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\"zh\"}","srt":"1\n00:00:04,427 --> 00:00:05,708\n請文化部李部長。委員好\n\n2\n00:00:23,632 --> 00:00:40,922\n前陣子呢有許多臺灣藝人到中國表演的時候呢對於政治局勢做表態當時也引起了軒然大波到現在還是很多民眾在關心那當時文化部這邊有回應說這種事情絕對不會發生在民主自由的臺灣這句話本詳於肯定就是我們文化部這個態度\n\n3\n00:00:42,043 --> 00:01:02,090\n但相對來說過去我們都認為說透過文化音樂的交流可以增進中國人民對臺灣的認識進而了解並尊重臺灣的不同但是從這些表態的事件來看事情不是我們想的那個樣子部長您認為我們對於這些不屈服逼表態或是他表達守護民主自由的這些業人是不是應該給予鼓勵?\n\n4\n00:01:03,906 --> 00:01:28,213\n當然當然因為我覺得今天我願意來當文化部長其實第一個就是希望改善整個臺灣的文化生態包括電影、電視、文學、繪本、戲劇我們投注了比過去更多的經費包括我這兩天還跑去拜會國家發展委員會跟他爭取更多的預算其實就是希望臺灣本身\n\n5\n00:01:29,033 --> 00:01:44,007\n的文化人也好藝人也好他可以在這個地方就得到了一個表達表演的機會而且台灣相對於中國他的差別在於各種題材都是非常自由的非常自由的各種題材\n\n6\n00:01:45,788 --> 00:01:45,808\n陳秀寳議員\n\n7\n00:02:07,449 --> 00:02:10,191\n謝謝部長我們的國家提供給這些藝人包括文化創作者一個自由的安全的空間讓他們可以自由的去發揮但是我們是不是可以再用其他怎樣的方法讓更多的台灣藝人或是世界各國的藝人願意站在守護民主自由的台灣這一邊\n\n8\n00:02:32,509 --> 00:02:38,313\n例如說我們是不是開闢節目或者說讓我們的藝人有更多國際的舞台的這些空間呢我們文化部是不是有思考過怎麼樣去做這樣子的規劃有我們的其實我們現在有很多預算是用在國際合作希望我們的演員我們的戲劇可以出去然後他們也可以進來投資所以目前我們跟過去最大差別就是我們每一部電影或戲劇都有兩三個國家在合拍\n\n9\n00:03:04,031 --> 00:03:04,051\n謝謝部長\n\n10\n00:03:19,708 --> 00:03:43,102\n接下來請教部長媒體有報導說嚴家幹紀念協會遭指8年前以修復故居為由由文資局出面向台銀無償借用臨近的兩處古蹟來綻放文物並且已經二度的續借之後仍然拒絕簽出文資局這邊有回應說是陸續都有溝通那針對說古蹟遭到無償佔用這個部分請問目前溝通的狀況怎麼樣\n\n11\n00:03:45,563 --> 00:04:12,686\n好這個已經八年了但是距離我們修好還有兩年半然後文資局必須跟臺雲繼續借他的那個自由之家然後來擺他的文物文物大概有一兩萬件所以我們現在的角色是第一我們要保護那些文物第二我們要趕快的做資產活化第三我們要尊重所有的人民可以\n\n12\n00:04:13,246 --> 00:04:16,069\n謝謝部長您的回應這也是我今天質詢這個議題的重要就是說我們什麼時候對我們這個古蹟保存的這個我們該做的努力跟我們什麼時候可以開放給民眾參觀這個事宜這也是攸關民眾的權益那我們還有兩年半剛剛部長您說還有兩年半\n\n13\n00:04:36,388 --> 00:04:47,915\n這兩年半裡面除了說這個股機修復的這個部分之外呢還有這個五年來呢這個協會有取得文資局超過2200萬的這個維護台銀兩處股機的標案那關於這兩處股機的維護現在進行怎麼樣我是不是請文資局的局長來跟你回答因為這個案子已經做了八年了\n\n14\n00:05:00,527 --> 00:05:15,226\n報告委員就是關於自由之家跟大同之家我們借來之後還是善盡保護古蹟的責任所以我們裡面的清潔維運也都是照我們的古蹟的標準去做維護那至於說那些標準都是公開招標\n\n15\n00:05:16,857 --> 