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00:00:41,606\n委員好部長好首次見面很開心很高興謝謝很高興擔任我們的衛福部部長謝謝那也非常知道最近你才剛從國外回來那你率領的這個世衛行動組有跟這個江啟臣副院長然後率領這個我們不管不分黨派的立委有王振旭委員陳金輝委員跟林益君委員一起前往這個瑞士\n\n3\n00:00:42,526 --> 00:01:06,346\n的日內瓦為臺灣發聲先跟你說一聲辛苦了可是我相信今天還是有蠻多委員跟您分享到就是說在這個參加活動的途中當然這個我們希望說是大家要聚焦為了就是臺灣能加入WHA、WHO來做一份努力可是我們可以看到這個我有顯示幾張的這個照片\n\n4\n00:01:07,046 --> 00:01:17,338\n當然我們知道說這個有一些民團也有參與在背後就指了這些的標語那我相信很多委員都會覺得很不解請問加部長這些標語有助於我們參加這個WHO或WHA嗎?\n\n5\n00:01:25,326 --> 00:01:50,281\n很感佩委員可以拿到這幾張漂亮的照片有一張最右邊那張照片你還蠻帥的背後就舉了這樣的標語所以其實我們在這個所有的場合我們真的非常注意到外交的禮節外交的互動以及在一種和諧尊重所以我們這次特別要民團不要去圍著\n\n6\n00:01:52,022 --> 00:02:12,214\n為著那個譚德塞像去年吼,把他問到的吼,這樣一直把他逼問吼,但是今年還是有啦,但是對,民間團體我知道,但是還是,就是有禮貌多了啦,我們覺得我們臺灣人雖然我們覺得受到委屈,但是我們還是要\n\n7\n00:02:13,607 --> 00:02:13,627\n韓國瑜\n\n8\n00:02:31,474 --> 00:02:44,274\n是導團聯合國促進會還有歐洲、美洲、北美來的團是很多所以老實講我今天也第一次看到後面有這個牌子\n\n9\n00:02:45,703 --> 00:03:11,634\n我第一次看到好謝謝部長那我相信您的想法是一樣就大家應該要聚焦在我們臺灣未來真的可以參加WHO跟WHA是然後就是說那當然我們你剛剛也特別講到你現場有拜託這個民團的部分就是說國內當然有些時候我們大家意見不一致可是對外我們就是一致對外像未來其實從106年以後大家都很辛苦\n\n10\n00:03:12,794 --> 00:03:34,925\n所以這邊感謝部長大家的想法是一致的。接下來我要請教就是說當然台灣這個要加入這個國際的這個組織的時候很多的東西我相信應該要跟國際的標準是一致的尤其我這邊常常來這個上次沒有見到部長我上次就有提到說全台灣這個癌症\n\n11\n00:03:36,025 --> 00:03:58,921\n前三名第一名現在已經變成是肺癌那肺癌的話新聞這邊也有指出這個會讓人家得到肺癌的最主要的原因是這個空氣汙染那我跟這個部長報告現在臺灣整體的感覺是西安的人口有往下降然後現在外食族也比較多所以現在目前來講奇怪怎麼會變成是這個\n\n12\n00:04:02,124 --> 00:04:27,786\n的肺癌因為空氣污染得到肺癌的人數最嚴重所以這邊我是不是可以請部長這邊這點是我非常重視的就是台灣在監測空氣品質的一個部分是不是沒有辦法跟這個全世界接軌我們可以看到左邊這張圖不管是我們最造成肺腺癌最嚴重的PM10跟PM2.5的部分台灣的這個量劑基準都比國際上的是它的國際上的低\n\n13\n00:04:30,007 --> 00:04:46,789\n拜登比國際上的高,高了將近兩倍左右所以這個部分我相信我一直在講這人民有知的權利尤其在台灣是八成火力發電先不論政府的能源政策是否有誤可是現在有八成火力發電尤其到晚上尤其今天下雨太陽能發電是零\n\n14\n00:04:47,890 --> 