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00:01:22,423\n在這幾年當中前面幾位委員也有特別提到這幾年當中我們看到廢棄物沒有減反而是增那部長剛剛講說可能是計算的方式不一樣可是我在想說\n\n5\n00:01:23,624 --> 00:01:43,261\n既然已經經過了從齊柏林導演到現在可能也將近10年的時間那我們希望說環境部應該要做一些事情總是讓自己的這個生長的環境能夠更好而不是更差因為剛剛看到很多委員他們秀出來的這個照片到處垃圾山\n\n6\n00:01:43,541 --> 00:01:43,761\n黃秀芳議員\n\n7\n00:02:13,752 --> 00:02:41,210\n台灣的這個垃圾站制場剛剛部長也有特別提到大約是100座那其中有這個將近60座是距離學校不遠距離學校不到這個兩公里的地方那有的是在水源區尤其是南投本來鳥嘴潭這個鳥嘴潭旁邊的那個垃圾場好像也已經開始就是已經清理也快清理完畢了那因為它是在那個水源區\n\n8\n00:02:42,051 --> 00:02:56,731\n所以我是想要請部長針對這部分未來我們有將近100座的垃圾站置場那有一些部分是接近學校的垃圾站置場那未來我們要怎麼去處理\n\n9\n00:02:57,712 --> 00:03:19,673\n我覺得這個總是要處理嘛剛剛部長有講就是說如果是把它堆成這樣子的話其實是造成環境的這個污染水源的污染那空氣的污染那也許一把火之後可能又造成很嚴重的這個代藥性空污影響身體健康所以我想請教部長未來我們這樣的一個垃圾戰資廠未來要怎麼樣逐步去處理\n\n10\n00:03:20,633 --> 00:03:35,559\n報告委員短期是把這個好好的打包處理不要有火災、惡臭這個是短期我們要做的事那長期的話因為我們到117年等於是說等於是焚化爐的運能會上來所以這些都會把它去化掉\n\n11\n00:03:36,059 --> 00:03:49,761\n所以大概我們會再給委員一個時間大概遇到什麼時候但是這個要完全到零這個還需要跟地方政府再做一個通盤的計算所以我們會再想辦法再給委員一個數字出來這個也是我們早上在討論的問題\n\n12\n00:03:51,443 --> 00:04:04,858\n所以我是認為就是說部長你自己來自民間我相信你跟齊柏林導演應該有很好的交情那他拍這部電影最主要也看到臺灣的好臺灣的美\n\n13\n00:04:06,380 --> 00:04:30,820\n那也有台灣這個環境被破壞的一面那很難得就是說部長你原本在民間那現在可以在這個環境部當部長應該也可以做一些事情所以我們希望就是說部長你在這個位置上應該要發揮你的影響力那讓整個台灣不論是在環境上能夠有一些改變我覺得最基本的這個垃圾的問題應該要去做一個解決\n\n14\n00:04:31,380 --> 00:04:53,092\n好謝謝委員的鼓勵這個我跟齊柏林是真的是好朋友他過世的那個前幾天的記者會我還去參加做到後面結果隔兩天他就失事了我是到現在為止都還蠻那個這個就覺得您提到這個就感受非常的強那他其實拍了很多這個垃圾山那也跟委員報告因為我最近其實都有去\n\n15\n00:04:59,254 --> 00:05:18,578\n我會花時間去看看委員提到的這個臨近學校的地方我們有沒有更好的方法來處理但是整個粉化爐的量能夠提升出來支持他們這才是現在我們可以用的方法那未來我們就資源回收促進法這個如果說資源循環促進法如果可以把它完成的話應該環境部扛起責任來\n\n16\n00:05:19,378 --> 00:05:36,139\n會更有效果,所以我們希望年底如果可以這一次草案預告的話明年如果送到大院來處理的話應該會更有效部長我想請教就是說之前那個環團有拜位這個行政院陳情就是\n\n17\n00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:58,712\n表示,源頭減量的預算不足,造成廢棄物越積越多的最主要原因。