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00:01:06,079\n從這個年30到39歲以下我們的臺語能力迅速的下降剛剛好這一群人的小孩差不多也就是未滿11歲以下所以我認為親子是從政臺語的重要族群\n\n5\n00:01:26,833 --> 00:01:45,471\n再跳回來一下國家語言發展中心裡面我發現就是說在條例簡報裡條文沒有變但是簡報裡的說明有一些細微的文字差異譬如說在2020年我們講的是可與相關單位共同投入國家語言語言輸入法語言辨識、語言理解之研發\n\n6\n00:01:46,952 --> 00:02:06,960\n但是在我們2023年呢我們就變成了強...剛剛那段紅色線的字呢它就變成了強化語料的後續加值應用所以我想要確認喔是說這一個是說我們是希望定義更擴大是希望讓AI可以進來一起來支持我們的本土語言嗎這個我想要確認一下\n\n7\n00:02:10,916 --> 00:02:26,142\n是!是!好喔!那這部分的話,因為其實我之前在質詢國科會的時候也希望說,因為現在有做臺語的這個ChatGPT嘛,臺語GPT機器人。那我希望之後可以,文化部也可以積極地來產出一些相關,整理一些相關的政府資料來協助我們做更多的臺語的應用,來協助臺語的教學。\n\n8\n00:02:30,368 --> 00:02:56,806\n再來就是說還是回到我們剛剛講親子那孩子從很多的論文來看這個ReniceKennedy她在1990年的時候她做了一個研究她的結果是說讓幼兒浸潤在一個充滿語言和文字的環境之中他們就會自發的和成人及其他幼兒用各種不同的方式互動溝通這些方式包含聽、說、讀、寫所以代表了環境的重要性\n\n9\n00:02:57,526 --> 00:03:21,774\n在2004年黃美晶研究了一個他給18個孩子新聞報導然後他就問孩子說我跟你用文字呈現、用影片呈現、用圖卡呈現你們哪一個反饋回來的訊息是最正確的其中他們發現了影片的形式效果是最好的所以這告訴我們什麼影音跟環境是影響孩童語言發展的一個重要要素\n\n10\n00:03:23,823 --> 00:03:50,210\n可是呢我也看到我們小孩語言學習環境接觸點有家庭有教育有影視有社區對不對從剛剛這些結論來說那我們現在母語有家庭政策教育有本土語言政策但是我們雖然影視有公式台語還有台語的一些兒少節目但是我們好像還有很多事情可以做畢竟接觸點不能只有單項嘛還應該有更多的點那再來我們社區目前這塊也還是有欠缺的\n\n11\n00:03:51,357 --> 00:04:16,722\n所以我想請提供部長一個方向來思考就是說我們現在在寫這些臺語的一些政策的時候社區母語的一些計畫你可以看到我紅色底線的地方我們都還是用家庭而已家庭為概念也就是我們剛剛講的我們可能把母語再擴張出去母語家庭再擴張出去到社區但是我在想我們有沒有可能參考新住民家庭服務中心的模式\n\n12\n00:04:17,382 --> 00:04:40,435\n因為他其實新住民也是散落在全臺灣各個縣市嘛22個縣市裡面他們總共設置了39個新住民家庭服務中心以新北為例在去年他們這個語文樂學計畫有11個學校參與那產出了課程8個案子應對7個案子親子共學2個案子然後他們還有做第二件事情就是26所策略聯盟的學校產出了56門\n\n13\n00:04:41,696 --> 00:05:06,471\n規劃了56門課程總共有4000人次參與所以在他創造了一個基地的概念所以我在想說我們是不是可以跟這個內政部或是我們可以來做一個研究報告來研究我們是不是也可以來做一個台語的社區服務中心或是一個台語的基地社區基地讓這個環境一直持續的被創造出來那才能夠幫助我們台語的學習不知道部長的看法是什麼我可以研究看看我也蠻同意的\n\n14\n00:05:13,657 --> 00:05:16,239\n請問這個研究計畫我們是可以今年來執行嗎?