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00:00:35,551\n陳委員早部長早部長我在這個廢棄物管理部分是我非常關心的一個議題之一那部長上週的業務報告也有提到這個失業廢棄物的管理計畫那近年4月我在質詢前部長的時候那環管署署長曾經表示末端垃圾的這個處理經費預算是相對高了很多大概都是幾倍那這是因為將部分的經費花在這個焚化爐的這個整改\n\n3\n00:00:38,573 --> 00:01:02,751\n還有這個掩埋場的加強措施嚴夏至於今年的垃圾處理量恐怕量能恐怕會出現更多的堆積所以我想請問部長到目前為止這些末端經費使用的加強措施究竟為了掩埋場帶來了什麼的效益那為什麼新竹蜂箱這個蜂箱5年內燒了快70次那還是沒看到掩埋場的這個效果\n\n4\n00:01:04,772 --> 00:01:31,392\n報告委員這個第一個現在我們的民眾的處理垃圾的方式有時候也會把打火機各種易燃物品在垃圾裡面其實也會造成這個垃圾更容易易燃那第二個是過去對於這個掩埋場的管理跟處置我們其實環境部特別針對這個部分有加強了監控還有包含了早氣等等的這個處理所以現在的其實未來在這個半年一年中其實應該會降低大幅度的這個火災的機會\n\n5\n00:01:33,457 --> 00:01:50,393\n所以部長了解掩埋廠有不乏一些易燃物當然塑膠紙類油紙都可能放在其中那請問部長您是否有考慮使用公民營廢棄物清除在清除處理機構許可管理辦法當中徵設一項就是說掩埋廠應該設有紅外線熱像系統\n\n6\n00:01:53,416 --> 00:01:56,839\n我們透過這個採購紅外線偵測儀來監控當超過溫度的時候它會灑水降溫那來降低整個掩埋場這個發生大火的一個風險有想過嗎好對謝謝委員關係其實我們今年已經有在補助了有在進行當中\n\n7\n00:02:09,731 --> 00:02:28,262\n已經開始進行這件事情?對,你要不要來報告一下?因為發生火災的次數實在太多了。是的,感謝委員關心新豐野霾場。他新豐野霾場主要的燃燒地點是在他堆置那個雜木的地方,幾乎都在燒那個地方,所以我們一直\n\n8\n00:02:29,102 --> 00:02:45,908\n跟這個信竹縣來商討這個地方是不是要做好掩埋跟早去收集另外委員關心的這個紅外線這個部分我們也一律補助還有消防水泡至少先從高風險或是經常在燒火的地方來先開始有開始很好謝謝部長\n\n9\n00:02:48,689 --> 00:03:12,925\n現在全台大概有108座公有掩埋場垃圾堆質量在近5年年年衝破千萬公噸所以還是有很大的進步空間本期從近半年內這個中科資源再生中心跟簽約設施新設這兩項管理部門來看其實對2024年整體的這個失業廢棄管理的成效是有限所以我也非常擔憂就是說\n\n10\n00:03:13,806 --> 00:03:28,421\n台灣的垃圾掩埋場已經趨於飽和了那整個這個焚化爐借齊老實說借零超零的都有嘛就是我們一直使用的一些整改的情形下想請問部長今年的垃圾堆置量是不是還是一樣\n\n11\n00:03:29,062 --> 00:03:54,947\n好,報告委員其實現在是84萬噸那再分散在107個這個暫置的掩埋場裡面那這個以後都會拿去分化爐燒的那目前還有350萬噸的空間分散在107個暫置場也有暫置場問題請部長看左邊這張圖下一張這個民團實力走訪他把台灣本島垃圾暫置場大致點出來了你可以看到這雲嘉南南投台東\n\n12\n00:03:56,047 --> 00:04:16,792\n每個縣市平均超過10個戰車場那這些戰車場大部分是在掩埋場跟清潔處的附近那這些密集的縣市周圍事實上缺乏完整的垃圾管理措施或是調度出的問題所以導致垃圾一直堆置完全沒有辦法消耗掉那薛前部長說過公有民營的焚化爐的處理事業廢棄物那個單價比較高\n\n13\n00:04:24,153 --> 00:04:36,561\n所以我認為這個垃圾堆置的原因還是有事業廢棄物會排擠家戶垃圾處理的可能性所以第一個我想問部長這些佔地場越來越多不就是這個原因嗎?