環境部當時又回應,補助地方的源頭減量的經費,當時可能沒有被環團記錄,才會讓源頭減量的預算看起來好像不多,也承諾明年源頭減量的預算會增加。\n\n18\n00:06:03,055 --> 00:06:26,087\n那我看到就是說你們有講說資源循環促進法在年底就會送進這個立法院草案預告希望明年可以送進來那如果草案預告是在這個明年你是說明年今年年底就可以開始來送到大院來審好那這樣子你明年的預算要怎麼增加\n\n19\n00:06:28,259 --> 00:06:56,549\n其實我們現在已經開始要針對明年的預算對現在開始要針對明年的預算要省了嗎那你這樣子的話你明年的這個源頭減量的預算要怎麼增加那各位報告就是我們在戰略部分有些相關的譬如說要再使用啊修復或者循環採購這些都有在同時推動那因為促進法的話可以讓我們跟各部會還有我們要去要求業者做一些規定那更能有強制力也能夠建立一些制度\n\n20\n00:06:57,790 --> 00:07:15,422\n我想請部長因為其實很多的政策只要是環境部有在推動其實地方也會跟著配合就像之前我們一直在講的這個減塑膠、減塑那還有一個是那個禁用那個塑膠吸管\n\n21\n00:07:15,922 --> 00:07:16,042\n黃秀芳\n\n22\n00:07:37,631 --> 00:07:54,401\n中央的推動跟地方民眾是不是會去配合其實我覺得有很大息息相關就像之前我們一直在說禁用這個塑膠吸管可是民眾他自己就會知道說那我以後可能就要用那個鐵那個鋼的那種吸管或者是用那種紙吸管甚至用那種\n\n23\n00:07:55,842 --> 00:07:56,902\n請部長你再回應一下\n\n24\n00:08:23,190 --> 00:08:47,692\n其實現在都是在不斷的有時間都會拜訪地方的縣市首長啦希望變成是一個策略夥伴的關係那剛剛這個源頭講那個部分其實我有注意到有些縣市的確是非常認真啦但有些縣市他可能重心不大一樣所以我們會環境部應該會齊一步調啦像我們昨天弄淹地的活動幾乎所有的縣市環保局就全部都來了所以我們會在這個部分會再努力加強\n\n25\n00:08:48,553 --> 00:09:11,498\n好那我也感謝就是部長你有從這個最小我們剛剛講的那個淹地其實那個也是很有感可能我們如果可以設一個譬如說在公共場合設一個吸菸室它吸菸地不要亂丟或者是在一些公園或者是在公的這個場所設吸菸室或者是那個菸地的那種回收的\n\n26\n00:09:11,998 --> 00:09:12,758\n國際社會福利及衛生環境部長\n\n27\n00:09:32,063 --> 00:09:58,569\n所以我覺得說真的源頭減量真的非常的重要那另外就是說我們講剛剛講的這個生活習慣的改變可能這個網購網購的生活習慣改變那可能會收到這個紙你買的東西可能包裝紙盒紙箱真的都非常的多那這樣子是不是也要鼓勵業者就是用回收箱好像這個回收箱好像好像也不是\n\n28\n00:09:59,349 --> 00:10:01,833\n我們會來主動來跟他們來聊聊天說看怎麼樣幫忙這些創新的方式\n\n29\n00:10:15,233 --> 