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00:02:27,281\n對阿要不然大家為什麼要截水對不對那我這樣子問齁就是我們原住民我是原住民選出來的立法委員我們原住民經常會來跟我陳情阿就是關於水之水量的保護區水資源回饋金的問題那我看到經濟部水利署公告全國\n\n8\n00:02:28,542 --> 00:02:57,370\n有114處是化射保護區那原鄉的部分呢有59處所以這個佔比大概是52%如果去用面積來算佔比的話那其實佔比是更大的那我以舉一個例子來講像是高雄有一個納瑪下區他們曾經全鄉的民意代表來跟我澄清就是有關他們的水資源回饋金的分配我請教部長\n\n9\n00:02:58,490 --> 00:03:12,735\n如果說他水資源回饋金他的分配比是3%但是他的隔壁箱下游箱假設是假先他的分配比是14.14%你覺得你的感受是什麼\n\n10\n00:03:16,655 --> 00:03:29,482\n這是依照人口跟面積的影響部長我跟您說感受一定不好啦這是相對剝奪感嘛但是我要講的他們其實是因為說他們是水源地水是水源地的守護者\n\n11\n00:03:30,262 --> 00:03:53,264\n那但是呢他們會不理解就是為什麼會差距這麼高所以我要特別在您的面前謝謝水利署因為水利署呢這三年多其實他們很盡心盡力的來協助納馬下區的一個困擾雖然還沒有結果但是很有進展我在這邊要特別謝謝水利署那另外我舉一個例子北區好了\n\n12\n00:03:53,985 --> 00:04:17,123\n全國原鄉水源保護區最大的面積的就是復興區桃園的復興區那他們曾經也來跟我澄清他們的訴求是什麼呢第一他們希望說他們分配到的水資源回饋金希望能夠去免檢據申辦那個錢也不多還要檢據來申請所以這個部分已經解決了因為可以原理\n\n13\n00:04:17,924 --> 00:04:32,493\n北水特局烏來他們已經處理了處理好那第二個訴求就是說能不能夠把回饋金的分配公式調整一下因為目前的公式是面積跟人口那他們以為這樣子調整就可以解決這個問題那第三個他們是說那就來治本\n\n14\n00:04:36,075 --> 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