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00:02:49,646\n未來就是看你的那個解方因為現在疫情已經是解封的狀態那第二個垃圾減量政策過去重點都花在末端處理那我們的政策方向是否有錯誤為什麼因為垃圾越減越多啊那你現在一直在花錢在處理末端那這個政策是不是有錯誤\n\n10\n00:02:50,627 --> 00:03:15,089\n其實現在的資源循環的比例也顯著的增多啦齁那所以剛剛講過一邊增長一邊下降那我們未來呢會如果這個資源循環促進法我們希望在年底能夠提出來之後應該可以有效整合各個部分因為其實也報告委員說我們所有的資源齁所有的資源其實掌握在我們的各個政府在管理的項目裡面所以我們環境部很積極的希望能夠推出這個資源循環促進法\n\n11\n00:03:15,689 --> 00:03:37,954\n希望在年底能夠草案能夠先預告出來所以如果這個法案通過的話更有效去把各種的資源合在一起這更能夠有效的來管理好那希望這個法趕快在年底的時候可以送出那部長再問你就是說因為院長也提到老問題要找新方法新問題要找好方法\n\n12\n00:03:38,334 --> 00:04:02,338\n所以你有沒有想到未來整個垃圾處理量的這個有沒有好的方法?好,報告委員我有去看了一些SRF或是一些垃圾場的確環境條件沒有那麼好所以我有特別跟我們的同仁討論到一個議題就是說我們過去環保署是比較管制的角度我們現在是環境部了所以我們應該呢把這個所謂的業界在一起\n\n13\n00:04:02,438 --> 00:04:31,858\n我們過去想到業界可能是我們的工業局或是經濟部的事情但是我們現在是部了所以我們如何把我們相關的資源循環的相關的產業能夠聚集在一起幫助他們也解決我們的問題所以我目前希望說有不一樣的讓他們籌組一個聯盟的方式把一些產官學員能夠在一個平台裡面來討論這個事情更明確之後我希望有一個半年的時間然後我們到大院把這個草案送到這個看能不能在年底的時候能夠預告出來\n\n14\n00:04:32,798 --> 00:04:55,634\n這個會更周圍一點這樣子表示也有在做社會溝通要社會溝通所以部長就要來我要為地方的百姓發聲我們的熱色我們的戰事場問題已經困擾百姓非常久了雖然我是不分區的立委可是我有任養桃園市所以地方的事務也非常關心所以希望透過這樣質詢讓部長能夠正視地方的熱色問題\n\n15\n00:04:59,577 --> 00:05:00,458\n新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞\n\n16\n00:05:11,308 --> 00:05:11,328\n第3個齁\n\n17\n00:05:41,047 --> 00:05:58,234\n市長剛剛陳道志委員也提到嘛就是火災這個這件事情在桃園的我們的眼海上也常常發生火災已經是見怪不怪了可是造成空氣汙染我比較擔心的是耳哨因為距離學校蠻近的那這大家都變孩子都要上課戴口罩\n\n18\n00:05:59,494 --> 00:06:20,123\n昨年桃園大塊西掩埋場為例的話火災影響到周邊數十間學校所以我不知道有沒有機會到時候是不是也歡迎彭部長跟我一起到我的任陽的選區去走走但我不是要去看棒球也不是要去看籃球我希望的是能夠來看到到底掩埋場\n\n19\n00:06:21,744 --> 00:06:47,939\n我希望還是能夠去聆聽民眾的聲音因為剛剛聽起來部長是很願意做社會溝通的我也非常樂意我也很樂意去看這個掩埋場去看完之後真的還是要去思考怎麼解決了所以部長根據綠色和平的調查現在已經100座的垃圾的那個擱置場許多擱置場都有規劃提到剛剛前面的那個三個問題可是這些眼藍是臺灣的垃圾三月百月\n\n20\n00:06:48,459 --> 00:07:04,071\n那所以我不知道我來自二少界我發現這些都距離學校跟我們的離水源區都非常近那對孩子的健康是有疑慮的所以問部長說你有沒有針對這個有統籌的管理辦法嗎未來退場機制是什麼\n\n21\n00:07:04,694 --> 00:07:24,793\n目前就是等到我們這個焚化爐整改上來之後還有新的上來之後這個就會陸續的去化當中那委員提到的問題我們現在正在有幾個特別的案例我們正在處理例如說他離水源地我們會特別的妥善來處理但你看到那個火災燒的惡臭的其實已經都在改善當中了\n\n22\n00:07:25,493 --> 00:07:53,901\n我們希望也要持續因為畢竟要解決因為畢竟跟學校這麼有接近的話事實上對孩子的健康我是非常關心的可是垃圾問題不是民不自身問題也有可能是政治問題因為目前就在開打那個垃圾大戰垃圾擱置呢焚燒還有運送都有可能是各縣市之間的利益交換可是人民常常是不知情不知不覺用了\n\n23\n00:07:54,531 --> 00:07:59,912\n目前全台這些跨縣市的垃圾問題環境部的角色是什麼因為中央畢竟你還是要給地方一些政策方向然後讓他們可以去做所以有沒有做能量的調度的協調\n\n24\n00:08:19,977 --> 00:08:47,502\n有報告委員這個調度呢就是我們環境管理署在做跨區域的調度這個有在進行當中已經早已經一段時間那我們跟各縣市環保局也都有密切的配合所以這種所謂的調度就是在我們這邊在處理的好那是不是也可以給我們更完整的那個書面資料那再來就是要跟部長去討論預算問題也就是從環談的研究來看環境部在廢棄物末端處理要花將近17.7億\n\n25\n00:08:49,102 --> 00:08:49,202\n主席\n\n26\n00:09:13,407 --> 00:09:30,136\n請我們署長來報告這個源頭管理是是是那各位報告那我們現在源頭管理呢我們會有在這個綠色設計循環採購都有一些工作的推動那特別是說我們還要去做一些資源回收讓這個我們的產業就是可以建立那個商業模式\n\n27\n00:09:30,609 --> 00:09:55,279\n那這邊都有一些相關的人員還有經費來投入其實報告委員我們那個前兩天有一個新聞稿就是我請他們算出來我們的資源循環的相關的產業1400億所以我們會用公司協議的方式來推動這些事情那當然啦過去的這個源頭的費用是都是宣導做這個事情不夠啦那我會逐步的來調整這件事情那在環部部長這邊真的要多\n\n28\n00:09:56,207 --> 00:09:57,187\n謝謝林月琴委員的發言\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n8319\t9307\t謝謝主席 邀請我們的部長\n13220\t39002\t林委員早部長早我有看過你針對我們的廢棄物的報告寫的非常詳細方法也很多可是我4月的時候諮詢的時候我就有提到說如果沒有面對問題的核心的話再多的方法也是沒有用所以應該要去訂定目標甚至要解決的問題是什麼甚至到底這個廢棄物你要減量多少所以今天就一一來跟部長這邊探討一些相關的問題\n40510\t40530\t委員會長\n59230\t60251\t新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞\n76966\t93743\t所以廢棄物的處理本身希望你能夠做到事實上是源頭管理另外地方政府跟居民比較頭痛的垃圾戰爭這個問題的話也希望能夠要做好社會溝通那我們就來看就是說\n95385\t109755\t在我上次質詢完沒多久我們的那個環境資訊中心