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00:02:32,113\n而已經進行了五波但是房價仍然就是一年攀的一年比一年高包括我們央行的經驗處的處長之前也分析我們房價的景氣房市的景氣確實比上半年更熱絡主要的原因有三個一個\n\n9\n00:02:33,254 --> 00:02:33,714\n總裁,你同意這三個理由是造成我們房價\n\n10\n00:02:56,016 --> 00:03:23,304\n往上走的原因嗎?我在想他是說最近啦最近的因素啦那基本上呢應該是我覺得也蠻能夠蠻合理的啦他這種說法但是總裁就是說財政部我們拼命在打房我們希望用調控政策讓房價不要漲但是你們今年處處長說新清安政策把這個房價推高\n\n11\n00:03:24,451 --> 00:03:25,612\n新青安市健全房市的一個\n\n12\n00:03:49,724 --> 00:04:06,027\n的一個政策他其中的一個政策因為他這個就是說要照顧那個就是說年輕人沒有財的年輕人對對不過我跟委員報告但是你認為這個也是在市場上走的原因但是呢你如果說假設說\n\n13\n00:04:07,128 --> 00:04:20,778\n假設啦我現在也沒有就是說我現在假設他也是其中就是說因為他需求需求高了以後呢因為市場的氛圍呢就整個從本來是要下來的那現在就變成上來的話\n\n14\n00:04:22,259 --> 00:04:22,399\n李彥秀\n\n15\n00:04:39,648 --> 00:05:06,791\n總裁因為我的時間有限就是說房價會升的會一直往上走其實還有很多不同的因素我也曾經聽過不動產公會說你不斷地升我的利息還加上現在的五缺缺工缺人什麼都缺他羊毛出在楊家成本就是這麼高所以他必須是這麼高所以其實這也是業界不同的聲音在所以部長總裁我要請問就是說現在打房抑制房價\n\n16\n00:05:08,012 --> 00:05:08,392\n我跟委員報告\n\n17\n00:05:28,802 --> 00:05:53,788\n關心房價之後會不會造成泡沫影響到我們的經濟穩定這個才是我們專案銀行的最主要關心房價的手段過去你沒有做出很多手段那我想請問升息會不會是你的工具手段之一\n\n18\n00:05:54,922 --> 00:06:04,430\n我跟委員報告,事實上我們一直認為我們認為升息是我們針對的是我們的通膨但是呢,我們如果說對入了通膨以後那這個升息對房價對這個房地產市場他也有impact\n\n19\n00:06:16,300 --> 00:06:32,041\n但是呢我就說升息不是我們主要要對付那個什麼房價的而是我們升息要主要是對付這個房地產的對付通膨的但是呢升息呢對於這個房地產呢他也會有影響\n\n20\n00:06:34,107 --> 00:06:35,970\n總裁,你上次在3月21日無預警調了半碼,為了因應我們可能通膨升電價後續的通膨,你覺得現在有沒有達到那個效果?\n\n21\n00:06:51,169 --> 00:07:00,575\n我跟委員報告,效果也不是說利率你一調升就馬上會有效果,不過我跟委員報告,剛剛你如果說看看仔細看看就是說我們的CPI我們的這個17項的民生用品,你的最少購買一次的商品的物價\n\n22\n00:07:24,692 --> 00:07:46,472\n總裁,我聽懂你的說明,但是上次吳育瑾的升息半碼,現在但是我們看這一第一季的經濟指數還有我們現在的那個CPI表現得不錯,但CPI也通過您的防線,連續三年通過您的防線,就是超過二。當時你會不會想說我如果當時升息一碼會更好?\n\n23\n00:07:47,313 --> 00:07:47,553\n李彥秀\n\n24\n00:08:08,118 --> 00:08:22,615\n昨天總裁我昨天關注到經濟部部長在委員會有提到接下來能源政策重大的改變就是用電政策重大的改變能源政策接下來會增加企業的成本也就是未來就是我們不再做補貼\n\n25\n00:08:23,616 --> 00:08:23,776\n﹚李彥秀\n\n26\n00:08:39,425 --> 00:08:59,885\n總裁,你有沒有聽到這是一個整個很大的變革你有沒有參與相關的會議沒有總裁你覺得說未來如果整個經濟部就是說未來各部會的補貼就是你們回到各部會不用我們不再用稅基順序去補貼又念大會要大幅的調整你個人認為這個對於經濟整個大波動會不會有影響\n\n27\n00:09:03,789 --> 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股市大家錢很多股市看起來很好他有可能造成經濟的這個房價的推升喔但是從2020開始我們央行祭出五波的信用管制措施調控房價的方法跟方式看起來\n而已經進行了五波但是房價仍然就是一年攀的一年比一年高包括我們央行的經驗處的處長之前也分析我們房價的景氣房市的景氣確實比上半年更熱絡主要的原因有三個一個\n總裁,你同意這三個理由是造成我們房價\n往上走的原因嗎?