\n\n14\n00:04:37,792 --> 00:05:04,859\n對其實這個事業廢棄物是佔了大概180萬噸不是最主要的還是屬於這個我們這個焚化爐它過去整改的量不夠但是目前來看的話比去年好現在已經681萬噸了增加了30萬噸未來會到700萬噸所以這個的消化會逐步的消化我們的這個暫存的量那剛剛委員提到的說垃圾的這個掩埋場的管理像這個部分我們會加強來處理那我們也編列了相關的大概有兩億多的經費來處理這個這些事情\n\n15\n00:05:07,260 --> 00:05:30,257\n那部長你對於這個戰事場垃圾有處理的規劃嗎?戰事場的部分還是就任由他放著?報告委員其實我早上還在跟我們署長在討論我們到底什麼時候可以把戰存場能夠降到去化掉那這個還要幾年的時間因為這個戰事場分散到各個縣市那各個縣市其實也是必須學習說有些縣市不願意幫別的縣市燒\n\n16\n00:05:30,998 --> 00:05:46,054\n那這個暫時的時程可能是不是請我也有機會瞭解一下如果你們有訂出來我們正在討論當中但是這個時間點可能還要再延商一下下那部長長期看起來你盧列的管理方針有\n\n17\n00:05:46,414 --> 00:05:46,554\n同意同意\n\n18\n00:06:11,129 --> 00:06:27,385\n因為貴府聽說也已經捕捉了各縣市有長達推動半年以上42個減速市場那另外再請教那貴府去年減速計畫的數據化的效益如何呢?就是減速化的成果如何呢?\n\n19\n00:06:28,325 --> 00:06:40,473\n我們是就4個主要的項目包括說購用塑膠袋、吸管還有飲料杯這樣子那像購用塑膠袋我們大概實施之後大概是減量了大概一半就是一年有減少110個\n\n20\n00:06:42,693 --> 00:06:48,775\n可是部長你來看我下面這張圖左邊這張圖是我之前質詢用的曾經提到左邊這張圖塑膠袋這個是來自經濟部的資料塑膠袋在10年成長14.4%塑膠參與成長了68.7%但是今天的報告中我想請教部長那這個你右邊這張圖就是剛剛這個市長來報告的\n\n21\n00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:06,960\n陳昭姿\n\n22\n00:07:20,599 --> 00:07:21,219\n大根﹗\n\n23\n00:07:39,174 --> 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同意\n371129\t387385\t因為貴府聽說也已經捕捉了各縣市有長達推動半年以上42個減速市場那另外再請教那貴府去年減速計畫的數據化的效益如何呢?就是減速化的成果如何呢?\n388325\t400473\t我們是就4個主要的項目包括說購用塑膠袋、吸管還有飲料杯這樣子那像購用塑膠袋我們大概實施之後大概是減量了大概一半就是一年有減少110個\n402693\t408775\t可是部長你來看我下面這張圖左邊這張圖是我之前質詢用的曾經提到左邊這張圖塑膠袋這個是來自經濟部的資料塑膠袋在10年成長14.4%塑膠參與成長了68.7%但是今天的報告中我想請教部長那這個你右邊這張圖就是剛剛這個市長來報告的\n426920\t426960\t陳昭姿\n440599\t441219\t大根