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--> 00:01:40,760\n西景應該是屬於穩定性不是那麼就是不是那麼不穩定的一個地方那竟然發生這樣子的一個意外那到底之後我們出門國人駕車出門的時候到底哪一個路段是安全的哪一個路段是比較高風險性的我想這個是國人比較關心擔憂的一個地方那是不是可以請我們次長先說明一下\n\n5\n00:01:41,921 --> 00:01:42,041\n稍後報告\n\n6\n00:01:57,621 --> 00:01:57,901\n新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞\n\n7\n00:02:26,613 --> 00:02:48,735\n是那我們就是針對C級的全盤的一個通盤檢測預計多久時間可以完成原則上C級邊坡的一個檢查那部長是希望相關的單位能夠在一個月裡頭把它完成是就是照次長剛剛回覆的一個月檢測完成之後就是有些路段有可能也是比較不穩定性有可能就是會提升為A級或B級\n\n8\n00:02:50,336 --> 00:03:14,231\n是,我們歷次幾次的總體檢完了以後都有做這樣的一個處理就是會再做一個調整區分那調整之後當然我們還是要關心的就是說那針對A級、B級這種比較高風險的一個路段我們要怎樣去確保這個安全性那我們知道就是說目前我們有這個高風險優先關注的邊坡目前我們是有45處\n\n9\n00:03:15,652 --> 00:03:35,486\n那這45處的標準我們是怎樣去評估來選定這個路段的因為我們剛剛那個李昆哲召委也有關注嘛A級有258那我們目前優先關注的只有45處那其他的呢那怎麼處理這個應該是大家關心的\n\n10\n00:03:35,806 --> 00:03:59,719\n我跟委員稍微簡單的說明一下原則上這裡大家所看到的ABCD級啊這個我們叫做這個叫定量就是大家認為說這是比較危險的用這種描述性的那剛才特別提到的所以在這個定量分析裡面公路局的這個邊坡管理制度他還引進了所謂的那剛才是定性的分析啦那還引進所謂定量的分析就是意思就是說要針對AB級的邊坡\n\n11\n00:04:01,420 --> 00:04:20,515\n他會去打他分數看他的這個掉落的情形還有邊坡的一個狀況等等的他會做一些落實的危害的分析的一個評估打完分數了以後他會分成一二三四五級在這種五級裡頭對於三級以上的他找出來\n\n12\n00:04:21,155 --> 00:04:34,171\n就是大家現在在對外投入來講的就是優先的關注名單所以他關注名單是從A、B級裡頭再去把他篩選出來最嚴重要持續關注他的會再去進一步細分五個等級\n\n13\n00:04:37,414 --> 00:05:01,242\n堅固了所謂大家講的定性跟定量的分析當然在這樣的分析的制度裡頭其實是還算是有一定的一個嚴謹度那還是有所謂西極邊坡還是有被意思就是說還是沒有列在這裡面那這也就是我剛才講的後續我們會針對西極邊坡也就是我們邊坡分級管理制度有沒有哪些因素我們是沒有考慮到的我們會再做一些檢討以上\n\n14\n00:05:02,202 --> 00:05:16,899\n那就是說針對優先關注的邊坡我們就是會有其他的一些工程的加強或技術性的一個改善就對了對那優先的邊坡剛才講三級他會三級以上所以有三級啊那三級的話剛才就講有巡檢啊或者因為\n\n15\n00:05:17,499 --> 00:05:39,553\n我們大概就每季就會去飛那4級以上的那就是我們認為是很嚴謹的我們就委託一些單位來對於這些邊坡來做一些有關類似像邊坡的這個變異的一個分析或數值模型的比對那找到說這些危害的因素在哪裡我們應該怎麼樣把它處理掉\n\n16\n00:05:39,993 --> 00:05:56,531\n是,好,那另外我們也有針對可能應該是比較高危險性的路段有裝設這個落石告警系統,是不是?