00:05:28,823\n我沒有質疑說他是不是公開招標我是說既然他標到了這樣的標案那他裡面維護的狀況如何進度如何什麼時候可以開放給民眾參觀那是不是會後你給我一份書面報告好不好開放給民眾參觀\n\n16\n00:05:33,132 --> 00:05:45,026\n這個部分我要提醒那文資局竟然已經認定是國家的古蹟那應該要很積極的來辦理相關的事宜那不應該由協會長期來佔用希望希望說文化部跟文資局這邊可以你們這個正視這個問題\n\n17\n00:05:48,510 --> 00:05:54,913\n接下來關於深層式AI的規範我要請教部長本期中去年就一直很關心深層式AI在文化藝術方面它應用所產生相關的問題從深層式AI發展以來已經迅速的在各個領域的都很大方面的在使用之前有歌手使用AI創作想要參加進取獎的爭議之後也發生了美術比賽的參賽者使用AI創作這個情形\n\n18\n00:06:17,362 --> 00:06:32,189\n顯見AI使用及需相關指引規範．但是從本期上去質詢之後．文化部一直到5月13日．才發了一個《文化藝術應用生成式AI規範策略的規劃藝文採購案》所以文化部是現在才開始研議嗎?而且這個履約的期限是到明年114年5月．我們還有一年多的時間．到那個時候我們才能提出生成式AI的規範嗎?部長\n\n19\n00:06:45,577 --> 00:06:46,320\n請次長回答,因為這個問題真的是蠻複雜的\n\n20\n00:06:50,053 --> 00:06:50,173\n謝謝委員的詮詢\n\n21\n00:07:19,753 --> 00:07:26,937\n跟國科會這邊然後還有我們這個委員我們一起來議論因為我們這個規範的這個標案我們到114年5月等於還有一年的時間你們才能提出相關的規範那好在提出我們這個相關規範之前我們能不能先有指引因為其實整個AI的應用發展是越來越快速越來越廣\n\n22\n00:07:42,526 --> 00:08:03,523\n那專家也指出說現在我們很難用肉眼來辨識藝術作品是不是AI的創作之外呢這部分我們文化部也要所因應啊那未來在相關的關於藝文比賽啊文化部這邊你們要如何協助評審去辨識是不是有AI使用的這個狀況你們如何協助有指引可以先給這些使用者跟評審者有這個依據嗎\n\n23\n00:08:06,985 --> 00:08:34,408\n委員的這個交付我們來研究看怎麼樣提早做出指引的部分讓縣市政府或者是各級舉辦活動的時候可以好謝謝次長就是說在我們規範正式的公佈之前這個指引要先有讓相關的單位可以有一個參考的依據好那接下來就今天的專報來就叫我們部長根據文化部的國家語言發展報告顯示民眾在小時候第一個會說的語言是台語\n\n24\n00:08:35,169 --> 00:08:49,199\n但是調查也顯示說目前40歲以下使用臺語的人口聽跟說的能力已經剩不到一半顯示臺語的源流是隨著年紀也快速的這個增加也已經到明顯的面臨傳承這個危機尤其是現在的孩子因為他們長期\n\n25\n00:08:50,140 --> 00:08:50,600\n主席主席\n\n26\n00:09:12,606 --> 00:09:13,007\n我請市長回答\n\n27\n00:09:28,891 --> 00:09:28,911\n陳秀寳議員\n\n28\n00:09:46,661 --> 00:10:07,256\n因應網絡社群媒體或影音媒體的能夠更多的製作臺語類的節目讓大家接觸臺語的機會越來越多那在接觸臺語的時候我們當然希望他在內容上使用的就是一個比較正規的傳統的臺語的智慧而不是因為我們現在常常講台語的時候其實是用華語來反映台語不是用本身台語以前的用詞所以這部分我們會在補助的項目裡面\n\n29\n00:10:16,502 --> 00:10:18,983\n目前我們國家語言發展報告裡面也將臺語列為有傳承危機就是有明確的危險的本土語言\n\n30\n00:10:33,587 --> 00:11:00,309\n平常我們在菜市場買菜啊日常生活中可以發現使用臺語的主要的人口其實是真的也是比較年長的民眾喔甚至可以發現說大概2歲到3歲從開始學講話到30歲的這些年輕人呢對臺語的使用其實使用度非常的低甚至聽不懂或是聽了都還要一知半解因為我們我們現在講的話我們可能馬上只講了聽到就知道是什麼意思可是聽臺語他們還要翻譯一下還要嫩一下就是說欸把它轉譯過來所以說\n\n31\n00:11:02,971 --> 00:11:14,135\n這個部分剛剛講到除了說我們有接觸台語我們要有機會去使用它那我們目前台語業務的推動有文化部跟教育部這邊共同來負擔那業務其實分散在兩個部會而且是沒有負責就是專責的負責的單位那其中文化部這邊負責台語相關的部分是人文及出版司\n\n32\n00:11:25,838 --> 00:11:49,176\n但是人文及出版司的業務也很繁雜而且主要的業務應該是放在出版所以說有學者指出應該設置一個臺語事務委員會來專門推動臺語相關發展的業務部長您覺得呢?