00:10:32,823\n好那這個就再拜託拜託部長那我們希望就是說台灣真的好山好水真的需要大家一起努力然後我們也拜託部長在新的這個剛上來之後這個總是新人有一些新的魄力新的氣象所以我們一起努力謝謝委員謝謝好謝謝黃秀芳委員的發言謝謝部長的回應\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5033\t27769\t謝謝主席我們請部長有請部長部長好部長好部長在2013年齊柏林導演他拍了這個看見台灣那我也相信當時齊柏林導演跟部長應該也還蠻熟的因為那時候要拍的話可能有一些\n28289\t30572\t關於天氣的狀況有一些資訊都是詢問你我在2013年看到齊柏林導演的這部電影其實還蠻感動的因為我在2014年那時候\n45630\t46511\t今天會特地來排這個有關廢棄物這個部分是因為我覺得\n68289\t82423\t在這幾年當中前面幾位委員也有特別提到這幾年當中我們看到廢棄物沒有減反而是增那部長剛剛講說可能是計算的方式不一樣可是我在想說\n83624\t103261\t既然已經經過了從齊柏林導演到現在可能也將近10年的時間那我們希望說環境部應該要做一些事情總是讓自己的這個生長的環境能夠更好而不是更差因為剛剛看到很多委員他們秀出來的這個照片到處垃圾山\n103541\t103761\t黃秀芳議員\n133752\t161210\t台灣的這個垃圾站制場剛剛部長也有特別提到大約是100座那其中有這個將近60座是距離學校不遠距離學校不到這個兩公里的地方那有的是在水源區尤其是南投本來鳥嘴潭這個鳥嘴潭旁邊的那個垃圾場好像也已經開始就是已經清理也快清理完畢了那因為它是在那個水源區\n162051\t176731\t所以我是想要請部長針對這部分未來我們有將近100座的垃圾站置場那有一些部分是接近學校的垃圾站置場那未來我們要怎麼去處理\n177712\t199673\t我覺得這個總是要處理嘛剛剛部長有講就是說如果是把它堆成這樣子的話其實是造成環境的這個污染水源的污染那空氣的污染那也許一把火之後可能又造成很嚴重的這個代藥性空污影響身體健康所以我想請教部長未來我們這樣的一個垃圾戰資廠未來要怎麼樣逐步去處理\n200633\t215559\t報告委員短期是把這個好好的打包處理不要有火災、惡臭這個是短期我們要做的事那長期的話因為我們到117年等於是說等於是焚化爐的運能會上來所以這些都會把它去化掉\n216059\t229761\t所以大概我們會再給委員一個時間大概遇到什麼時候但是這個要完全到零這個還需要跟地方政府再做一個通盤的計算所以我們會再想辦法再給委員一個數字出來這個也是我們早上在討論的問題\n231443\t244858\t所以我是認為就是說部長你自己來自民間我相信你跟齊柏林導演應該有很好的交情那他拍這部電影最主要也看到臺灣的好臺灣的美\n246380\t270820\t那也有台灣這個環境被破壞的一面那很難得就是說部長你原本在民間那現在可以在這個環境部當部長應該也可以做一些事情所以我們希望就是說部長你在這個位置上應該要發揮你的影響力那讓整個台灣不論是在環境上能夠有一些改變我覺得最基本的這個垃圾的問題應該要去做一個解決\n271380\t293092\t好謝謝委員的鼓勵這個我跟齊柏林是真的是好朋友他過世的那個前幾天的記者會我還去參加做到後面結果隔兩天他就失事了我是到現在為止都還蠻那個這個就覺得您提到這個就感受非常的強那他其實拍了很多這個垃圾山那也跟委員報告因為我最近其實都有去\n299254\t318578\t我會花時間去看看委員提到的這個臨近學校的地方我們有沒有更好的方法來處理但是整個粉化爐的量能夠提升出來支持他們這才是現在我們可以用的方法那未來我們就資源回收促進法這個如果說資源循環促進法如果可以把它完成的話應該環境部扛起責任來\n319378\t336139\t會更有效果,所以我們希望年底如果可以這一次草案預告的話明年如果送到大院來處理的話應該會更有效部長我想請教就是說之前那個環團有拜位這個行政院陳情就是\n337360\t358712\t表示,源頭減量的預算不足,造成廢棄物越積越多的最主要原因。環境部當時又回應,補助地方的源頭減量的經費,當時可能沒有被環團記錄,才會讓源頭減量的預算看起來好像不多,也承諾明年源頭減量的預算會增加。