{"id":153772,"url":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/153772","video_url":"https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/91386385e8f925e2f1677a3b10c4d07663a4d3464892865ba3b2ba3d63e11ab41a8b0863b4c8fed05ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8","委員名稱":"麥玉珍","委員發言時間":"10:49:33 - 11:20:20","影片長度":"00:30:47","會議時間":"2024-06-07T09:00:00+08:00","會議名稱":"第11屆第1會期第17次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長報告施政方針繼續質詢。 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00:02:02,511\n當然是,我們追求是均衡台灣,把台灣每個地方都把它的各項的建設跟人民的生活都把它往上提升,讓台灣到每個地方都能感受到同樣的政策的照顧跟所有的制度。\n\n6\n00:02:04,734 --> 00:02:18,666\n但是在我們臺中及苗栗海線的地區,因為我住臺中,所以接到很多民眾的反應,臺鐵海線的班次已經很少了,但是現在還要砍班。\n\n7\n00:02:46,793 --> 00:02:53,776\n此外,我們在統計前臺有62個臺鐵站還沒有無障礙電梯,而且這個問題已經反映了10年了。\n\n8\n00:03:02,588 --> 00:03:27,144\n但是關於班次還有無障礙的措施的問題臺鐵每次都等待說雙軌化還有不符合的效益為由拒絕改善我也邀請來說跟我們說明也拒絕了所以請問院長你認為這樣的偏鄉及行動不便的居民這樣公平嗎?\n\n9\n00:03:28,069 --> 00:03:43,343\n我希望台鐵的服務會越來越好那細節請部長來跟委員說明好委員跟您報告有關無障礙的部分那台鐵現在已經有大概98%的站都已經有這個無障礙的電梯\n\n10\n00:03:43,683 --> 00:04:12,695\n對,但是現在有62個沒有,所以說這個部分要如何去改善。電梯是98.1了,那預計到年底可以到98.5,那現在可能需要努力的就是月台要跟那個車子能夠平接,就是說不用再能夠無障礙的平順的接,那這個目前241個站已經有132個站完成了,那後續還有60幾個站我們會持續的來推動,不用等到雙軌化。\n\n11\n00:04:13,715 --> 00:04:29,556\n好,這樣太好了。還有我們的班次,班次也要增加。班次的話不會減班,目前年底海線還會再規劃增加兩班。那主要是因為海線有一個狀況就是有40幾%的路段都還是單軌。\n\n12\n00:04:30,737 --> 00:04:53,297\n好,謝謝,希望我們就是要服務到要偏鄉的居民,很不方便。對,我們就靠高鐵沒有嘛,甚至我們靠台鐵,台鐵又拒絕的話,我們的民眾真的很可憐。所以海線雙軌化這個部分才能夠比較大幅的增加班次,那年底我們還會先增加兩班。\n\n13\n00:04:53,834 --> 00:05:09,368\n好,所以我們就是認為啦,就是不管是客運也好,台鐵也好,政府的機制就是的政策,不應該就是考量就是這個效益,要考量的是我們的民眾的方便。\n\n14\n00:05:09,808 --> 00:05:34,797\n所以要求就是可以的話去增搬這樣子的話大家不管是那邊的民眾還是說大家想要進去投資在那邊現在越來越好但是呢有很多公司很多地方但是搬資太少了導致很多人沒辦法進去消費所以大家這個是我們台中的民眾希望我們透過就是這一次我總詢詢\n\n15\n00:05:36,051 --> 00:05:53,377\n院長是可以跟我們的交通部這邊增加一些班次還有一些交通的方便讓我們在海線這邊的居民方便也有更多的商業在這邊的話就方便這樣才繁華這個地方這樣\n\n16\n00:05:54,719 --> 00:06:14,680\n是,謝謝委員提醒。謝謝委員,台鐵的同仁都非常的辛苦,也一直在提升所有的努力啊。我會請部長去督促台鐵的同仁跟所有的這個員工們一起再把委員剛剛所說的我們加速來檢驗有不足的地方、照顧不到的地方,還有班次如果能夠再合理的檢驗跟調整,這個都請部長來督促。\n\n17\n00:06:17,468 --> 00:06:22,791\n接下來的話想要請教一下我們的院長,你覺得你現在滿意我們政府要推南向政策的成果嗎?\n\n18\n00:06:41,528 --> 00:07:03,435\n南向政策從蔡前總統開始一開始很多人都寄予比較懷疑的眼光但是事實上看起來我們不管從經濟上從戰略上從外交上甚至從政治上我覺得這幾年走下來都讓台灣在南向政策的這個發展上面得到了相當的成果我覺得這個路我們必須還是繼續要勇敢的往前邁進\n\n19\n00:07:04,773 --> 00:07:32,752\n好謝謝我們的院長但是呢因為現在因為少子化的問題大專院校學生越來越少所以為了就是南向政策各個產業缺工的問題越來越嚴重國發會去年有提到說外籍勞動力在2030年時候就要增加40萬人每年僑外生畢業生人數超過13000多人\n\n20\n00:07:35,053 --> 00:07:51,273\n但留在臺灣就業的畢業生只有6000多人。請問院長認為問題在哪裡?還有說我們橋外生評點配額歷年來一直調整,調到今年2024還是\n\n21\n00:07:54,517 --> 00:08:01,284\n只有提高到7000人目前按照政策以成效能不能在2030年\n\n22\n00:08:05,848 --> 00:08:34,530\n答到這樣子的政策目標是否可以研議要取消評點制的上限還有另外我認為應該放寬外國人才延攬還有就是雇用法或者相關法律來擴大留用我們自己培育的僑生才能真正的達到就是我們的南向政策\n\n23\n00:08:35,010 --> 00:09:01,770\n還有就是說我們的橋外生的個人工作席客。好,非常謝謝麥委員對於橋外生相關的事務這樣的深入的了解。我們從評點的制度以及到另外有一些研議修法的方向甚至到一些跨部會的會商的檢討等等。我們現在是不是請勞動部細節來跟委員報告一些數字跟現在進度。好。\n\n24\n00:09:05,132 --> 00:09:31,330\n我想從國發會角度先說明一下跟委員報告一下我們原來其實對僑生的留下來的制度我們訂的是比較嚴謹那後來我們做了一個寬鬆的改善也就是說他現在有八個面向的評點那滿分是190分只要有70分就可以留下來所以我們在2016年的時候呢我們只有21%的僑生留下來那現在到2023年已經有48\n\n25\n00:09:33,311 --> 00:09:33,471\n﹚麥玉珍\n\n26\n00:09:59,079 --> 00:09:59,259\n﹚麥玉珍\n\n27\n00:10:25,438 --> 00:10:25,658\n好,我們嗨!\n\n28\n00:10:59,077 --> 00:11:11,730\n有關於我們橋外生的近年來留台的狀況使用評點制至今已經有超過五萬一千多人在通過評點制\n\n29\n00:11:12,811 --> 00:11:12,911\n﹚麥玉珍\n\n30\n00:11:27,805 --> 00:11:27,865\n臨時提案事項\n\n31\n00:11:55,874 --> 00:11:56,094\n以上報告。\n\n32\n00:12:14,215 --> 00:12:40,551\n好謝謝我們的委員長我們希望就是來這邊讀書是好不容易我們要培育人才要留住人才真正才能是達到我們的南向政策的目標好不容易來到臺灣但是找工作又困難又沒辦法留才我們就招攬我們就對其他的國家很對不起因為來到所以我們希望說我們的僑生\n\n33\n00:12:41,952 --> 00:12:42,172\n五百萬\n\n34\n00:13:02,611 --> 00:13:14,787\n只是500萬,對不對?但是按照現在的規定,企業要僱用僑生必須達到收支,就是台灣的台幣500萬,營業額新台幣1000萬以上,還有\n\n35\n00:13:20,315 --> 00:13:34,086\n經出口實際總拔要美金100萬以上或者代理用金達到美金40萬以上的門檻。在這樣子的缺工的世代相信這個很多老闆的困擾。\n\n36\n00:14:04,887 --> 00:14:33,987\n因為我有去詢問也有公文去說希望這個部分要去改善或者是我們的機制要去修正但是呢我收到的回覆說現階段以維持雇主資本而營業而限制未達到門檻的企業只能按照個案來跨部會會商免除限制\n\n37\n00:14:52,884 --> 00:15:14,444\n企業他們要請喬生他很想說政府有這個好意他想要請這個學生但是我們的門檻太高他們也請不到但是要你們又說你想要請你就要來跟我們三學生事實上如果院長你是這個企業你要去跟政府協商嗎\n\n38\n00:15:31,429 --> 00:15:48,561\n這困難,兩邊都困難的,到最後就是一邊請不到人,另外一邊也找不到工作。所以我們今天希望我們要找出問題,解決問題,協助企業跟僑生,變成一個最佳的橋樑。\n\n39\n00:15:49,875 --> 00:16:07,251\n很同意麥委員所說現在全世界不僅在搶人力也在搶人才那台灣的產業現在發展的這麼快速當然需要更多的人力跟更多的人才所以喬艾森持續以來一直是提供台灣在人力人才上面一個我們相當感謝的一個區塊\n\n40\n00:16:08,012 --> 00:16:08,292\n對門檻是不是可以\n\n41\n00:16:36,926 --> 00:17:00,486\n放寬一點讓更多的人有機會沒有企業他覺得在這邊請不到人全部都移到國外去我們台灣還是我們越南有一句話叫台灣有沒有應用人民富有國家興旺如果企業都往外移了我們政府的就沒有企業在這邊就沒有工作大家就苦哈哈的\n\n42\n00:17:02,453 --> 00:17:24,668\n是的,委員這個聲音其實我在上個禮拜有聽到所以我們現在做幾個短期的問題跟長期的解決長期一定是我們要來考慮這個條件的放寬那短期的部分是本來他有一些個案的可以直接特別申請然後就個案可以去核准\n\n43\n00:17:25,128 --> 00:17:25,148\n好,謝謝。