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00:02:01,863\n然後再送到最終的去化場所但是這些事情當初在臺灣還沒有那麼完整發展的時候可能二三十年前設立的時候他可能是都市的近郊周邊荒煙漫草沒有人大家也就放在那個地方就算了但隨著都市化的推進這個大樓從化區開始蓋起來之後這個就變成最麻煩的林壁設施部長今天特別要提這一點就是因為龜山本期的選區龜山這個叫做大埔垃圾轉運站這個我們用空拍機拍的\n\n6\n00:02:03,384 --> 00:02:27,506\n這個桃園的焚化爐最近在稅休所以基於這個戰事的壓力就會大幅的來增加那我大幅來增加的時候這個就是標準的以前是城市的競交現在周邊都是大樓我因為這樣的事情被人家罵死了那沒辦法遇到這樣的事我們總是要面對總是要處理所以我今天看到環境部講說垃圾戰事是一個問題的時候本席是很高興所以趕快來跟部長做一個研討\n\n7\n00:02:28,507 --> 00:02:52,348\n部長現在竟然注意到全台灣有這麼多的垃圾戰事場垃圾的戰事量也上升請問現在中央針對這樣子的一個結構問題有沒有任何的措施來做處理報告委員那個因為我們有正在5個新的焚化爐在興建預期它的容量會到700萬噸所以現在的你剛才看到那個龜山現在正在轉運等於是正在去化當中還要一點點時間\n\n8\n00:02:56,454 --> 00:03:10,287\n對我現在講你剛剛講說我們投入的資源都是在末端去化也就是說我把末端的量做大那相對來講這個垃圾處理速度會變快戰事的壓力就會降低但很多戰事其實是基於距離啊基於什麼的我發現你環保\n\n9\n00:03:11,928 --> 00:03:26,599\n這個環境部裡面有一個這個多元垃圾處理計劃他其實有一筆預算好去處理這件事桃園市政府本來想要申請一筆預算把這個做個加蓋或什麼的但是我認為不可以我為什麼認為不可以呢你在這個大樓旁邊一旦加蓋那就轉一轉就走不了了\n\n10\n00:03:27,159 --> 00:03:50,181\n那這絕對不是周邊居民要的但我希望的是如果這一筆多元的這個處理計畫除了是末端的處理之外中途的轉運你能不能做靈活的調度如何來順利的轉運讓轉運站退場其實是增加清潔隊的人手增加垃圾車的數量讓這個轉運的過程可以順利我就不用因為送不完然後影響垃圾清運而必須要有站置場\n\n11\n00:03:51,162 --> 00:04:06,832\n這環境部願不願意來做一下多年的思考﹖也就是說針對戰事﹖一百多座戰場的退場計畫與一定的預算支持跟政策的協助﹖請部長回答一下﹖我們請我們署長﹖可以這我請他來講的很重要的一個原因是包委員是這樣子那個\n\n12\n00:04:12,398 --> 00:04:22,930\n我們全國營運中的掩埋場是107座所有營運中的掩埋場都是衛生標準掩埋場他有污水處理設施不過這個轉運這件事情是\n\n13\n00:04:25,573 --> 00:04:34,841\n我們很願意跟地方政府這真的是地方政府的一個地方政府主責啦但我們希望中央可以提供預算跟政策的支持好不好我們來研討這個事情可以嗎好不好希望環境部這個會後我們來做一下強加的研討我們跟台灣市政府來開個會\n\n14\n00:04:41,006 --> 00:04:58,314\n來處理那這第一個是我們講說希望可以增加垃圾車的車輛也好清潔人員也好協助地方政府做這個事第二個我們講去化這個我跟前任的部長有講過應該有區域聯防的機制粉化爐個別縣市沒辦法處理周邊縣市合作處理那當然合作處理你可以讓地方自己談但地方自己談沒有誘因\n\n15\n00:04:58,874 --> 00:05:20,000\n一樣我希望中央設定誘因凡是各縣是不管藍的綠的只要願意做區域聯防的相關的預算補助或什麼多一點提供政策誘因讓區域聯防的機制可以常態化第三個本期也要花點時間去講就是我們發現到這個末端處理的經費很高因為你要蓋焚化爐可是前端處理的經費綠色的你看顯然落差非常大\n\n16\n00:05:20,740 --> 00:05:31,969\n這一點我希望可以做有效的調整我們大家都在講垃圾減量最有效的措施叫做專用垃圾袋我們新的部長上任之後這個要不要推是全國推還是各地方推有沒有想法\n\n17\n00:05:33,266 --> 00:06:00,482\n基本上齁這個我們大多數已經直接最後一路就市場啦但是我們跟我同仁討論之後不要硬推因為要改變生活習慣壓力很大對不對壓力很大我們會想一個更好的方式來解決兩種做法一個是你中央要全國推你的主力很高這本席理解那第二個就是鼓勵各地方先行嘛然後慢慢慢慢擴散但同樣就是同樣的邏輯你如果要鼓勵地方推中央請給地方優惠跟誘因跟預算的支持\n\n18\n00:06:01,062 --> 