那這部分我們目前裝了哪些地方?那這些地方跟剛剛我們所謂的優先關注的路段是,會是同樣的路段嗎?\n\n17\n00:05:57,451 --> 00:06:22,796\n呃原則上會剛才講優先關注以後呢他會就會做一些呃這個呃科技上的一個巡檢科技巡檢完以後他就會改善那如果這些改善的路段是呃人力或者是機械無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無\n\n18\n00:06:23,936 --> 00:06:44,710\n呃,這個所謂的告警系統當然就是說要提醒可能有落實嗎?那這樣子的一個告警系統是對內的還是對外?就是一般民眾可以看得到嗎?可以看得到的。我們有些在這個會在前面會示警告訴大家前方有落實等等的。會,會。前方有落實是?\n\n19\n00:06:45,370 --> 00:07:03,512\n他掉下來因為我們落實告警如果已經開始在掉了我們就會提醒就是已經有落實下來讓大家知道是會透過簡訊還是說透過怎樣的東西去告我們原則上前面會有CMS的警示的這個來告訴大家\n\n20\n00:07:04,393 --> 00:07:22,978\n電視看板電視看板對電視看板的那種告示對對對對對對是我想因為這個大家都很關心因為畢竟我們出門在外就是在外面就是開車上路也希望就是說一路都能夠平安所以對這樣子比較有高風險性的路段大家都是會比較擔憂的\n\n21\n00:07:28,979 --> 00:07:48,626\n主席再給我兩分鐘時間我再關心一下有關我們的那個機車考照的部分那我們知道就是說目前我們根據這個統計數字看得出來就是說目前機車事故而死亡的人數啊占這個整體的交通事故死亡人數已經超過六成了\n\n22\n00:07:49,346 --> 00:08:18,755\n所以這個我們也知道機車是我們國人最普遍使用的一個交通工具所以要怎樣讓這個機車的行車安全這個事故能夠降低我想也是大家要努力的一個目標那我們也看到就是有一個數字就是我們這個機車要考照那考照如果是透過駕訓班的一個訓練之後他的一個違規率是會大幅的一個下降我想這對整個提升機車騎士的一個\n\n23\n00:08:19,275 --> 00:08:46,160\n行車安全也是有很大的一個幫助那這樣子的就是考照我們目前公路局的駕訓部分有補助就是我們國人去考照的時候透過駕訓班考照是可以有補助的那這個補助的一個政策好像是到今年11月30號到期那我想請問一下這個這麼好的一個政策是不是可以再跟他延續我的了解應該會繼續是不是請局長說明一下\n\n24\n00:08:49,201 --> 00:08:56,519\n好,各位報告就是說這個機車駕訓的補助在今年有實施那未來年度我們也有別人預算這樣子\n\n25\n00:08:57,407 --> 00:09:24,376\n所以就是可以再延長就對了是是是是好那因為我們也看到就是最近應該是昨天我們也公布了新的一個機車考試的一個題目一個類型就是會加入的那個感知的一個感知影片的一個考試我想這個都是與時俱進的一個方式當然就是對我們未來機車騎士的一個行車安全\n\n26\n00:09:25,598 --> 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個目標那我們也看到就是有一個數字就是我們這個機車要考照那考照如果是透過駕訓班的一個訓練之後他的一個違規率是會大幅的一個下降我想這對整個提升機車騎士的一個\n行車安全也是有很大的一個幫助那這樣子的就是考照我們目前公路局的駕訓部分有補助就是我們國人去考照的時候透過駕訓班考照是可以有補助的那這個補助的一個政策好像是到今年11月30號到期那我想請問一下這個這麼好的一個政策是不是可以再跟他延續我的了解應該會繼續是不是請局長說明一下\n好,各位報告就是說這個機車駕訓的補助在今年有實施那未來年度我們也有別人預算這樣子\n所以就是可以再延長就對了是是是是好那因為我們也看到就是最近應該是昨天我們也公布了新的一個機車考試的一個題目一個類型就是會加入的那個感知的一個感知影片的一個考試我想這個都是與時俱進的一個方式當然就是對我們未來機車騎士的一個行車安全\n提升一個很好的方式所以我們也希望就是說好的政策也希望政府能夠繼續的實施謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.636 --> 00:14.181\n謝謝主席請主席邀請呃陳次長還有陳局長陳文瑞局長還有局長齁陳局長呃委員好呃次長早安早呃我們交通部對於呃這個公路旁的這個邊坡的一個管理啊就是有依據他的這個呃穩定性跟不穩定性有分為呃五個等級嘛齁就是A級B級C級\n\n00:34.835 --> 00:35.776\n新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞\n\n00:54.326 --> 01:15.749\n那我們看到這一次就是這個6月3號的我們就是台二線70公里處的這一次的這個邊坡滑落的這個意外事件他是屬於西級所以可能就是會造成國人的一些就是比較疑惑或者是擔憂的地方就是說\n\n01:17.210 --> 01:40.760\n西景應該是屬於穩定性不是那麼就是不是那麼不穩定的一個地方那竟然發生這樣子的一個意外那到底之後我們出門國人駕車出門的時候到底哪一個路段是安全的哪一個路段是比較高風險性的我想這個是國人比較關心擔憂的一個地方那是不是可以請我們次長先說明一下\n\n01:41.921 --> 01:42.041\n稍後報告\n\n01:57.621 --> 01:57.901\n新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞\n\n02:26.613 --> 02:48.735\n是那我們就是針對C級的全盤的一個通盤檢測預計多久時間可以完成原則上C級邊坡的一個檢查那部長是希望相關的單位能夠在一個月裡頭把它完成是就是照次長剛剛回覆的一個月檢測完成之後就是有些路段有可能也是比較不穩定性有可能就是會提升為A級或B級\n\n02:50.336 --> 03:14.231\n是,我們歷次幾次的總體檢完了以後都有做這樣的一個處理就是會再做一個調整區分那調整之後當然我們還是要關心的就是說那針對A級、B級這種比較高風險的一個路段我們要怎樣去確保這個安全性那我們知道就是說目前我們有這個高風險優先關注的邊坡目前我們是有45處\n\n03:15.652 --> 03:35.486\n那這45處的標準我們是怎樣去評估來選定這個路段的因為我們剛剛那個李昆哲召委也有關注嘛A級有258那我們目前優先關注的只有45處那其他的呢那怎麼處理這個應該是大家關心的\n\n03:35.806 --> 03:59.719\n我跟委員稍微簡單的說明一下原則上這裡大家所看到的ABCD級啊這個我們叫做這個叫定量就是大家認為說這是比較危險的用這種描述性的那剛才特別提到的所以在這個定量分析裡面公路局的這個邊坡管理制度他還引進了所謂的那剛才是定性的分析啦那還引進所謂定量的分析就是意思就是說要針對AB級的邊坡\n\n04:01.420 --> 04:20.515\n他會去打他分數看他的這個掉落的情形還有邊坡的一個狀況等等的他會做一些落實的危害的分析的一個評估打完分數了以後他會分成一二三四五級在這種五級裡頭對於三級以上的他找出來\n\n04:21.155 --> 04:34.171\n就是大家現在在對外投入來講的就是優先的關注名單所以他關注名單是從A、B級裡頭再去把他篩選出來最嚴重要持續關注他的會再去進一步細分五個等級\n\n04:37.414 --> 05:01.242\n堅固了所謂大家講的定性跟定量的分析當然在這樣的分析的制度裡頭其實是還算是有一定的一個嚴謹度那還是有所謂西極邊坡還是有被意思就是說還是沒有列在這裡面那這也就是我剛才講的後續我們會針對西極邊坡也就是我們邊坡分級管理制度有沒有哪些因素我們是沒有考慮到的我們會再做一些檢討以上\n\n05:02.202 --> 05:16.899\n那就是說針對優先關注的邊坡我們就是會有其他的一些工程的加強或技術性的一個改善就對了對那優先的邊坡剛才講三級他會三級以上所以有三級啊那三級的話剛才就講有巡檢啊或者因為\n\n05:17.499 --> 05:39.553\n我們大概就每季就會去飛那4級以上的那就是我們認為是很嚴謹的我們就委託一些單位來對於這些邊坡來做一些有關類似像邊坡的這個變異的一個分析或數值模型的比對那找到說這些危害的因素在哪裡我們應該怎麼樣把它處理掉\n\n05:39.993 --> 05:56.531\n是,好,那另外我們也有針對可能應該是比較高危險性的路段有裝設這個落石告警系統,是不是?那這部分我們目前裝了哪些地方?那這些地方跟剛剛我們所謂的優先關注的路段是,會是同樣的路段嗎?\n\n05:57.451 --> 06:22.796\n呃原則上會剛才講優先關注以後呢他會就會做一些呃這個呃科技上的一個巡檢科技巡檢完以後他就會改善那如果這些改善的路段是呃人力或者是機械無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無無\n\n06:23.936 --> 06:44.710\n呃,這個所謂的告警系統當然就是說要提醒可能有落實嗎?那這樣子的一個告警系統是對內的還是對外?就是一般民眾可以看得到嗎?可以看得到的。我們有些在這個會在前面會示警告訴大家前方有落實等等的。會,會。前方有落實是?\n\n06:45.370 --> 07:03.512\n他掉下來因為我們落實告警如果已經開始在掉了我們就會提醒就是已經有落實下來讓大家知道是會透過簡訊還是說透過怎樣的東西去告我們原則上前面會有CMS的警示的這個來告訴大家\n\n07:04.393 --> 07:22.978\n電視看板電視看板對電視看板的那種告示對對對對對對是我想因為這個大家都很關心因為畢竟我們出門在外就是在外面就是開車上路也希望就是說一路都能夠平安所以對這樣子比較有高風險性的路段大家都是會比較擔憂的\n\n07:28.979 --> 07:48.626\n主席再給我兩分鐘時間我再關心一下有關我們的那個機車考照的部分那我們知道就是說目前我們根據這個統計數字看得出來就是說目前機車事故而死亡的人數啊占這個整體的交通事故死亡人數已經超過六成了\n\n07:49.346 --> 08:18.755\n所以這個我們也知道機車是我們國人最普遍使用的一個交通工具所以要怎樣讓這個機車的行車安全這個事故能夠降低我想也是大家要努力的一個目標那我們也看到就是有一個數字就是我們這個機車要考照那考照如果是透過駕訓班的一個訓練之後他的一個違規率是會大幅的一個下降我想這對整個提升機車騎士的一個\n\n08:19.275 --> 08:46.160\n行車安全也是有很大的一個幫助那這樣子的就是考照我們目前公路局的駕訓部分有補助就是我們國人去考照的時候透過駕訓班考照是可以有補助的那這個補助的一個政策好像是到今年11月30號到期那我想請問一下這個這麼好的一個政策是不是可以再跟他延續我的了解應該會繼續是不是請局長說明一下\n\n08:49.201 --> 08:56.519\n好,各位報告就是說這個機車駕訓的補助在今年有實施那未來年度我們也有別人預算這樣子\n\n08:57.407 --> 09:24.376\n所以就是可以再延長就對了是是是是好那因為我們也看到就是最近應該是昨天我們也公布了新的一個機車考試的一個題目一個類型就是會加入的那個感知的一個感知影片的一個考試我想這個都是與時俱進的一個方式當然就是對我們未來機車騎士的一個行車安全\n\n09:25.598 --> 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