一個月應該是規劃,然後執行的話\n\n15\n00:05:27,125 --> 00:05:50,651\n我們想說如果一個月內我們提出我們規劃的想法那如果大家同意的話那我們看下半年度或者是明年度開始執行部長跟次長我想我這邊我還是想強調一點就是說如果我們研究這個成效是好的我自己覺得我們是可以來仿照當然如果我們研究成效不好我們就可以再來想我們應該要怎麼來做這件事情因為環境回到剛剛研究是很重要一件事情再來就是說\n\n16\n00:05:53,840 --> 00:06:20,152\n我也看到就是說我們其實文化部編列了非常多上次的質詢裡面也有講到我們編了很多的預算光影視發展就有九億七千七百萬表演藝術也有一億七千五百萬這些其實都是回到剛剛講的影視娛樂沒有錯這是一個很正確的方向不過我想要知道就是說我們到底有我們但是我再仔細來看我發現我們花在孩子的身上的部分的費用好像並沒有那麼的高\n\n17\n00:06:22,230 --> 00:06:43,769\n例如說我們在台語繪本兒歌的經費大概是1370萬那我覺得這部分我們是不是也可以再來好好的討論一下是我們現在還可以怎麼樣做把我們現有的投資再把它變成兒童的版本還是怎麼樣讓兒童因為還是回到剛剛講的影視是它很重要的一個來源這個部分\n\n18\n00:06:45,906 --> 00:07:12,753\n最近這幾年有一個很有名的動畫公司叫做木棉花那其實他最近也有出一個卡通他很久以前有出一個卡通叫做中華一般小當家但是他最近重新上了一個台語的配音台語的配音那這個每天晚上在9點在網路直播所以大人小孩都很有吸引力所以我在想如果我們剛剛那些影視節目有一些不錯的我們是不是可以加上台語的配音好了\n\n19\n00:07:14,894 --> 00:07:27,453\n再回到我們剛剛講的就是說因為一百一千三百七十萬的這一些經費裡面啊我想要了解的是說我們是持續的有在增加嗎跟過去比起來我們是持續的在增加兒童的投資嗎這可以到之後會會給我一個詳細先有數字嗎\n\n20\n00:07:32,541 --> 00:07:53,301\n跟委員報告因為我們這個基本上是補助案所以如果他進來補助有台語兒歌或是繪本的我們其實都盡量會支持可是因為先前沒有這樣的推動所以申請的量本來就不多那我們希望透過我們這樣持續的比較大力的支持後續第二季的時候有更多人進來申請的話我們都會盡量的給予支持\n\n21\n00:07:56,024 --> 00:08:11,030\n好,那這個部分的話就要再麻煩文化部繼續加強那我在想我們現有的部分可不可以再做一些更深入像這個今年我們出了第一張臺語兒歌專輯而且發辦20場的幼兒巡迴而且還上了Spotify這些我覺得都非常棒\n\n22\n00:08:11,730 --> 00:08:40,330\n但是我們還是要回到兒童接觸影音的環境還有哪一些像是我們還有214處的親子館我們還有6699處的幼兒園剛剛只有做20場是不是有點太少了尤其我們的公幼就有2000多家了然後再來最後一個電子遊樂設施散佈在全台各大賣場的電子遊樂設施現在很多都可能播一些中國的或是英文歌我們有沒有可能播臺語的兒歌呢讓我們的兒歌\n\n23\n00:08:41,851 --> 00:08:42,232\n請問部長的意見是什麼?