\n\n44\n00:17:44,140 --> 00:18:04,194\n委員補充一點就是有關於新的這些政策資訊今年以來我們有強化去各不同的院校進行校園的就業宣導會議說明會除此之外我們還在北中南東也辦了市場針對企業跟學校的這個座談會\n\n45\n00:18:05,635 --> 00:18:24,264\n那麼廣泛的收集大家在聘顧橋外生的一些這個疑問或者是相關的訊息所以委員實教的部分我們一定會強化讓我們的企業以及學生跟學校都能夠收到最新的一些相關資訊然後我也會積極的來幫助我們的橋外生在臺灣就業的這個門檻\n\n46\n00:18:29,086 --> 00:18:29,406\n所以我們台灣才有10...\n\n47\n00:18:47,634 --> 00:18:47,754\n謝謝,謝謝發言委員。\n\n48\n00:19:14,647 --> 00:19:35,739\n讓更多人真正的達到我們的南向政策的目的,因為這都是為你們南向政策執行的,是不是?所以呢接下來我想要請教一下,因為我們在我是新住民委員,立委,所以呢我也是關注我們新住民的相關的議題。\n\n49\n00:19:36,639 --> 00:19:57,612\n所以今天也要針對這個議題要請教院長研討一下我國新住民現在已經差不多要超過60萬人了加上我們的新二代可能要破百萬人在臺灣所以省市新住民在社會上是很重要的一個一份子\n\n50\n00:19:58,112 --> 00:20:25,817\n所以我們在帶來的臺灣就不只是經濟文化教育還有各方面的創新發展也在社區也有很多關於這樣子的一個協助所以我們想說必要保障新住民在在我國的法律的地位所以也正是在生活上面臨一些困境來制定新住民基本法科不容緩\n\n51\n00:20:27,237 --> 00:20:55,172\n在本會期四月底的時候我們內政委員也有排了新住民基本法但是在審法案的時候因為沒有願版所以還有就是召委最後決定說我們要請內政部在就是我們各個委員提的版本希望在520之後來去有我們的願版\n\n52\n00:20:55,632 --> 00:20:55,832\n﹚麥玉珍﹚麥玉珍\n\n53\n00:21:15,225 --> 00:21:17,107\n新住民是臺灣一股新心的力量,那我們對新住民的\n\n54\n00:21:33,366 --> 00:21:33,546\n臨時提案委員\n\n55\n00:21:52,481 --> 00:22:13,067\n謝謝麥委員對於新住民非常的關心那在4月多的時候在我們的內政委員會確實有討論有新住民基本法還有新住民的權益保障法當時就有要求5月20之後要有行政院的版本那我們現在內政部有草擬版本出來包括名稱或是包括我們未來很多照顧方案\n\n56\n00:22:13,587 --> 00:22:41,354\n不管是在教育醫療或是勞動的或者是其他的這個新住民的比較弱勢的輔助方面還有包括新住民的定義那現在呢會送到行政院所以呢我會個人會建議啊就是說在內政委會討論的時候呢是不是願意啊就這個行政程序上面讓行政院的版本送進來的時候呢我們一起來討論我想這樣子的方式呢會更周全可以照顧接近有60萬的新住民的朋友\n\n57\n00:22:43,166 --> 00:23:04,694\n謝謝部長,我們現在要談這個不是只有是當天我們4月份來去談新住民基本法,不是沒有時間給你,是因為這個要跟你報告一下了,因為在2016年我在去輔選蔡英文總統的時候,她也是說要照顧新住民。\n\n58\n00:23:05,674 --> 00:23:28,843\n所以呢,我們是行政院到現在說要給你時間,我不知道是給了多少年才夠了。所以呢,沒有一個統籌的新住民事務部,還有就是導致新住民落在就是不同的部會。上次你來拜訪我,我也是有跟你提到了。所以呢,目前我們的主要的新住民的事務就是\n\n59\n00:23:31,835 --> 00:23:33,196\n因為移民署他沒辦法跨部會來去統整。\n\n60\n00:23:59,472 --> 00:23:59,632\n跟委員報告。\n\n61\n00:24:18,005 --> 00:24:45,820\n在剛剛這些努力還在階段性進行當中我們從2015年就已經成立了新住民事務協調會報這個是由行政院長親自來擔任召集人上次記得跟委員在隨時的時候我跟你說過我們不會很久不開會我們會盡快的找一個適當的時間收集必須討論的議題和事項來就新住民所關心的事情我們來做一個\n\n62\n00:24:46,500 --> 00:24:46,660\n主席\n\n63\n00:25:15,782 --> 00:25:15,822\n﹚麥玉珍\n\n64\n00:25:38,360 --> 00:25:38,380\n民進黨．\n\n65\n00:25:57,333 --> 00:26:16,820\n你認為應該成立二級機構還有新住民委員會嗎?來統籌就是新住民的資源還有法律,還有真正才能提高這個部會跟各個部會去做調整,這樣才能讓我們的業務順利,也達到我們總統的政見。\n\n66\n00:26:21,816 --> 00:26:39,172\n現在中央政府的組織是受到法律有一個額數的限制的所以如果要突破這個必須去修訂中央機關的組織基準法在這個還沒有修訂完整之前跟委員報告就是我們會持續的一直強化剛剛跟委員報告的這個協調匯報\n\n67\n00:26:42,134 --> 00:26:53,699\n讓他能夠有實質的功能能夠產生一些對新住民朋友對實際上的一些幫忙所以這個部分我們會透過行政院裡面這個會報來加強他的功能\n\n68\n00:26:54,472 --> 00:27:15,305\n這個是照顧新住民,就是永遠讓你們照顧,是這樣的意思嗎?所以好,剛才院長我不想說用這個來去打臉你,但是呢,你們有說嗎?剛才你有說,滿了對不對?各個部會滿了,但是呢,上個星期你有跟委員,上個星期有委員提出\n\n69\n00:27:16,973 --> 00:27:19,936\n體育署是否應邀升格?\n\n70\n00:27:19,936 --> 00:27:27,983\n院長你的回覆,如果要讓體育及運動發展部成為更有權責的專責機構,當然會向單一部會的方向。\n\n71\n00:27:34,127 --> 00:27:48,031\n除此外還提到未來申請中央政府的機構組織基本基準法希望打破現有的規模有餘裕的空間如果按照院長這麼說機構總數的建制標準有彈性的調整的空間\n\n72\n00:27:53,634 --> 00:28:04,914\n在當未來的組織的改造是否有新住民委員會成立的空間呢?我們是要幫我們的總統實現政見,是你反對總統的政見嗎?\n\n73\n00:28:07,145 --> 00:28:35,481\n不會,這個程序是一樣的,如果要檢討中央機關組織基準法,透過這個程序增加任何部會,這個程序是一樣的,那它的功能應該要成立啊,因為呢,從我們蔡英文總統在我們民眾黨裡面也成立新住民委員會,所以成立這個新住民委員會我們服務的功能是什麼?\n\n74\n00:28:36,482 --> 00:28:41,600\n阿又後來呢又是把各國的姐妹當作你們的\n\n75\n00:28:42,881 --> 00:28:42,921\n﹚麥玉珍﹚\n\n76\n00:29:06,781 --> 00:29:23,596\n但是呢到現在你說的就是沒有所以我們希望的是說我們要實踐我們賴總統說的政見也把這個實際有效的發展就是要成立一個部會\n\n77\n00:29:24,296 --> 00:29:27,319\n三、6月11日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。：三、6月11日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。\n\n78\n00:29:42,012 --> 00:29:46,414\n所以你覺得有必要是把你們民進黨的部會現實在我們的行政院成為真正的讓大家可以發揮的部會嗎?\n\n79\n00:30:10,645 --> 00:30:22,973\n我們已經跟委員報告程序是相同的那要怎麼樣來處理要經過大家廣泛的共識合理的討論那我們一定會去徵詢各方的意見非常謝謝委員的提醒\n\n80\n00:30:23,992 --> 00:30:43,667\n希望我們這個是真正的去實踐還有關於我要請教一下因為很多人都去問我說你要來問我們的院長說我們的立法院是可以打人的嗎到哪裡都不可以打人\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n320\t1140\t麥玉珍委員質詢。再請卓院長備詢。\n35834\t52016\t麥委員好。 院長好,很開心又再見到你。 謝謝麥委員,非常的努力啊。 黑文走了一些地方,看到了很多國家在進步的發展的現場。 這個以後有相類似的場所,我們還是會邀請歡迎麥委員到現場來。\n54131\t79210\t好謝謝因為今天來到這邊除了院長還有其他的部會都是老朋友也是合作過也幫助過都升官了恭喜大家所以在今天的臺灣社會交通想要請教一下我們的院長不僅僅是一種從A點再移到B點這樣子的移動式\n80871\t107174\t他是經濟發展與社會公平的重要因素。當我們討論到交通政策時,我們常常聚焦於都市高速公路、廣見或者智慧交通的科技應用。但是呢,我們往往都忽略了偏鄉地區的交通建設。請問院長拉近城鄉差距是我們的目標嗎?\n108075\t122511\t當然是,我們追求是均衡台灣,把台灣每個地方都把它的各項的建設跟人民的生活都把它往上提升,讓台灣到每個地方都能感受到同樣的政策的照顧跟所有的制度。\n124734\t138666\t但是在我們臺中及苗栗海線的地區,因為我住臺中,所以接到很多民眾的反應,臺鐵海線的班次已經很少了,但是現在還要砍班。\n141288\t166203\t﹏﹏﹏\n166793\t173776\t此外,我們在統計前臺有62個臺鐵站還沒有無障礙電梯,而且這個問題已經反映了10年了。\n182588\t207144\t但是關於班次還有無障礙的措施的問題臺鐵每次都等待說雙軌化還有不符合的效益為由拒絕改善我也邀請來說跟我們說明也拒絕了所以請問院長你認為這樣的偏鄉及行動不便的居民這樣公平嗎?\n208069\t223343\t我希望台鐵的服務會越來越好那細節請部長來跟委員說明好委員跟您報告有關無障礙的部分那台鐵現在已經有大概98%的站都已經有這個無障礙的電梯\n223683\t252695\t對,但是現在有62個沒有,所以說這個部分要如何去改善。