﹗\n459174\t483944\t跟委員報告就是經濟部這個呢他是包括我們整個產業還有生活面所以說像我們工廠使用這些袋模類都包括在內那右邊這個是我們就生活面裡面大家民眾消費量最多最可以減少的幾個主要項目來做統計購物袋也不夠啊你說處理垃圾錢就你只選擇購物用的垃圾袋好像這個分母也不太正確\n486993\t501804\t這個的確齁,例如說像我們也跟委員報告我發現就是說我們只要推動這個要減塑這個媒體就會說要多生收然後就引發很大的反彈所以我們現在想要用別的方式來推動更好的這種減塑的文化啦\n502517\t503038\t謝謝陳昭姿委員\n","txt":"邀請部長\n陳委員早部長早部長我在這個廢棄物管理部分是我非常關心的一個議題之一那部長上週的業務報告也有提到這個失業廢棄物的管理計畫那近年4月我在質詢前部長的時候那環管署署長曾經表示末端垃圾的這個處理經費預算是相對高了很多大概都是幾倍那這是因為將部分的經費花在這個焚化爐的這個整改\n還有這個掩埋場的加強措施嚴夏至於今年的垃圾處理量恐怕量能恐怕會出現更多的堆積所以我想請問部長到目前為止這些末端經費使用的加強措施究竟為了掩埋場帶來了什麼的效益那為什麼新竹蜂箱這個蜂箱5年內燒了快70次那還是沒看到掩埋場的這個效果\n報告委員 這個第一個現在我們的民眾的處理垃圾的方式有時候也會把打火機各種易燃物品在垃圾裡面其實也會造成這個垃圾更容易易燃那第二個是過去對於這個掩埋場的管理跟處置我們其實環境部特別針對這個部分有加強了監控還有包含了早氣等等的這個處理所以現在的其實未來在這個半年一年中其實應該會降低大幅度的這個火災的機會\n所以部長了解掩埋廠有不乏一些易燃物當然塑膠紙類油紙都可能放在其中那請問部長您是否有考慮使用公民營廢棄物清除在清除處理機構許可管理辦法當中徵設一項就是說掩埋廠應該設有紅外線熱像系統\n我們透過這個採購紅外線偵測儀來監控當超過溫度的時候它會灑水降溫那來降低整個掩埋場這個發生大火的一個風險有想過嗎好對謝謝委員關係其實我們今年已經有在補助了有在進行當中\n已經開始進行這件事情?對,你要不要來報告一下?因為發生火災的次數實在太多了。是的,感謝委員關心新豐野霾場。他新豐野霾場主要的燃燒地點是在他堆置那個雜木的地方,幾乎都在燒那個地方,所以我們一直\n跟這個信竹縣來商討這個地方是不是要做好掩埋跟早去收集另外委員關心的這個紅外線這個部分我們也一律補助還有消防水泡至少先從高風險或是經常在燒火的地方來先開始有開始很好謝謝部長\n現在全台大概有108座公有掩埋場垃圾堆質量在近5年年年衝破千萬公噸所以還是有很大的進步空間本期從近半年內這個中科資源再生中心跟簽約設施新設這兩項管理部門來看其實對2024年整體的這個失業廢棄管理的成效是有限所以我也非常擔憂就是說\n台灣的垃圾掩埋場已經趨於飽和了那整個這個焚化爐借齊老實說借零超零的都有嘛就是我們一直使用的一些整改的情形下想請問部長今年的垃圾堆置量是不是還是一樣\n好,報告委員其實現在是84萬噸那再分散在107個這個暫置的掩埋場裡面那這個以後都會拿去分化爐燒的那目前還有350萬噸的空間分散在107個暫置場也有暫置場問題請部長看左邊這張圖下一張這個民團實力走訪他把台灣本島垃圾暫置場大致點出來了你可以看到這雲嘉南南投台東\n每個縣市平均超過10個戰車場那這些戰車場大部分是在掩埋場跟清潔處的附近那這些密集的縣市周圍事實上缺乏完整的垃圾管理措施或是調度出的問題所以導致垃圾一直堆置完全沒有辦法消耗掉那薛前部長說過公有民營的焚化爐的處理事業廢棄物那個單價比較高\n所以我認為這個垃圾堆置的原因還是有事業廢棄物會排擠家戶垃圾處理的可能性所以第一個我想問部長這些佔地場越來越多不就是這個原因嗎?