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港隧道已經延到138年……"],["賴委員瑞隆：對。"],["卓院長榮泰：有聽到跟其他一些相關的交通建設合併建築，我想第二過港隧道是不是要考慮跟捷運來共構等等問題……"],["賴委員瑞隆：這請院長跟部長審慎思考，好不好？因為第一條已經50年了，其實延壽都還是有風險，這個離島是因為高雄港開港才造成的，我們希望讓鄉親能夠……要不然每次要坐渡輪經過其實相當麻煩，我們還是希望院長跟部長能夠整體來思考。"],["卓院長榮泰：好，謝謝！"],["賴委員瑞隆：另外，還有一個就是前鎮漁港的部分，之前包括歷任院長都非常支持，然後前鎮漁港是全臺灣最大的遠洋漁港，一年為臺灣創造300億以上的經濟產值，終於在民進黨執政的時候，我們投了80億來做全面的改造，包括地下化、下水道等等全部都做了，但是有一個最後的一哩路，像我們如果去日本的豐洲、築地，一定是搭乘大眾運輸前去。現在捷運黃線已經開始要做了，我們也期盼未來再增加兩站，延伸到前鎮漁港，讓我們的海洋產業、漁業能夠有一個更好的發展，好不好？請院長跟部長是不是也說明一下？"],["李部長孟諺：跟委員報告，這個案子目前已經在做可行性規劃，預計今年6月期末報告會出來，我們希望朝支持跟推動的方向來前進。"],["賴委員瑞隆：好，謝謝。院長，最後一點時間，疫情後的復甦很快速，但是高雄機場航班航點的恢復期相當慢，我也希望院長跟部長能夠大力來督促，不要讓南北的落差越來越大，好不好？"],["李部長孟諺：航點在年底就會超過之前的數目。"],["賴委員瑞隆：好，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝賴瑞隆委員的質詢，謝謝卓院長的備詢。","接下來我們請登記第11號徐巧芯委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":23,"meet_id":"院會-11-1-17","speakers":["韓國瑜","江啟臣","鄭天財Sra 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\"zh\"}","srt":"1\n00:00:00,663 --> 00:00:13,537\n接下來我們請登記第10號賴瑞隆委員質詢。好,謝主席,請卓院長。麻煩再請卓院長備選。\n\n2\n00:00:20,748 --> 00:00:34,158\n院長,辛苦了齁。我想新的內閣上任,包括新的國會上任,其實人民都期待多一點點民生,多一點經濟,少一點政治。院長應該同意這樣的看法吧?當然,我們也是希望說\n\n3\n00:00:35,883 --> 00:00:57,615\n復國立民的沒有爭議的法案盡快政策跟盡快送到大院來能夠經過合理而且正常程序法定程序的審查讓全國的人民都能因為新的法案新的政策感受到這個政府為人民做更多更多的事政府上任之後期待的不管是國會或新的內閣都希望多一點點的經濟民生的議題多一點經濟民生的法案\n\n4\n00:01:00,057 --> 00:01:21,607\n少一些政治性的啦那但也很遺憾的這一陣子大家為了這個立法院職權行之法跟刑法問坦白講這個其實沒有那麼多的沒有那麼急迫性我不認為他有那麼強的急迫性但是他通過了之後其實確實產生了很大對台灣內部的撕裂包括很多衝突性甚至裡面很多是違憲\n\n5\n00:01:44,665 --> 00:01:47,508\n我特別要提的是其實針對於這個總統的部分但立法院得聽取總統的國情報告這個在徵秀條文第4條有規定\n\n6\n00:02:06,505 --> 00:02:21,282\n但是他也就是這樣但是他在行政院長來立法院備詢這也是一個權利跟義務然後就像我們今天在執行台上的那但是在執行刑事法第15條之4的增加修訂總統應該要\n\n7\n00:02:23,064 --> 00:02:25,385\n而且他把總統到大院來做國情報告變成一種義務\n\n8\n00:02:52,629 --> 00:03:08,125\n報告之後採取的答案的方式顯然在憲法裡面我們是找不到任何相關規定這個就是我們所擔心的如果不會不斷的擴權的狀況下其他會侵犯到我們憲法所訂定好的責任政治的一個規範同時讓\n\n9\n00:03:10,387 --> 00:03:33,795\n總統跟五院之間的憤記會整個混亂掉。