您認同嗎?認同啊,因為我們目前就是先要成立一個像多語言發展的一個文化中心\n\n33\n00:11:50,396 --> 00:12:13,228\n所以部長您也認同說是需要一個專責在語言發展的這個單位來專門負責我們雖然把那個任務交給那個出版跟人文師可是我們的經費是下到每一個單位尤其是台語台齁它佔了我們比例非常高但是委員剛剛講的很有道理我們會成立一個總管這個台語專責的單位對對對\n\n34\n00:12:15,210 --> 00:12:26,380\n其實本期這邊是要提醒文化部臺語是列為明確危險的本土語言那對於文化部這邊你們在推廣這些臺語業務應該要針對年輕的族群來制定推廣的方案而且我們每四年有一個國家語言發展報告我們要藉由這個發展報告來審視推廣的成效\n\n35\n00:12:36,329 --> 00:12:36,369\n陳秀寳委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4427\t5708\t請文化部李部長。委員好\n23632\t40922\t前陣子呢有許多臺灣藝人到中國表演的時候呢對於政治局勢做表態當時也引起了軒然大波到現在還是很多民眾在關心那當時文化部這邊有回應說這種事情絕對不會發生在民主自由的臺灣這句話本詳於肯定就是我們文化部這個態度\n42043\t62090\t但相對來說過去我們都認為說透過文化音樂的交流可以增進中國人民對臺灣的認識進而了解並尊重臺灣的不同但是從這些表態的事件來看事情不是我們想的那個樣子部長您認為我們對於這些不屈服逼表態或是他表達守護民主自由的這些業人是不是應該給予鼓勵?\n63906\t88213\t當然當然因為我覺得今天我願意來當文化部長其實第一個就是希望改善整個臺灣的文化生態包括電影、電視、文學、繪本、戲劇我們投注了比過去更多的經費包括我這兩天還跑去拜會國家發展委員會跟他爭取更多的預算其實就是希望臺灣本身\n89033\t104007\t的文化人也好藝人也好他可以在這個地方就得到了一個表達表演的機會而且台灣相對於中國他的差別在於各種題材都是非常自由的非常自由的各種題材\n105788\t105808\t陳秀寳議員\n127449\t130191\t謝謝部長我們的國家提供給這些藝人包括文化創作者一個自由的安全的空間讓他們可以自由的去發揮但是我們是不是可以再用其他怎樣的方法讓更多的台灣藝人或是世界各國的藝人願意站在守護民主自由的台灣這一邊\n152509\t158313\t例如說我們是不是開闢節目或者說讓我們的藝人有更多國際的舞台的這些空間呢我們文化部是不是有思考過怎麼樣去做這樣子的規劃有我們的其實我們現在有很多預算是用在國際合作希望我們的演員我們的戲劇可以出去然後他們也可以進來投資所以目前我們跟過去最大差別就是我們每一部電影或戲劇都有兩三個國家在合拍\n184031\t184051\t謝謝部長\n199708\t223102\t接下來請教部長媒體有報導說嚴家幹紀念協會遭指8年前以修復故居為由由文資局出面向台銀無償借用臨近的兩處古蹟來綻放文物並且已經二度的續借之後仍然拒絕簽出文資局這邊有回應說是陸續都有溝通那針對說古蹟遭到無償佔用這個部分請問目前溝通的狀況怎麼樣\n225563\t252686\t好 