\n\n24\n00:09:01,621 --> 00:09:28,987\n之前是不是也需要跟經濟部一起來合作那就是麻煩跟經濟部好好地來溝通因為其實像我之前過去在做特色公園的時候我們也有一些遊戲設施它是會播音樂的我們就會讓它播什麼TOO啊所以這個就再麻煩部長然後最後一個問題想要再還是回到一個叫做我們現有的場館上面還有沒有可以更精進的部分但是我們現在有這麼多這個就是文化部所管的這個博物館\n\n25\n00:09:31,288 --> 00:09:45,416\n我發現我們常設展台在很多大型的博物館都有像是台灣博物館、歷史博物館、美術館都有可是我們在史前文化博物館在這一塊常設展的台語翻譯卻是缺乏的我想了解一下原因可不可以說明一下\n\n26\n00:09:48,601 --> 00:09:49,502\n國立的台灣工藝研究發展中心也是一樣的狀況嗎?\n\n27\n00:10:13,943 --> 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Kennedy她在1990年的時候她做了一個研究她的結果是說讓幼兒浸潤在一個充滿語言和文字的環境之中他們就會自發的和成人及其他幼兒用各種不同的方式互動溝通這些方式包含聽、說、讀、寫所以代表了環境的重要性\n177526\t201774\t在2004年黃美晶研究了一個他給18個孩子新聞報導然後他就問孩子說我跟你用文字呈現、用影片呈現、用圖卡呈現你們哪一個反饋回來的訊息是最正確的其中他們發現了影片的形式效果是最好的所以這告訴我們什麼影音跟環境是影響孩童語言發展的一個重要要素\n203823\t230210\t可是呢我也看到我們小孩語言學習環境接觸點有家庭有教育有影視有社區對不對從剛剛這些結論來說那我們現在母語有家庭政策教育有本土語言政策但是我們雖然影視有公式台語還有台語的一些兒少節目但是我們好像還有很多事情可以做畢竟接觸點不能只有單項嘛還應該有更多的點那再來我們社區目前這塊也還是有欠缺的\n231357\t256722\t所以我想請提供部長一個方向來思考就是說我們現在在寫這些臺語的一些政策的時候社區母語的一些計畫你可以看到我紅色底線的地方我們都還是用家庭而已家庭為概念也就是我們剛剛講的我們可能把母語再擴張出去母語家庭再擴張出去到社區但是我在想我們有沒有可能參考新住民家庭服務中心的模式\n257382\t280435\t因為他其實新住民也是散落在全臺灣各個縣市嘛22個縣市裡面他們總共設置了39個新住民家庭服務中心以新北為例在去年他們這個語文樂學計畫有11個學校參與那產出了課程8個案子應對7個案子親子共學2個案子然後他們還有做第二件事情就是26所策略聯盟的學校產出了56門\n281696\t306471\t規劃了56門課程總共有4000人次參與所以在他創造了一個基地的概念所以我在想說我們是不是可以跟這個內政部或是我們可以來做一個研究報告來研究我們是不是也可以來做一個台語的社區服務中心或是一個台語的基地社區基地讓這個環境一直持續的被創造出來那才能夠幫助我們台語的學習不知道部長的看法是什麼我可以研究看看我也蠻同意的\n313657\t316239\t請問這個研究計畫我們是可以今年來執行嗎?一個月應該是規劃,然後執行的話\n327125\t350651\t我們想說如果一個月內我們提出我們規劃的想法那如果大家同意的話那我們看下半年度或者是明年度開始執行部長跟次長我想我這邊我還是想強調一點就是說如果我們研究這個成效是好的我自己覺得我們是可以來仿照當然如果我們研究成效不好我們就可以再來想我們應該要怎麼來做這件事情因為環境回到剛剛研究是很重要一件事情再來就是說\n353840\t380152\t我也看到就是說我們其實文化部編列了非常多上次的質詢裡面也有講到我們編了很多的預