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這個環境部部長還有環管署署長有請請彭部長還有嚴署長部長早安今天我們等一下投影片好不好\n今天看到這個專題報告本席是覺得很高興因為環境部不只有注意到垃圾處理最終去化的問題也注意到了暫置的問題這其實是本席非常關心的一個事情根據環境部統計的資料近5年一般廢棄物的總生產量即超過千萬公噸與此同時針對一般廢棄物的暫存量的部分從21萬公噸翻了4倍來到84萬公噸\n那麼處理量減少了5.85%一般廢棄物的妥善處理率從98.85%降到93%從圖表裡面你可以看到這個黃色的部分其實是這個紅色的折線圖的部分其實是所謂的垃圾佔滯量從圖表的角度看起來它好像很少啊\n叫做圖表為福但是選區巨量什麼意思呢右邊這張圖是全台灣有超過100座的垃圾佔治場也就是基於垃圾清運的動線啊人力啊資源啊等等的一個困境我必須要把垃圾佔治在某些場域\n然後再送到最終的去化場所但是這些事情當初在臺灣還沒有那麼完整發展的時候可能二三十年前設立的時候他可能是都市的近郊周邊荒煙漫草沒有人大家也就放在那個地方就算了但隨著都市化的推進這個大樓從化區開始蓋起來之後這個就變成最麻煩的林壁設施部長今天特別要提這一點就是因為龜山本期的選區龜山這個叫做大埔垃圾轉運站這個我們用空拍機拍的\n這個桃園的焚化爐最近在稅休所以基於這個戰事的壓力就會大幅的來增加那我大幅來增加的時候這個就是標準的以前是城市的競交現在周邊都是大樓我因為這樣的事情被人家罵死了那沒辦法遇到這樣的事我們總是要面對總是要處理所以我今天看到環境部講說垃圾戰事是一個問題的時候本席是很高興所以趕快來跟部長做一個研討\n部長現在竟然注意到全台灣有這麼多的垃圾戰事場垃圾的戰事量也上升請問現在中央針對這樣子的一個結構問題有沒有任何的措施來做處理報告委員那個因為我們有正在5個新的焚化爐在興建預期它的容量會到700萬噸所以現在的你剛才看到那個龜山現在正在轉運等於是正在去化當中還要一點點時間\n對我現在講你剛剛講說我們投入的資源都是在末端去化也就是說我把末端的量做大那相對來講這個垃圾處理速度會變快戰事的壓力就會降低但很多戰事其實是基於距離啊基於什麼的我發現你環保\n這個環境部裡面有一個這個多元垃圾處理計劃他其實有一筆預算好去處理這件事桃園市政府本來想要申請一筆預算把這個做個加蓋或什麼的但是我認為不可以我為什麼認為不可以呢你在這個大樓旁邊一旦加蓋那就轉一轉就走不了了\n那這絕對不是周邊居民要的但我希望的是如果這一筆多元的這個處理計畫除了是末端的處理之外中途的轉運你能不能做靈活的調度如何來順利的轉運讓轉運站退場其實是增加清潔隊的人手增加垃圾車的數量讓這個轉運的過程可以順利我就不用因為送不完然後影響垃圾清運而必須要有站置場\n這環境部願不願意來做一下多年的思考﹖也就是說針對戰事﹖一百多座戰場的退場計畫與一定的預算支持跟政策的協助﹖請部長回答一下﹖我們請我們署長﹖可以這我請他來講的很重要的一個原因是包委員是這樣子那個\n我們全國營運中的掩埋場是107座所有營運中的掩埋場都是衛生標準掩埋場他有污水處理設施不過這個轉運這件事情是\n我們很願意跟地方政府這真的是地方政府的一個地方政府主責啦但我們希望中央可以提供預算跟政策的支持好不好我們來研討這個事情可以嗎好不好希望環境部這個會後我們來做一下強加的研討我們跟台灣市政府來開個會\n來處理那這第一個是我們講說希望可以增加垃圾車的車輛也好清潔人員也好協助地方政府做這個事第二個我們講去化這個我跟前任的部長有講過應該有區域聯防的機制粉化爐個別縣市沒辦法處理周邊縣市合作處理那當然合作處理你可以讓地方自己談但地方自己談沒有誘因\n一樣我希望中央設定誘因凡是各縣是不管藍的綠的只要願意做區域聯防的相關的預算補助或什麼多一點提供政策誘因讓區域聯防的機制可以常態化第三個本期也要花點時間去講就是我們發現到這個末端處理的經費很高因為你要蓋焚化爐可是前端處理的經費綠色的你看顯然落差非常大\n這一點我希望可以做有效的調整我們大家都在講垃圾減量最有效的措施叫做專用垃圾袋我們新的部長上任之後這個要不要推是全國推還是各地方推有沒有想法\n基本上齁這個我們大多數已經直接最後一路就市場啦但是我們跟我同仁討論之後不要硬推因為要改變生活習慣壓力很大對不對壓力很大我們會想一個更好的方式來解決兩種做法一個是你中央要全國推你的主力很高這本席理解那第二個就是鼓勵各地方先行嘛然後慢慢慢慢擴散但同樣就是同樣的邏輯你如果要鼓勵地方推中央請給地方優惠跟誘因跟預算的支持\n讓地方在推的時候門檻降低他們才會有比較大的誘因去推動然後從源頭這個其實就是你源頭可以上升的地方嘛補貼一些地方政府來鼓勵事辦這樣子的一個措施然後也收集經驗讓這個政策能夠慢慢的來落地這是本席的希望好不好今天這三個訴求都是希望中央給予地方一定的支持來解決垃圾戰事的問題希望部長可以提供好的解決方案我答應過這個主席不能浪費太多時間謝謝謝謝我們會來努力好謝謝牛煦庭委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:09.124 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