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00:00:38,949\n市長好在5月16號本委員會質詢的時候那我就提及因為0403蘇花公路大清水路段嚴重的崩塌他也是屬於西脊的邊坡那\n\n3\n00:00:39,870 --> 00:01:00,880\n我們看到不到半年內發生了兩次襲擊坡的這樣一個重大的事件其實對於公路的安全必須更提高層級來做處理我請教一下林信得主委我們對於這樣半年內襲擊邊坡兩次的重大邊坡運安會會啟動相關的處理跟調查嗎\n\n4\n00:01:08,391 --> 00:01:30,943\n這個是屬於環境運輸的部分我們有調查的這些相關的設備我們會支援高空局主委我必須要提醒你我們運安會針對公路系統的啟動調查有三大原則第一個原則就是死亡3人以上或者是死亡受傷10人以上\n\n5\n00:01:31,949 --> 00:01:48,268\n死亡加受傷10人以上另外就是受傷15人以上這是第一個原則第二個原則是對於有載送相關的危險物質發生洩漏或是爆炸這也要啟動相關的調查\n\n6\n00:01:50,330 --> 00:02:15,939\n第三就是相關的事件重複的發生或者是對相關的運輸安全有重大影響像對人民的生命財產有嚴重衝擊的這些事件也必須要啟動調查那你認為這樣襲擊邊坡在半年內兩次發生這樣一個大攤房是屬於自然的因素所以不用啟動調查\n\n7\n00:02:18,144 --> 00:02:38,752\n這個如果是屬於系統性的,我們就會用...如果重複發生,現在半年內已經發生兩次,我是要特別提醒你啦。另外我們看到這一次的6月3日的台二線70公里出了這個崩塌,當然它自災的一個狀況,\n\n8\n00:02:40,540 --> 00:03:08,726\n地震以及相關的這種極端型氣候豪雨的沖刷導致土壤邊坡富含水分那我們也看到它的這個土壤上的直坯的植物其實生長也都算正常沒有崩塌的這樣的一個徵兆那近幾年也沒有發生這種土石崩塌的情況它是屬於無預警的這樣的一個崩塌來次長說明一下\n\n9\n00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:31,722\n我先請教你部長說6月11日之前要來搶通目前的進度以及狀況必須在安全無虞的狀況下通車來說明一下是我想委員特別提到部長也去當地勘栽了以後了解狀況以後也做了因為有一萬兩千方要\n\n10\n00:03:32,102 --> 00:03:35,824\n在6月11日之前應該是省慎能夠通車而且是在安全無虞的狀況這是我的一個\n\n11\n00:03:57,170 --> 00:04:11,203\n最重要的監督的原則必須要安全無虞是一定安全無虞的情況下那我們剛才看到我們這些ABCD的這四級的邊坡其實他都有他的一個巡查監測檢查相關的機制\n\n12\n00:04:14,506 --> 00:04:40,887\n像我們在這些邊坡其實都有定期的巡查也有定期的這樣的一個監測還有相關的就是地毛的一個檢查那其實這些部分我們看到相關的這些邊坡我要提醒次長我們西級加上西家級總共有600多處對不對\n\n13\n00:04:43,983 --> 00:05:06,941\n總共有603處公路局的方面我要跟各位說明的是C級有明確的定義C加就是介於B跟C之間就叫C加總共有600多處部長有說在一個月內要進行相關的盤點我們的量能夠嗎?人員夠嗎?