算光影視發展就有九億七千七百萬表演藝術也有一億七千五百萬這些其實都是回到剛剛講的影視娛樂沒有錯這是一個很正確的方向不過我想要知道就是說我們到底有我們但是我再仔細來看我發現我們花在孩子的身上的部分的費用好像並沒有那麼的高\n382230\t403769\t例如說我們在台語繪本兒歌的經費大概是1370萬那我覺得這部分我們是不是也可以再來好好的討論一下是我們現在還可以怎麼樣做把我們現有的投資再把它變成兒童的版本還是怎麼樣讓兒童因為還是回到剛剛講的影視是它很重要的一個來源這個部分\n405906\t432753\t最近這幾年有一個很有名的動畫公司叫做木棉花那其實他最近也有出一個卡通他很久以前有出一個卡通叫做中華一般小當家但是他最近重新上了一個台語的配音台語的配音那這個每天晚上在9點在網路直播所以大人小孩都很有吸引力所以我在想如果我們剛剛那些影視節目有一些不錯的我們是不是可以加上台語的配音好了\n434894\t447453\t再回到我們剛剛講的就是說因為一百一千三百七十萬的這一些經費裡面啊我想要了解的是說我們是持續的有在增加嗎跟過去比起來我們是持續的在增加兒童的投資嗎這可以到之後會會給我一個詳細先有數字嗎\n452541\t473301\t跟委員報告因為我們這個基本上是補助案所以如果他進來補助有台語兒歌或是繪本的我們其實都盡量會支持可是因為先前沒有這樣的推動所以申請的量本來就不多那我們希望透過我們這樣持續的比較大力的支持後續第二季的時候有更多人進來申請的話我們都會盡量的給予支持\n476024\t491030\t好,那這個部分的話就要再麻煩文化部繼續加強那我在想我們現有的部分可不可以再做一些更深入像這個今年我們出了第一張臺語兒歌專輯而且發辦20場的幼兒巡迴而且還上了Spotify這些我覺得都非常棒\n491730\t520330\t但是我們還是要回到兒童接觸影音的環境還有哪一些像是我們還有214處的親子館我們還有6699處的幼兒園剛剛只有做20場是不是有點太少了尤其我們的公幼就有2000多家了然後再來最後一個電子遊樂設施散佈在全台各大賣場的電子遊樂設施現在很多都可能播一些中國的或是英文歌我們有沒有可能播臺語的兒歌呢讓我們的兒歌\n521851\t522232\t請問部長的意見是什麼?\n541621\t568987\t之前是不是也需要跟經濟部一起來合作那就是麻煩跟經濟部好好地來溝通因為其實像我之前過去在做特色公園的時候我們也有一些遊戲設施它是會播音樂的我們就會讓它播什麼TOO啊所以這個就再麻煩部長然後最後一個問題想要再還是回到一個叫做我們現有的場館上面還有沒有可以更精進的部分但是我們現在有這麼多這個就是文化部所管的這個博物館\n571288\t585416\t我發現我們常設展台在很多大型的博物館都有像是台灣博物館、歷史博物館、美術館都有可是我們在史前文化博物館在這一塊常設展的台語翻譯卻是缺乏的我想了解一下原因可不可以說明一下\n588601\t589502\t國立的台灣工藝研究發展中心也是一樣的狀況嗎?\n613943\t621778\t最後一件事情就是國家鐵道博物館還在籌備所以我想我們就盡力的把一些該做的項目都把它完備謝謝\n","txt":"邀請文化部部長好,委員好\n部長好,就是說因為我們今天在討論就是國家語言研究發展中心這個設置的一些問題那我想要特別的來跟部長來提醒一件事情就是說其實我們在講台語就是說像客委會或原委會他們都有負責客語、原住民語但是文化部其實是台語的專責部會\n我覺得部長需要了解我們這個台語消失的速度是有多麼的快速所以我們必須要積極的來做一些事情那接著從這張表呢我想要特別跟部長說的是說我可以看我框起來這兩個框框一個是11歲以下一個是30到39歲\n從這個年30到39歲以下我們的臺語能力迅速的下降剛剛好這一群人的小孩差不多也就是未滿11歲以下所以我認為親子是從政臺語的重要族群\n⋯⋯⋯\n再跳回來一下國家語言發展中心裡面我發現就是說在條例簡報裡條文沒有變但是簡報裡的說明有一些細微的文字差異譬如說在2020年我們講的是可與相關單位共同投入國家語言語言輸入法語言辨識、語言理解之研發\n但是在我們2023年呢我們就變成了強...