電梯是98.1了,那預計到年底可以到98.5,那現在可能需要努力的就是月台要跟那個車子能夠平接,就是說不用再能夠無障礙的平順的接,那這個目前241個站已經有132個站完成了,那後續還有60幾個站我們會持續的來推動,不用等到雙軌化。\n253715\t269556\t好,這樣太好了。還有我們的班次,班次也要增加。班次的話不會減班,目前年底海線還會再規劃增加兩班。那主要是因為海線有一個狀況就是有40幾%的路段都還是單軌。\n270737\t293297\t好,謝謝,希望我們就是要服務到要偏鄉的居民,很不方便。對,我們就靠高鐵沒有嘛,甚至我們靠台鐵,台鐵又拒絕的話,我們的民眾真的很可憐。所以海線雙軌化這個部分才能夠比較大幅的增加班次,那年底我們還會先增加兩班。\n293834\t309368\t好,所以我們就是認為啦,就是不管是客運也好,台鐵也好,政府的機制就是的政策,不應該就是考量就是這個效益,要考量的是我們的民眾的方便。\n309808\t334797\t所以要求就是可以的話去增搬這樣子的話大家不管是那邊的民眾還是說大家想要進去投資在那邊現在越來越好但是呢有很多公司很多地方但是搬資太少了導致很多人沒辦法進去消費所以大家這個是我們台中的民眾希望我們透過就是這一次我總詢詢\n336051\t353377\t院長是可以跟我們的交通部這邊增加一些班次還有一些交通的方便讓我們在海線這邊的居民方便也有更多的商業在這邊的話就方便這樣才繁華這個地方這樣\n354719\t374680\t是,謝謝委員提醒。謝謝委員,台鐵的同仁都非常的辛苦,也一直在提升所有的努力啊。我會請部長去督促台鐵的同仁跟所有的這個員工們一起再把委員剛剛所說的我們加速來檢驗有不足的地方、照顧不到的地方,還有班次如果能夠再合理的檢驗跟調整,這個都請部長來督促。\n377468\t382791\t接下來的話想要請教一下我們的院長,你覺得你現在滿意我們政府要推南向政策的成果嗎?\n401528\t423435\t南向政策從蔡前總統開始一開始很多人都寄予比較懷疑的眼光但是事實上看起來我們不管從經濟上從戰略上從外交上甚至從政治上我覺得這幾年走下來都讓台灣在南向政策的這個發展上面得到了相當的成果我覺得這個路我們必須還是繼續要勇敢的往前邁進\n424773\t452752\t好謝謝我們的院長但是呢因為現在因為少子化的問題大專院校學生越來越少所以為了就是南向政策各個產業缺工的問題越來越嚴重國發會去年有提到說外籍勞動力在2030年時候就要增加40萬人每年僑外生畢業生人數超過13000多人\n455053\t471273\t但留在臺灣就業的畢業生只有6000多人。請問院長認為問題在哪裡?還有說我們橋外生評點配額歷年來一直調整,調到今年2024還是\n474517\t481284\t只有提高到7000人目前按照政策以成效能不能在2030年\n485848\t514530\t答到這樣子的政策目標是否可以研議要取消評點制的上限還有另外我認為應該放寬外國人才延攬還有就是雇用法或者相關法律來擴大留用我們自己培育的僑生才能真正的達到就是我們的南向政策\n515010\t541770\t還有就是說我們的橋外生的個人工作席客。好,非常謝謝麥委員對於橋外生相關的事務這樣的深入的了解。我們從評點的制度以及到另外有一些研議修法的方向甚至到一些跨部會的會商的檢討等等。我們現在是不是請勞動部細節來跟委員報告一些數字跟現在進度。好。\n545132\t571330\t我想從國發會角度先說明一下跟委員報告一下我們原來其實對僑生的留下來的制度我們訂的是比較嚴謹那後來我們做了一個寬鬆的改善也就是說他現在有八個面向的評點那滿分是190分只要有70分就可以留下來所以我們在2016年的時候呢我們只有21%的僑生留下來那現在到2023年已經有48\n573311\t573471\t﹚麥玉珍\n599079\t599259\t﹚麥玉珍\n625438\t625658\t好,我們嗨!\n659077\t671730\t有關於我們橋外生的近年來留台的狀況使用評點制至今已經有超過五萬一千多人在通過評點制\n672811\t672911\t﹚麥玉珍\n687805\t687865\t臨時提案事項\n715874\t716094\t以上報告。\n734215\t760551\t好謝謝我們的委員長我們希望就是來這邊讀書是好不容易我們要培育人才要留住人才真正才能是達到我們的南向政策的目標好不容易來到臺灣但是找工作又困難又沒辦法留才我們就招攬我們就對其他的國家很對不起因為來到所以我們希望說我們的僑生\n761952\t762172\t五百萬\n782611\t794787\t只是500萬,對不對?但是按照現在的規定,企業要僱用僑生必須達到收支,就是台灣的台幣500萬,營業額新台幣1000萬以上,還有\n800315\t814086\t經出口實際總拔要美金100萬以上或者代理用金達到美金40萬以上的門檻。 在這樣子的缺工的世代相信這個很多老闆的困擾。\n814787\t844787\t﹏﹏\n844887\t873987\t因為我有去詢問也有公文去說希望這個部分要去改善或者是我們的機制要去修正但是呢我收到的回覆說現階段以維持雇主資本而營業而限制未達到門檻的企業只能按照個案來跨部會會商免除限制\n874667\t891630\t﹏﹏\n892884\t914444\t企業他們要請喬生他很想說政府有這個好意他想要請這個學生但是我們的門檻太高他們也請不到但是要你們又說你想要請你就要來跟我們三學生事實上如果院長你是這個企業你要去跟政府協商嗎\n915196\t931169\t﹏﹏\n931429\t948561\t這困難,兩邊都困難的,到最後就是一邊請不到人,另外一邊也找不到工作。 所以我們今天希望我們要找出問題,解決問題,協助企業跟僑生,變成一個最佳的橋樑。\n949875\t967251\t很同意麥委員所說現在全世界不僅在搶人力也在搶人才那台灣的產業現在發展的這麼快速當然需要更多的人力跟更多的人才所以喬艾森持續以來一直是提供台灣在人力人才上面一個我們相當感謝的一個區塊\n968012\t968292\t對門檻是不是可以\n996926\t1020486\t放寬一點讓更多的人有機會沒有企業他覺得在這邊請不到人全部都移到國外去我們台灣還是我們越南有一句話叫台灣有沒有應用人民富有國家興旺如果企業都往外移了我們政府的就沒有企業在這邊就沒有工作大家就苦哈哈的\n1022453\t1044668\t是的,委員這個聲音其實我在上個禮拜有聽到所以我們現在做幾個短期的問題跟長期的解決長期一定是我們要來考慮這個條件的放寬那短期的部分是本來他有一些個案的可以直接特別申請然後就個案可以去核准\n1045128\t1045148\t好,謝謝。\n1064140\t1084194\t委員補充一點就是有關於新的這些政策資訊今年以來我們有強化去各不同的院校進行校園的就業宣導會議說明會除此之外我們還在北中南東也辦了市場針對企業跟學校的這個座談會\n1085635\t1104264\t那麼廣泛的收集大家在聘顧橋外生的一些這個疑問或者是相關的訊息所以委員實教的部分我們一定會強化讓我們的企業以及學生跟學校都能夠收到最新的一些相關資訊然後我也會積極的來幫助我們的橋外生在臺灣就業的這個門檻\n1109086\t1109406\t所以我們台灣才有10...\n1127634\t1127754\t謝謝,謝謝發言委員。\n1154647\t1175739\t讓更多人真正的達到我們的南向政策的目的,因為這都是為你們南向政策執行的,是不是?所以呢接下來我想要請教一下,因為我們在我是新住民委員,立委,所以呢我也是關注我們新住民的相關的議題。\n1176639\t1197612\t所以今天也要針對這個議題要請教院長研討一下我國新住民現在已經差不多要超過60萬人了加上我們的新二代可能要破百萬人在臺灣所以省市新住民在社會上是很重要的一個一份子\n1198112\t1225817\t所以我們在帶來的臺灣就不只是經濟文化教育還有各方面的創新發展也在社區也有很多關於這樣子的一個協助所以我們想說必要保障新住民在在我國的法律的地位所以也正是在生活上面臨一些困境來制定新住民基本法科不容緩\n1227237\t1255172\t在本會期四月底的時候我們內政委員也有排了新住民基本法但是在審法案的時候因為沒有願版所以還有就是召委最後決定說我們要請內政部在就是我們各個委員提的版本希望在520之後來去有我們的願版\n1255632\t1255832\t﹚麥玉珍﹚麥玉珍\n1275225\t1277107\t新住民是臺灣一股新心的力量,那我們對新住民的\n1293366\t1293546\t臨時提案委員\n1312481\t1333067\t謝謝麥委員對於新住民非常的關心那在4月多的時候在我們的內政委員會確實有討論有新住民基本法還有新住民的權益保障法當時就有要求5月20之後要有行政院的版本那我們現在內政部有草擬版本出來包括名稱或是包括我們未來很多照顧方案\n1333587\t1361354\t不管是在教育醫療或是勞動的或者是其他的這個新住民的比較弱勢的輔助方面還有包括新住民的定義那現在呢會送到行政院所以呢我會個人會建議啊就是說在內政委會討論的時候呢是不是願意啊就這個行政程序上面讓行政院的版本送進來的時候呢我們一起來討論我想這樣子的方式呢會更周全可以照顧接近有60萬的新住民的朋友\n1363166\t1384694\t謝謝部長,我們現在要談這個不是只有是當天我們4月份來去談新住民基本法,不是沒有時間給你,是因為這個要跟你報告一下了,因為在2016年我在去輔選蔡英文總統的時候,她也是說要照顧新住民。\n1385674\t1408843\t所以呢,我們是行政院到現在說要給你時間,我不知道是給了多少年才夠了。所以呢,沒有一個統籌的新住民事務部,還有就是導致新住民落在就是不同的部會。上次你來拜訪我,我也是有跟你提到了。所以呢,目前我們的主要的新住民的事務就是\n1411835\t1413196\t因為移民署他沒辦法跨部會來去統整。\n1439472\t1439632\t跟委員報告。\n1458005\t1485820\t在剛剛這些努力還在階段性進行當中我們從2015年就已經成立了新住民事務協調會報這個是由行政院長親自來擔任召集人上次記得跟委員在隨時的時候我跟你說過我們不會很久不開會我們會盡快的找一個適當的時間收集必須討論的議題和事項來就新住民所關心的事情我們來做一個\n1486500\t1486660\t主席\n1515782\t1515822\t﹚麥玉珍\n1538360\t1538380\t民進黨．