\n對其實這個事業廢棄物是佔了大概180萬噸不是最主要的還是屬於這個我們這個焚化爐它過去整改的量不夠但是目前來看的話比去年好現在已經681萬噸了增加了30萬噸未來會到700萬噸所以這個的消化會逐步的消化我們的這個暫存的量那剛剛委員提到的說垃圾的這個掩埋場的管理像這個部分我們會加強來處理那我們也編列了相關的大概有兩億多的經費來處理這個這些事情\n那部長你對於這個戰事場垃圾有處理的規劃嗎?戰事場的部分還是就任由他放著?報告委員其實我早上還在跟我們署長在討論我們到底什麼時候可以把戰存場能夠降到去化掉那這個還要幾年的時間因為這個戰事場分散到各個縣市那各個縣市其實也是必須學習說有些縣市不願意幫別的縣市燒\n那這個暫時的時程可能是不是請我也有機會瞭解一下如果你們有訂出來我們正在討論當中但是這個時間點可能還要再延商一下下那部長長期看起來你盧列的管理方針有\n同意 同意\n因為貴府聽說也已經捕捉了各縣市有長達推動半年以上42個減速市場那另外再請教那貴府去年減速計畫的數據化的效益如何呢?就是減速化的成果如何呢?\n我們是就4個主要的項目包括說購用塑膠袋、吸管還有飲料杯這樣子那像購用塑膠袋我們大概實施之後大概是減量了大概一半就是一年有減少110個\n可是部長你來看我下面這張圖左邊這張圖是我之前質詢用的曾經提到左邊這張圖塑膠袋這個是來自經濟部的資料塑膠袋在10年成長14.4%塑膠參與成長了68.7%但是今天的報告中我想請教部長那這個你右邊這張圖就是剛剛這個市長來報告的\n陳昭姿\n大根﹗\n跟委員報告就是經濟部這個呢他是包括我們整個產業還有生活面所以說像我們工廠使用這些袋模類都包括在內那右邊這個是我們就生活面裡面大家民眾消費量最多最可以減少的幾個主要項目來做統計購物袋也不夠啊你說處理垃圾錢就你只選擇購物用的垃圾袋好像這個分母也不太正確\n這個的確齁,例如說像我們也跟委員報告我發現就是說我們只要推動這個要減塑這個媒體就會說要多生收然後就引發很大的反彈所以我們現在想要用別的方式來推動更好的這種減塑的文化啦\n謝謝陳昭姿委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.034 --> 00:06.337\n邀請部長\n\n00:12.095 --> 00:35.551\n陳委員早部長早部長我在這個廢棄物管理部分是我非常關心的一個議題之一那部長上週的業務報告也有提到這個失業廢棄物的管理計畫那近年4月我在質詢前部長的時候那環管署署長曾經表示末端垃圾的這個處理經費預算是相對高了很多大概都是幾倍那這是因為將部分的經費花在這個焚化爐的這個整改\n\n00:38.573 --> 01:02.751\n還有這個掩埋場的加強措施嚴夏至於今年的垃圾處理量恐怕量能恐怕會出現更多的堆積所以我想請問部長到目前為止這些末端經費使用的加強措施究竟為了掩埋場帶來了什麼的效益那為什麼新竹蜂箱這個蜂箱5年內燒了快70次那還是沒看到掩埋場的這個效果\n\n01:04.772 --> 01:31.392\n報告委員這個第一個現在我們的民眾的處理垃圾的方式有時候也會把打火機各種易燃物品在垃圾裡面其實也會造成這個垃圾更容易易燃那第二個是過去對於這個掩埋場的管理跟處置我們其實環境部特別針對這個部分有加強了監控還有包含了早氣等等的這個處理所以現在的其實未來在這個半年一年中其實應該會降低大幅度的這個火災的機會\n\n01:33.457 --> 01:50.393\n所以部長了解掩埋廠有不乏一些易燃物當然塑膠紙類油紙都可能放在其中那請問部長您是否有考慮使用公民營廢棄物清除在清除處理機構許可管理辦法當中徵設一項就是說掩埋廠應該設有紅外線熱像系統\n\n01:53.416 --> 01:56.839\n我們透過這個採購紅外線偵測儀來監控當超過溫度的時候它會灑水降溫那來降低整個掩埋場這個發生大火的一個風險有想過嗎好對謝謝委員關係其實我們今年已經有在補助了有在進行當中\n\n02:09.731 --> 02:28.262\n已經開始進行這件事情?