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00:00:05,196\n大家好主席我想請央行我們楊董事長請楊總裁楊總裁總裁早\n\n2\n00:00:16,103 --> 00:00:35,908\n總裁,我們都知道虛擬貨幣是虛擬貨幣它不屬於法定貨幣是不是而且就你先前也說過說它無法調節然後波動價格波動到也沒有球場的管道也非常容易被不法的人士來利用那最近我們委員會常常在討論到\n\n3\n00:00:37,228 --> 00:00:59,406\n尤其我觀察到我們很多的這些傳統的地下會對像這些銀樓或者是業者都是在台灣收在國內收這些台商或者是移工的現金然後就立刻從大陸或者是東南亞的這些戶頭去撥款如果被抓到因為銀行法的罰則很重\n\n4\n00:01:01,294 --> 00:01:28,777\n那所以不消一則現在也趕著流行把這些過去張者直接兌換把它改成用虛擬貨幣用虛擬貨幣所以利用這種虛擬貨幣來做一個乾坤大樓盈假設被查處了被查獲了也會被司法機關認定說不是法定貨幣所以就是這就是一個大漏洞也許因為這樣子他不會被判刑不會被判罪那所以\n\n5\n00:01:51,343 --> 00:02:05,199\n我想就是說就是說委員剛剛在講到就是說這個會對的問題啦那基本上就是說我們不要就是說只說看那個會對啦\n\n6\n00:02:07,108 --> 00:02:30,796\n如果說就這個跨境的移轉你用這個虛擬通貨的話他就比較容易那我跟委員報告就是說像中國大陸中國大陸為什麼說他會禁止這些的虛擬的廠商在那邊挖礦\n\n7\n00:02:32,267 --> 00:02:52,796\n主要的也就是說這些呢所以呢那不只是說禁止他挖礦而且呢禁止交易為什麼就是說這個用虛擬通貨來做跨境的一個支付不要就是說是地下會對啦就是這個這個他是很容易啊他是很容易所以他才禁止他\n\n8\n00:02:54,579 --> 00:03:07,300\n所以你說你來詢問我這個問題說實在的我也很難去回答就是說我們要如何來堵住他那當然就是說現在呢\n\n9\n00:03:08,700 --> 00:03:31,364\n要怎麼來管理他現在就重點在於就是說你要如何來管理這些這些的虛擬通貨的這些的業者對啊對啊這個是問題這個就是問題所以才請教總裁因為你在委員會的討論金港會主委都有討論到我們也要求說要盡速把這個專法趕快要報上來現在大家都很著急而且這個\n\n10\n00:03:38,513 --> 00:03:59,514\n造成後面延續衍生出來這些詐騙沒有錯沒有錯沒有辦法去規範委員講的沒有錯對對對好委員講的總裁我再請教日圓持續的貶值創下34年最低點那很多民眾都持續購買日幣因為很多人都喜歡到日本去旅遊\n\n11\n00:04:00,034 --> 00:04:17,842\n到目前為止已經大概回復到疫情前大概八成以上那今年已經有420萬超過420萬的這個台灣的這個國人到日本去旅遊那總消費金額已經超過新台幣1635億超越中國也超越韓國居冠這個龍頭的地位\n\n12\n00:04:25,706 --> 00:04:48,315\n我相信今年的數據一定會比去年更高甚至於說現在很多坊間不曉得各位有沒有聽過一個笑話說公司要招待員工旅遊可是老闆就跟員工宣布說我們原來安排的肯丁國旅取消了因為去日本反而比較便宜\n\n13\n00:04:49,736 --> 00:05:16,630\n所以現在變成說在去日本住三個晚上的房間價格比在台灣國旅的飯店價格還便宜吃得好風景又漂亮買又很好買那所以現在這種狀況說日圓持續貶值造成我們國文他們的這個觀光收益日本觀光收益的增加相對台灣觀光收益的減少還有就是我們台灣的產業\n\n14\n00:05:18,391 --> 00:05:25,382\n我們的這個手工具這個工具業在在這個\n\n15\n00:05:29,417 --> 