這個已經八年了但是距離我們修好還有兩年半然後文資局必須跟臺雲繼續借他的那個自由之家然後來擺他的文物文物大概有一兩萬件所以我們現在的角色是第一我們要保護那些文物第二我們要趕快的做資產活化第三我們要尊重所有的人民可以\n253246\t256069\t謝謝部長您的回應這也是我今天質詢這個議題的重要就是說我們什麼時候對我們這個古蹟保存的這個我們該做的努力跟我們什麼時候可以開放給民眾參觀這個事宜這也是攸關民眾的權益那我們還有兩年半剛剛部長您說還有兩年半\n276388\t287915\t這兩年半裡面除了說這個股機修復的這個部分之外呢還有這個五年來呢這個協會有取得文資局超過2200萬的這個維護台銀兩處股機的標案那關於這兩處股機的維護現在進行怎麼樣我是不是請文資局的局長來跟你回答因為這個案子已經做了八年了\n300527\t315226\t報告委員就是關於自由之家跟大同之家我們借來之後還是善盡保護古蹟的責任所以我們裡面的清潔維運也都是照我們的古蹟的標準去做維護那至於說那些標準都是公開招標\n316857\t328823\t我沒有質疑說他是不是公開招標我是說既然他標到了這樣的標案那他裡面維護的狀況如何進度如何什麼時候可以開放給民眾參觀那是不是會後你給我一份書面報告好不好開放給民眾參觀\n333132\t345026\t這個部分我要提醒那文資局竟然已經認定是國家的古蹟那應該要很積極的來辦理相關的事宜那不應該由協會長期來佔用希望 希望說文化部跟文資局這邊可以你們這個正視這個問題\n348510\t354913\t接下來關於深層式AI的規範我要請教部長本期中去年就一直很關心深層式AI在文化藝術方面它應用所產生相關的問題從深層式AI發展以來已經迅速的在各個領域的都很大方面的在使用之前有歌手使用AI創作想要參加進取獎的爭議之後也發生了美術比賽的參賽者使用AI創作這個情形\n377362\t392189\t顯見AI使用及需相關指引規範．但是從本期上去質詢之後．文化部一直到5月13日．才發了一個《文化藝術應用生成式AI規範策略的規劃藝文採購案》所以文化部是現在才開始研議嗎?而且這個履約的期限是到明年114年5月．我們還有一年多的時間．到那個時候我們才能提出生成式AI的規範嗎?部長\n405577\t406320\t請次長回答,因為這個問題真的是蠻複雜的\n410053\t410173\t謝謝委員的詮詢\n439753\t446937\t跟國科會這邊然後還有我們這個委員我們一起來議論因為我們這個規範的這個標案我們到114年5月等於還有一年的時間你們才能提出相關的規範那好在提出我們這個相關規範之前我們能不能先有指引因為其實整個AI的應用發展是越來越快速越來越廣\n462526\t483523\t那專家也指出說現在我們很難用肉眼來辨識藝術作品是不是AI的創作之外呢這部分我們文化部也要所因應啊那未來在相關的關於藝文比賽啊文化部這邊你們要如何協助評審去辨識是不是有AI使用的這個狀況你們如何協助有指引可以先給這些使用者跟評審者有這個依據嗎\n486985\t514408\t委員的這個交付我們來研究看怎麼樣提早做出指引的部分讓縣市政府或者是各級舉辦活動的時候可以好謝謝次長就是說在我們規範正式的公佈之前這個指引要先有讓相關的單位可以有一個參考的依據好那接下來就今天的專報來就叫我們部長根據文化部的國家語言發展報告顯示民眾在小時候第一個會說的語言是台語\n515169\t529199\t但是調查也顯示說目前40歲以下使用臺語的人口聽跟說的能力已經剩不到一半顯示臺語的源流是隨著年紀也快速的這個增加也已經到明顯的面臨傳承這個危機尤其是現在的孩子因為他們長期\n530140\t530600\t主席主席\n552606\t553007\t我請市長回答\n568891\t568911\t陳秀寳議員\n586661\t607256\t因應網絡社群媒體或影音媒體的能夠更多的製作臺語類的節目讓大家接觸臺語的機會越來越多那在接觸臺語的時候我們當然希望他在內容上使用的就是一個比較正規的傳統的臺語的智慧而不是因為我們現在常常講台語的時候其實是用華語來反映台語不是用本身台語以前的用詞所以這部分我們會在補助的項目裡面\n616502\t618983\t目前我們國家語言發展報告裡面也將臺語列為有傳承危機就是有明確的危險的本土語言\n633587\t660309\t平常我們在菜市場買菜啊日常生活中可以發現使用臺語的主要的人口其實是真的也是比較年長的民眾喔甚至可以發現說大概2歲到3歲從開始學講話到30歲的這些年輕人呢對臺語的使用其實使用度非常的低甚至聽不懂或是聽了都還要一知半解因為我們我們現在講的話我們可能馬上只講了聽到就知道是什麼意思可是聽臺語他們還要翻譯一下還要嫩一下就是說欸把它轉譯過來所以說\n662971\t674135\t這個部分剛剛講到除了說我們有接觸台語我們要有機會去使用它那我們目前台語業務的推動有文化部跟教育部這邊共同來負擔那業務其實分散在兩個部會而且是沒有負責就是專責的負責的單位那其中文化部這邊負責台語相關的部分是人文及出版司\n685838\t709176\t但是人文及出版司的業務也很繁雜而且主要的業務應該是放在出版所以說有學者指出應該設置一個臺語事務委員會來專門推動臺語相關發展的業務部長您覺得呢?