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00:03:25,993\n過去以來1.5或者是1是我們的常態但是從從我們的2022年2023年其實我們發現有可能是疫情的關係有可能是原物料上漲的原因好像都維持了一個2點多以上的這樣子的幅度那未來會不會2點多是\n\n10\n00:03:30,096 --> 00:03:44,249\n所以委員講的這個也是重點所以我們中央銀行我們也是一直在關心我們的通膨是不是結果上會有一些的改變這個就是委員現在講的一個重點\n\n11\n00:03:45,350 --> 00:04:00,190\n事實上我跟委員報告我們上一次會調升利息主要的也是我們也是認為就是說我們連續4年都差不多在2%那這個跟我們以前的那個結果稍微有一點不大一樣\n\n12\n00:04:00,831 --> 00:04:18,743\n我覺得剛剛委員就是說我們以前大概平均這個剛剛我也是在講跟那個王委員在講就是說事實上我們從2008年以後到2019年之前我們的通膨都平均不到1%那這個2%第一個2%大概當然就是說相較之下我們跟以前來比較的話我們的民眾會比較不習慣\n\n13\n00:04:26,969 --> 00:04:27,830\n但是其實從民間的角度來看\n\n14\n00:04:49,909 --> 00:05:00,743\n他們認為他們受到這些通膨的影響更大。所以,是不是我們的CPI有失真的情況?所以我就跟委員報告,事實上我們的CPI是368項的。\n\n15\n00:05:09,193 --> 00:05:30,946\n加權平均的總和但是呢我們民眾比較會關注的就是說第一個17項的民生用品對不對還有就是說每個月至少購買一次的商品但是呢很不幸的就是說在這一段期間呢因為這個都是跟原物料跟外食跟什麼房租這些有關係這個呢\n\n16\n00:05:33,067 --> 00:06:00,019\n就是說它的一個平均的高度都比你的CPI來得高所以呢這個就會產生委員現在所講的說民眾所感受的跟你的CPI不一樣不過呢我也必須要承認就是說事實上在每個月每個月就是說買至少購買一次的這個CPI的那個物價呢事實上呢它是比CPI都高這個第一點\n\n17\n00:06:00,859 --> 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CPI的那個我們這10年以來其實CPI每年的年增率都是維持在一左右的這樣子的情況\n180573\t205993\t過去以來1.5或者是1是我們的常態但是從從我們的2022年2023年其實我們發現有可能是疫情的關係有可能是原物料上漲的原因好像都維持了一個2點多以上的這樣子的幅度那未來會不會2點多是\n210096\t224249\t所以委員講的這個也是重點所以我們中央銀行我們也是一直在關心我們的通膨是不是結果上會有一些的改變這個就是委員現在講的一個重點\n225350\t240190\t事實上我跟委員報告我們上一次會調升利息主要的也是我們也是認為就是說我們連續4年都差不多在2%那這個跟我們以前的那個結果稍微有一點不大一樣\n240831\t258743\t我覺得剛剛委員就是說我們以前大概平均這個剛剛我也是在講跟那個王委員在講就是說事實上我們從2008年以後到2019年之前我們的通膨都平均不到1%那這個2%第一個2%大概當然就是說相較之下我們跟以前來比較的話我們的民眾會比較不習慣\n266969\t267830\t但是其實從民間的角度來看\n289909\t300743\t他們認為他們受到這些通膨的影響更大。所以,是不是我們的CPI有失真的情況?所以我就跟委員報告,事實上我們的CPI是368項的。