00:05:51,750\n我手上的資料工具機在台灣跟日本的差異性過去日本的工具機的價格大概高過台灣會有大概20到30%那所以台灣的這些工具機產業會有他的生存空間那但是因為現在因為日圓持續貶值所以\n\n16\n00:05:53,393 --> 00:06:19,989\n日本的這些台灣的高階機種的訂單都被日商搶光了那中低階的部分又被大陸給搶光了那台灣的機械工會也指出說過去這個利基以及這個在市場上可以去依賴的這些空間都不見了那目前價格幾乎跟日本的\n\n17\n00:06:21,161 --> 00:06:33,824\n金融一致的台灣的工具機價格跟日本金融一致那日圓如果持續再繼續貶值那台灣的工具機產業失去了競爭的優勢在這樣子的一個劣勢的情況之下\n\n18\n00:06:35,038 --> 00:07:01,884\n總裁我們要怎麼樣才能夠去協助工具機的這個產業還有我們這個國內旅遊國旅的產業對啦我跟委員報告啦對啦工具機他長久以來他也都是會一直提到就是說匯率的問題但是我們在這個我們的報告裡面我們也一直在強調事實上工具機的那個什麼他的出口的興衰\n\n19\n00:07:03,024 --> 00:07:17,346\n主要還是跟全球的那個什麼的經濟比較有關係我跟委員報告事實上日本跟台灣很大一部分的工具機的一個出口很大一部分是到中國大陸去\n\n20\n00:07:18,479 --> 00:07:40,231\n那中國大陸委員也知道就是說他們目前的一個情況不是很好所以呢日本對中國大陸的一個出口工具機的一個出口減少我們台灣也是減少那剛剛對話委員在講的就是說也沒有錯就是說以往日本的工具機價格是比我們高但是呢\n\n21\n00:07:41,911 --> 00:08:08,520\n現在因為是貶值的一個關係但是我們一直在強調匯率並不是主要的因素主要的還是景氣的關係所以我們在這個報告裡面的第12頁裡我們就已經也有談到了也有談到這一點我們也談到這一點你看看我們在12月這邊我們談到就是說2022年2023年這個是日圓貶的最大你看看它NER貶值貶了8%\n\n22\n00:08:09,980 --> 00:08:25,647\n平均貶的8我們才貶了0.4%但是呢這我們的工具機啊出國我們就說國際需求影響所以台灣工業機出國平均減少2.7%日本工業平均減少3.9%你看它的貶值的弧度\n\n23\n00:08:31,284 --> 00:08:31,485\n8%我們才0.4%\n\n24\n00:08:46,144 --> 00:09:09,884\n但是我們不能匯率...我跟委員報告就是說基本上我總覺得我們的工具機除了它對匯率以外匯率就是說它是供需來決定但是它對經濟部它也有做一些的建言而且我相信經濟部也有在協助他們\n\n25\n00:09:11,414 --> 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總裁早\n總裁,我們都知道虛擬貨幣是虛擬貨幣它不屬於法定貨幣是不是而且就你先前也說過說它無法調節然後波動價格波動到也沒有球場的管道也非常容易被不法的人士來利用那最近我們委員會常常在討論到\n尤其我觀察到我們很多的這些傳統的地下會對像這些銀樓或者是業者都是在台灣收在國內收這些台商或者是移工的現金然後就立刻從大陸或者是東南亞的這些戶頭去撥款如果被抓到因為銀行法的罰則很重\n那所以不消一則現在也趕著流行把這些過去張者直接兌換把它改成用虛擬貨幣用虛擬貨幣所以利用這種虛擬貨幣來做一個乾坤大樓盈假設被查處了被查獲了也會被司法機關認定說不是法定貨幣所以就是這就是一個大漏洞也許因為這樣子他不會被判刑不會被判罪那所以\n﹗\n我想就是說就是說委員剛剛在講到就是說這個會對的問題啦那基本上就是說我們不要就是說只說看那個會對啦\n如果說就這個跨境的移轉你用這個虛擬通貨的話他就比較容易那我跟委員報告就是說像中國大陸中國大陸為什麼說他會禁止這些的虛擬的廠商在那邊挖礦\n主要的也就是說這些呢所以呢那不只是說禁止他挖礦而且呢禁止交易為什