\n363055\t386087\t那我看到就是說你們有講說資源循環促進法在年底就會送進這個立法院草案預告希望明年可以送進來那如果草案預告是在這個明年你是說明年今年年底就可以開始來送到大院來審好那這樣子你明年的預算要怎麼增加\n388259\t416549\t其實我們現在已經開始要針對明年的預算對現在開始要針對明年的預算要省了嗎那你這樣子的話你明年的這個源頭減量的預算要怎麼增加那各位報告就是我們在戰略部分有些相關的譬如說要再使用啊修復或者循環採購這些都有在同時推動那因為促進法的話可以讓我們跟各部會還有我們要去要求業者做一些規定那更能有強制力也能夠建立一些制度\n417790\t435422\t我想請部長因為其實很多的政策只要是環境部有在推動其實地方也會跟著配合就像之前我們一直在講的這個減塑膠、減塑那還有一個是那個禁用那個塑膠吸管\n435922\t436042\t黃秀芳\n457631\t474401\t中央的推動跟地方民眾是不是會去配合其實我覺得有很大息息相關就像之前我們一直在說禁用這個塑膠吸管可是民眾他自己就會知道說那我以後可能就要用那個鐵那個鋼的那種吸管或者是用那種紙吸管甚至用那種\n475842\t476902\t請部長你再回應一下\n503190\t527692\t其實現在都是在不斷的有時間都會拜訪地方的縣市首長啦希望變成是一個策略夥伴的關係那剛剛這個源頭講那個部分其實我有注意到有些縣市的確是非常認真啦但有些縣市他可能重心不大一樣所以我們會環境部應該會齊一步調啦像我們昨天弄淹地的活動幾乎所有的縣市環保局就全部都來了所以我們會在這個部分會再努力加強\n528553\t551498\t好那我也感謝就是部長你有從這個最小我們剛剛講的那個淹地其實那個也是很有感可能我們如果可以設一個譬如說在公共場合設一個吸菸室它吸菸地不要亂丟或者是在一些公園或者是在公的這個場所設吸菸室或者是那個菸地的那種回收的\n551998\t552758\t國際社會福利及衛生環境部長\n572063\t598569\t所以我覺得說真的源頭減量真的非常的重要那另外就是說我們講剛剛講的這個生活習慣的改變可能這個網購網購的生活習慣改變那可能會收到這個紙你買的東西可能包裝紙盒紙箱真的都非常的多那這樣子是不是也要鼓勵業者就是用回收箱好像這個回收箱好像好像也不是\n599349\t601833\t我們會來主動來跟他們來聊聊天說看怎麼樣幫忙這些創新的方式\n615233\t632823\t好那這個就再拜託拜託部長那我們希望就是說台灣真的好山好水真的需要大家一起努力然後我們也拜託部長在新的這個剛上來之後這個總是新人有一些新的魄力新的氣象所以我們一起努力謝謝委員謝謝好謝謝黃秀芳委員的發言謝謝部長的回應\n","txt":"謝謝主席我們請部長有請部長部長好部長好部長在2013年齊柏林導演他拍了這個看見台灣那我也相信當時齊柏林導演跟部長應該也還蠻熟的因為那時候要拍的話可能有一些\n關於天氣的狀況有一些資訊都是詢問你我在2013年看到齊柏林導演的這部電影其實還蠻感動的因為我在2014年那時候\n今天會特地來排這個有關廢棄物這個部分是因為我覺得\n在這幾年當中前面幾位委員也有特別提到這幾年當中我們看到廢棄物沒有減反而是增那部長剛剛講說可能是計算的方式不一樣可是我在想說\n既然已經經過了從齊柏林導演到現在可能也將近10年的時間那我們希望說環境部應該要做一些事情總是讓自己的這個生長的環境能夠更好而不是更差因為剛剛看到很多委員他們秀出來的這個照片到處垃圾山\n黃秀芳議員\n台灣的這個垃圾站制場剛剛部長也有特別提到大約是100座那其中有這個將近60座是距離學校不遠距離學校不到這個兩公里的地方那有的是在水源區尤其是南投本來鳥嘴潭這個鳥嘴潭旁邊的那個垃圾場好像也已經開始就是已經清理也快清理完畢了那因為它是在那個水源區\n所以我是想要請部長針對這部分未來我們有將近100