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00:04:34,583\n我跟委員報告就是說因為你是用很簡單的報告跟委員報告就是說基本上央行的一個利率他是針對是通膨沒有錯那你就說央行呢那個嚴重的你的那個你說說央行嚴重的輕忽了我們的通膨\n\n12\n00:04:35,484 --> 00:04:55,476\n但是我跟委員報告事實上我們從2008年、09年以來我們的通膨非常低我們的平均從到2019年之前2019、2018就是說COVID-19之前我們的通膨率大概是多少平均不到1%\n\n13\n00:04:58,277 --> 00:05:23,132\n這三年這三年突破警戒就是事實啊所以你就說長期事實上是沒有啊就是說從2008年你在跟我定義什麼叫做長期是不是我在跟你講現在這三年你在跟我講定義是不是什麼叫長期你的意思你說我的用詞寫長期那你不爽是這樣嗎\n\n14\n00:05:25,714 --> 00:05:29,536\n我科技在跟你談事情!你在跟我講智慾上!三年不叫做長期!什麼叫做長期?民眾的生活一年365天三年1095天那不是長期嗎?抱歉啦抱歉啦我讓委員這樣講話\n\n15\n00:05:53,968 --> 00:06:18,726\n大家冷靜的討論事情你怎麼來我怎麼去我這麼客氣的問你因為你是這一部分的專家我認為房價跟利率跟匯率能夠控制其實全賴央行的啦是是是我很好我抱歉啦我抱歉\n\n16\n00:06:19,406 --> 00:06:25,231\n昨年8月財政部新青安貸款通過的時候你們也沒有阻止阿他們也沒聽你們的話阿不是嗎新青安貸款以後我跟你講那個多嚴重新青安貸款以後我先講幾個數字給你聽新青安貸款去年阿\n\n17\n00:06:46,792 --> 00:06:50,346\n去年4月我們講同期去年4月\n\n18\n00:06:51,741 --> 00:07:15,979\n我們前五大行庫借房貸大概不到五百億今年的四月同期喔我們五大行庫借房貸將近一千億兩倍之多欸這是很嚴重的事情欸不是嗎那在這個事情上面你央行眼睜睜看著財政部\n\n19\n00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:32,209\n只是說為了大家買房更容易結果那麼一放鬆搞成這樣我現在是問你說如何收拾殘局我跟委員報告第一個就是說我們在6月13日我們理監事會我們會討論這個議題\n\n20\n00:07:35,811 --> 00:07:47,515\n所以抱歉那個委員讓你這樣的話那個不高興我是真的是抱歉但是我跟委員報告我們會在下一次的禮監事會我們會討論委員所關心的議題\n\n21\n00:07:52,176 --> 00:08:09,260\n你們認為說經濟成長量沿台北本質幅度有限升息打房不利出口這些都有你們的看法但是我希望說你們再來再來再討論是不是方向改變限制房貸層數是不是說不要超過總層數不要超過8乘5那應該要譬如說升息來打房這是應該做的嘛\n\n22\n00:08:20,083 --> 00:08:20,483\n王世堅王世堅王世堅\n\n23\n00:08:44,023 --> 00:08:45,064\n我經常這種生氣三秒鐘的\n\n24\n00:09:00,251 --> 00:09:03,014\n委員你分析得沒有錯不過我會跟委員報告就是說我們在6月13日的時候我們理監事會會就這個房地產的議題我們會討論請委員接受因為時間有限了\n\n25\n00:09:22,970 --> 00:09:40,217\n我最後我會把我沒有放的這個表格我們有前十大嚴重性的貸款的這個負債比例齁這個前十大這個名字我會交給你啦包括他金額之間你看一下在已經嚴重到這個程度的時候從408新潤這樣一路亞新建設這一些這個負債比都過高那是因為什麼\n\n26\n00:09:51,261 --> 00:10:13,911\n只因為利率低所以他們就大量的跟銀行拿錢出來那麼去大量的去囤房去買土地那這反而會不利於我們社會上無可足我們青年朋友們他們要買房未來他們碰到該他們要買的時候房價都會居高不下\n\n27\n00:10:14,571 --> 00:10:14,691\n王世堅\n\n28\n00:10:32,583 --> 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04:55.476\n但是我跟委員報告事實上我們從2008年、09年以來我們的通膨非常低我們的平均從到2019年之前2019、2018就是說COVID-19之前我們的通膨率大概是多少平均不到1%\n\n04:58.277 --> 05:23.132\n這三年這三年突破警戒就是事實啊所以你就說長期事實上是沒有啊就是說從2008年你在跟我定義什麼叫做長期是不是我在跟你講現在這三年你在跟我講定義是不是什麼叫長期你的意思你說我的用詞寫長期那你不爽是這樣嗎\n\n05:25.714 --> 05:29.536\n我科技在跟你談事情!你在跟我講智慾上!三年不叫做長期!什麼叫做長期?民眾的生活一年365天三年1095天那不是長期嗎?抱歉啦抱歉啦我讓委員這樣講話\n\n05:53.968 --> 06:18.726\n大家冷靜的討論事情你怎麼來我怎麼去我這麼客氣的問你因為你是這一部分的專家我認為房價跟利率跟匯率能夠控制其實全賴央行的啦是是是我很好我抱歉啦我抱歉\n\n06:19.406 --> 06:25.231\n昨年8月財政部新青安貸款通過的時候你們也沒有阻止阿他們也沒聽你們的話阿不是嗎新青安貸款以後我跟你講那個多嚴重新青安貸款以後我先講幾個數字給你聽新青安貸款去年阿\n\n06:46.792 --> 06:50.346\n去年4月我們講同期去年4月\n\n06:51.741 --> 07:15.979\n我們前五大行庫借房貸大概不到五百億今年的四月同期喔我們五大行庫借房貸將近一千億兩倍之多欸這是很嚴重的事情欸不是嗎那在這個事情上面你央行眼睜睜看著財政部\n\n07:17.120 --> 07:32.209\n只是說為了大家買房更容易結果那麼一放鬆搞成這樣我現在是問你說如何收拾殘局我跟委員報告第一個就是說我們在6月13日我們理監事會我們會討論這個議題\n\n07:35.811 --> 07:47.515\n所以抱歉那個委員讓你這樣的話那個不高興我是真的是抱歉但是我跟委員報告我們會在下一次的禮監事會我們會討論委員所關心的議題\n\n07:52.176 --> 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