立法院一拳獨打。所以剛剛有前面有委員提到他擔心像希特勒的狀況。我反而擔心的是如果國會不斷的擴權下去的話反倒會形成另外一個憲政上面跟民主上的一個大倒退。這個反倒是我們擔憂的。所以我覺得那個類比其實是完全是不適合的啦齁。如果我們看到現在的擔憂現今的社會要擔憂的話國際社會看到擔憂反倒是應該要去譴責習近平所領導的這個極權專制的一個\n\n10\n00:03:39,477 --> 00:03:40,318\n目前贊同委員的看法\n\n11\n00:03:55,289 --> 00:04:10,607\n我想齁這個不只是在這個裡面其實很多條文對於資源新法對於整個都是侵犯到人權的部分包括不確定的概念以後的人民都可能會調到立法院來要求你提供資料這個對於人民對外資對外商都產生相當大的\n\n12\n00:04:11,508 --> 00:04:11,688\n賴瑞隆\n\n13\n00:04:28,718 --> 00:04:31,179\n行政院身為一個憲政機關,依照憲法所定的程序提出救濟。\n\n14\n00:04:57,111 --> 00:05:17,622\n拜託委員同仁同仁先進們能夠支持復議案所求的無非就是再一次我們能夠去面對這個法案的內容重新審視也再經過民主的程序好好的討論同時也維護到憲政裡面的秩序不要有\n\n15\n00:05:19,095 --> 00:05:20,436\n請政院長該有負責任的表現。\n\n16\n00:05:44,207 --> 00:06:10,220\n那我們來看過去以來有13次行政院提出復議其中有7次成功有兩次沒有結果有5次為成功成功的比例還是高的所以我們也期待這一次的復議立法院能夠好好的再來審議過去發生了一些問題很多委員們也都發現了問題甚至有很多說那就等到事先大法官回來再來處理如果發現立法院定的法定的不好有違憲之處就盡快趕快來修嘛這是一個程序可走就盡快修\n\n17\n00:06:10,780 --> 00:06:12,482\n完全同意委員的看法所以我們在第一時間就\n\n18\n00:06:23,948 --> 00:06:50,441\n檢視跟比對所有的法條,再次確認它的內容,在第一時間就經過行政院院會來通過,現在已經陳請總統來合可。我們希望最短的時間﹖議員﹖總統合可的文還沒有到行政院,一定要總統合可文下來之後,我們才會﹖所以可能下個禮拜就會送進立法院來的。希望能夠儘快的時間,因為越快處理,復一萬如果能夠越快的成立之後,這個社會的紛爭會減少。\n\n19\n00:06:53,989 --> 00:07:09,221\n那當然也有可能最後進來的這個復議的結果立法院的多數如果照過去這樣如果沒有改變的話有可能是不接受那如果不接受的話我聽到昨天副國務卿總召說這個行政院長如果復議不通過的話應該要下來負責\n\n20\n00:07:11,803 --> 00:07:31,930\n憲政上有這樣的規定嗎?跟委員報告依照新修的這個憲法徵修條文第三條第二項第二款的規定他只有說行政院長接受炒掉了過去應該辭職的字眼所以我很遺憾我沒有辭職的選項但是委員有第三款的選項\n\n21\n00:07:33,130 --> 00:07:47,943\n我認為其實依照,所有都依照憲政來走啦齁,當然行政院長照你所提出來的復議,那如果立法院堅持要維持原意的話,那當然照法令來說行政院就只有接受,但是\n\n22\n00:07:48,624 --> 00:08:05,326\n後續上可以提出釋憲包括立法院黨團以外提出釋憲那重點是其實如果副總召真的有意見的話他不要忘記了在第三項部分有一個立法院可以提出不信案院長擔不擔心副總召來提出這個不信案\n\n23\n00:08:06,223 --> 00:08:19,361\n我既然我依據的就是同一個條文來提出復議那如果說大院也依照憲法的程序提出任何的憲法秩序所允許的那沒有什麼擔心我們就是面對憲法\n\n24\n00:08:20,900 --> 00:08:46,026\n人民是最主要的依歸民主政治責任政治這樣人民最後決定那這一段時間的所有的表現大家也看在眼裡如果說最後還是堅持副總召還是堅持要負起這個責任我認為最簡單的方法就是由副總召國民黨黨團來提出不信任案那由人民來做最後的決斷但是人民對這件事情認為是傅坤祺對還是卓榮泰對可以來做一個整體的審視\n\n25\n00:08:46,766 --> 00:08:47,807\n我跟賴委員對憲法的理解是一致的。