座的垃圾站置場那有一些部分是接近學校的垃圾站置場那未來我們要怎麼去處理\n我覺得這個總是要處理嘛剛剛部長有講就是說如果是把它堆成這樣子的話其實是造成環境的這個污染水源的污染那空氣的污染那也許一把火之後可能又造成很嚴重的這個代藥性空污影響身體健康所以我想請教部長未來我們這樣的一個垃圾戰資廠未來要怎麼樣逐步去處理\n報告委員短期是把這個好好的打包處理不要有火災、惡臭這個是短期我們要做的事那長期的話因為我們到117年等於是說等於是焚化爐的運能會上來所以這些都會把它去化掉\n所以大概我們會再給委員一個時間大概遇到什麼時候但是這個要完全到零這個還需要跟地方政府再做一個通盤的計算所以我們會再想辦法再給委員一個數字出來這個也是我們早上在討論的問題\n所以我是認為就是說部長你自己來自民間我相信你跟齊柏林導演應該有很好的交情那他拍這部電影最主要也看到臺灣的好臺灣的美\n那也有台灣這個環境被破壞的一面那很難得就是說部長你原本在民間那現在可以在這個環境部當部長應該也可以做一些事情所以我們希望就是說部長你在這個位置上應該要發揮你的影響力那讓整個台灣不論是在環境上能夠有一些改變我覺得最基本的這個垃圾的問題應該要去做一個解決\n好謝謝委員的鼓勵這個我跟齊柏林是真的是好朋友他過世的那個前幾天的記者會我還去參加做到後面結果隔兩天他就失事了我是到現在為止都還蠻那個這個就覺得您提到這個就感受非常的強那他其實拍了很多這個垃圾山那也跟委員報告因為我最近其實都有去\n我會花時間去看看委員提到的這個臨近學校的地方我們有沒有更好的方法來處理但是整個粉化爐的量能夠提升出來支持他們這才是現在我們可以用的方法那未來我們就資源回收促進法這個如果說資源循環促進法如果可以把它完成的話應該環境部扛起責任來\n會更有效果,所以我們希望年底如果可以這一次草案預告的話明年如果送到大院來處理的話應該會更有效部長我想請教就是說之前那個環團有拜位這個行政院陳情就是\n表示,源頭減量的預算不足,造成廢棄物越積越多的最主要原因。環境部當時又回應,補助地方的源頭減量的經費,當時可能沒有被環團記錄,才會讓源頭減量的預算看起來好像不多,也承諾明年源頭減量的預算會增加。\n那我看到就是說你們有講說資源循環促進法在年底就會送進這個立法院草案預告希望明年可以送進來那如果草案預告是在這個明年你是說明年今年年底就可以開始來送到大院來審好那這樣子你明年的預算要怎麼增加\n其實我們現在已經開始要針對明年的預算對現在開始要針對明年的預算要省了嗎那你這樣子的話你明年的這個源頭減量的預算要怎麼增加那各位報告就是我們在戰略部分有些相關的譬如說要再使用啊修復或者循環採購這些都有在同時推動那因為促進法的話可以讓我們跟各部會還有我們要去要求業者做一些規定那更能有強制力也能夠建立一些制度\n我想請部長因為其實很多的政策只要是環境部有在推動其實地方也會跟著配合就像之前我們一直在講的這個減塑膠、減塑那還有一個是那個禁用那個塑膠吸管\n黃秀芳\n中央的推動跟地方民眾是不是會去配合其實我覺得有很大息息相關就像之前我們一直在說禁用這個塑膠吸管可是民眾他自己就會知道說那我以後可能就要用那個鐵那個鋼的那種吸管或者是用那種紙吸管甚至用那種\n請部長你再回應一下\n其實現在都是在不斷的有時間都會拜訪地方的縣市首長啦希望變成是一個策略夥伴的關係那剛剛這個源頭講那個部分其實我有注意到有些縣市的確是非常認真啦但有些縣市他可能重心不大一樣所以我們會環境部應該會齊一步調啦像我們昨天弄淹地的活動幾乎所有的縣市環保局就全部都來了所以我們會在這個部分會再努力加強\n好那我也感謝就是部長你有從這個最小我們剛剛講的那個淹地其實那個也是很有感可能我們如果可以設一個譬如說在公共場合設一個吸菸室它吸菸地不要亂丟或者是在一些公園或者是在公的這個場所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