\n1557333\t1576820\t你認為應該成立二級機構還有新住民委員會嗎?來統籌就是新住民的資源還有法律,還有真正才能提高這個部會跟各個部會去做調整,這樣才能讓我們的業務順利,也達到我們總統的政見。\n1581816\t1599172\t現在中央政府的組織是受到法律有一個額數的限制的所以如果要突破這個必須去修訂中央機關的組織基準法在這個還沒有修訂完整之前跟委員報告就是我們會持續的一直強化剛剛跟委員報告的這個協調匯報\n1602134\t1613699\t讓他能夠有實質的功能能夠產生一些對新住民朋友對實際上的一些幫忙所以這個部分我們會透過行政院裡面這個會報來加強他的功能\n1614472\t1635305\t這個是照顧新住民,就是永遠讓你們照顧,是這樣的意思嗎?所以好,剛才院長我不想說用這個來去打臉你,但是呢,你們有說嗎?剛才你有說,滿了對不對?各個部會滿了,但是呢,上個星期你有跟委員,上個星期有委員提出\n1636973\t1639936\t體育署是否應邀升格?\n1639936\t1647983\t院長你的回覆,如果要讓體育及運動發展部成為更有權責的專責機構,當然會向單一部會的方向。\n1654127\t1668031\t除此外還提到未來申請中央政府的機構組織基本基準法希望打破現有的規模有餘裕的空間如果按照院長這麼說機構總數的建制標準有彈性的調整的空間\n1673634\t1684914\t在當未來的組織的改造是否有新住民委員會成立的空間呢?我們是要幫我們的總統實現政見,是你反對總統的政見嗎?\n1687145\t1715481\t不會,這個程序是一樣的,如果要檢討中央機關組織基準法,透過這個程序增加任何部會,這個程序是一樣的,那它的功能應該要成立啊,因為呢,從我們蔡英文總統在我們民眾黨裡面也成立新住民委員會,所以成立這個新住民委員會我們服務的功能是什麼?\n1716482\t1721600\t阿又後來呢又是把各國的姐妹當作你們的\n1722881\t1722921\t﹚麥玉珍﹚\n1746781\t1763596\t但是呢到現在你說的就是沒有所以我們希望的是說我們要實踐我們賴總統說的政見也把這個實際有效的發展就是要成立一個部會\n1764296\t1767319\t三、6月11日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。：三、6月11日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。\n1782012\t1786414\t所以你覺得有必要是把你們民進黨的部會現實在我們的行政院成為真正的讓大家可以發揮的部會嗎?\n1810645\t1822973\t我們已經跟委員報告程序是相同的那要怎麼樣來處理要經過大家廣泛的共識合理的討論那我們一定會去徵詢各方的意見非常謝謝委員的提醒\n1823992\t1843667\t希望我們這個是真正的去實踐還有關於我要請教一下因為很多人都去問我說你要來問我們的院長說我們的立法院是可以打人的嗎到哪裡都不可以打人\n","txt":"麥玉珍委員質詢。再請卓院長備詢。\n麥委員好。 院長好,很開心又再見到你。 謝謝麥委員,非常的努力啊。 黑文走了一些地方,看到了很多國家在進步的發展的現場。 這個以後有相類似的場所,我們還是會邀請歡迎麥委員到現場來。\n好謝謝因為今天來到這邊除了院長還有其他的部會都是老朋友也是合作過也幫助過都升官了恭喜大家所以在今天的臺灣社會交通想要請教一下我們的院長不僅僅是一種從A點再移到B點這樣子的移動式\n他是經濟發展與社會公平的重要因素。當我們討論到交通政策時,我們常常聚焦於都市高速公路、廣見或者智慧交通的科技應用。但是呢,我們往往都忽略了偏鄉地區的交通建設。請問院長拉近城鄉差距是我們的目標嗎?\n當然是,我們追求是均衡台灣,把台灣每個地方都把它的各項的建設跟人民的生活都把它往上提升,讓台灣到每個地方都能感受到同樣的政策的照顧跟所有的制度。\n但是在我們臺中及苗栗海線的地區,因為我住臺中,所以接到很多民眾的反應,臺鐵海線的班次已經很少了,但是現在還要砍班。\n﹏﹏﹏\n此外,我們在統計前臺有62個臺鐵站還沒有無障礙電梯,而且這個問題已經反映了10年了。\n但是關於班次還有無障礙的措施的問題臺鐵每次都等待說雙軌化還有不符合的效益為由拒絕改善我也邀請來說跟我們說明也拒絕了所以請問院長你認為這樣的偏鄉及行動不便的居民這樣公平嗎?\n我希望台鐵的服務會越來越好那細節請部長來跟委員說明好委員跟您報告有關無障礙的部分那台鐵現在已經有大概98%的站都已經有這個無障礙的電梯\n對,但是現在有62個沒有,所以說這個部分要如何去改善。電梯是98.1了,那預計到年底可以到98.5,那現在可能需要努力的就是月台要跟那個車子能夠平接,就是說不用再能夠無障礙的平順的接,那這個目前241個站已經有132個站完成了,那後續還有60幾個站我們會持續的來推動,不用等到雙軌化。\n好,這樣太好了。還有我們的班次,班次也要增加。班次的話不會減班,目前年底海線還會再規劃增加兩班。那主要是因為海線有一個狀況就是有40幾%的路段都還是單軌。\n好,謝謝,希望我們就是要服務到要偏鄉的居民,很不方便。對,我們就靠高鐵沒有嘛,甚至我們靠台鐵,台鐵又拒絕的話,我們的民眾真的很可憐。所以海線雙軌化這個部分才能夠比較大幅的增加班次,那年底我們還會先增加兩班。\n好,所以我們就是認為啦,就是不管是客運也好,台鐵也好,政府的機制就是的政策,不應該就是考量就是這個效益,要考量的是我們的民眾的方便。\n所以要求就是可以的話去增搬這樣子的話大家不管是那邊的民眾還是說大家想要進去投資在那邊現在越來越好但是呢有很多公司很多地方但是搬資太少了導致很多人沒辦法進去消費所以大家這個是我們台中的民眾希望我們透過就是這一次我總詢詢\n院長是可以跟我們的交通部這邊增加一些班次還有一些交通的方便讓我們在海線這邊的居民方便也有更多的商業在這邊的話就方便這樣才繁華這個地方這樣\n是,謝謝委員提醒。謝謝委員,台鐵的同仁都非常的辛苦,也一直在提升所有的努力啊。我會請部長去督促台鐵的同仁跟所有的這個員工們一起再把委員剛剛所說的我們加速來檢驗有不足的地方、照顧不到的地方,還有班次如果能夠再合理的檢驗跟調整,這個都請部長來督促。\n接下來的話想要請教一下我們的院長,你覺得你現在滿意我們政府要推南向政策的成果嗎?\n南向政策從蔡前總統開始一開始很多人都寄予比較懷疑的眼光但是事實上看起來我們不管從經濟上從戰略上從外交上甚至從政治上我覺得這幾年走下來都讓台灣在南向政策的這個發展上面得到了相當的成果我覺得這個路我們必須還是繼續要勇敢的往前邁進\n好謝謝我們的院長但是呢因為現在因為少子化的問題大專院校學生越來越少所以為了就是南向政策各個產業缺工的問題越來越嚴重國發會去年有提到說外籍勞動力在2030年時候就要增加40萬人每年僑外生畢業生人數超過13000多人\n但留在臺灣就業的畢業生只有6000多人。請問院長認為問題在哪裡?還有說我們橋外生評點配額歷年來一直調整,調到今年2024還是\n只有提高到7000人目前按照政策以成效能不能在2030年\n答到這樣子的政策目標是否可以研議要取消評點制的上限還有另外我認為應該放寬外國人才延攬還有就是雇用法或者相關法律來擴大留用我們自己培育的僑生才能真正的達到就是我們的南向政策\n還有就是說我們的橋外生的個人工作席客。好,非常謝謝麥委員對於橋外生相關的事務這樣的深入的了解。我們從評點的制度以及到另外有一些研議修法的方向甚至到一些跨部會的會商的檢討等等。我們現在是不是請勞動部細節來跟委員報告一些數字跟現在進度。好。\n我想從國發會角度先說明一下跟委員報告一下我們原來其實對僑生的留下來的制度我們訂的是比較嚴謹那後來我們做了一個寬鬆的改善也就是說他現在有八個面向的評點那滿分是190分只要有70分就可以留下來所以我們在2016年的時候呢我們只有21%的僑生留下來那現在到2023年已經有48\n﹚麥玉珍\n﹚麥玉珍\n好,我們嗨!\n有關於我們橋外生的近年來留台的狀況使用評點制至今已經有超過五萬一千多人在通過評點制\n﹚麥玉珍\n臨時提案事項\n以上報告。\n好謝謝我們的委員長我們希望就是來這邊讀書是好不容易我們要培育人才要留住人才真正才能是達到我們的南向政策的目標好不容易來到臺灣但是找工作又困難又沒辦法留才我們就招攬我們就對其他的國家很對不起因為來到所以我們希望說我們的僑生\n五百萬\n只是500萬,對不對?但是按照現在的規定,企業要僱用僑生必須達到收支,就是台灣的台幣500萬,營業額新台幣1000萬以上,還有\n經出口實際總拔要美金100萬以上或者代理用金達到美金40萬以上的門檻。 在這樣子的缺工的世代相信這個很多老闆的困擾。\n﹏﹏\n因為我有去詢問也有公文去說希望這個部分要去改善或者是我們的機制要去修正但是呢我收到的回覆說現階段以維持雇主資本而營業而限制未達到門檻的企業只能按照個案來跨部會會商免除限制\n﹏﹏\n企業他們要請喬生他很想說政府有這個好意他想要請這個學生但是我們的門檻太高他們也請不到但是要你們又說你想要請你就要來跟我們三學生事實上如果院長你是這個企業你要去跟政府協商嗎\n﹏﹏\n這困難,兩邊都困難的,到最後就是一邊請不到人,另外一邊也找不到工作。 所以我們今天希望我們要找出問題,解決問題,協助企業跟僑生,變成一個最佳的橋樑。\n很同意麥委員所說現在全世界不僅在搶人力也在搶人才那台灣的產業現在發展的這麼快速當然需要更多的人力跟更多的人才所以喬艾森持續以來一直是提供台灣在人力人才上面一個我們相當感謝的一個區塊\n對門檻是不是可以\n放寬一點讓更多的人有機會沒有企業他覺得在這邊請不到人全部都移到國外去我們台灣還是我們越南有一句話叫台灣有沒有應用人民富有國家興旺如果企業都往外移了我們政府的就沒有企業在這邊就沒有工作大家就苦哈哈的\n是的,委員這個聲音其實我在上個禮拜有聽到所以我們現在做幾個短期的問題跟長期的解決長期一定是我們要來考慮這個條件的放寬那短期的部分是本來他有一些個案的可以直接特別申請然後就個案可以去核准\n好,謝謝。\n委員補充一點就是有關於新的這些政策資訊今年以來我們有強化去各不同的院校進行校園的就業宣導會議說明會除此之外我們還在北中南東也辦了市場針對企業跟學校的這個座談會\n那麼廣泛的收集大家在聘顧橋外生的一些這個疑問或者是相關的訊息所以委員實教的部分我們一定會強化讓我們的企業以及學生跟學校都能夠收到最新的一些相關資訊然後我也會積極的來幫助我們的橋外生在臺灣就業的這個門檻\n所以我們台灣才有10...\n謝謝,謝謝發言委員。\n讓更多人真正的達到我們的南向政策的目的,因為這都是為你們南向政策執行的,是不是?