\n309193\t330946\t加權平均的總和但是呢我們民眾比較會關注的就是說第一個17項的民生用品對不對還有就是說每個月至少購買一次的商品但是呢很不幸的就是說在這一段期間呢因為這個都是跟原物料跟外食跟什麼房租這些有關係這個呢\n333067\t360019\t就是說它的一個平均的高度都比你的CPI來得高所以呢這個就會產生委員現在所講的說民眾所感受的跟你的CPI不一樣不過呢我也必須要承認就是說事實上在每個月每個月就是說買至少購買一次的這個CPI的那個物價呢事實上呢它是比CPI都高這個第一點\n360859\t380365\t那你的那個17項的那個也是一樣的不過我跟委員報告基本上從去年開始我們的這些至少購買一次的還有17項的這些的物價都是慢慢慢慢的在下降\n381445\t403084\t不只是說這兩項事實上CPI也是慢慢的在下降所以也就是說我們中央銀行的一個利率政策主要我們是看的是CPI那我們也不能說是房租針對房租說上漲我們的貨幣政策都要做某些的調整不是中央銀行的貨幣政策是看整個的\n404245\t423163\t但是呢人民的感受呢是這些17項啊還有我那個什麼還有就是說那個至少購買一個不過我還是要強調的這些的物價呢是都是慢慢在下來都是慢慢在下來還有一個問題我最後還請教一個問題就是我們GDP第一季那個\n423983\t447022\t我們第一季的數字是非常亮眼的那是因為我們去年同期的基期非常低嘛對這樣的情況下但是為什麼民眾對於我們GDP的這樣子大幅度的上升有可能我們第一季是6.56嘛那全年度可能又調升了嘛可能快要接近4左右了對不對\n448202\t474368\t為什麼民眾沒有感受呢?我跟委員報告事實上我們的GDP是我們總體的經濟的表現那我們的個人特別是做弱勢者或是說比較那個就是說因為他的薪資因為他的薪資成長的幅度不過高\n475268\t475288\t好 謝謝\n503823\t504508\t下一集請羅廷偉羅廷偉\n","txt":"謝謝主席我想要請楊總裁楊總裁總裁早安今天討論的是日圓貶值那其實不只日圓還有韓圓在這樣子競貶的情況下對於台灣的出口那當然很多的就是大家會認為在相似程度高的情況下那對於台灣的出口是不是就是\n基本上就是說我們在我們的報告裡面提到就是說\n所以你剛剛就講到就是說\n日本的出口還有南韓的出口因為南韓他也是貶值日本也是貶值我跟委員報告那你也提到就是說臺幣貶值的幅度沒有比他高但是我跟委員報告事實上我們的出口都比他們好\n所以那如果我們還貶值大一點的時候會不會更好?貶值大一點,第一個就是說貶值大一點好不好我們現在就是說貶值,我們中央銀行的職責在我們中央銀行法裡面就講到我們中央銀行的一個職責維持匯率的相對穩定\n我知道我們很難就說我們來讓他出別然後來提高競爭力好像這個也不是我們的職責我們讓我們的新台幣升值然後來能夠提升我們的讓我們的產業能夠產業升級這個也不是我們的職責\n事實上這兩個是不是能夠達到這樣的一個結果呢?說實在的我們都還是懷疑所以就中央銀行來講的話我們遵守我們中央銀行法讓新台幣的匯率能夠穩定\n我想要看一下你能不能放下一張投影片就是我們看一下我們的CPI就是CPI其實從過去以來我們看到這10年以來CPI CPI的那個我們這10年以來其實CPI每年的年增率都是維持在一左右的這樣子的情況\n過去以來1.5或者是1是我們的常態但是從從我們的2022年2023年其實我們發現有可能是疫情的關係有可能是原物料上漲的原因好像都維持了一個2點多以上的這樣子的幅度那未來會不會2點多是\n所以委員講的這個也是重點所以我們中央銀行我們也是一直在關心我們的通膨是不是結果上會有一些的改變這個就是委員現在講的一個重點\n事實上我跟委員報告我們上一次會調升利息主要的也是我們也是認為就是說我們連續4年都差不多在2%那這個跟我們以前的那個結果稍微有一點不大一樣\n我覺得剛剛委員就是說我們以前大概平均這個剛剛我也是在講跟那個王委員在講就是說事實上我們從2008年以後到2019年之前我們的通膨都平均不到1%那這個2%第一個2%大概當然就是說相較之下我們跟以前來比較的話我們的民眾會比較不習慣\n但是其實從民間的角度來看\n他們認為他們受到這些通膨的影響更大。所以,是不是我們的CPI有失真的情況?所以我就跟委員報告,事實上我們的CPI是368項的。