就報導說那我們8年來國人的垃圾是越減越多所以部長是不是可以有幾點跟我們說明一下第一個國人\n110735\t126135\t人口進來是越來越少那怎麼會熱色越來越好問題到底出在哪裡這是想說請部長可不可以做一個說明報告委員兩個部分一個是算法的問題就是說我們有統計的現在我們的整一次\n127176\t127336\t部長已經掌握到問題的話\n151348\t169646\t未來就是看你的那個解方因為現在疫情已經是解封的狀態那第二個垃圾減量政策過去重點都花在末端處理那我們的政策方向是否有錯誤為什麼因為垃圾越減越多啊那你現在一直在花錢在處理末端那這個政策是不是有錯誤\n170627\t195089\t其實現在的資源循環的比例也顯著的增多啦齁那所以剛剛講過一邊增長一邊下降那我們未來呢會如果這個資源循環促進法我們希望在年底能夠提出來之後應該可以有效整合各個部分因為其實也報告委員說我們所有的資源齁所有的資源其實掌握在我們的各個政府在管理的項目裡面所以我們環境部很積極的希望能夠推出這個資源循環促進法\n195689\t217954\t希望在年底能夠草案能夠先預告出來所以如果這個法案通過的話更有效去把各種的資源合在一起這更能夠有效的來管理好那希望這個法趕快在年底的時候可以送出那部長再問你就是說因為院長也提到老問題要找新方法新問題要找好方法\n218334\t242338\t所以你有沒有想到未來整個垃圾處理量的這個有沒有好的方法?好,報告委員我有去看了一些SRF或是一些垃圾場的確環境條件沒有那麼好所以我有特別跟我們的同仁討論到一個議題就是說我們過去環保署是比較管制的角度我們現在是環境部了所以我們應該呢把這個所謂的業界在一起\n242438\t271858\t我們過去想到業界可能是我們的工業局或是經濟部的事情但是我們現在是部了所以我們如何把我們相關的資源循環的相關的產業能夠聚集在一起幫助他們也解決我們的問題所以我目前希望說有不一樣的讓他們籌組一個聯盟的方式把一些產官學員能夠在一個平台裡面來討論這個事情更明確之後我希望有一個半年的時間然後我們到大院把這個草案送到這個看能不能在年底的時候能夠預告出來\n272798\t295634\t這個會更周圍一點這樣子表示也有在做社會溝通要社會溝通所以部長就要來我要為地方的百姓發聲我們的熱色我們的戰事場問題已經困擾百姓非常久了雖然我是不分區的立委可是我有任養桃園市所以地方的事務也非常關心所以希望透過這樣質詢讓部長能夠正視地方的熱色問題\n299577\t300458\t新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞\n311308\t311328\t第3個齁\n341047\t358234\t市長剛剛陳道志委員也提到嘛就是火災這個這件事情在桃園的我們的眼海上也常常發生火災已經是見怪不怪了可是造成空氣汙染我比較擔心的是耳哨因為距離學校蠻近的那這大家都變孩子都要上課戴口罩\n359494\t380123\t昨年桃園大塊西掩埋場為例的話火災影響到周邊數十間學校所以我不知道有沒有機會到時候是不是也歡迎彭部長跟我一起到我的任陽的選區去走走但我不是要去看棒球也不是要去看籃球我希望的是能夠來看到到底掩埋場\n381744\t407939\t我希望還是能夠去聆聽民眾的聲音因為剛剛聽起來部長是很願意做社會溝通的我也非常樂意我也很樂意去看這個掩埋場去看完之後真的還是要去思考怎麼解決了所以部長根據綠色和平的調查現在已經100座的垃圾的那個擱置場許多擱置場都有規劃提到剛剛前面的那個三個問題可是這些眼藍是臺灣的垃圾三月百月\n408459\t424071\t那所以我不知道我來自二少界我發現這些都距離學校跟我們的離水源區都非常近那對孩子的健康是有疑慮的所以問部長說你