00:05:13,459\n所以晚上的部分可能空氣污染品質會更糟糕所以是不是拜託部長我們是不是要讓民眾有知的權利這部分是不是可以來調整一下跟國際接軌讓人民知道說我要出去運動的時候現在台灣的空氣品質到底是如何如果我可以選擇我不去運動或出門的時候戴一個口罩我相信這樣子癌症尤其肺腺癌的問題可以我相信希望可以有效的降低部長你認同我的看法嗎\n\n15\n00:05:13,979 --> 00:05:34,894\n我非常認同,而且當然會議的原因我們要再請教一下會議的狀況但是空氣污染這個部分看起來是我不曉得加益是變成最高的那下一張,其實這個AQI這個部分\n\n16\n00:05:40,815 --> 00:06:02,338\n我真的很感謝那個委員你可能跟我幾年前的年紀比較差不多我也注重我自己跟我小孩自己運動沒錯沒錯因為大家都暴露在這個環境下所以我也曾經說我常常在跑重症紀念堂請你給我指示這個時候的我都叫我太太不要去跑那個時候如果太然後所以你的\n\n17\n00:06:03,539 --> 00:06:20,008\n你剛剛執行的部分剛好是我多年來一直在跟衛福部提的我也覺得應該要這樣子好謝謝部長那是不是可以給我一個預計的時間表一起來讓這個全民有知的權利有沒有可能性因為他們說很難\n\n18\n00:06:21,923 --> 00:06:22,063\n韓國瑜主席\n\n19\n00:06:39,709 --> 00:06:58,628\n拜託衛生環境部也跟他要求一下那我們那個衛生部再跟他共同努力那最後最後最後一個問題就是這個要幫這個基層的這個保姆來去做這個聲援我知道今天下午本來要開會可是我要先想先讓部長知道就是現行的準公共化保姆費合理嗎\n\n20\n00:06:59,329 --> 00:07:15,534\n因為我有遇到就是有民眾就是保姆他跟我講說他現在真的快要發瘋了因為就現在的這個轉公共化保姆在宅日間托育時間要10個小時可是你看台北市跟新北市帶一個小孩兩歲以下的小孩\n\n21\n00:07:16,704 --> 00:07:16,964\n拜託部長,這樣的標準\n\n22\n00:07:38,872 --> 00:08:00,044\n這個連最低工資可能都不到所以我說拜託部長這個部分可不可以來幫全天下的保母來因為台灣現在也少子化如果沒有這些保母願意帶那我要拜託部長這個部分我希望是不是中央可以來幫忙也不要增加我們一些年輕的爸媽他們如果未來這個生下來的壓力所以我希望說這點我已經在這個質詢的時候講過很多次了是不是可以拜託部長來幫忙\n\n23\n00:08:01,804 --> 00:08:26,572\n現在的價碼是這樣子嗎?下午會再跟委員那邊做討論所以部長你是不是也覺得看起來有點讓你覺得吃驚我覺得這個就是要很平啦在民眾的負擔我們今天不是少子化嗎?而且現在少子化變成說一個保姆他可能面對到兩個家庭給他的壓力他帶兩個大概基本上就差不多\n\n24\n00:08:27,532 --> 00:08:29,254\n我完全了解我三個小孩都是保姆帶的\n\n25\n00:08:52,973 --> 00:09:08,312\n對啊第一個小孩被保母一直外交能力好常常抱出去各個地方逛人家家裡然後每一個人都給他糖果吃害他吃得很胖我就想要換保母這樣子\n\n26\n00:09:10,075 --> 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信一定這件事情我們非常重視,非常重視。拜託部長幫我們追蹤一下,好不好?一定追蹤,一定追蹤。好,謝謝部長。好,謝謝委員,謝謝。好,謝謝張智倫委員的發言。本日會議詢答全部結束,委員陳冠廷所提出。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:08.433 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