\n加權平均的總和但是呢我們民眾比較會關注的就是說第一個17項的民生用品對不對還有就是說每個月至少購買一次的商品但是呢很不幸的就是說在這一段期間呢因為這個都是跟原物料跟外食跟什麼房租這些有關係這個呢\n就是說它的一個平均的高度都比你的CPI來得高所以呢這個就會產生委員現在所講的說民眾所感受的跟你的CPI不一樣不過呢我也必須要承認就是說事實上在每個月每個月就是說買至少購買一次的這個CPI的那個物價呢事實上呢它是比CPI都高這個第一點\n那你的那個17項的那個也是一樣的不過我跟委員報告基本上從去年開始我們的這些至少購買一次的還有17項的這些的物價都是慢慢慢慢的在下降\n不只是說這兩項事實上CPI也是慢慢的在下降所以也就是說我們中央銀行的一個利率政策主要我們是看的是CPI那我們也不能說是房租針對房租說上漲我們的貨幣政策都要做某些的調整不是中央銀行的貨幣政策是看整個的\n但是呢人民的感受呢是這些17項啊還有我那個什麼還有就是說那個至少購買一個不過我還是要強調的這些的物價呢是都是慢慢在下來都是慢慢在下來還有一個問題我最後還請教一個問題就是我們GDP第一季那個\n我們第一季的數字是非常亮眼的那是因為我們去年同期的基期非常低嘛對這樣的情況下但是為什麼民眾對於我們GDP的這樣子大幅度的上升有可能我們第一季是6.56嘛那全年度可能又調升了嘛可能快要接近4左右了對不對\n為什麼民眾沒有感受呢?我跟委員報告事實上我們的GDP是我們總體的經濟的表現那我們的個人特別是做弱勢者或是說比較那個就是說因為他的薪資因為他的薪資成長的幅度不過高\n好 謝謝\n下一集請羅廷偉羅廷偉\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.114 --> 00:06.936\n謝謝主席我想要請楊總裁楊總裁總裁早安今天討論的是日圓貶值那其實不只日圓還有韓圓在這樣子競貶的情況下對於台灣的出口那當然很多的就是大家會認為在相似程度高的情況下那對於台灣的出口是不是就是\n\n00:33.126 --> 00:34.907\n基本上就是說我們在我們的報告裡面提到就是說\n\n00:49.864 --> 00:51.105\n所以你剛剛就講到就是說\n\n01:17.146 --> 01:33.922\n日本的出口還有南韓的出口因為南韓他也是貶值日本也是貶值我跟委員報告那你也提到就是說臺幣貶值的幅度沒有比他高但是我跟委員報告事實上我們的出口都比他們好\n\n01:35.296 --> 01:57.638\n所以那如果我們還貶值大一點的時候會不會更好?貶值大一點,第一個就是說貶值大一點好不好我們現在就是說貶值,我們中央銀行的職責在我們中央銀行法裡面就講到我們中央銀行的一個職責維持匯率的相對穩定\n\n01:58.439 --> 02:01.361\n我知道我們很難就說我們來讓他出別然後來提高競爭力好像這個也不是我們的職責我們讓我們的新台幣升值然後來能夠提升我們的讓我們的產業能夠產業升級這個也不是我們的職責\n\n02:21.494 --> 02:34.576\n事實上這兩個是不是能夠達到這樣的一個結果呢?說實在的我們都還是懷疑所以就中央銀行來講的話我們遵守我們中央銀行法讓新台幣的匯率能夠穩定\n\n02:37.150 --> 02:58.129\n我想要看一下你能不能放下一張投影片就是我們看一下我們的CPI就是CPI其實從過去以來我們看到這10年以來CPICPI的那個我們這10年以來其實CPI每年的年增率都是維持在一左右的這樣子的情況\n\n03:00.573 --> 03:25.993\n過去以來1.5或者是1是我們的常態但是從從我們的2022年2023年其實我們發現有可能是疫情的關係有可能是原物料上漲的原因好像都維持了一個2點多以上的這樣子的幅度那未來會不會2點多是\n\n03:30.096 --> 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