您認同嗎?認同啊,因為我們目前就是先要成立一個像多語言發展的一個文化中心\n710396\t733228\t所以部長您也認同說是需要一個專責在語言發展的這個單位來專門負責我們雖然把那個任務交給那個出版跟人文師可是我們的經費是下到每一個單位尤其是台語台齁它佔了我們比例非常高但是委員剛剛講的很有道理我們會成立一個總管這個台語專責的單位對對對\n735210\t746380\t其實本期這邊是要提醒文化部臺語是列為明確危險的本土語言那對於文化部這邊你們在推廣這些臺語業務應該要針對年輕的族群來制定推廣的方案而且我們每四年有一個國家語言發展報告我們要藉由這個發展報告來審視推廣的成效\n756329\t756369\t陳秀寳委員\n","txt":"請文化部李部長。委員好\n前陣子呢有許多臺灣藝人到中國表演的時候呢對於政治局勢做表態當時也引起了軒然大波到現在還是很多民眾在關心那當時文化部這邊有回應說這種事情絕對不會發生在民主自由的臺灣這句話本詳於肯定就是我們文化部這個態度\n但相對來說過去我們都認為說透過文化音樂的交流可以增進中國人民對臺灣的認識進而了解並尊重臺灣的不同但是從這些表態的事件來看事情不是我們想的那個樣子部長您認為我們對於這些不屈服逼表態或是他表達守護民主自由的這些業人是不是應該給予鼓勵?\n當然當然因為我覺得今天我願意來當文化部長其實第一個就是希望改善整個臺灣的文化生態包括電影、電視、文學、繪本、戲劇我們投注了比過去更多的經費包括我這兩天還跑去拜會國家發展委員會跟他爭取更多的預算其實就是希望臺灣本身\n的文化人也好藝人也好他可以在這個地方就得到了一個表達表演的機會而且台灣相對於中國他的差別在於各種題材都是非常自由的非常自由的各種題材\n陳秀寳議員\n謝謝部長我們的國家提供給這些藝人包括文化創作者一個自由的安全的空間讓他們可以自由的去發揮但是我們是不是可以再用其他怎樣的方法讓更多的台灣藝人或是世界各國的藝人願意站在守護民主自由的台灣這一邊\n例如說我們是不是開闢節目或者說讓我們的藝人有更多國際的舞台的這些空間呢我們文化部是不是有思考過怎麼樣去做這樣子的規劃有我們的其實我們現在有很多預算是用在國際合作希望我們的演員我們的戲劇可以出去然後他們也可以進來投資所以目前我們跟過去最大差別就是我們每一部電影或戲劇都有兩三個國家在合拍\n謝謝部長\n接下來請教部長媒體有報導說嚴家幹紀念協會遭指8年前以修復故居為由由文資局出面向台銀無償借用臨近的兩處古蹟來綻放文物並且已經二度的續借之後仍然拒絕簽出文資局這邊有回應說是陸續都有溝通那針對說古蹟遭到無償佔用這個部分請問目前溝通的狀況怎麼樣\n好 這個已經八年了但是距離我們修好還有兩年半然後文資局必須跟臺雲繼續借他的那個自由之家然後來擺他的文物文物大概有一兩萬件所以我們現在的角色是第一我們要保護那些文物第二我們要趕快的做資產活化第三我們要尊重所有的人民可以\n謝謝部長您的回應這也是我今天質詢這個議題的重要就是說我們什麼時候對我們這個古蹟保存的這個我們該做的努力跟我們什麼時候可以開放給民眾參觀這個事宜這也是攸關民眾的權益那我們還有兩年半剛剛部長您說還有兩年半\n這兩年半裡面除了說這個股機修復的這個部分之外呢還有這個五年來呢這個協會有取得文資局超過2200萬的這個維護台銀兩處股機的標案那關於這兩處股機的維護現在進行怎麼樣我是不是請文資局的局長來跟你回答因為這個案子已經做了八年了\n報告委員就是關於自由之家跟大同之家我們借來之後還是善盡保護古蹟的責任所以我們裡面的清潔維運也都是照我們的古蹟的標準去做維護那至於說那些標準都是公開招標\n我沒有質疑說他是不是公開招標我是說既然他標到了這樣的標案那他裡面維護的狀況如何進度如何什麼時候可以開放給民眾參觀那是不是會後你給我一份書面報告好不好開放給民眾參觀\n這個部分我要提醒那文資局竟然已經認定是國家的古蹟那應該要很積極的來辦理相關的事宜那不應該由協會長期來佔用希望 希望說文化部跟文資局這邊可以你們這個正視這個問題\n接下來關於深層式AI的規範我要請教部長本期中去年就一直很關心深層式AI在文化藝術方面它應用所產生相關的問題從深層式AI發展以來已經迅速的在各個領域的都很大方面的在使用之前有歌手使用AI創作想要參加進取獎的爭議之後也發生了美術比賽的參賽者使用AI創作這個情形\n顯見AI使用及需相關指引規範．