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--> 00:03:03,682\n部長您看到這樣有心裡作何感想?165反詐騙變成是詐騙集團的一個LOGO。其他委員也有這樣的質詢,我想還是一樣道高一尺磨高一壯,但是我們如果有比較好的法律基礎的話,我相信我們的四個部會合在一起應該還是有這個決心來打擊,尤其他投放這種假的部分,名人的部分都是我們未來要救援追溯的對象。\n\n9\n00:03:04,312 --> 00:03:32,886\n好部長所以我現在只很明確的跟你請教因為之前打詐無法的時候那個時候政府單位那時候你還是立法委員那時候打詐無法的時候政府單位有跟我們拍胸部保證阿現在無法通過了可以了可以嚇阻結果沒有1.0的時候也說可以嚇阻沒有1.5的時候也說可以嚇阻那現在本席值很明確的講在這一次打詐四法裡面這一些是不是能夠讓他小審逆擊\n\n10\n00:03:35,799 --> 00:04:01,737\n我想我們不敢講銷聲匿跡但是我要跟委員報告部分的如果我們沒有法律的話一定會更猖獗如果我們沒有法律的話一定會更猖獗所以你要相信我們的政府包括中央跟地方都要一起來努力那這樣子意思就是說我們這次的修法還不夠囉我們這次的修法的力度強度還是說我們已經想到的預防因為這一些都是老問題啊\n\n11\n00:04:03,118 --> 00:04:15,709\n這些不是新問題。你看,連這名人詐騙從一開始的時候,哇,賴清德總統的這個肖像被濫用,大家很關注,到現在丟出來沒有半個人覺得,這習以為常了。\n\n12\n00:04:17,213 --> 00:04:17,774\n審查委員陳亭妃等16人\n\n13\n00:04:36,147 --> 00:05:03,402\n在我們這個道路上打廣告嗎?不能。我們當然不能。那如果說不能的話,那為什麼能夠忍受詐騙集團在網路上打廣告?我們也不能忍受啊。是。所以我現在只是請教的是說,這一次的這個修法之後是不是能夠讓這一些廣告消神匿跡?我們盡量來努力。我們一定會非常的努力。那最後,部長請教,能不能在這次完了之後我們做一個大規模的這個網路上的一個掃黑?\n\n14\n00:05:04,844 --> 00:05:27,942\n就是如同說我們有這個專案嘛就譬如說我們在春節有治安專案那我們這一次修法如果說順利通過我們是不是能夠定來網路上一個大規模的一個掃黑掃除詐騙至少說我們用一切辦法來去把這些網路上不要再讓社群媒體上我覺得這真的是非常諷刺的狀況部長能不能宣示\n\n15\n00:05:28,422 --> 00:05:43,850\n是。紅委員所提的應該是說網路上面掃除這種詐欺、詐騙的危害。原則上跟黑好像有點不太一樣。就是掃除這些詐騙、掃黑嗎?我們盡量朝這個方向來努力。盡量朝這個方向。部長為什麼會提到這一點?因為這個是你\n\n16\n00:05:47,059 --> 00:06:07,700\n二零二三年質詢林右昌部長的話你那時候站在這個位置就是要求林右昌部長是說要來做一次大規模的掃黑啦是是那本席現在就是拜託既然您那時候是立法委員你是監督者現在您是主事者我沒有懷疑你要打擊詐騙的決心我沒有懷疑政府因為我們跟\n\n17\n00:06:08,661 --> 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