在一個月內針對這600多處的C加\n\n14\n00:05:12,557 --> 00:05:40,057\n以及西極的這些邊坡能夠做盤點嗎來說明一下我想這部分我的瞭解應該是沒有問題的那是不是詳情我請公路局做說明一下公路局說明一下各位報告因為我們會先由這個經濟部的地質這個調查還有礦物中心他有一個這個山崩雲也就是山崩地質地滑的一些敏感區那先做大範圍的一個套疊\n\n15\n00:05:40,777 --> 00:06:06,855\n那到底以後就是說針對就是說在這一個稀奇邊坡又在這個地質敏感區的這個部分的話會特別的檢測那其他的部分的話有一些部分我們必須要做相關的3D建模因為這個是一個月先做一個初步的一個檢測那之後的話因為它的一個就是說經濟部地料中心的一個尺寸規模比較大有些部分我們必須要做更深入的一個一個調查地質的一個踏桿\n\n16\n00:06:07,535 --> 00:06:17,901\n那這個部分後續還會有其他的一個時程規劃我們目前的檢測的機制有分成三種你們也清楚屬於定期的檢測隨機的檢測特別的檢測那\n\n17\n00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:43,591\n我們其實都有相關的這樣的一個機制並不是說西級的邊坡就沒有做巡查跟監測這是不對的我要提醒你們剛才有委員在質詢你們應該提出說明定期的這樣的一個檢測包括包括邊坡的巡查他基本上\n\n18\n00:06:44,913 --> 00:06:55,000\nA級的話是一個月一次B級的話是一季一次C級的話是一年一次D級的話是三年一次是不是這樣\n\n19\n00:06:57,727 --> 00:07:07,535\n那是檢測我們原則上巡查的部分是每週巡查每週那特別檢那個一般檢測的話就是像我講的就是監測檢測都有這樣的一個機制嘛那我們現在半年內這個西極邊坡已經兩次的這個自災啊造成\n\n20\n00:07:17,623 --> 00:07:38,823\n人民生命財產的一個交通安全的威脅那我們應該去檢討這個邊坡的分級機制那我們邊坡改善的前後應該這個分級要納入考量就是說原本AB級如果它經過改善它也有可能變成C級對不對那這些C級變成C級之後\n\n21\n00:07:41,826 --> 00:08:06,116\n我們還是要提高它相關的巡查跟檢測的頻率應該是這樣吧來說明一下各位報告就是說C級的部分就是說透過這個巡查或檢測它有不穩定的話就會升級了就直接把它升級到B級那B級的話就是說這種像這個優先關注邊坡的話每一季我們還做無人機的一個飛行建模這是升級的部分對\n\n22\n00:08:06,876 --> 00:08:31,461\n會就是說巡查或是檢測或者是因為他攀方後（他B級經過改善之後他有可能會降為C（對對對他如果穩定以後我現在講的就是說B級如果降為C加或是C級的話他相關的巡查及檢測還是要高於一般C級的這樣的一個檢測是所以我們這一次的包括這個監測跟這個分級的這個部分我們會一併通案的檢討另外我們要\n\n23\n00:08:32,841 --> 00:08:50,076\n將平凡降雨的地區因為它含水性會更高與平緩地震之後相關的結構穩定性要加以細分來增加各種情境係數的納入考量還有我們要建立\n\n24\n00:08:50,777 --> 00:09:17,639\n復活性的天災如平緩地震或連續降雨的這樣的一個機制那即使在每一次地震以及豪雨之後我都會提醒交通部門相關單位必須注意相關的土石崩塌以及邊坡的滑死相關的這些土石流的這樣的一個處理這都是次長要去加以督促另外我們的這個整體\n\n25\n00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:39,597\n三體來作為單位的全域管理機制因為我們現在有時候上坡邊坡滑落他也會牽動下坡的這樣的一個也會被沖落的這樣一個狀況這樣必須是以整個三體來作為單位的全域管理機制有沒有問題來說明一下\n\n26\n00:09:41,358 --> 00:09:59,585\n我想跟委員報告,這樣剛才委員特別提到的這個就是整個上邊坡一直到坡頂的這樣的一個檢查這一個機制呢,其實在我如果沒記錯在國山走山以後其實在公路法就已經有訂定相關應該要檢查而且要處理的一個機制,所以這沒問題。