所以呢接下來我想要請教一下,因為我們在我是新住民委員,立委,所以呢我也是關注我們新住民的相關的議題。\n所以今天也要針對這個議題要請教院長研討一下我國新住民現在已經差不多要超過60萬人了加上我們的新二代可能要破百萬人在臺灣所以省市新住民在社會上是很重要的一個一份子\n所以我們在帶來的臺灣就不只是經濟文化教育還有各方面的創新發展也在社區也有很多關於這樣子的一個協助所以我們想說必要保障新住民在在我國的法律的地位所以也正是在生活上面臨一些困境來制定新住民基本法科不容緩\n在本會期四月底的時候我們內政委員也有排了新住民基本法但是在審法案的時候因為沒有願版所以還有就是召委最後決定說我們要請內政部在就是我們各個委員提的版本希望在520之後來去有我們的願版\n﹚麥玉珍﹚麥玉珍\n新住民是臺灣一股新心的力量,那我們對新住民的\n臨時提案委員\n謝謝麥委員對於新住民非常的關心那在4月多的時候在我們的內政委員會確實有討論有新住民基本法還有新住民的權益保障法當時就有要求5月20之後要有行政院的版本那我們現在內政部有草擬版本出來包括名稱或是包括我們未來很多照顧方案\n不管是在教育醫療或是勞動的或者是其他的這個新住民的比較弱勢的輔助方面還有包括新住民的定義那現在呢會送到行政院所以呢我會個人會建議啊就是說在內政委會討論的時候呢是不是願意啊就這個行政程序上面讓行政院的版本送進來的時候呢我們一起來討論我想這樣子的方式呢會更周全可以照顧接近有60萬的新住民的朋友\n謝謝部長,我們現在要談這個不是只有是當天我們4月份來去談新住民基本法,不是沒有時間給你,是因為這個要跟你報告一下了,因為在2016年我在去輔選蔡英文總統的時候,她也是說要照顧新住民。\n所以呢,我們是行政院到現在說要給你時間,我不知道是給了多少年才夠了。所以呢,沒有一個統籌的新住民事務部,還有就是導致新住民落在就是不同的部會。上次你來拜訪我,我也是有跟你提到了。所以呢,目前我們的主要的新住民的事務就是\n因為移民署他沒辦法跨部會來去統整。\n跟委員報告。\n在剛剛這些努力還在階段性進行當中我們從2015年就已經成立了新住民事務協調會報這個是由行政院長親自來擔任召集人上次記得跟委員在隨時的時候我跟你說過我們不會很久不開會我們會盡快的找一個適當的時間收集必須討論的議題和事項來就新住民所關心的事情我們來做一個\n主席\n﹚麥玉珍\n民進黨．\n你認為應該成立二級機構還有新住民委員會嗎?來統籌就是新住民的資源還有法律,還有真正才能提高這個部會跟各個部會去做調整,這樣才能讓我們的業務順利,也達到我們總統的政見。\n現在中央政府的組織是受到法律有一個額數的限制的所以如果要突破這個必須去修訂中央機關的組織基準法在這個還沒有修訂完整之前跟委員報告就是我們會持續的一直強化剛剛跟委員報告的這個協調匯報\n讓他能夠有實質的功能能夠產生一些對新住民朋友對實際上的一些幫忙所以這個部分我們會透過行政院裡面這個會報來加強他的功能\n這個是照顧新住民,就是永遠讓你們照顧,是這樣的意思嗎?所以好,剛才院長我不想說用這個來去打臉你,但是呢,你們有說嗎?剛才你有說,滿了對不對?各個部會滿了,但是呢,上個星期你有跟委員,上個星期有委員提出\n體育署是否應邀升格?\n院長你的回覆,如果要讓體育及運動發展部成為更有權責的專責機構,當然會向單一部會的方向。\n除此外還提到未來申請中央政府的機構組織基本基準法希望打破現有的規模有餘裕的空間如果按照院長這麼說機構總數的建制標準有彈性的調整的空間\n在當未來的組織的改造是否有新住民委員會成立的空間呢?我們是要幫我們的總統實現政見,是你反對總統的政見嗎?\n不會,這個程序是一樣的,如果要檢討中央機關組織基準法,透過這個程序增加任何部會,這個程序是一樣的,那它的功能應該要成立啊,因為呢,從我們蔡英文總統在我們民眾黨裡面也成立新住民委員會,所以成立這個新住民委員會我們服務的功能是什麼?\n阿又後來呢又是把各國的姐妹當作你們的\n﹚麥玉珍﹚\n但是呢到現在你說的就是沒有所以我們希望的是說我們要實踐我們賴總統說的政見也把這個實際有效的發展就是要成立一個部會\n三、6月11日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。：三、6月11日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。\n所以你覺得有必要是把你們民進黨的部會現實在我們的行政院成為真正的讓大家可以發揮的部會嗎?\n我們已經跟委員報告程序是相同的那要怎麼樣來處理要經過大家廣泛的共識合理的討論那我們一定會去徵詢各方的意見非常謝謝委員的提醒\n希望我們這個是真正的去實踐還有關於我要請教一下因為很多人都去問我說你要來問我們的院長說我們的立法院是可以打人的嗎到哪裡都不可以打人\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.320 --> 00:01.140\n麥玉珍委員質詢。再請卓院長備詢。\n\n00:35.834 --> 00:52.016\n麥委員好。院長好,很開心又再見到你。謝謝麥委員,非常的努力啊。黑文走了一些地方,看到了很多國家在進步的發展的現場。這個以後有相類似的場所,我們還是會邀請歡迎麥委員到現場來。\n\n00:54.131 --> 01:19.210\n好謝謝因為今天來到這邊除了院長還有其他的部會都是老朋友也是合作過也幫助過都升官了恭喜大家所以在今天的臺灣社會交通想要請教一下我們的院長不僅僅是一種從A點再移到B點這樣子的移動式\n\n01:20.871 --> 01:47.174\n他是經濟發展與社會公平的重要因素。當我們討論到交通政策時,我們常常聚焦於都市高速公路、廣見或者智慧交通的科技應用。但是呢,我們往往都忽略了偏鄉地區的交通建設。請問院長拉近城鄉差距是我們的目標嗎?\n\n01:48.075 --> 02:02.511\n當然是,我們追求是均衡台灣,把台灣每個地方都把它的各項的建設跟人民的生活都把它往上提升,讓台灣到每個地方都能感受到同樣的政策的照顧跟所有的制度。\n\n02:04.734 --> 02:18.666\n但是在我們臺中及苗栗海線的地區,因為我住臺中,所以接到很多民眾的反應,臺鐵海線的班次已經很少了,但是現在還要砍班。\n\n02:46.793 --> 02:53.776\n此外,我們在統計前臺有62個臺鐵站還沒有無障礙電梯,而且這個問題已經反映了10年了。\n\n03:02.588 --> 03:27.144\n但是關於班次還有無障礙的措施的問題臺鐵每次都等待說雙軌化還有不符合的效益為由拒絕改善我也邀請來說跟我們說明也拒絕了所以請問院長你認為這樣的偏鄉及行動不便的居民這樣公平嗎?\n\n03:28.069 --> 03:43.343\n我希望台鐵的服務會越來越好那細節請部長來跟委員說明好委員跟您報告有關無障礙的部分那台鐵現在已經有大概98%的站都已經有這個無障礙的電梯\n\n03:43.683 --> 04:12.695\n對,但是現在有62個沒有,所以說這個部分要如何去改善。電梯是98.1了,那預計到年底可以到98.5,那現在可能需要努力的就是月台要跟那個車子能夠平接,就是說不用再能夠無障礙的平順的接,那這個目前241個站已經有132個站完成了,那後續還有60幾個站我們會持續的來推動,不用等到雙軌化。\n\n04:13.715 --> 04:29.556\n好,這樣太好了。還有我們的班次,班次也要增加。班次的話不會減班,目前年底海線還會再規劃增加兩班。那主要是因為海線有一個狀況就是有40幾%的路段都還是單軌。\n\n04:30.737 --> 04:53.297\n好,謝謝,希望我們就是要服務到要偏鄉的居民,很不方便。對,我們就靠高鐵沒有嘛,甚至我們靠台鐵,台鐵又拒絕的話,我們的民眾真的很可憐。所以海線雙軌化這個部分才能夠比較大幅的增加班次,那年底我們還會先增加兩班。\n\n04:53.834 --> 05:09.368\n好,所以我們就是認為啦,就是不管是客運也好,台鐵也好,政府的機制就是的政策,不應該就是考量就是這個效益,要考量的是我們的民眾的方便。\n\n05:09.808 --> 05:34.797\n所以要求就是可以的話去增搬這樣子的話大家不管是那邊的民眾還是說大家想要進去投資在那邊現在越來越好但是呢有很多公司很多地方但是搬資太少了導致很多人沒辦法進去消費所以大家這個是我們台中的民眾希望我們透過就是這一次我總詢詢\n\n05:36.051 --> 05:53.377\n院長是可以跟我們的交通部這邊增加一些班次還有一些交通的方便讓我們在海線這邊的居民方便也有更多的商業在這邊的話就方便這樣才繁華這個地方這樣\n\n05:54.719 --> 06:14.680\n是,謝謝委員提醒。謝謝委員,台鐵的同仁都非常的辛苦,也一直在提升所有的努力啊。我會請部長去督促台鐵的同仁跟所有的這個員工們一起再把委員剛剛所說的我們加速來檢驗有不足的地方、照顧不到的地方,還有班次如果能夠再合理的檢驗跟調整,這個都請部長來督促。\n\n06:17.468 --> 06:22.791\n接下來的話想要請教一下我們的院長,你覺得你現在滿意我們政府要推南向政策的成果嗎?\n\n06:41.528 --> 07:03.435\n南向政策從蔡前總統開始一開始很多人都寄予比較懷疑的眼光但是事實上看起來我們不管從經濟上從戰略上從外交上甚至從政治上我覺得這幾年走下來都讓台灣在南向政策的這個發展上面得到了相當的成果我覺得這個路我們必須還是繼續要勇敢的往前邁進\n\n07:04.773 --> 07:32.752\n好謝謝我們的院長但是呢因為現在因為少子化的問題大專院校學生越來越少所以為了就是南向政策各個產業缺工的問題越來越嚴重國發會去年有提到說外籍勞動力在2030年時候就要增加40萬人每年僑外生畢業生人數超過13000多人\n\n07:35.053 --> 07:51.273\n但留在臺灣就業的畢業生只有6000多人。請問院長認為問題在哪裡?還有說我們橋外生評點配額歷年來一直調整,調到今年2024還是\n\n07:54.517 --> 08:01.284\n只有提高到7000人目前按照政策以成效能不能在2030年\n\n08:05.848 --> 08:34.530\n答到這樣子的政策目標是否可以研議要取消評點制的上限還有另外我認為應該放寬外國人才延攬還有就是雇用法或者相關法律來擴大留用我們自己培育的僑生才能真正的達到就是我們的南向政策\n\n08:35.010 --> 09:01.770\n還有就是說我們的橋外生的個人工作席客。好,非常謝謝麥委員對於橋外生相關的事務這樣的深入的了解。