但是從本期上去質詢之後．文化部一直到5月13日．才發了一個《文化藝術應用生成式AI規範策略的規劃藝文採購案》所以文化部是現在才開始研議嗎?而且這個履約的期限是到明年114年5月．我們還有一年多的時間．到那個時候我們才能提出生成式AI的規範嗎?部長\n請次長回答,因為這個問題真的是蠻複雜的\n謝謝委員的詮詢\n跟國科會這邊然後還有我們這個委員我們一起來議論因為我們這個規範的這個標案我們到114年5月等於還有一年的時間你們才能提出相關的規範那好在提出我們這個相關規範之前我們能不能先有指引因為其實整個AI的應用發展是越來越快速越來越廣\n那專家也指出說現在我們很難用肉眼來辨識藝術作品是不是AI的創作之外呢這部分我們文化部也要所因應啊那未來在相關的關於藝文比賽啊文化部這邊你們要如何協助評審去辨識是不是有AI使用的這個狀況你們如何協助有指引可以先給這些使用者跟評審者有這個依據嗎\n委員的這個交付我們來研究看怎麼樣提早做出指引的部分讓縣市政府或者是各級舉辦活動的時候可以好謝謝次長就是說在我們規範正式的公佈之前這個指引要先有讓相關的單位可以有一個參考的依據好那接下來就今天的專報來就叫我們部長根據文化部的國家語言發展報告顯示民眾在小時候第一個會說的語言是台語\n但是調查也顯示說目前40歲以下使用臺語的人口聽跟說的能力已經剩不到一半顯示臺語的源流是隨著年紀也快速的這個增加也已經到明顯的面臨傳承這個危機尤其是現在的孩子因為他們長期\n主席主席\n我請市長回答\n陳秀寳議員\n因應網絡社群媒體或影音媒體的能夠更多的製作臺語類的節目讓大家接觸臺語的機會越來越多那在接觸臺語的時候我們當然希望他在內容上使用的就是一個比較正規的傳統的臺語的智慧而不是因為我們現在常常講台語的時候其實是用華語來反映台語不是用本身台語以前的用詞所以這部分我們會在補助的項目裡面\n目前我們國家語言發展報告裡面也將臺語列為有傳承危機就是有明確的危險的本土語言\n平常我們在菜市場買菜啊日常生活中可以發現使用臺語的主要的人口其實是真的也是比較年長的民眾喔甚至可以發現說大概2歲到3歲從開始學講話到30歲的這些年輕人呢對臺語的使用其實使用度非常的低甚至聽不懂或是聽了都還要一知半解因為我們我們現在講的話我們可能馬上只講了聽到就知道是什麼意思可是聽臺語他們還要翻譯一下還要嫩一下就是說欸把它轉譯過來所以說\n這個部分剛剛講到除了說我們有接觸台語我們要有機會去使用它那我們目前台語業務的推動有文化部跟教育部這邊共同來負擔那業務其實分散在兩個部會而且是沒有負責就是專責的負責的單位那其中文化部這邊負責台語相關的部分是人文及出版司\n但是人文及出版司的業務也很繁雜而且主要的業務應該是放在出版所以說有學者指出應該設置一個臺語事務委員會來專門推動臺語相關發展的業務部長您覺得呢?您認同嗎?認同啊,因為我們目前就是先要成立一個像多語言發展的一個文化中心\n所以部長您也認同說是需要一個專責在語言發展的這個單位來專門負責我們雖然把那個任務交給那個出版跟人文師可是我們的經費是下到每一個單位尤其是台語台齁它佔了我們比例非常高但是委員剛剛講的很有道理我們會成立一個總管這個台語專責的單位對對對\n其實本期這邊是要提醒文化部臺語是列為明確危險的本土語言那對於文化部這邊你們在推廣這些臺語業務應該要針對年輕的族群來制定推廣的方案而且我們每四年有一個國家語言發展報告我們要藉由這個發展報告來審視推廣的成效\n陳秀寳委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.427 --> 00:05.708\n請文化部李部長。委員好\n\n00:23.632 --> 00:40.922\n前陣子呢有許多臺灣藝人到中國表演的時候呢對於政治局勢做表態當時也引起了軒然大波到現在還是很多民眾在關心那當時文化部這邊有回應說這種事情絕對不會發生在民主自由的臺灣這句話本詳於肯定就是我們文化部這個態度\n\n00:42.043 --> 01:02.090\n但相對來說過去我們都認為說透過文化音樂的交流可以增進中國人民對臺灣的認識進而了解並尊重臺灣的不同但是從這些表態的事件來看事情不是我們想的那個樣子部長您認為我們對於這些不屈服逼表態或是他表達守護民主自由的這些業人是不是應該給予鼓勵?