我在想他是說最近啦最近的因素啦那基本上呢應該是我覺得也蠻能夠蠻合理的啦他這種說法但是總裁就是說財政部我們拼命在打房我們希望用調控政策讓房價不要漲但是你們今年處處長說新清安政策把這個房價推高\n新青安市健全房市的一個\n的一個政策他其中的一個政策因為他這個就是說要照顧那個就是說年輕人沒有財的年輕人對對不過我跟委員報告但是你認為這個也是在市場上走的原因但是呢你如果說假設說\n假設啦我現在也沒有就是說我現在假設他也是其中就是說因為他需求需求高了以後呢因為市場的氛圍呢就整個從本來是要下來的那現在就變成上來的話\n李彥秀\n總裁因為我的時間有限就是說房價會升的會一直往上走其實還有很多不同的因素我也曾經聽過不動產公會說你不斷地升我的利息還加上現在的五缺缺工缺人什麼都缺他羊毛出在楊家成本就是這麼高所以他必須是這麼高所以其實這也是業界不同的聲音在所以部長總裁我要請問就是說現在打房抑制房價\n我跟委員報告\n關心房價之後會不會造成泡沫影響到我們的經濟穩定這個才是我們專案銀行的最主要關心房價的手段過去你沒有做出很多手段那我想請問升息會不會是你的工具手段之一\n我跟委員報告,事實上我們一直認為我們認為升息是我們針對的是我們的通膨但是呢,我們如果說對入了通膨以後那這個升息對房價對這個房地產市場他也有impact\n但是呢我就說升息不是我們主要要對付那個什麼房價的而是我們升息要主要是對付這個房地產的對付通膨的但是呢升息呢對於這個房地產呢他也會有影響\n總裁,你上次在3月21日無預警調了半碼,為了因應我們可能通膨升電價後續的通膨,你覺得現在有沒有達到那個效果?\n我跟委員報告,效果也不是說利率你一調升就馬上會有效果,不過我跟委員報告,剛剛你如果說看看仔細看看就是說我們的CPI我們的這個17項的民生用品,你的最少購買一次的商品的物價\n總裁,我聽懂你的說明,但是上次吳育瑾的升息半碼,現在但是我們看這一第一季的經濟指數還有我們現在的那個CPI表現得不錯,但CPI也通過您的防線,連續三年通過您的防線,就是超過二。當時你會不會想說我如果當時升息一碼會更好?\n李彥秀\n昨天總裁我昨天關注到經濟部部長在委員會有提到接下來能源政策重大的改變就是用電政策重大的改變能源政策接下來會增加企業的成本也就是未來就是我們不再做補貼\n﹚李彥秀\n總裁,你有沒有聽到這是一個整個很大的變革你有沒有參與相關的會議沒有總裁你覺得說未來如果整個經濟部就是說未來各部會的補貼就是你們回到各部會不用我們不再用稅基順序去補貼又念大會要大幅的調整你個人認為這個對於經濟整個大波動會不會有影響\n我覺得使用者互惠這是一般的我知道您支持但是用電大戶未來要大幅的增加就是大幅的調漲電價你認為對於我們的整體的企業跟經濟會不會有影響所以我當然你現在委員現在就說\n會不會有影響那這個是大概是要做study啦齁要做一個 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02:32.113\n而已經進行了五波但是房價仍然就是一年攀的一年比一年高包括我們央行的經驗處的處長之前也分析我們房價的景氣房市的景氣確實比上半年更熱絡主要的原因有三個一個\n\n02:33.254 --> 02:33.714\n總裁,你同意這三個理由是造成我們房價\n\n02:56.016 --> 03:23.304\n往上走的原因嗎?我在想他是說最近啦最近的因素啦那基本上呢應該是我覺得也蠻能夠蠻合理的啦他這種說法但是總裁就是說財政部我們拼命在打房我們希望用調控政策讓房價不要漲但是你們今年處處長說新清安政策把這個房價推高\n\n03:24.451 --> 03:25.612\n新青安市健全房市的一個\n\n03:49.724 --> 04:06.027\n的一個政策他其中的一個政策因為他這個就是說要照顧那個就是說年輕人沒有財的年輕人對對不過我跟委員報告但是你認為這個也是在市場上走的原因但是呢你如果說假設說\n\n04:07.128 --> 04:20.778\n假設啦我現在也沒有就是說我現在假設他也是其中就是說因為他需求需求高了以後呢因為市場的氛圍呢就整個從本來是要下來的那現在就變成上來的話\n\n04:22.259 --> 04:22.399\n李彥秀\n\n04:39.648 --> 05:06.791\n總裁因為我的時間有限就是說房價會升的會一直往上走其實還有很多不同的因素我也曾經聽過不動產公會說你不斷地升我的利息還加上現在的五缺缺工缺人什麼都缺他羊毛出在楊家成本就是這麼高所以他必須是這麼高所以其實這也是業界不同的聲音在所以部長總裁我要請問就是說現在打房抑制房價\n\n05:08.012 --> 05:08.392\n我跟委員報告\n\n05:28.802 --> 05:53.788\n關心房價之後會不會造成泡沫影響到我們的經濟穩定這個才是我們專案銀行的最主要關心房價的手段過去你沒有做出很多手段那我想請問升息會不會是你的工具手段之一\n\n05:54.922 --> 06:04.430\n我跟委員報告,事實上我們一直認為我們認為升息是我們針對的是我們的通膨但是呢,我們如果說對入了通膨以後那這個升息對房價對這個房地產市場他也有impact\n\n06:16.300 --> 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