對,你要不要來報告一下?因為發生火災的次數實在太多了。是的,感謝委員關心新豐野霾場。他新豐野霾場主要的燃燒地點是在他堆置那個雜木的地方,幾乎都在燒那個地方,所以我們一直\n\n02:29.102 --> 02:45.908\n跟這個信竹縣來商討這個地方是不是要做好掩埋跟早去收集另外委員關心的這個紅外線這個部分我們也一律補助還有消防水泡至少先從高風險或是經常在燒火的地方來先開始有開始很好謝謝部長\n\n02:48.689 --> 03:12.925\n現在全台大概有108座公有掩埋場垃圾堆質量在近5年年年衝破千萬公噸所以還是有很大的進步空間本期從近半年內這個中科資源再生中心跟簽約設施新設這兩項管理部門來看其實對2024年整體的這個失業廢棄管理的成效是有限所以我也非常擔憂就是說\n\n03:13.806 --> 03:28.421\n台灣的垃圾掩埋場已經趨於飽和了那整個這個焚化爐借齊老實說借零超零的都有嘛就是我們一直使用的一些整改的情形下想請問部長今年的垃圾堆置量是不是還是一樣\n\n03:29.062 --> 03:54.947\n好,報告委員其實現在是84萬噸那再分散在107個這個暫置的掩埋場裡面那這個以後都會拿去分化爐燒的那目前還有350萬噸的空間分散在107個暫置場也有暫置場問題請部長看左邊這張圖下一張這個民團實力走訪他把台灣本島垃圾暫置場大致點出來了你可以看到這雲嘉南南投台東\n\n03:56.047 --> 04:16.792\n每個縣市平均超過10個戰車場那這些戰車場大部分是在掩埋場跟清潔處的附近那這些密集的縣市周圍事實上缺乏完整的垃圾管理措施或是調度出的問題所以導致垃圾一直堆置完全沒有辦法消耗掉那薛前部長說過公有民營的焚化爐的處理事業廢棄物那個單價比較高\n\n04:24.153 --> 04:36.561\n所以我認為這個垃圾堆置的原因還是有事業廢棄物會排擠家戶垃圾處理的可能性所以第一個我想問部長這些佔地場越來越多不就是這個原因嗎?\n\n04:37.792 --> 05:04.859\n對其實這個事業廢棄物是佔了大概180萬噸不是最主要的還是屬於這個我們這個焚化爐它過去整改的量不夠但是目前來看的話比去年好現在已經681萬噸了增加了30萬噸未來會到700萬噸所以這個的消化會逐步的消化我們的這個暫存的量那剛剛委員提到的說垃圾的這個掩埋場的管理像這個部分我們會加強來處理那我們也編列了相關的大概有兩億多的經費來處理這個這些事情\n\n05:07.260 --> 05:30.257\n那部長你對於這個戰事場垃圾有處理的規劃嗎?戰事場的部分還是就任由他放著?報告委員其實我早上還在跟我們署長在討論我們到底什麼時候可以把戰存場能夠降到去化掉那這個還要幾年的時間因為這個戰事場分散到各個縣市那各個縣市其實也是必須學習說有些縣市不願意幫別的縣市燒\n\n05:30.998 --> 05:46.054\n那這個暫時的時程可能是不是請我也有機會瞭解一下如果你們有訂出來我們正在討論當中但是這個時間點可能還要再延商一下下那部長長期看起來你盧列的管理方針有\n\n05:46.414 --> 05:46.554\n同意同意\n\n06:11.129 --> 06:27.385\n因為貴府聽說也已經捕捉了各縣市有長達推動半年以上42個減速市場那另外再請教那貴府去年減速計畫的數據化的效益如何呢?就是減速化的成果如何呢?\n\n06:28.325 --> 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