剛剛那段紅色線的字呢它就變成了強化語料的後續加值應用所以我想要確認喔是說這一個是說我們是希望定義更擴大是希望讓AI可以進來一起來支持我們的本土語言嗎這個我想要確認一下\n是!是!好喔!那這部分的話,因為其實我之前在質詢國科會的時候也希望說,因為現在有做臺語的這個ChatGPT嘛,臺語GPT機器人。那我希望之後可以,文化部也可以積極地來產出一些相關,整理一些相關的政府資料來協助我們做更多的臺語的應用,來協助臺語的教學。\n再來就是說還是回到我們剛剛講親子那孩子從很多的論文來看這個Renice Kennedy她在1990年的時候她做了一個研究她的結果是說讓幼兒浸潤在一個充滿語言和文字的環境之中他們就會自發的和成人及其他幼兒用各種不同的方式互動溝通這些方式包含聽、說、讀、寫所以代表了環境的重要性\n在2004年黃美晶研究了一個他給18個孩子新聞報導然後他就問孩子說我跟你用文字呈現、用影片呈現、用圖卡呈現你們哪一個反饋回來的訊息是最正確的其中他們發現了影片的形式效果是最好的所以這告訴我們什麼影音跟環境是影響孩童語言發展的一個重要要素\n可是呢我也看到我們小孩語言學習環境接觸點有家庭有教育有影視有社區對不對從剛剛這些結論來說那我們現在母語有家庭政策教育有本土語言政策但是我們雖然影視有公式台語還有台語的一些兒少節目但是我們好像還有很多事情可以做畢竟接觸點不能只有單項嘛還應該有更多的點那再來我們社區目前這塊也還是有欠缺的\n所以我想請提供部長一個方向來思考就是說我們現在在寫這些臺語的一些政策的時候社區母語的一些計畫你可以看到我紅色底線的地方我們都還是用家庭而已家庭為概念也就是我們剛剛講的我們可能把母語再擴張出去母語家庭再擴張出去到社區但是我在想我們有沒有可能參考新住民家庭服務中心的模式\n因為他其實新住民也是散落在全臺灣各個縣市嘛22個縣市裡面他們總共設置了39個新住民家庭服務中心以新北為例在去年他們這個語文樂學計畫有11個學校參與那產出了課程8個案子應對7個案子親子共學2個案子然後他們還有做第二件事情就是26所策略聯盟的學校產出了56門\n規劃了56門課程總共有4000人次參與所以在他創造了一個基地的概念所以我在想說我們是不是可以跟這個內政部或是我們可以來做一個研究報告來研究我們是不是也可以來做一個台語的社區服務中心或是一個台語的基地社區基地讓這個環境一直持續的被創造出來那才能夠幫助我們台語的學習不知道部長的看法是什麼我可以研究看看我也蠻同意的\n請問這個研究計畫我們是可以今年來執行嗎?一個月應該是規劃,然後執行的話\n我們想說如果一個月內我們提出我們規劃的想法那如果大家同意的話那我們看下半年度或者是明年度開始執行部長跟次長我想我這邊我還是想強調一點就是說如果我們研究這個成效是好的我自己覺得我們是可以來仿照當然如果我們研究成效不好我們就可以再來想我們應該要怎麼來做這件事情因為環境回到剛剛研究是很重要一件事情再來就是說\n我也看到就是說我們其實文化部編列了非常多上次的質詢裡面也有講到我們編了很多的預算光影視發展就有九億七千七百萬表演藝術也有一億七千五百萬這些其實都是回到剛剛講的影視娛樂沒有錯這是一個很正確的方向不過我想要知道就是說我們到底有我們但是我再仔細來看我發現我們花在孩子