我們從評點的制度以及到另外有一些研議修法的方向甚至到一些跨部會的會商的檢討等等。我們現在是不是請勞動部細節來跟委員報告一些數字跟現在進度。好。\n\n09:05.132 --> 09:31.330\n我想從國發會角度先說明一下跟委員報告一下我們原來其實對僑生的留下來的制度我們訂的是比較嚴謹那後來我們做了一個寬鬆的改善也就是說他現在有八個面向的評點那滿分是190分只要有70分就可以留下來所以我們在2016年的時候呢我們只有21%的僑生留下來那現在到2023年已經有48\n\n09:33.311 --> 09:33.471\n﹚麥玉珍\n\n09:59.079 --> 09:59.259\n﹚麥玉珍\n\n10:25.438 --> 10:25.658\n好,我們嗨!\n\n10:59.077 --> 11:11.730\n有關於我們橋外生的近年來留台的狀況使用評點制至今已經有超過五萬一千多人在通過評點制\n\n11:12.811 --> 11:12.911\n﹚麥玉珍\n\n11:27.805 --> 11:27.865\n臨時提案事項\n\n11:55.874 --> 11:56.094\n以上報告。\n\n12:14.215 --> 12:40.551\n好謝謝我們的委員長我們希望就是來這邊讀書是好不容易我們要培育人才要留住人才真正才能是達到我們的南向政策的目標好不容易來到臺灣但是找工作又困難又沒辦法留才我們就招攬我們就對其他的國家很對不起因為來到所以我們希望說我們的僑生\n\n12:41.952 --> 12:42.172\n五百萬\n\n13:02.611 --> 13:14.787\n只是500萬,對不對?但是按照現在的規定,企業要僱用僑生必須達到收支,就是台灣的台幣500萬,營業額新台幣1000萬以上,還有\n\n13:20.315 --> 13:34.086\n經出口實際總拔要美金100萬以上或者代理用金達到美金40萬以上的門檻。在這樣子的缺工的世代相信這個很多老闆的困擾。\n\n14:04.887 --> 14:33.987\n因為我有去詢問也有公文去說希望這個部分要去改善或者是我們的機制要去修正但是呢我收到的回覆說現階段以維持雇主資本而營業而限制未達到門檻的企業只能按照個案來跨部會會商免除限制\n\n14:52.884 --> 15:14.444\n企業他們要請喬生他很想說政府有這個好意他想要請這個學生但是我們的門檻太高他們也請不到但是要你們又說你想要請你就要來跟我們三學生事實上如果院長你是這個企業你要去跟政府協商嗎\n\n15:31.429 --> 15:48.561\n這困難,兩邊都困難的,到最後就是一邊請不到人,另外一邊也找不到工作。所以我們今天希望我們要找出問題,解決問題,協助企業跟僑生,變成一個最佳的橋樑。\n\n15:49.875 --> 16:07.251\n很同意麥委員所說現在全世界不僅在搶人力也在搶人才那台灣的產業現在發展的這麼快速當然需要更多的人力跟更多的人才所以喬艾森持續以來一直是提供台灣在人力人才上面一個我們相當感謝的一個區塊\n\n16:08.012 --> 16:08.292\n對門檻是不是可以\n\n16:36.926 --> 17:00.486\n放寬一點讓更多的人有機會沒有企業他覺得在這邊請不到人全部都移到國外去我們台灣還是我們越南有一句話叫台灣有沒有應用人民富有國家興旺如果企業都往外移了我們政府的就沒有企業在這邊就沒有工作大家就苦哈哈的\n\n17:02.453 --> 17:24.668\n是的,委員這個聲音其實我在上個禮拜有聽到所以我們現在做幾個短期的問題跟長期的解決長期一定是我們要來考慮這個條件的放寬那短期的部分是本來他有一些個案的可以直接特別申請然後就個案可以去核准\n\n17:25.128 --> 17:25.148\n好,謝謝。\n\n17:44.140 --> 18:04.194\n委員補充一點就是有關於新的這些政策資訊今年以來我們有強化去各不同的院校進行校園的就業宣導會議說明會除此之外我們還在北中南東也辦了市場針對企業跟學校的這個座談會\n\n18:05.635 --> 18:24.264\n那麼廣泛的收集大家在聘顧橋外生的一些這個疑問或者是相關的訊息所以委員實教的部分我們一定會強化讓我們的企業以及學生跟學校都能夠收到最新的一些相關資訊然後我也會積極的來幫助我們的橋外生在臺灣就業的這個門檻\n\n18:29.086 --> 18:29.406\n所以我們台灣才有10...\n\n18:47.634 --> 18:47.754\n謝謝,謝謝發言委員。\n\n19:14.647 --> 19:35.739\n讓更多人真正的達到我們的南向政策的目的,因為這都是為你們南向政策執行的,是不是?所以呢接下來我想要請教一下,因為我們在我是新住民委員,立委,所以呢我也是關注我們新住民的相關的議題。\n\n19:36.639 --> 19:57.612\n所以今天也要針對這個議題要請教院長研討一下我國新住民現在已經差不多要超過60萬人了加上我們的新二代可能要破百萬人在臺灣所以省市新住民在社會上是很重要的一個一份子\n\n19:58.112 --> 20:25.817\n所以我們在帶來的臺灣就不只是經濟文化教育還有各方面的創新發展也在社區也有很多關於這樣子的一個協助所以我們想說必要保障新住民在在我國的法律的地位所以也正是在生活上面臨一些困境來制定新住民基本法科不容緩\n\n20:27.237 --> 20:55.172\n在本會期四月底的時候我們內政委員也有排了新住民基本法但是在審法案的時候因為沒有願版所以還有就是召委最後決定說我們要請內政部在就是我們各個委員提的版本希望在520之後來去有我們的願版\n\n20:55.632 --> 20:55.832\n﹚麥玉珍﹚麥玉珍\n\n21:15.225 --> 21:17.107\n新住民是臺灣一股新心的力量,那我們對新住民的\n\n21:33.366 --> 21:33.546\n臨時提案委員\n\n21:52.481 --> 22:13.067\n謝謝麥委員對於新住民非常的關心那在4月多的時候在我們的內政委員會確實有討論有新住民基本法還有新住民的權益保障法當時就有要求5月20之後要有行政院的版本那我們現在內政部有草擬版本出來包括名稱或是包括我們未來很多照顧方案\n\n22:13.587 --> 22:41.354\n不管是在教育醫療或是勞動的或者是其他的這個新住民的比較弱勢的輔助方面還有包括新住民的定義那現在呢會送到行政院所以呢我會個人會建議啊就是說在內政委會討論的時候呢是不是願意啊就這個行政程序上面讓行政院的版本送進來的時候呢我們一起來討論我想這樣子的方式呢會更周全可以照顧接近有60萬的新住民的朋友\n\n22:43.166 --> 23:04.694\n謝謝部長,我們現在要談這個不是只有是當天我們4月份來去談新住民基本法,不是沒有時間給你,是因為這個要跟你報告一下了,因為在2016年我在去輔選蔡英文總統的時候,她也是說要照顧新住民。\n\n23:05.674 --> 23:28.843\n所以呢,我們是行政院到現在說要給你時間,我不知道是給了多少年才夠了。所以呢,沒有一個統籌的新住民事務部,還有就是導致新住民落在就是不同的部會。上次你來拜訪我,我也是有跟你提到了。所以呢,目前我們的主要的新住民的事務就是\n\n23:31.835 --> 23:33.196\n因為移民署他沒辦法跨部會來去統整。\n\n23:59.472 --> 23:59.632\n跟委員報告。\n\n24:18.005 --> 24:45.820\n在剛剛這些努力還在階段性進行當中我們從2015年就已經成立了新住民事務協調會報這個是由行政院長親自來擔任召集人上次記得跟委員在隨時的時候我跟你說過我們不會很久不開會我們會盡快的找一個適當的時間收集必須討論的議題和事項來就新住民所關心的事情我們來做一個\n\n24:46.500 --> 24:46.660\n主席\n\n25:15.782 --> 25:15.822\n﹚麥玉珍\n\n25:38.360 --> 25:38.380\n民進黨．\n\n25:57.333 --> 26:16.820\n你認為應該成立二級機構還有新住民委員會嗎?來統籌就是新住民的資源還有法律,還有真正才能提高這個部會跟各個部會去做調整,這樣才能讓我們的業務順利,也達到我們總統的政見。\n\n26:21.816 --> 26:39.172\n現在中央政府的組織是受到法律有一個額數的限制的所以如果要突破這個必須去修訂中央機關的組織基準法在這個還沒有修訂完整之前跟委員報告就是我們會持續的一直強化剛剛跟委員報告的這個協調匯報\n\n26:42.134 --> 26:53.699\n讓他能夠有實質的功能能夠產生一些對新住民朋友對實際上的一些幫忙所以這個部分我們會透過行政院裡面這個會報來加強他的功能\n\n26:54.472 --> 27:15.305\n這個是照顧新住民,就是永遠讓你們照顧,是這樣的意思嗎?所以好,剛才院長我不想說用這個來去打臉你,但是呢,你們有說嗎?剛才你有說,滿了對不對?各個部會滿了,但是呢,上個星期你有跟委員,上個星期有委員提出\n\n27:16.973 --> 27:19.936\n體育署是否應邀升格?\n\n27:19.936 --> 27:27.983\n院長你的回覆,如果要讓體育及運動發展部成為更有權責的專責機構,當然會向單一部會的方向。\n\n27:34.127 --> 27:48.031\n除此外還提到未來申請中央政府的機構組織基本基準法希望打破現有的規模有餘裕的空間如果按照院長這麼說機構總數的建制標準有彈性的調整的空間\n\n27:53.634 --> 28:04.914\n在當未來的組織的改造是否有新住民委員會成立的空間呢?我們是要幫我們的總統實現政見,是你反對總統的政見嗎?\n\n28:07.145 --> 28:35.481\n不會,這個程序是一樣的,如果要檢討中央機關組織基準法,透過這個程序增加任何部會,這個程序是一樣的,那它的功能應該要成立啊,因為呢,從我們蔡英文總統在我們民眾黨裡面也成立新住民委員會,所以成立這個新住民委員會我們服務的功能是什麼?\n\n28:36.482 --> 28:41.600\n阿又後來呢又是把各國的姐妹當作你們的\n\n28:42.881 --> 28:42.921\n﹚麥玉珍﹚\n\n29:06.781 --> 29:23.596\n但是呢到現在你說的就是沒有所以我們希望的是說我們要實踐我們賴總統說的政見也把這個實際有效的發展就是要成立一個部會\n\n29:24.296 --> 29:27.319\n三、6月11日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。