\n\n27\n00:10:00,365 --> 00:10:10,570\n最後的時間我認為我們應該要加速辦理邊坡的防護計畫相關的進度我們現在公路局統計現有的邊坡A級有258處B級有49處C級有22處C級有603處D級有776處那總計列管達到1708處\n\n28\n00:10:24,716 --> 00:10:47,515\n那其中A級的邊坡是有45處改為啊列為這個優先改善的這樣的一個邊坡那我要請教一下那其餘的213處的這個A級還有49處的B級到目前好像沒有看到提出相關的改善計畫是不是來說明一下\n\n29\n00:10:49,136 --> 00:11:15,364\n是各位報告就是說相關的這一個監測跟改善計畫如果有需要他如果不穩定的話其實都有都有相關的一個持續的一個改善計畫那只是說這一個但目前就是沒有期程也沒有計畫嗎對不對如果是還在災害還沒有修復完成的話其實就都有修復復建計畫像4月3號之後的話包括台八台九線的邊坡的部分的話都有相關的一個復建計畫\n\n30\n00:11:16,404 --> 00:11:36,172\n我想在地震頻繁的臺灣在全球極端氣候的這樣的一個肆虐的狀況地震加上豪雨可能是未來常見的這樣的一個大自然的現象那對於公路系統相關的引起是邊坡的安全保障是次長是交通部\n\n31\n00:11:36,972 --> 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來說明一下我想這部分我的瞭解應該是沒有問題的那是不是詳情我請公路局做說明一下公路局說明一下各位報告因為我們會先由這個經濟部的地質這個調查還有礦物中心他有一個這個山崩雲也就是山崩地質地滑的一些敏感區那先做大範圍的一個套疊\n340777\t366855\t那到底以後就是說針對就是說在這一個稀奇邊坡又在這個地質敏感區的這個部分的話會特別的檢測那其他的部分的話有一些部分我們必須要做相關的3D建模因為這個是一個月先做一個初步的一個檢測那之後的話因為它的一個就是說經濟部地料中心的一個尺寸規模比較大有些部分我們必須要做更深入的一個一個調查地質的一個踏桿\n367535\t377901\t那這個部分後續還會有其他的一個時程規劃我們目前的檢測的機制有分成三種你們也清楚屬於定期的檢測隨機的檢測特別的檢測那\n383120\t403591\t我們其實都有相關的這樣的一個機制並不是說西級的邊坡就沒有做巡查跟監測這是不對的我要提醒你們剛才有委員在質詢你們應該提出說明定期的這樣的一個檢測包括包括邊坡的巡查他基本上\n404913\t415000\tA級的話是一個月一次B級的話是一季一次C級的話是一年一次D級的話是三年一次是不是這樣\n417727\t427535\t那是檢測我們原則上巡查的部分是每週巡查每週那特別檢那個一般檢測的話就是像我講的就是監測檢測都有這樣的一個機制嘛那我們現在半年內這個西極邊坡已經兩次的這個自災啊造成\n437623\t458823\t人民生命財產的一個交通安全的威脅那我們應該去檢討這個邊坡的分級機制那我們邊坡改善的前後應該這個分級要納入考量就是說原本AB級如果它經過改善它也有可能變成C級對不對那這些C級變成C級之後\n461826\t486116\t我們還是要提高它相關的巡查跟檢測的頻率應該是這樣吧 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來說明一下我想這部分我的瞭解應該是沒有問題的那是不是詳情我請公路局做說明一下公路局說明一下各位報告因為我們會先由這個經濟部的地質這個調查還有礦物中心他有一個這個山崩雲也就是山崩地質地滑的一些敏感區那先做大範圍的一個套疊\n那到底以後就是說針對就是說在這一個稀奇邊坡又在這個地質敏感區的這個部分的話會特別的檢測那其他的部分的話有一些部分我們必須要做相關的3D建模因為這個是一個月先做一個初步的一個檢測那之後的話因為它的一個就是說經濟部地料中心的一個尺寸規模比較大有些部分我們必須要做更深入的一個一個調查地質的一個踏桿\n那這個部分後續還會有其他的一個時程規劃我們目前的檢