的身上的部分的費用好像並沒有那麼的高\n例如說我們在台語繪本兒歌的經費大概是1370萬那我覺得這部分我們是不是也可以再來好好的討論一下是我們現在還可以怎麼樣做把我們現有的投資再把它變成兒童的版本還是怎麼樣讓兒童因為還是回到剛剛講的影視是它很重要的一個來源這個部分\n最近這幾年有一個很有名的動畫公司叫做木棉花那其實他最近也有出一個卡通他很久以前有出一個卡通叫做中華一般小當家但是他最近重新上了一個台語的配音台語的配音那這個每天晚上在9點在網路直播所以大人小孩都很有吸引力所以我在想如果我們剛剛那些影視節目有一些不錯的我們是不是可以加上台語的配音好了\n再回到我們剛剛講的就是說因為一百一千三百七十萬的這一些經費裡面啊我想要了解的是說我們是持續的有在增加嗎跟過去比起來我們是持續的在增加兒童的投資嗎這可以到之後會會給我一個詳細先有數字嗎\n跟委員報告因為我們這個基本上是補助案所以如果他進來補助有台語兒歌或是繪本的我們其實都盡量會支持可是因為先前沒有這樣的推動所以申請的量本來就不多那我們希望透過我們這樣持續的比較大力的支持後續第二季的時候有更多人進來申請的話我們都會盡量的給予支持\n好,那這個部分的話就要再麻煩文化部繼續加強那我在想我們現有的部分可不可以再做一些更深入像這個今年我們出了第一張臺語兒歌專輯而且發辦20場的幼兒巡迴而且還上了Spotify這些我覺得都非常棒\n但是我們還是要回到兒童接觸影音的環境還有哪一些像是我們還有214處的親子館我們還有6699處的幼兒園剛剛只有做20場是不是有點太少了尤其我們的公幼就有2000多家了然後再來最後一個電子遊樂設施散佈在全台各大賣場的電子遊樂設施現在很多都可能播一些中國的或是英文歌我們有沒有可能播臺語的兒歌呢讓我們的兒歌\n請問部長的意見是什麼?\n之前是不是也需要跟經濟部一起來合作那就是麻煩跟經濟部好好地來溝通因為其實像我之前過去在做特色公園的時候我們也有一些遊戲設施它是會播音樂的我們就會讓它播什麼TOO啊所以這個就再麻煩部長然後最後一個問題想要再還是回到一個叫做我們現有的場館上面還有沒有可以更精進的部分但是我們現在有這麼多這個就是文化部所管的這個博物館\n我發現我們常設展台在很多大型的博物館都有像是台灣博物館、歷史博物館、美術館都有可是我們在史前文化博物館在這一塊常設展的台語翻譯卻是缺乏的我想了解一下原因可不可以說明一下\n國立的台灣工藝研究發展中心也是一樣的狀況嗎?\n最後一件事情就是國家鐵道博物館還在籌備所以我想我們就盡力的把一些該做的項目都把它完備謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.269 --> 00:01.672\n邀請文化部部長好,委員好\n\n00:11.455 --> 00:30.243\n部長好,就是說因為我們今天在討論就是國家語言研究發展中心這個設置的一些問題那我想要特別的來跟部長來提醒一件事情就是說其實我們在講台語就是說像客委會或原委會他們都有負責客語、原住民語但是文化部其實是台語的專責部會\n\n00:32.284 --> 00:48.499\n我覺得部長需要了解我們這個台語消失的速度是有多麼的快速所以我們必須要積極的來做一些事情那接著從這張表呢我想要特別跟部長說的是說我可以看我框起來這兩個框框一個是11歲以下一個是30到39歲\n\n00:52.052 --> 01:06.079\n從這個年30到39歲以下我們的臺語能力迅速的下降剛剛好這一群人的小孩差不多也就是未滿11歲以下所以我認為親子是從政臺語的重要族群\n\n01:26.833 --> 01:45.471\n再跳回來一下國家語言發展中心裡面我發現就是說在條例簡報裡條文沒有變但是簡報裡的說明有一些細微的文字差異譬如說在2020年我們講的是可與相關單位共同投入國家語言語言輸入法語言辨識、語言理解之研發\n\n01:46.952 --> 02:06.960\n但是在我們2023年呢我們就變成了強...