：三、6月11日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。\n\n29:42.012 --> 29:46.414\n所以你覺得有必要是把你們民進黨的部會現實在我們的行政院成為真正的讓大家可以發揮的部會嗎?\n\n30:10.645 --> 30:22.973\n我們已經跟委員報告程序是相同的那要怎麼樣來處理要經過大家廣泛的共識合理的討論那我們一定會去徵詢各方的意見非常謝謝委員的提醒\n\n30:23.992 --> 30:43.667\n希望我們這個是真正的去實踐還有關於我要請教一下因為很多人都去問我說你要來問我們的院長說我們的立法院是可以打人的嗎到哪裡都不可以打人\n\n","segments":[{"start":0.32,"end":1.14,"text":"麥玉珍委員質詢。再請卓院長備詢。"},{"start":35.834,"end":52.016,"text":"麥委員好。 院長好,很開心又再見到你。 謝謝麥委員,非常的努力啊。 黑文走了一些地方,看到了很多國家在進步的發展的現場。 這個以後有相類似的場所,我們還是會邀請歡迎麥委員到現場來。"},{"start":54.131,"end":79.21,"text":"好謝謝因為今天來到這邊除了院長還有其他的部會都是老朋友也是合作過也幫助過都升官了恭喜大家所以在今天的臺灣社會交通想要請教一下我們的院長不僅僅是一種從A點再移到B點這樣子的移動式"},{"start":80.871,"end":107.174,"text":"他是經濟發展與社會公平的重要因素。當我們討論到交通政策時,我們常常聚焦於都市高速公路、廣見或者智慧交通的科技應用。但是呢,我們往往都忽略了偏鄉地區的交通建設。請問院長拉近城鄉差距是我們的目標嗎?"},{"start":108.075,"end":122.511,"text":"當然是,我們追求是均衡台灣,把台灣每個地方都把它的各項的建設跟人民的生活都把它往上提升,讓台灣到每個地方都能感受到同樣的政策的照顧跟所有的制度。"},{"start":124.734,"end":138.666,"text":"但是在我們臺中及苗栗海線的地區,因為我住臺中,所以接到很多民眾的反應,臺鐵海線的班次已經很少了,但是現在還要砍班。"},{"start":141.288,"end":166.203,"text":"﹏﹏﹏"},{"start":166.793,"end":173.776,"text":"此外,我們在統計前臺有62個臺鐵站還沒有無障礙電梯,而且這個問題已經反映了10年了。"},{"start":182.588,"end":207.144,"text":"但是關於班次還有無障礙的措施的問題臺鐵每次都等待說雙軌化還有不符合的效益為由拒絕改善我也邀請來說跟我們說明也拒絕了所以請問院長你認為這樣的偏鄉及行動不便的居民這樣公平嗎?"},{"start":208.069,"end":223.343,"text":"我希望台鐵的服務會越來越好那細節請部長來跟委員說明好委員跟您報告有關無障礙的部分那台鐵現在已經有大概98%的站都已經有這個無障礙的電梯"},{"start":223.683,"end":252.695,"text":"對,但是現在有62個沒有,所以說這個部分要如何去改善。電梯是98.1了,那預計到年底可以到98.5,那現在可能需要努力的就是月台要跟那個車子能夠平接,就是說不用再能夠無障礙的平順的接,那這個目前241個站已經有132個站完成了,那後續還有60幾個站我們會持續的來推動,不用等到雙軌化。"},{"start":253.715,"end":269.556,"text":"好,這樣太好了。還有我們的班次,班次也要增加。班次的話不會減班,目前年底海線還會再規劃增加兩班。那主要是因為海線有一個狀況就是有40幾%的路段都還是單軌。"},{"start":270.737,"end":293.297,"text":"好,謝謝,希望我們就是要服務到要偏鄉的居民,很不方便。對,我們就靠高鐵沒有嘛,甚至我們靠台鐵,台鐵又拒絕的話,我們的民眾真的很可憐。所以海線雙軌化這個部分才能夠比較大幅的增加班次,那年底我們還會先增加兩班。"},{"start":293.834,"end":309.368,"text":"好,所以我們就是認為啦,就是不管是客運也好,台鐵也好,政府的機制就是的政策,不應該就是考量就是這個效益,要考量的是我們的民眾的方便。"},{"start":309.808,"end":334.797,"text":"所以要求就是可以的話去增搬這樣子的話大家不管是那邊的民眾還是說大家想要進去投資在那邊現在越來越好但是呢有很多公司很多地方但是搬資太少了導致很多人沒辦法進去消費所以大家這個是我們台中的民眾希望我們透過就是這一次我總詢詢"},{"start":336.051,"end":353.377,"text":"院長是可以跟我們的交通部這邊增加一些班次還有一些交通的方便讓我們在海線這邊的居民方便也有更多的商業在這邊的話就方便這樣才繁華這個地方這樣"},{"start":354.719,"end":374.68,"text":"是,謝謝委員提醒。謝謝委員,台鐵的同仁都非常的辛苦,也一直在提升所有的努力啊。我會請部長去督促台鐵的同仁跟所有的這個員工們一起再把委員剛剛所說的我們加速來檢驗有不足的地方、照顧不到的地方,還有班次如果能夠再合理的檢驗跟調整,這個都請部長來督促。"},{"start":377.468,"end":382.791,"text":"接下來的話想要請教一下我們的院長,你覺得你現在滿意我們政府要推南向政策的成果嗎?"},{"start":401.528,"end":423.435,"text":"南向政策從蔡前總統開始一開始很多人都寄予比較懷疑的眼光但是事實上看起來我們不管從經濟上從戰略上從外交上甚至從政治上我覺得這幾年走下來都讓台灣在南向政策的這個發展上面得到了相當的成果我覺得這個路我們必須還是繼續要勇敢的往前邁進"},{"start":424.773,"end":452.752,"text":"好謝謝我們的院長但是呢因為現在因為少子化的問題大專院校學生越來越少所以為了就是南向政策各個產業缺工的問題越來越嚴重國發會去年有提到說外籍勞動力在2030年時候就要增加40萬人每年僑外生畢業生人數超過13000多人"},{"start":455.053,"end":471.273,"text":"但留在臺灣就業的畢業生只有6000多人。請問院長認為問題在哪裡?還有說我們橋外生評點配額歷年來一直調整,調到今年2024還是"},{"start":474.517,"end":481.284,"text":"只有提高到7000人目前按照政策以成效能不能在2030年"},{"start":485.848,"end":514.53,"text":"答到這樣子的政策目標是否可以研議要取消評點制的上限還有另外我認為應該放寬外國人才延攬還有就是雇用法或者相關法律來擴大留用我們自己培育的僑生才能真正的達到就是我們的南向政策"},{"start":515.01,"end":541.77,"text":"還有就是說我們的橋外生的個人工作席客。好,非常謝謝麥委員對於橋外生相關的事務這樣的深入的了解。我們從評點的制度以及到另外有一些研議修法的方向甚至到一些跨部會的會商的檢討等等。我們現在是不是請勞動部細節來跟委員報告一些數字跟現在進度。好。"},{"start":545.132,"end":571.33,"text":"我想從國發會角度先說明一下跟委員報告一下我們原來其實對僑生的留下來的制度我們訂的是比較嚴謹那後來我們做了一個寬鬆的改善也就是說他現在有八個面向的評點那滿分是190分只要有70分就可以留下來所以我們在2016年的時候呢我們只有21%的僑生留下來那現在到2023年已經有48"},{"start":573.311,"end":573.471,"text":"﹚麥玉珍"},{"start":599.079,"end":599.259,"text":"﹚麥玉珍"},{"start":625.438,"end":625.658,"text":"好,我們嗨!"},{"start":659.077,"end":671.73,"text":"有關於我們橋外生的近年來留台的狀況使用評點制至今已經有超過五萬一千多人在通過評點制"},{"start":672.811,"end":672.911,"text":"﹚麥玉珍"},{"start":687.805,"end":687.865,"text":"臨時提案事項"},{"start":715.874,"end":716.094,"text":"以上報告。"},{"start":734.215,"end":760.551,"text":"好謝謝我們的委員長我們希望就是來這邊讀書是好不容易我們要培育人才要留住人才真正才能是達到我們的南向政策的目標好不容易來到臺灣但是找工作又困難又沒辦法留才我們就招攬我們就對其他的國家很對不起因為來到所以我們希望說我們的僑生"},{"start":761.952,"end":762.172,"text":"五百萬"},{"start":782.611,"end":794.787,"text":"只是500萬,對不對?但是按照現在的規定,企業要僱用僑生必須達到收支,就是台灣的台幣500萬,營業額新台幣1000萬以上,還有"},{"start":800.315,"end":814.086,"text":"經出口實際總拔要美金100萬以上或者代理用金達到美金40萬以上的門檻。 在這樣子的缺工的世代相信這個很多老闆的困擾。"},{"start":814.787,"end":844.787,"text":"﹏﹏"},{"start":844.887,"end":873.987,"text":"因為我有去詢問也有公文去說希望這個部分要去改善或者是我們的機制要去修正但是呢我收到的回覆說現階段以維持雇主資本而營業而限制未達到門檻的企業只能按照個案來跨部會會商免除限制"},{"start":874.667,"end":891.63,"text":"﹏﹏"},{"start":892.884,"end":914.444,"text":"企業他們要請喬生他很想說政府有這個好意他想要請這個學生但是我們的門檻太高他們也請不到但是要你們又說你想要請你就要來跟我們三學生事實上如果院長你是這個企業你要去跟政府協商嗎"},{"start":915.196,"end":931.169,"text":"﹏﹏"},{"start":931.429,"end":948.561,"text":"這困難,兩邊都困難的,到最後就是一邊請不到人,另外一邊也找不到工作。 