麼就是說這個用虛擬通貨來做跨境的一個支付不要就是說是地下會對啦就是這個這個他是很容易啊他是很容易所以他才禁止他\n所以你說你來詢問我這個問題說實在的我也很難去回答就是說我們要如何來堵住他那當然就是說現在呢\n要怎麼來管理他現在就重點在於就是說你要如何來管理這些這些的虛擬通貨的這些的業者對啊對啊這個是問題這個就是問題所以才請教總裁因為你在委員會的討論金港會主委都有討論到我們也要求說要盡速把這個專法趕快要報上來現在大家都很著急而且這個\n造成後面延續衍生出來這些詐騙沒有錯沒有錯沒有辦法去規範委員講的沒有錯對對對好委員講的總裁我再請教日圓持續的貶值創下34年最低點那很多民眾都持續購買日幣因為很多人都喜歡到日本去旅遊\n到目前為止已經大概回復到疫情前大概八成以上那今年已經有420萬超過420萬的這個台灣的這個國人到日本去旅遊那總消費金額已經超過新台幣1635億超越中國也超越韓國居冠這個龍頭的地位\n我相信今年的數據一定會比去年更高甚至於說現在很多坊間不曉得各位有沒有聽過一個笑話說公司要招待員工旅遊可是老闆就跟員工宣布說我們原來安排的肯丁國旅取消了因為去日本反而比較便宜\n所以現在變成說在去日本住三個晚上的房間價格比在台灣國旅的飯店價格還便宜吃得好風景又漂亮買又很好買那所以現在這種狀況說日圓持續貶值造成我們國文他們的這個觀光收益日本觀光收益的增加相對台灣觀光收益的減少還有就是我們台灣的產業\n我們的這個手工具這個工具業在在這個\n我手上的資料工具機在台灣跟日本的差異性過去日本的工具機的價格大概高過台灣會有大概20到30%那所以台灣的這些工具機產業會有他的生存空間那但是因為現在因為日圓持續貶值所以\n日本的這些台灣的高階機種的訂單都被日商搶光了那中低階的部分又被大陸給搶光了那台灣的機械工會也指出說過去這個利基以及這個在市場上可以去依賴的這些空間都不見了那目前價格幾乎跟日本的\n金融一致的台灣的工具機價格跟日本金融一致那日圓如果持續再繼續貶值那台灣的工具機產業失去了競爭的優勢在這樣子的一個劣勢的情況之下\n總裁我們要怎麼樣才能夠去協助工具機的這個產業還有我們這個國內旅遊國旅的產業對啦我跟委員報告啦對啦工具機他長久以來他也都是會一直提到就是說匯率的問題但是我們在這個我們的報告裡面我們也一直在強調事實上工具機的那個什麼他的出口的興衰\n主要還是跟全球的那個什麼的經濟比較有關係我跟委員報告事實上日本跟台灣很大一部分的工具機的一個出口很大一部分是到中國大陸去\n那中國大陸委員也知道就是說他們目前的一個情況不是很好所以呢日本對中國大陸的一個出口工具機的一個出口減少我們台灣也是減少那剛剛對話委員在講的就是說也沒有錯就是說以往日本的工具機價格是比我們高但是呢\n現在因為是貶值的一個關係但是我們一直在強調匯率並不是主要的因素主要的還是景氣的關係所以我們在這個報告裡面的第12頁裡我們就已經也有談到了也有談到這一點我們也談到這一點你看看我們在12月這邊我們談到就是說2022年2023年這個是日圓貶的最大你看看它NER貶值貶了8%\n平均貶的8我們才貶了0.4%但是呢這我們的工具機啊出國我們就說國際需求影響所以台灣工業機出國平均減少2.7%日本工業平均減少3.9%你看它的貶值的弧度\n8% 我們才0.4%\n但是我們不能匯率...我跟委員報告就是說基本上我總覺得我們的工具機除了它對匯率以外匯率就是說它是供需來決定但是它對經濟部它也有做一些的建言而且我相信經濟部也有在協助他們\n李彥秀李委員現場\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.049 --> 00:05.196\n大家好主席我想請央行我們楊董事長請楊總裁楊總裁總裁早\n\n00:16.103 --> 00:35.908\n總裁,我們都知道虛擬貨幣是虛擬貨幣它不屬於法定貨幣是不是而且就你先前也說過說它無法調節然後波動價格波動到也沒有球場的管道也非常容易被不法的人士來利用那最近我們委員會常常在討論到\n\n00:37.228 --> 00:59.406\n尤其我觀察到我們很多的這些傳統的地下會對像這些銀樓或者是業者都是在台灣收在國內收這些台商或者是移工的現金然後就立刻從大陸或者是東南亞的這些戶頭去撥款如果被抓到因為銀行法的罰則很重\n\n01:01.294 --> 01:28.777\n那所以不消一則現在也趕著流行把這些過去張者直接兌換把它改成用虛擬貨幣用虛擬貨幣所以利用這種虛擬貨幣來做一個乾坤大樓盈假設被查處了被查獲了也會被司法機關認定說不是法定貨幣所以就是這就是一個大漏洞也許因為這樣子他不會被判刑不會被判罪那所以\n\n01:51.343 --> 02:05.199\n我想就是說就是說委員剛剛在講到就是說這個會對的問題啦那基本上就是說我們不要就是說只說看那個會對啦\n\n02:07.108 --> 02:30.796\n如果說就這個跨境的移轉你用這個虛擬通貨的話他就比較容易那我跟委員報告就是說像中國大陸中國大陸為什麼說他會禁止這些的虛擬的廠商在那邊挖礦\n\n02:32.267 --> 02:52.796\n主要的也就是說這些呢所以呢那不只是說禁止他挖礦而且呢禁止交易為什麼就是說這個用虛擬通貨來做跨境的一個支付不要就是說是地下會對啦就是這個這個他是很容易啊他是很容易所以他才禁止他\n\n02:54.579 --> 03:07.300\n所以你說你來詢問我這個問題說實在的我也很難去回答就是說我們要如何來堵住他那當然就是說現在呢\n\n03:08.700 --> 03:31.364\n要怎麼來管理他現在就重點在於就是說你要如何來管理這些這些的虛擬通貨的這些的業者對啊對啊這個是問題這個就是問題所以才請教總裁因為你在委員會的討論金港會主委都有討論到我們也要求說要盡速把這個專法趕快要報上來現在大家都很著急而且這個\n\n03:38.513 --> 03:59.514\n造成後面延續衍生出來這些詐騙沒有錯沒有錯沒有辦法去規範委員講的沒有錯對對對好委員講的總裁我再請教日圓持續的貶值創下34年最低點那很多民眾都持續購買日幣因為很多人都喜歡到日本去旅遊\n\n04:00.034 --> 04:17.842\n到目前為止已經大概回復到疫情前大概八成以上那今年已經有420萬超過420萬的這個台灣的這個國人到日本去旅遊那總消費金額已經超過新台幣1635億超越中國也超越韓國居冠這個龍頭的地位\n\n04:25.706 --> 04:48.315\n我相信今年的數據一定會比去年更高甚至於說現在很多坊間不曉得各位有沒有聽過一個笑話說公司要招待員工旅遊可是老闆就跟員工宣布說我們原來安排的肯丁國旅取消了因為去日本反而比較便宜\n\n04:49.736 --> 05:16.630\n所以現在變成說在去日本住三個晚上的房間價格比在台灣國旅的飯店價格還便宜吃得好風景又漂亮買又很好買那所以現在這種狀況說日圓持續貶值造成我們國文他們的這個觀光收益日本觀光收益的增加相對台灣觀光收益的減少還有就是我們台灣的產業\n\n05:18.391 --> 05:25.382\n我們的這個手工具這個工具業在在這個\n\n05:29.417 --> 05:51.750\n我手上的資料工具機在台灣跟日本的差異性過去日本的工具機的價格大概高過台灣會有大概20到30%那所以台灣的這些工具機產業會有他的生存空間那但是因為現在因為日圓持續貶值所以\n\n05:53.393 --> 06:19.989\n日本的這些台灣的高階機種的訂單都被日商搶光了那中低階的部分又被大陸給搶光了那台灣的機械工會也指出說過去這個利基以及這個在市場上可以去依賴的這些空間都不見了那目前價格幾乎跟日本的\n\n06:21.161 --> 06:33.824\n金融一致的台灣的工具機價格跟日本金融一致那日圓如果持續再繼續貶值那台灣的工具機產業失去了競爭的優勢在這樣子的一個劣勢的情況之下\n\n06:35.038 --> 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