測的機制有分成三種你們也清楚屬於定期的檢測隨機的檢測特別的檢測那\n我們其實都有相關的這樣的一個機制並不是說西級的邊坡就沒有做巡查跟監測這是不對的我要提醒你們剛才有委員在質詢你們應該提出說明定期的這樣的一個檢測包括包括邊坡的巡查他基本上\nA級的話是一個月一次B級的話是一季一次C級的話是一年一次D級的話是三年一次是不是這樣\n那是檢測我們原則上巡查的部分是每週巡查每週那特別檢那個一般檢測的話就是像我講的就是監測檢測都有這樣的一個機制嘛那我們現在半年內這個西極邊坡已經兩次的這個自災啊造成\n人民生命財產的一個交通安全的威脅那我們應該去檢討這個邊坡的分級機制那我們邊坡改善的前後應該這個分級要納入考量就是說原本AB級如果它經過改善它也有可能變成C級對不對那這些C級變成C級之後\n我們還是要提高它相關的巡查跟檢測的頻率應該是這樣吧 來說明一下各位報告就是說C級的部分就是說透過這個巡查或檢測它有不穩定的話就會升級了就直接把它升級到B級那B級的話就是說這種像這個優先關注邊坡的話每一季我們還做無人機的一個飛行建模這是升級的部分對\n會就是說巡查或是檢測或者是因為他攀方後（他B級經過改善之後他有可能會降為C（對對對他如果穩定以後我現在講的就是說B級如果降為C加或是C級的話他相關的巡查及檢測還是要高於一般C級的這樣的一個檢測是所以我們這一次的包括這個監測跟這個分級的這個部分我們會一併通案的檢討另外我們要\n將平凡降雨的地區因為它含水性會更高與平緩地震之後相關的結構穩定性要加以細分來增加各種情境係數的納入考量還有我們要建立\n復活性的天災如平緩地震或連續降雨的這樣的一個機制那即使在每一次地震以及豪雨之後我都會提醒交通部門相關單位必須注意相關的土石崩塌以及邊坡的滑死相關的這些土石流的這樣的一個處理這都是次長要去加以督促另外我們的這個整體\n三體來作為單位的全域管理機制因為我們現在有時候上坡邊坡滑落他也會牽動下坡的這樣的一個也會被沖落的這樣一個狀況這樣必須是以整個三體來作為單位的全域管理機制有沒有問題來說明一下\n我想跟委員報告,這樣剛才委員特別提到的這個就是整個上邊坡一直到坡頂的這樣的一個檢查這一個機制呢,其實在我如果沒記錯在國山走山以後其實在公路法就已經有訂定相關應該要檢查而且要處理的一個機制,所以這沒問題。\n最後的時間我認為我們應該要加速辦理邊坡的防護計畫相關的進度我們現在公路局統計現有的邊坡A級有258處B級有49處C級有22處C級有603處D級有776處那總計列管達到1708處\n那其中A級的邊坡是有45處改為啊列為這個優先改善的這樣的一個邊坡那我要請教一下那其餘的213處的這個A級還有49處的B級到目前好像沒有看到提出相關的改善計畫是不是來說明一下\n是各位報告就是說相關的這一個監測跟改善計畫如果有需要他如果不穩定的話其實都有都有相關的一個持續的一個改善計畫那只是說這一個但目前就是沒有期程也沒有計畫嗎對不對如果是還在災害還沒有修復完成的話其實就都有修復復建計畫像4月3號之後的話包括台八台九線的邊坡的部分的話都有相關的一個復建計畫\n我想在地震頻繁的臺灣在全球極端氣候的這樣的一個肆虐的狀況地震加上豪雨可能是未來常見的這樣的一個大自然的現象那對於公路系統相關的引起是邊坡的安全保障是次長是交通部\n以及局長必須要全力督促來保障民眾交通安全的一個基本的這樣的一個保障這個是要全力以赴的以上\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:08.249 --> 00:15.754\n謝謝陳雪生召委,請一下陳彥博次長,林信得主委,以及陳文瑞局長\n\n00:21.356 --> 00:38.949\n市長好在5月16號本委員會質詢的時候那我就提及因為0403蘇花公路大清水路段嚴重的崩塌他也是屬於西脊的邊坡那\n\n00:39.870 --> 