所以我們今天希望我們要找出問題,解決問題,協助企業跟僑生,變成一個最佳的橋樑。"},{"start":949.875,"end":967.251,"text":"很同意麥委員所說現在全世界不僅在搶人力也在搶人才那台灣的產業現在發展的這麼快速當然需要更多的人力跟更多的人才所以喬艾森持續以來一直是提供台灣在人力人才上面一個我們相當感謝的一個區塊"},{"start":968.012,"end":968.292,"text":"對門檻是不是可以"},{"start":996.926,"end":1020.486,"text":"放寬一點讓更多的人有機會沒有企業他覺得在這邊請不到人全部都移到國外去我們台灣還是我們越南有一句話叫台灣有沒有應用人民富有國家興旺如果企業都往外移了我們政府的就沒有企業在這邊就沒有工作大家就苦哈哈的"},{"start":1022.453,"end":1044.668,"text":"是的,委員這個聲音其實我在上個禮拜有聽到所以我們現在做幾個短期的問題跟長期的解決長期一定是我們要來考慮這個條件的放寬那短期的部分是本來他有一些個案的可以直接特別申請然後就個案可以去核准"},{"start":1045.128,"end":1045.148,"text":"好,謝謝。"},{"start":1064.14,"end":1084.194,"text":"委員補充一點就是有關於新的這些政策資訊今年以來我們有強化去各不同的院校進行校園的就業宣導會議說明會除此之外我們還在北中南東也辦了市場針對企業跟學校的這個座談會"},{"start":1085.635,"end":1104.264,"text":"那麼廣泛的收集大家在聘顧橋外生的一些這個疑問或者是相關的訊息所以委員實教的部分我們一定會強化讓我們的企業以及學生跟學校都能夠收到最新的一些相關資訊然後我也會積極的來幫助我們的橋外生在臺灣就業的這個門檻"},{"start":1109.086,"end":1109.406,"text":"所以我們台灣才有10..."},{"start":1127.634,"end":1127.754,"text":"謝謝,謝謝發言委員。"},{"start":1154.647,"end":1175.739,"text":"讓更多人真正的達到我們的南向政策的目的,因為這都是為你們南向政策執行的,是不是?所以呢接下來我想要請教一下,因為我們在我是新住民委員,立委,所以呢我也是關注我們新住民的相關的議題。"},{"start":1176.639,"end":1197.612,"text":"所以今天也要針對這個議題要請教院長研討一下我國新住民現在已經差不多要超過60萬人了加上我們的新二代可能要破百萬人在臺灣所以省市新住民在社會上是很重要的一個一份子"},{"start":1198.112,"end":1225.817,"text":"所以我們在帶來的臺灣就不只是經濟文化教育還有各方面的創新發展也在社區也有很多關於這樣子的一個協助所以我們想說必要保障新住民在在我國的法律的地位所以也正是在生活上面臨一些困境來制定新住民基本法科不容緩"},{"start":1227.237,"end":1255.172,"text":"在本會期四月底的時候我們內政委員也有排了新住民基本法但是在審法案的時候因為沒有願版所以還有就是召委最後決定說我們要請內政部在就是我們各個委員提的版本希望在520之後來去有我們的願版"},{"start":1255.632,"end":1255.832,"text":"﹚麥玉珍﹚麥玉珍"},{"start":1275.225,"end":1277.107,"text":"新住民是臺灣一股新心的力量,那我們對新住民的"},{"start":1293.366,"end":1293.546,"text":"臨時提案委員"},{"start":1312.481,"end":1333.067,"text":"謝謝麥委員對於新住民非常的關心那在4月多的時候在我們的內政委員會確實有討論有新住民基本法還有新住民的權益保障法當時就有要求5月20之後要有行政院的版本那我們現在內政部有草擬版本出來包括名稱或是包括我們未來很多照顧方案"},{"start":1333.587,"end":1361.354,"text":"不管是在教育醫療或是勞動的或者是其他的這個新住民的比較弱勢的輔助方面還有包括新住民的定義那現在呢會送到行政院所以呢我會個人會建議啊就是說在內政委會討論的時候呢是不是願意啊就這個行政程序上面讓行政院的版本送進來的時候呢我們一起來討論我想這樣子的方式呢會更周全可以照顧接近有60萬的新住民的朋友"},{"start":1363.166,"end":1384.694,"text":"謝謝部長,我們現在要談這個不是只有是當天我們4月份來去談新住民基本法,不是沒有時間給你,是因為這個要跟你報告一下了,因為在2016年我在去輔選蔡英文總統的時候,她也是說要照顧新住民。"},{"start":1385.674,"end":1408.843,"text":"所以呢,我們是行政院到現在說要給你時間,我不知道是給了多少年才夠了。所以呢,沒有一個統籌的新住民事務部,還有就是導致新住民落在就是不同的部會。上次你來拜訪我,我也是有跟你提到了。所以呢,目前我們的主要的新住民的事務就是"},{"start":1411.835,"end":1413.196,"text":"因為移民署他沒辦法跨部會來去統整。"},{"start":1439.472,"end":1439.632,"text":"跟委員報告。"},{"start":1458.005,"end":1485.82,"text":"在剛剛這些努力還在階段性進行當中我們從2015年就已經成立了新住民事務協調會報這個是由行政院長親自來擔任召集人上次記得跟委員在隨時的時候我跟你說過我們不會很久不開會我們會盡快的找一個適當的時間收集必須討論的議題和事項來就新住民所關心的事情我們來做一個"},{"start":1486.5,"end":1486.66,"text":"主席"},{"start":1515.782,"end":1515.822,"text":"﹚麥玉珍"},{"start":1538.36,"end":1538.38,"text":"民進黨．"},{"start":1557.333,"end":1576.82,"text":"你認為應該成立二級機構還有新住民委員會嗎?來統籌就是新住民的資源還有法律,還有真正才能提高這個部會跟各個部會去做調整,這樣才能讓我們的業務順利,也達到我們總統的政見。"},{"start":1581.816,"end":1599.172,"text":"現在中央政府的組織是受到法律有一個額數的限制的所以如果要突破這個必須去修訂中央機關的組織基準法在這個還沒有修訂完整之前跟委員報告就是我們會持續的一直強化剛剛跟委員報告的這個協調匯報"},{"start":1602.134,"end":1613.699,"text":"讓他能夠有實質的功能能夠產生一些對新住民朋友對實際上的一些幫忙所以這個部分我們會透過行政院裡面這個會報來加強他的功能"},{"start":1614.472,"end":1635.305,"text":"這個是照顧新住民,就是永遠讓你們照顧,是這樣的意思嗎?所以好,剛才院長我不想說用這個來去打臉你,但是呢,你們有說嗎?剛才你有說,滿了對不對?各個部會滿了,但是呢,上個星期你有跟委員,上個星期有委員提出"},{"start":1636.973,"end":1639.936,"text":"體育署是否應邀升格?"},{"start":1639.936,"end":1647.983,"text":"院長你的回覆,如果要讓體育及運動發展部成為更有權責的專責機構,當然會向單一部會的方向。"},{"start":1654.127,"end":1668.031,"text":"除此外還提到未來申請中央政府的機構組織基本基準法希望打破現有的規模有餘裕的空間如果按照院長這麼說機構總數的建制標準有彈性的調整的空間"},{"start":1673.634,"end":1684.914,"text":"在當未來的組織的改造是否有新住民委員會成立的空間呢?我們是要幫我們的總統實現政見,是你反對總統的政見嗎?"},{"start":1687.145,"end":1715.481,"text":"不會,這個程序是一樣的,如果要檢討中央機關組織基準法,透過這個程序增加任何部會,這個程序是一樣的,那它的功能應該要成立啊,因為呢,從我們蔡英文總統在我們民眾黨裡面也成立新住民委員會,所以成立這個新住民委員會我們服務的功能是什麼?"},{"start":1716.482,"end":1721.6,"text":"阿又後來呢又是把各國的姐妹當作你們的"},{"start":1722.881,"end":1722.921,"text":"﹚麥玉珍﹚"},{"start":1746.781,"end":1763.596,"text":"但是呢到現在你說的就是沒有所以我們希望的是說我們要實踐我們賴總統說的政見也把這個實際有效的發展就是要成立一個部會"},{"start":1764.296,"end":1767.319,"text":"三、6月11日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。：三、6月11日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。"},{"start":1782.012,"end":1786.414,"text":"所以你覺得有必要是把你們民進黨的部會現實在我們的行政院成為真正的讓大家可以發揮的部會嗎?"},{"start":1810.645,"end":1822.973,"text":"我們已經跟委員報告程序是相同的那要怎麼樣來處理要經過大家廣泛的共識合理的討論那我們一定會去徵詢各方的意見非常謝謝委員的提醒"},{"start":1823.992,"end":1843.667,"text":"希望我們這個是真正的去實踐還有關於我要請教一下因為很多人都去問我說你要來問我們的院長說我們的立法院是可以打人的嗎到哪裡都不可以打人"}]}}}}