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00:02:03,240\n那在做分類的一個重新調整．對,稀集邊坡做完了以後呢．它自然而然就會．分級會有一些調整．而且原則上是調整．就是應該是增加提高．這個很重要．因為這一次我們發現基隆灘方的路段．也是被評估一個穩定的一個路段．而且並沒有設置所謂一個監測的一個系統．但是我們有裝設一個防護防．那針對這個裝設監測系統跟．\n\n7\n00:02:06,221 --> 00:02:28,029\n防護網的這個作為我們是怎麼樣做來做評估?可以請教說明一下嗎?原則上這個有關這個岩栓或掛網噴漿這種這種大概是邊坡上人力可及而且是相關的這個可以做處理的他會是這種方式來做邊坡的一個保護跟防護\n\n8\n00:02:28,729 --> 00:02:55,194\n那如果說是人力無法集的或是機械無法處理的他才會有剛才特別提到落實告警的這樣的一個系統是另外本期這邊還是要反映一件事情就是我們最近有霧台我們屏東霧台鄉的鄉親反映說他們有看到我們台二四線32K就是我們所謂的谷川大橋那個附近一個監測系統一次被落實砸到那目前\n\n9\n00:02:56,294 --> 00:02:56,594\n徐富癸徐富癸\n\n10\n00:03:13,062 --> 00:03:34,839\n預警系統基本上就因為如果說落實就是說它的來源還有就是說邊坡能夠整治的部分其實我們就是先把這個落實的來源跟邊坡整治把它做好那如果說它的來源太高或者是有一些落實其實是沒辦法判斷它的一個來源的話我們就會做落實告警系統像這一次的這個4月3號地震之後我們的落實告警系統還會再增加兩座那\n\n11\n00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:52,599\n委員所提到的這一處的話我們會去再做一個評估那如果說是他的落實的來源是我們沒辦法去預期的如果來源就是說哪些的地方可以去處理的話我們一定是優先去把他的這個落實來源處理掉不行我們就會加做這個那個落實告警系統\n\n12\n00:03:53,760 --> 00:04:13,291\n本席知道我們局長對於屏東的地形相當的瞭解那尤其是我們針對整個邊坡的一個整治我們也花了很多的心力但是這一點我們還是要提醒一下這個我們的那個整個監控系統的部分瞭解瞭解去看一下對對對如果原來的系統已經不work了我們來做看怎麼樣來做處理\n\n13\n00:04:14,331 --> 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