是要開會來檢討律師法這一部分的修正好那你們大概準備什麼時候會提出修正有招律師公會來的\n\n18\n00:06:18,683 --> 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