剛剛那段紅色線的字呢它就變成了強化語料的後續加值應用所以我想要確認喔是說這一個是說我們是希望定義更擴大是希望讓AI可以進來一起來支持我們的本土語言嗎這個我想要確認一下\n\n02:10.916 --> 02:26.142\n是!是!好喔!那這部分的話,因為其實我之前在質詢國科會的時候也希望說,因為現在有做臺語的這個ChatGPT嘛,臺語GPT機器人。那我希望之後可以,文化部也可以積極地來產出一些相關,整理一些相關的政府資料來協助我們做更多的臺語的應用,來協助臺語的教學。\n\n02:30.368 --> 02:56.806\n再來就是說還是回到我們剛剛講親子那孩子從很多的論文來看這個ReniceKennedy她在1990年的時候她做了一個研究她的結果是說讓幼兒浸潤在一個充滿語言和文字的環境之中他們就會自發的和成人及其他幼兒用各種不同的方式互動溝通這些方式包含聽、說、讀、寫所以代表了環境的重要性\n\n02:57.526 --> 03:21.774\n在2004年黃美晶研究了一個他給18個孩子新聞報導然後他就問孩子說我跟你用文字呈現、用影片呈現、用圖卡呈現你們哪一個反饋回來的訊息是最正確的其中他們發現了影片的形式效果是最好的所以這告訴我們什麼影音跟環境是影響孩童語言發展的一個重要要素\n\n03:23.823 --> 03:50.210\n可是呢我也看到我們小孩語言學習環境接觸點有家庭有教育有影視有社區對不對從剛剛這些結論來說那我們現在母語有家庭政策教育有本土語言政策但是我們雖然影視有公式台語還有台語的一些兒少節目但是我們好像還有很多事情可以做畢竟接觸點不能只有單項嘛還應該有更多的點那再來我們社區目前這塊也還是有欠缺的\n\n03:51.357 --> 04:16.722\n所以我想請提供部長一個方向來思考就是說我們現在在寫這些臺語的一些政策的時候社區母語的一些計畫你可以看到我紅色底線的地方我們都還是用家庭而已家庭為概念也就是我們剛剛講的我們可能把母語再擴張出去母語家庭再擴張出去到社區但是我在想我們有沒有可能參考新住民家庭服務中心的模式\n\n04:17.382 --> 04:40.435\n因為他其實新住民也是散落在全臺灣各個縣市嘛22個縣市裡面他們總共設置了39個新住民家庭服務中心以新北為例在去年他們這個語文樂學計畫有11個學校參與那產出了課程8個案子應對7個案子親子共學2個案子然後他們還有做第二件事情就是26所策略聯盟的學校產出了56門\n\n04:41.696 --> 05:06.471\n規劃了56門課程總共有4000人次參與所以在他創造了一個基地的概念所以我在想說我們是不是可以跟這個內政部或是我們可以來做一個研究報告來研究我們是不是也可以來做一個台語的社區服務中心或是一個台語的基地社區基地讓這個環境一直持續的被創造出來那才能夠幫助我們台語的學習不知道部長的看法是什麼我可以研究看看我也蠻同意的\n\n05:13.657 --> 05:16.239\n請問這個研究計畫我們是可以今年來執行嗎?