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00:01:19,048\n除了就是說你的生產力提高,你的品質好,那只有大概是這樣子,還有就是說你的Marketing我正講的是央行的一個政策央行政策是沒有啊,因為我們只管匯率啊\n\n5\n00:01:19,528 --> 00:01:26,615\n所以我們還是堅持主張就是央行是不會去干預就是這個匯率的一個升還是潛嗎?沒有,基本上我們針對我們就是說\n\n6\n00:01:35,120 --> 00:02:04,443\n基本上雖然我們就說我們看看其他的那個必別是他的身邊怎麼樣我們是看而已但是主要的還是要看你個別的你的供需你的供需你的市場的一個秩序怎麼樣如果說我們覺得怎麼會這樣子怎麼會進來那麼多會出去那麼多而且是在很短期間那這樣的話呢中央銀行的職者呢維持市場的秩序\n\n7\n00:02:06,407 --> 00:02:26,732\n維持市場的秩序是什麼意思呢就是說讓我們的新台幣的匯率的升貶的波動弧度不要太高也不要太低因為你太高的話那我們的廠商他怎麼要報價那就是說你會去堅持就是說也是不主動干預\n\n8\n00:02:27,312 --> 00:02:49,582\n可是問題就是說你會維持一個非常好的就是說變成這個匯率的一個匯動你會去維持一個最好的一個狀況可是如果就是說這個貶值或是提升的時候它會不會影響到我們整體的一個社會上的一個通膨啊\n\n9\n00:02:50,402 --> 00:03:09,691\n基本上我跟委員報告就是說當然我們也會因為這個我們報告也有講到就是說基本上那個從2022年一直到2023年日本也好日本韓南韓還有我們台灣也一樣的\n\n10\n00:03:11,132 --> 00:03:26,156\n主要還有新加坡這些你看看他之所以會干預他也是在扛盛除了剛剛我跟委員報告就是說他的匯率波動太大不好對金融的穩定不好另外一個呢就是您所說的一樣的\n\n11\n00:03:28,317 --> 00:03:30,379\n昨天經濟部長在經濟委員會裡先是說經濟部不支持繼續補貼台電\n\n12\n00:03:48,593 --> 00:03:48,873\n您的看法?\n\n13\n00:04:04,088 --> 00:04:06,770\n這個經濟部長他做這樣的一個主張,我在想也有他可能,因為我沒有...會不會嗎?你看這個就是不貼台電的話,那台電的電價就是會漲嘛,那是不是漲了以後跟著通盤就上來了?\n\n14\n00:04:23,145 --> 00:04:39,003\n委員這樣的推論好像就是說跟前面這一段的期間來推論沒有我是這樣的一個推論嘛我是這樣的一個推論如果央行在做決策的時候到底是看\n\n15\n00:04:39,844 --> 00:04:43,247\n總裁我再請教你通膨到底對一般民眾的影響是大還是小?\n\n16\n00:05:09,645 --> 00:05:37,942\n你要回答我這個問題我跟委員報告就是說通膨對一般民眾的影響大還是小我跟委員報告一般我們看的專案銀行看的就是CPI對那CPI因為它的選項368項它的範圍非常廣是那我們民眾的影響大或是小基本上我們大部分都是看什麼都是看那個就是說我們\n\n17\n00:05:39,483 --> 00:05:58,956\n一個月裡面至少購買一次的因為他都購買一次的那個民生用品還有就是說那個17項的那個那我再跟你請教啦就是說本席的選區是農業跟很多的一個退休人員那如果就是存款的利息趕不上通膨的時候\n\n18\n00:06:00,317 --> 00:06:21,537\n這一些一般的民眾他如果是靠著存款的利息過日子的話那如果你通膨一直漲的時候一般的民眾他是不是會想辦法就是說他要去投資他要去買資產可是他不一定有錢那他可能會舉債這個其實你看台灣銀行的一個那個利率他一年期只有1.17而已\n\n19\n00:06:23,098 --> 00:06:52,204\n那像這樣子的話1年期1.17沒有啊1.715不好意思1.715那這樣子的話這些退休人員怎麼辦呢所以相對的就是說CPI的指數如果沒有符合到體感的時候大家都喜歡跟你探討就是說黃豬以黃豬的一個指數來做一個例子這其實我們四周周邊的人大家都覺得說黃豬是一直在漲的\n\n20\n00:07:11,598 --> 00:07:26,743\n那這一個就是要跟總裁做一個探討就是說為什麼就是漲幅平穩就是這個一定是有問題的這個你們這是可以不可以做一個大數據自己去調查\n\n21\n00:07:27,443 --> 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