\n\n01:03.906 --> 01:28.213\n當然當然因為我覺得今天我願意來當文化部長其實第一個就是希望改善整個臺灣的文化生態包括電影、電視、文學、繪本、戲劇我們投注了比過去更多的經費包括我這兩天還跑去拜會國家發展委員會跟他爭取更多的預算其實就是希望臺灣本身\n\n01:29.033 --> 01:44.007\n的文化人也好藝人也好他可以在這個地方就得到了一個表達表演的機會而且台灣相對於中國他的差別在於各種題材都是非常自由的非常自由的各種題材\n\n01:45.788 --> 01:45.808\n陳秀寳議員\n\n02:07.449 --> 02:10.191\n謝謝部長我們的國家提供給這些藝人包括文化創作者一個自由的安全的空間讓他們可以自由的去發揮但是我們是不是可以再用其他怎樣的方法讓更多的台灣藝人或是世界各國的藝人願意站在守護民主自由的台灣這一邊\n\n02:32.509 --> 02:38.313\n例如說我們是不是開闢節目或者說讓我們的藝人有更多國際的舞台的這些空間呢我們文化部是不是有思考過怎麼樣去做這樣子的規劃有我們的其實我們現在有很多預算是用在國際合作希望我們的演員我們的戲劇可以出去然後他們也可以進來投資所以目前我們跟過去最大差別就是我們每一部電影或戲劇都有兩三個國家在合拍\n\n03:04.031 --> 03:04.051\n謝謝部長\n\n03:19.708 --> 03:43.102\n接下來請教部長媒體有報導說嚴家幹紀念協會遭指8年前以修復故居為由由文資局出面向台銀無償借用臨近的兩處古蹟來綻放文物並且已經二度的續借之後仍然拒絕簽出文資局這邊有回應說是陸續都有溝通那針對說古蹟遭到無償佔用這個部分請問目前溝通的狀況怎麼樣\n\n03:45.563 --> 04:12.686\n好這個已經八年了但是距離我們修好還有兩年半然後文資局必須跟臺雲繼續借他的那個自由之家然後來擺他的文物文物大概有一兩萬件所以我們現在的角色是第一我們要保護那些文物第二我們要趕快的做資產活化第三我們要尊重所有的人民可以\n\n04:13.246 --> 04:16.069\n謝謝部長您的回應這也是我今天質詢這個議題的重要就是說我們什麼時候對我們這個古蹟保存的這個我們該做的努力跟我們什麼時候可以開放給民眾參觀這個事宜這也是攸關民眾的權益那我們還有兩年半剛剛部長您說還有兩年半\n\n04:36.388 --> 04:47.915\n這兩年半裡面除了說這個股機修復的這個部分之外呢還有這個五年來呢這個協會有取得文資局超過2200萬的這個維護台銀兩處股機的標案那關於這兩處股機的維護現在進行怎麼樣我是不是請文資局的局長來跟你回答因為這個案子已經做了八年了\n\n05:00.527 --> 05:15.226\n報告委員就是關於自由之家跟大同之家我們借來之後還是善盡保護古蹟的責任所以我們裡面的清潔維運也都是照我們的古蹟的標準去做維護那至於說那些標準都是公開招標\n\n05:16.857 --> 05:28.823\n我沒有質疑說他是不是公開招標我是說既然他標到了這樣的標案那他裡面維護的狀況如何進度如何什麼時候可以開放給民眾參觀那是不是會後你給我一份書面報告好不好開放給民眾參觀\n\n05:33.132 --> 05:45.026\n這個部分我要提醒那文資局竟然已經認定是國家的古蹟那應該要很積極的來辦理相關的事宜那不應該由協會長期來佔用希望希望說文化部跟文資局這邊可以你們這個正視這個問題\n\n05:48.510 --> 05:54.913\n接下來關於深層式AI的規範我要請教部長本期中去年就一直很關心深層式AI在文化藝術方面它應用所產生相關的問題從深層式AI發展以來已經迅速的在各個領域的都很大方面的在使用之前有歌手使用AI創作想要參加進取獎的爭議之後也發生了美術比賽的參賽者使用AI創作這個情形\n\n06:17.362 --> 06:32.189\n顯見AI使用及需相關指引規範．但是從本期上去質詢之後．文化部一直到5月13日．才發了一個《文化藝術應用生成式AI規範策略的規劃藝文採購案》所以文化部是現在才開始研議嗎?而且這個履約的期限是到明年114年5月．