有沒有針對這個有統籌的管理辦法嗎未來退場機制是什麼\n424694\t444793\t目前就是等到我們這個焚化爐整改上來之後還有新的上來之後這個就會陸續的去化當中那委員提到的問題我們現在正在有幾個特別的案例我們正在處理例如說他離水源地我們會特別的妥善來處理但你看到那個火災燒的惡臭的其實已經都在改善當中了\n445493\t473901\t我們希望也要持續因為畢竟要解決因為畢竟跟學校這麼有接近的話事實上對孩子的健康我是非常關心的可是垃圾問題不是民不自身問題也有可能是政治問題因為目前就在開打那個垃圾大戰垃圾擱置呢焚燒還有運送都有可能是各縣市之間的利益交換可是人民常常是不知情不知不覺用了\n474531\t479912\t目前全台這些跨縣市的垃圾問題環境部的角色是什麼因為中央畢竟你還是要給地方一些政策方向然後讓他們可以去做所以有沒有做能量的調度的協調\n499977\t527502\t有報告委員這個調度呢就是我們環境管理署在做跨區域的調度這個有在進行當中已經早已經一段時間那我們跟各縣市環保局也都有密切的配合所以這種所謂的調度就是在我們這邊在處理的好那是不是也可以給我們更完整的那個書面資料那再來就是要跟部長去討論預算問題也就是從環談的研究來看環境部在廢棄物末端處理要花將近17.7億\n529102\t529202\t主席\n553407\t570136\t請我們署長來報告這個源頭管理是是是那各位報告那我們現在源頭管理呢我們會有在這個綠色設計循環採購都有一些工作的推動那特別是說我們還要去做一些資源回收讓這個我們的產業就是可以建立那個商業模式\n570609\t595279\t那這邊都有一些相關的人員還有經費來投入其實報告委員我們那個前兩天有一個新聞稿就是我請他們算出來我們的資源循環的相關的產業1400億所以我們會用公司協議的方式來推動這些事情那當然啦過去的這個源頭的費用是都是宣導做這個事情不夠啦那我會逐步的來調整這件事情那在環部部長這邊真的要多\n596207\t597187\t謝謝林月琴委員的發言\n","txt":"謝謝主席 邀請我們的部長\n林委員早部長早我有看過你針對我們的廢棄物的報告寫的非常詳細方法也很多可是我4月的時候諮詢的時候我就有提到說如果沒有面對問題的核心的話再多的方法也是沒有用所以應該要去訂定目標甚至要解決的問題是什麼甚至到底這個廢棄物你要減量多少所以今天就一一來跟部長這邊探討一些相關的問題\n委員會長\n新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞\n所以廢棄物的處理本身希望你能夠做到事實上是源頭管理另外地方政府跟居民比較頭痛的垃圾戰爭這個問題的話也希望能夠要做好社會溝通那我們就來看就是說\n在我上次質詢完沒多久我們的那個環境資訊中心就報導說那我們8年來國人的垃圾是越減越多所以部長是不是可以有幾點跟我們說明一下第一個國人\n人口進來是越來越少那怎麼會熱色越來越好問題到底出在哪裡這是想說請部長可不可以做一個說明報告委員兩個部分一個是算法的問題就是說我們有統計的現在我們的整一次\n部長已經掌握到問題的話\n未來就是看你的那個解方因為現在疫情已經是解封的狀態那第二個垃圾減量政策過去重點都花在末端處理那我們的政策方向是否有錯誤為什麼因為垃圾越減越多啊那你現在一直在花錢在處理末端那這個政策是不是有錯誤\n其實現在的資源循環的比例也顯著的增多啦齁那所以剛剛講過一邊增長一邊下降那我們未來呢會如果這個資源循環促進法我們希望在年底能夠提出來之後應該可以有效整合各個部分因為其實也報告委員說我們所有的資源齁所有的資源其實掌握在我們的各個政府在管理的項目裡面所以我們環境部很積極的希望能夠推出這個資源循環促進法\n希望在年底能夠草案能夠先預告出來所以如果這個法案通過的話更有效去把各種的資源合在一起這更能夠有效的來管理好那希望這個法趕快在年底的時候可以送出那部長再問你就是說因為院長也提到老問題要找新方法新問題要找好方法\n所以你有沒有想到未來整個垃圾處理量的這個有沒有好的方法?