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00:00:58,566\n我們在這個地方,因為它是有邊坡分級的,所以在邊坡分級上,我們在……它有沒有監控儀器?在這裡頭是沒有的。所以它是屬於C級,所以沒有邊坡。所以接下去,今天它崩了,接下去它會用什麼樣的方式來列管?\n\n4\n00:01:01,395 --> 00:01:30,000\n我簡單一下我們會立即把它提升它的邊坡等級然後做相關的一個巡檢也好或之後就會做相關的監控監控我們會依照我們去檢討的結果必要的時候我們會來加監控的一個設備市長我知道公路局要管全國各地的這個邊坡啦其實很大所以如果沒有監控儀器那你們平常是怎麼監控的像這個地方有沒有被預警\n\n5\n00:01:31,267 --> 00:01:50,386\n各位報告邊坡的部分的話基本上就是說我們列管的邊坡就是每一週都會巡查一次那再就是說像比如說巡查就是人力去巡查對人力巡查人力巡查有跟地方政府合作嗎就是我因為這個是屬於我們自己管轄的對你們要自己看對對對地方政府有通報機制給你們的話你們也會去看\n\n6\n00:01:52,008 --> 00:02:09,517\n對對對對所以還是要你的人力有限民力無窮所以通報機制很重要只要發生狀況可能都要先講而且民眾可能第一時間都會先發現我想這個案子就給我們一個警惕啦就是下大雨、地震將來的極端氣候這種狀況可能會越來越多\n\n7\n00:02:10,197 --> 00:02:36,508\n我們希望你的監控不單單只是之前發生事情那長期的人力監控其實我們要用更科學的方法第三個可能打通通報的機制如果民眾可以直接反映到公路局公路局可以馬上有一些預警他有一些碎石掉下來的時候就應該做一些算是警示啦或者是你們自己先做一些相關的處理因為這是崩的真的很快速而且滿觸目驚心\n\n8\n00:02:39,589 --> 00:02:57,234\n對,所以我覺得監控是一個很以現在的台灣科技不是問題只是你要不要怎麼樣用方式去使用它第二個問題我覺得比較有趣喔這個在發生在基隆最近市長不知道有沒有看到網路上有一位網紅Tony先生他上傳了一支影片\n\n9\n00:02:58,214 --> 00:03:23,270\n他說他在基隆的三雕嶺車站他去旅遊結果呢三雕嶺車站沒有任何的行人通道所以他就拍照嘛所以他就走到了一條維修工人行走的唯一的通道那這條通道因為禁止一般行人通行這個鐵道橋上因為這樣所以他違反鐵路法被罰款一萬塊\n\n10\n00:03:24,551 --> 00:03:51,712\n那當地的其實這個地方有很多的居民居民平常都是要坐到這個火車站一個車站沒有行人通道讓民眾行走然後讓所有走的人如果被檢舉就會被罰一萬塊然後我們的意思是說我們台鐵是希望所有的人到這個車站之後是要插個翅膀飛過去嗎?次長你知道你有看到這個新聞嗎?\n\n11\n00:03:52,592 --> 00:04:16,528\n我有看到而且我們非常重視所以而且這個案子就很好笑你知道鐵道局怎麼回我這鐵道警察送的法單所以他只能開法那鐵道警察說有人檢舉我就要開法但是還是要請台鐵提出因應措施所以一個推一個鐵道局推給鐵道警察鐵道警察推給台鐵請問中華民國政府要推給誰\n\n12\n00:04:18,616 --> 00:04:37,998\n是,我想委員的諮詢,我們...如果不能給人家一個安全合法的通道,那你把這個車站給廢了吧?你看那些居民在這邊每天在違法,你明知道他違法,沒有檢舉就沒事,有人檢舉就有事,重點是有沒有辦法做一條讓人家安全回家的路啊?\n\n13\n00:04:38,723 --> 00:04:42,707\n所以我們這個問題我們有看到所以我們大概已經徹徹徹徹徹徹徹徹徹徹\n\n14\n00:04:59,682 --> 00:05:25,918\n然後還要我們看到網紅的影片才來處理市長如果台灣還有這種關閉民反明明知道然後讓民眾不斷的在違法視而不見的政府單位我覺得你要好好的整頓一下好這我們來檢討明知道而且都知道鐵道局也知道鐵路警察也知道舊台鐵不知道然後要網紅出來才知道這很離譜啊\n\n15\n00:05:27,339 --> 00:05:43,240\n如果我們的政府是讓人民每天要做違法的事這個不是一個有違的政府該做的事而且這件事情這麼小還要讓它上網路上才會被看見委員的一個指教我們有看到所以我們會立即來做處理\n\n16\n00:05:45,063 --> 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