我們還有一年多的時間．到那個時候我們才能提出生成式AI的規範嗎?部長\n\n06:45.577 --> 06:46.320\n請次長回答,因為這個問題真的是蠻複雜的\n\n06:50.053 --> 06:50.173\n謝謝委員的詮詢\n\n07:19.753 --> 07:26.937\n跟國科會這邊然後還有我們這個委員我們一起來議論因為我們這個規範的這個標案我們到114年5月等於還有一年的時間你們才能提出相關的規範那好在提出我們這個相關規範之前我們能不能先有指引因為其實整個AI的應用發展是越來越快速越來越廣\n\n07:42.526 --> 08:03.523\n那專家也指出說現在我們很難用肉眼來辨識藝術作品是不是AI的創作之外呢這部分我們文化部也要所因應啊那未來在相關的關於藝文比賽啊文化部這邊你們要如何協助評審去辨識是不是有AI使用的這個狀況你們如何協助有指引可以先給這些使用者跟評審者有這個依據嗎\n\n08:06.985 --> 08:34.408\n委員的這個交付我們來研究看怎麼樣提早做出指引的部分讓縣市政府或者是各級舉辦活動的時候可以好謝謝次長就是說在我們規範正式的公佈之前這個指引要先有讓相關的單位可以有一個參考的依據好那接下來就今天的專報來就叫我們部長根據文化部的國家語言發展報告顯示民眾在小時候第一個會說的語言是台語\n\n08:35.169 --> 08:49.199\n但是調查也顯示說目前40歲以下使用臺語的人口聽跟說的能力已經剩不到一半顯示臺語的源流是隨著年紀也快速的這個增加也已經到明顯的面臨傳承這個危機尤其是現在的孩子因為他們長期\n\n08:50.140 --> 08:50.600\n主席主席\n\n09:12.606 --> 09:13.007\n我請市長回答\n\n09:28.891 --> 09:28.911\n陳秀寳議員\n\n09:46.661 --> 10:07.256\n因應網絡社群媒體或影音媒體的能夠更多的製作臺語類的節目讓大家接觸臺語的機會越來越多那在接觸臺語的時候我們當然希望他在內容上使用的就是一個比較正規的傳統的臺語的智慧而不是因為我們現在常常講台語的時候其實是用華語來反映台語不是用本身台語以前的用詞所以這部分我們會在補助的項目裡面\n\n10:16.502 --> 10:18.983\n目前我們國家語言發展報告裡面也將臺語列為有傳承危機就是有明確的危險的本土語言\n\n10:33.587 --> 11:00.309\n平常我們在菜市場買菜啊日常生活中可以發現使用臺語的主要的人口其實是真的也是比較年長的民眾喔甚至可以發現說大概2歲到3歲從開始學講話到30歲的這些年輕人呢對臺語的使用其實使用度非常的低甚至聽不懂或是聽了都還要一知半解因為我們我們現在講的話我們可能馬上只講了聽到就知道是什麼意思可是聽臺語他們還要翻譯一下還要嫩一下就是說欸把它轉譯過來所以說\n\n11:02.971 --> 11:14.135\n這個部分剛剛講到除了說我們有接觸台語我們要有機會去使用它那我們目前台語業務的推動有文化部跟教育部這邊共同來負擔那業務其實分散在兩個部會而且是沒有負責就是專責的負責的單位那其中文化部這邊負責台語相關的部分是人文及出版司\n\n11:25.838 --> 11:49.176\n但是人文及出版司的業務也很繁雜而且主要的業務應該是放在出版所以說有學者指出應該設置一個臺語事務委員會來專門推動臺語相關發展的業務部長您覺得呢?您認同嗎?認同啊,因為我們目前就是先要成立一個像多語言發展的一個文化中心\n\n11:50.396 --> 12:13.228\n所以部長您也認同說是需要一個專責在語言發展的這個單位來專門負責我們雖然把那個任務交給那個出版跟人文師可是我們的經費是下到每一個單位尤其是台語台齁它佔了我們比例非常高但是委員剛剛講的很有道理我們會成立一個總管這個台語專責的單位對對對\n\n12:15.210 --> 12:26.380\n其實本期這邊是要提醒文化部臺語是列為明確危險的本土語言那對於文化部這邊你們在推廣這些臺語業務應該要針對年輕的族群來制定推廣的方案而且我們每四年有一個國家語言發展報告我們要藉由這個發展報告來審視推廣的成效\n\n12:36.329 --> 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