好,報告委員我有去看了一些SRF或是一些垃圾場的確環境條件沒有那麼好所以我有特別跟我們的同仁討論到一個議題就是說我們過去環保署是比較管制的角度我們現在是環境部了所以我們應該呢把這個所謂的業界在一起\n我們過去想到業界可能是我們的工業局或是經濟部的事情但是我們現在是部了所以我們如何把我們相關的資源循環的相關的產業能夠聚集在一起幫助他們也解決我們的問題所以我目前希望說有不一樣的讓他們籌組一個聯盟的方式把一些產官學員能夠在一個平台裡面來討論這個事情更明確之後我希望有一個半年的時間然後我們到大院把這個草案送到這個看能不能在年底的時候能夠預告出來\n這個會更周圍一點這樣子表示也有在做社會溝通要社會溝通所以部長就要來我要為地方的百姓發聲我們的熱色我們的戰事場問題已經困擾百姓非常久了雖然我是不分區的立委可是我有任養桃園市所以地方的事務也非常關心所以希望透過這樣質詢讓部長能夠正視地方的熱色問題\n新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞\n第3個齁\n市長剛剛陳道志委員也提到嘛就是火災這個這件事情在桃園的我們的眼海上也常常發生火災已經是見怪不怪了可是造成空氣汙染我比較擔心的是耳哨因為距離學校蠻近的那這大家都變孩子都要上課戴口罩\n昨年桃園大塊西掩埋場為例的話火災影響到周邊數十間學校所以我不知道有沒有機會到時候是不是也歡迎彭部長跟我一起到我的任陽的選區去走走但我不是要去看棒球也不是要去看籃球我希望的是能夠來看到到底掩埋場\n我希望還是能夠去聆聽民眾的聲音因為剛剛聽起來部長是很願意做社會溝通的我也非常樂意我也很樂意去看這個掩埋場去看完之後真的還是要去思考怎麼解決了所以部長根據綠色和平的調查現在已經100座的垃圾的那個擱置場許多擱置場都有規劃提到剛剛前面的那個三個問題可是這些眼藍是臺灣的垃圾三月百月\n那所以我不知道我來自二少界我發現這些都距離學校跟我們的離水源區都非常近那對孩子的健康是有疑慮的所以問部長說你有沒有針對這個有統籌的管理辦法嗎未來退場機制是什麼\n目前就是等到我們這個焚化爐整改上來之後還有新的上來之後這個就會陸續的去化當中那委員提到的問題我們現在正在有幾個特別的案例我們正在處理例如說他離水源地我們會特別的妥善來處理但你看到那個火災燒的惡臭的其實已經都在改善當中了\n我們希望也要持續因為畢竟要解決因為畢竟跟學校這麼有接近的話事實上對孩子的健康我是非常關心的可是垃圾問題不是民不自身問題也有可能是政治問題因為目前就在開打那個垃圾大戰垃圾擱置呢焚燒還有運送都有可能是各縣市之間的利益交換可是人民常常是不知情不知不覺用了\n目前全台這些跨縣市的垃圾問題環境部的角色是什麼因為中央畢竟你還是要給地方一些政策方向然後讓他們可以去做所以有沒有做能量的調度的協調\n有報告委員這個調度呢就是我們環境管理署在做跨區域的調度這個有在進行當中已經早已經一段時間那我們跟各縣市環保局也都有密切的配合所以這種所謂的調度就是在我們這邊在處理的好那是不是也可以給我們更完整的那個書面資料那再來就是要跟部長去討論預算問題也就是從環談的研究來看環境部在廢棄物末端處理要花將近17.7億\n主席\n請我們署長來報告這個源頭管理是是是那各位報告那我們現在源頭管理呢我們會有在這個綠色設計循環採購都有一些工作的推動那特別是說我們還要去做一些資源回收讓這個我們的產業就是可以建立那個商業模式\n那這邊都有一些相關的人員還有經費來投入其實報告委員我們那個前兩天有一個新聞稿就是我請他們算出來我們的資源循環的相關的產業1400億所以我們會用公司協議的方式來推動這些事情那當然啦過去的這個源頭的費用是都是宣導做這個事情不夠啦那我會逐步的來調整這件事情那在環部部長這邊真的要多\n謝謝林月琴委員的發言\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:08.319 --> 00:09.307\n謝謝主席邀請我們的部長\n\n00:13.220 --> 00:39.002\n林委員早部長早我有看過你針對我們的廢棄物的報告寫的非常詳細方法也很多可是我4月的時候諮詢的時候我就有提到說如果沒有面對問題的核心的話再多的方法也是沒有用所以應該要去訂定目標甚至要解決的問題是什麼甚至到底這個廢棄物你要減量多少所以今天就一一來跟部長這邊探討一些相關的問題\n\n00:40.510 --> 00:40.530\n委員會長\n\n00:59.230 --> 01:00.251\n新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞\n\n01:16.966 --> 01:33.743\n所以廢棄物的處理本身希望你能夠做到事實上是源頭管理另外地方政府跟居民比較頭痛的垃圾戰爭這個問題的話也希望能夠要做好社會溝通那我們就來看就是說\n\n01:35.385 --> 01:49.755\n在我上次質詢完沒多久我們的那個環境資訊中心就報導說那我們8年來國人的垃圾是越減越多所以部長是不是可以有幾點跟我們說明一下第一個國人\n\n01:50.735 --> 02:06.135\n人口進來是越來越少那怎麼會熱色越來越好問題到底出在哪裡這是想說請部長可不可以做一個說明報告委員兩個部分一個是算法的問題就是說我們有統計的現在我們的整一次\n\n02:07.176 --> 02:07.336\n部長已經掌握到問題的話\n\n02:31.348 --> 02:49.646\n未來就是看你的那個解方因為現在疫情已經是解封的狀態那第二個垃圾減量政策過去重點都花在末端處理那我們的政策方向是否有錯誤為什麼因為垃圾越減越多啊那你現在一直在花錢在處理末端那這個政策是不是有錯誤\n\n02:50.627 --> 03:15.089\n其實現在的資源循環的比例也顯著的增多啦齁那所以剛剛講過一邊增長一邊下降那我們未來呢會如果這個資源循環促進法我們希望在年底能夠提出來之後應該可以有效整合各個部分因為其實也報告委員說我們所有的資源齁所有的資源其實掌握在我們的各個政府在管理的項目裡面所以我們環境部很積極的希望能夠推出這個資源循環促進法\n\n03:15.689 --> 03:37.954\n希望在年底能夠草案能夠先預告出來所以如果這個法案通過的話更有效去把各種的資源合在一起這更能夠有效的來管理好那希望這個法趕快在年底的時候可以送出那部長再問你就是說因為院長也提到老問題要找新方法新問題要找好方法\n\n03:38.334 --> 04:02.338\n所以你有沒有想到未來整個垃圾處理量的這個有沒有好的方法?好,報告委員我有去看了一些SRF或是一些垃圾場的確環境條件沒有那麼好所以我有特別跟我們的同仁討論到一個議題就是說我們過去環保署是比較管制的角度我們現在是環境部了所以我們應該呢把這個所謂的業界在一起\n\n04:02.438 --> 04:31.858\n我們過去想到業界可能是我們的工業局或是經濟部的事情但是我們現在是部了所以我們如何把我們相關的資源循環的相關的產業能夠聚集在一起幫助他們也解決我們的問題所以我目前希望說有不一樣的讓他們籌組一個聯盟的方式把一些產官學員能夠在一個平台裡面來討論這個事情更明確之後我希望有一個半年的時間然後我們到大院把這個草案送到這個看能不能在年底的時候能夠預告出來\n\n04:32.798 --> 04:55.634\n這個會更周圍一點這樣子表示也有在做社會溝通要社會溝通所以部長就要來我要為地方的百姓發聲我們的熱色我們的戰事場問題已經困擾百姓非常久了雖然我是不分區的立委可是我有任養桃園市所以地方的事務也非常關心所以希望透過這樣質詢讓部長能夠正視地方的熱色問題\n\n04:59.577 --> 05:00.458\n新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞\n\n05:11.308 --> 05:11.328\n第3個齁\n\n05:41.047 --> 05:58.234\n市長剛剛陳道志委員也提到嘛就是火災這個這件事情在桃園的我們的眼海上也常常發生火災已經是見怪不怪了可是造成空氣汙染我比較擔心的是耳哨因為距離學校蠻近的那這大家都變孩子都要上課戴口罩\n\n05:59.494 --> 06:20.123\n昨年桃園大塊西掩埋場為例的話火災影響到周邊數十間學校所以我不知道有沒有機會到時候是不是也歡迎彭部長跟我一起到我的任陽的選區去走走但我不是要去看棒球也不是要去看籃球我希望的是能夠來看到到底掩埋場\n\n06:21.744 --> 06:47.939\n我希望還是能夠去聆聽民眾的聲音因為剛剛聽起來部長是很願意做社會溝通的我也非常樂意我也很樂意去看這個掩埋場去看完之後真的還是要去思考怎麼解決了所以部長根據綠色和平的調查現在已經100座的垃圾的那個擱置場許多擱置場都有規劃提到剛剛前面的那個三個問題可是這些眼藍是臺灣的垃圾三月百月\n\n06:48.459 --> 07:04.071\n那所以我不知道我來自二少界我發現這些都距離學校跟我們的離水源區都非常近那對孩子的健康是有疑慮的所以問部長說你有沒有針對這個有統籌的管理辦法嗎未來退場機制是什麼\n\n07:04.694 --> 07:24.793\n目前就是等到我們這個焚化爐整改上來之後還有新的上來之後這個就會陸續的去化當中那委員提到的問題我們現在正在有幾個特別的案例我們正在處理例如說他離水源地我們會特別的妥善來處理但你看到那個火災燒的惡臭的其實已經都在改善當中了\n\n07:25.493 --> 07:53.901\n我們希望也要持續因為畢竟要解決因為畢竟跟學校這麼有接近的話事實上對孩子的健康我是非常關心的可是垃圾問題不是民不自身問題也有可能是政治問題因為目前就在開打那個垃圾大戰垃圾擱置呢焚燒還有運送都有可能是各縣市之間的利益交換可是人民常常是不知情不知不覺用了\n\n07:54.531 --> 07:59.912\n目前全台這些跨縣市的垃圾問題環境部的角色是什麼因為中央畢竟你還是要給地方一些政策方向然後讓他們可以去做所以有沒有做能量的調度的協調\n\n08:19.977 --> 08:47.502\n有報告委員這個調度呢就是我們環境管理署在做跨區域的調度這個有在進行當中已經早已經一段時間那我們跟各縣市環保局也都有密切的配合所以這種所謂的調度就是在我們這邊在處理的好那是不是也可以給我們更完整的那個書面資料那再來就是要跟部長去討論預算問題也就是從環談的研究來看環境部在廢棄物末端處理要花將近17.7億\n\n08:49.102 --> 08:49.202\n主席\n\n09:13.407 --> 09:30.136\n請我們署長來報告這個源頭管理是是是那各位報告那我們現在源頭管理呢我們會有在這個綠色設計循環採購都有一些工作的推動那特別是說我們還要去做一些資源回收讓這個我們的產業就是可以建立那個商業模式\n\n09:30.609 --> 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