01:00.880\n我們看到不到半年內發生了兩次襲擊坡的這樣一個重大的事件其實對於公路的安全必須更提高層級來做處理我請教一下林信得主委我們對於這樣半年內襲擊邊坡兩次的重大邊坡運安會會啟動相關的處理跟調查嗎\n\n01:08.391 --> 01:30.943\n這個是屬於環境運輸的部分我們有調查的這些相關的設備我們會支援高空局主委我必須要提醒你我們運安會針對公路系統的啟動調查有三大原則第一個原則就是死亡3人以上或者是死亡受傷10人以上\n\n01:31.949 --> 01:48.268\n死亡加受傷10人以上另外就是受傷15人以上這是第一個原則第二個原則是對於有載送相關的危險物質發生洩漏或是爆炸這也要啟動相關的調查\n\n01:50.330 --> 02:15.939\n第三就是相關的事件重複的發生或者是對相關的運輸安全有重大影響像對人民的生命財產有嚴重衝擊的這些事件也必須要啟動調查那你認為這樣襲擊邊坡在半年內兩次發生這樣一個大攤房是屬於自然的因素所以不用啟動調查\n\n02:18.144 --> 02:38.752\n這個如果是屬於系統性的,我們就會用...如果重複發生,現在半年內已經發生兩次,我是要特別提醒你啦。另外我們看到這一次的6月3日的台二線70公里出了這個崩塌,當然它自災的一個狀況,\n\n02:40.540 --> 03:08.726\n地震以及相關的這種極端型氣候豪雨的沖刷導致土壤邊坡富含水分那我們也看到它的這個土壤上的直坯的植物其實生長也都算正常沒有崩塌的這樣的一個徵兆那近幾年也沒有發生這種土石崩塌的情況它是屬於無預警的這樣的一個崩塌來次長說明一下\n\n03:10.080 --> 03:31.722\n我先請教你部長說6月11日之前要來搶通目前的進度以及狀況必須在安全無虞的狀況下通車來說明一下是我想委員特別提到部長也去當地勘栽了以後了解狀況以後也做了因為有一萬兩千方要\n\n03:32.102 --> 03:35.824\n在6月11日之前應該是省慎能夠通車而且是在安全無虞的狀況這是我的一個\n\n03:57.170 --> 04:11.203\n最重要的監督的原則必須要安全無虞是一定安全無虞的情況下那我們剛才看到我們這些ABCD的這四級的邊坡其實他都有他的一個巡查監測檢查相關的機制\n\n04:14.506 --> 04:40.887\n像我們在這些邊坡其實都有定期的巡查也有定期的這樣的一個監測還有相關的就是地毛的一個檢查那其實這些部分我們看到相關的這些邊坡我要提醒次長我們西級加上西家級總共有600多處對不對\n\n04:43.983 --> 05:06.941\n總共有603處公路局的方面我要跟各位說明的是C級有明確的定義C加就是介於B跟C之間就叫C加總共有600多處部長有說在一個月內要進行相關的盤點我們的量能夠嗎?人員夠嗎?在一個月內針對這600多處的C加\n\n05:12.557 --> 05:40.057\n以及西極的這些邊坡能夠做盤點嗎來說明一下我想這部分我的瞭解應該是沒有問題的那是不是詳情我請公路局做說明一下公路局說明一下各位報告因為我們會先由這個經濟部的地質這個調查還有礦物中心他有一個這個山崩雲也就是山崩地質地滑的一些敏感區那先做大範圍的一個套疊\n\n05:40.777 --> 06:06.855\n那到底以後就是說針對就是說在這一個稀奇邊坡又在這個地質敏感區的這個部分的話會特別的檢測那其他的部分的話有一些部分我們必須要做相關的3D建模因為這個是一個月先做一個初步的一個檢測那之後的話因為它的一個就是說經濟部地料中心的一個尺寸規模比較大有些部分我們必須要做更深入的一個一個調查地質的一個踏桿\n\n06:07.535 --> 06:17.901\n那這個部分後續還會有其他的一個時程規劃我們目前的檢測的機制有分成三種你們也清楚屬於定期的檢測隨機的檢測特別的檢測那\n\n06:23.120 --> 06:43.591\n我們其實都有相關的這樣的一個機制並不是說西級的邊坡就沒有做巡查跟監測這是不對的我要提醒你們剛才有委員在質詢你們應該提出說明定期的這樣的一個檢測包括包括邊坡的巡查他基本上\n\n06:44.913 --> 06:55.000\nA級的話是一個月一次B級的話是一季一次C級的話是一年一次D級的話是三年一次是不是這樣\n\n06:57.727 --> 07:07.535\n那是檢測我們原則上巡查的部分是每週巡查每週那特別檢那個一般檢測的話就是像我講的就是監測檢測都有這樣的一個機制嘛那我們現在半年內這個西極邊坡已經兩次的這個自災啊造成\n\n07:17.623 --> 07:38.823\n人民生命財產的一個交通安全的威脅那我們應該去檢討這個邊坡的分級機制那我們邊坡改善的前後應該這個分級要納入考量就是說原本AB級如果它經過改善它也有可能變成C級對不對那這些C級變成C級之後\n\n07:41.826 --> 08:06.116\n我們還是要提高它相關的巡查跟檢測的頻率應該是這樣吧來說明一下各位報告就是說C級的部分就是說透過這個巡查或檢測它有不穩定的話就會升級了就直接把它升級到B級那B級的話就是說這種像這個優先關注邊坡的話每一季我們還做無人機的一個飛行建模這是升級的部分對\n\n08:06.876 --> 08:31.461\n會就是說巡查或是檢測或者是因為他攀方後（他B級經過改善之後他有可能會降為C（對對對他如果穩定以後我現在講的就是說B級如果降為C加或是C級的話他相關的巡查及檢測還是要高於一般C級的這樣的一個檢測是所以我們這一次的包括這個監測跟這個分級的這個部分我們會一併通案的檢討另外我們要\n\n08:32.841 --> 08:50.076\n將平凡降雨的地區因為它含水性會更高與平緩地震之後相關的結構穩定性要加以細分來增加各種情境係數的納入考量還有我們要建立\n\n08:50.777 --> 09:17.639\n復活性的天災如平緩地震或連續降雨的這樣的一個機制那即使在每一次地震以及豪雨之後我都會提醒交通部門相關單位必須注意相關的土石崩塌以及邊坡的滑死相關的這些土石流的這樣的一個處理這都是次長要去加以督促另外我們的這個整體\n\n09:19.080 --> 09:39.597\n三體來作為單位的全域管理機制因為我們現在有時候上坡邊坡滑落他也會牽動下坡的這樣的一個也會被沖落的這樣一個狀況這樣必須是以整個三體來作為單位的全域管理機制有沒有問題來說明一下\n\n09:41.358 --> 09:59.585\n我想跟委員報告,這樣剛才委員特別提到的這個就是整個上邊坡一直到坡頂的這樣的一個檢查這一個機制呢,其實在我如果沒記錯在國山走山以後其實在公路法就已經有訂定相關應該要檢查而且要處理的一個機制,所以這沒問題。\n\n10:00.365 --> 10:10.570\n最後的時間我認為我們應該要加速辦理邊坡的防護計畫相關的進度我們現在公路局統計現有的邊坡A級有258處B級有49處C級有22處C級有603處D級有776處那總計列管達到1708處\n\n10:24.716 --> 10:47.515\n那其中A級的邊坡是有45處改為啊列為這個優先改善的這樣的一個邊坡那我要請教一下那其餘的213處的這個A級還有49處的B級到目前好像沒有看到提出相關的改善計畫是不是來說明一下\n\n10:49.136 --> 11:15.364\n是各位報告就是說相關的這一個監測跟改善計畫如果有需要他如果不穩定的話其實都有都有相關的一個持續的一個改善計畫那只是說這一個但目前就是沒有期程也沒有計畫嗎對不對如果是還在災害還沒有修復完成的話其實就都有修復復建計畫像4月3號之後的話包括台八台九線的邊坡的部分的話都有相關的一個復建計畫\n\n11:16.404 --> 11:36.172\n我想在地震頻繁的臺灣在全球極端氣候的這樣的一個肆虐的狀況地震加上豪雨可能是未來常見的這樣的一個大自然的現象那對於公路系統相關的引起是邊坡的安全保障是次長是交通部\n\n11:36.972 --> 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