一個月應該是規劃,然後執行的話\n\n05:27.125 --> 05:50.651\n我們想說如果一個月內我們提出我們規劃的想法那如果大家同意的話那我們看下半年度或者是明年度開始執行部長跟次長我想我這邊我還是想強調一點就是說如果我們研究這個成效是好的我自己覺得我們是可以來仿照當然如果我們研究成效不好我們就可以再來想我們應該要怎麼來做這件事情因為環境回到剛剛研究是很重要一件事情再來就是說\n\n05:53.840 --> 06:20.152\n我也看到就是說我們其實文化部編列了非常多上次的質詢裡面也有講到我們編了很多的預算光影視發展就有九億七千七百萬表演藝術也有一億七千五百萬這些其實都是回到剛剛講的影視娛樂沒有錯這是一個很正確的方向不過我想要知道就是說我們到底有我們但是我再仔細來看我發現我們花在孩子的身上的部分的費用好像並沒有那麼的高\n\n06:22.230 --> 06:43.769\n例如說我們在台語繪本兒歌的經費大概是1370萬那我覺得這部分我們是不是也可以再來好好的討論一下是我們現在還可以怎麼樣做把我們現有的投資再把它變成兒童的版本還是怎麼樣讓兒童因為還是回到剛剛講的影視是它很重要的一個來源這個部分\n\n06:45.906 --> 07:12.753\n最近這幾年有一個很有名的動畫公司叫做木棉花那其實他最近也有出一個卡通他很久以前有出一個卡通叫做中華一般小當家但是他最近重新上了一個台語的配音台語的配音那這個每天晚上在9點在網路直播所以大人小孩都很有吸引力所以我在想如果我們剛剛那些影視節目有一些不錯的我們是不是可以加上台語的配音好了\n\n07:14.894 --> 07:27.453\n再回到我們剛剛講的就是說因為一百一千三百七十萬的這一些經費裡面啊我想要了解的是說我們是持續的有在增加嗎跟過去比起來我們是持續的在增加兒童的投資嗎這可以到之後會會給我一個詳細先有數字嗎\n\n07:32.541 --> 07:53.301\n跟委員報告因為我們這個基本上是補助案所以如果他進來補助有台語兒歌或是繪本的我們其實都盡量會支持可是因為先前沒有這樣的推動所以申請的量本來就不多那我們希望透過我們這樣持續的比較大力的支持後續第二季的時候有更多人進來申請的話我們都會盡量的給予支持\n\n07:56.024 --> 08:11.030\n好,那這個部分的話就要再麻煩文化部繼續加強那我在想我們現有的部分可不可以再做一些更深入像這個今年我們出了第一張臺語兒歌專輯而且發辦20場的幼兒巡迴而且還上了Spotify這些我覺得都非常棒\n\n08:11.730 --> 08:40.330\n但是我們還是要回到兒童接觸影音的環境還有哪一些像是我們還有214處的親子館我們還有6699處的幼兒園剛剛只有做20場是不是有點太少了尤其我們的公幼就有2000多家了然後再來最後一個電子遊樂設施散佈在全台各大賣場的電子遊樂設施現在很多都可能播一些中國的或是英文歌我們有沒有可能播臺語的兒歌呢讓我們的兒歌\n\n08:41.851 --> 08:42.232\n請問部長的意見是什麼?\n\n09:01.621 --> 09:28.987\n之前是不是也需要跟經濟部一起來合作那就是麻煩跟經濟部好好地來溝通因為其實像我之前過去在做特色公園的時候我們也有一些遊戲設施它是會播音樂的我們就會讓它播什麼TOO啊所以這個就再麻煩部長然後最後一個問題想要再還是回到一個叫做我們現有的場館上面還有沒有可以更精進的部分但是我們現在有這麼多這個就是文化部所管的這個博物館\n\n09:31.288 --> 09:45.416\n我發現我們常設展台在很多大型的博物館都有像是台灣博物館、歷史博物館、美術館都有可是我們在史前文化博物館在這一塊常設展的台語翻譯卻是缺乏的我想了解一下原因可不可以說明一下\n\n09:48.601 --> 09:49.502\n國立的台灣工藝研究發展中心也是一樣的狀況嗎?\n\n10:13.943 --> 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