\n\n26\n00:09:11,946 --> 00:09:33,995\n好,謝謝,院長一起努力啦,我們期待是國家更穩定更好,同時多一點民生,少一點政治啦,這樣國家才能穩健前進,不然這樣狀況如果持續發生,後面還有很多,很多法案,不管是花蓮的前根法案,不管是反滲透法的修法,國安法的修法,這個這樣下去台灣會沒完沒了,我認為這個對台灣長遠的發展是非常的不利的。\n\n27\n00:09:35,235 --> 00:09:57,622\n接下來我想還是回到一些議題回到高雄回答最近很熱包括超微MD的部分最近都在思考來到台灣來設研發中心那高雄我認為他有一個相當大的優勢就是他的電力是最充足的高雄現在有百分之他一年產生了500億度的電他有百分之40是往中往北送\n\n28\n00:09:58,462 --> 00:10:15,303\n而這個未來這個AI這些產業其實需要的電力是一個很重要的那我希望不要讓南部的鄉親們都只是在需要用電的時候不斷的付出承受空污的危害承受影響而人才不斷的北流我們希望行政院如果在你們能力範圍內應該多多鼓勵企業\n\n29\n00:10:17,606 --> 00:10:17,786\n院長怎麼看?\n\n30\n00:10:31,221 --> 00:10:53,875\n政府對於全國22縣市應該都是平等的看待希望都有很好的發展但是我們很清楚知道我們的能源的分布我們的產業的聚落我們能力的供應以及我們必須加強的很多的交通跟公共設施基礎設施建設所以在這個底下我們希望產業如果國際大廠能夠發揮他們這種專業的眼光去挑選一個\n\n31\n00:11:16,593 --> 00:11:16,733\n賴瑞隆\n\n32\n00:11:33,576 --> 00:11:54,793\n發展都很有信心,也很有專業,如果有任何的詢問我們會提供那個專業的資訊。謝謝院長,也請多多支持。那再來就是現在的AI相當夯,南北的部分有可能都會有一個AI生態園區的一個設置。其實北部其實聚落於自然形成,南部反倒是需要再更大力推動,那我看到了其實\n\n33\n00:11:55,673 --> 00:11:56,334\n請這院長回覆好不好?\n\n34\n00:12:24,104 --> 00:12:24,164\n希望呢?\n\n35\n00:12:39,682 --> 00:13:00,652\n南部這一塊好不好能夠有更多的這一塊特別是AI這一塊的一個生態系的部分的支持因為時間有限再來是也謝謝民進黨的執政在於小港的沿海六里過去有800隻煙囪包圍的地方我們終於花了從589億到了800億來做錢存從林全院長到賴清德院長到淳南院長都大力的支持\n\n36\n00:13:01,152 --> 00:13:28,243\n那現在是到了最後階段齁,他們期待是無負債的千村跟整個社會住宅的一些能夠給予放寬,讓一些比較弱勢需要照顧的人能夠被照顧。我也希望院長關心一下支持這樣的方案好嗎?好的,我們會去持續關心,有需要的話我們再做進一步的討論。另外當然有一件也是非常重要就是說,呃,迄今啦齁,過去是半島,但是因為高雄港開港的關係而形成的是一個離島,但是他沒有離島建設條例的一些優惠啦齁。\n\n37\n00:13:28,743 --> 00:13:57,202\n那因為第一過港隧道年限剩10年當我們做了延售但是第二過港隧道可行性評估今年剛出來那我也期盼未來行政院跟交通部能夠持續來支持讓旗津能有更安全回家的道路好嗎?請院長回覆好的,高雄港現有的過港隧道已經延到138年那有提到跟其他一些相關的交通建設的合併\n\n38\n00:13:58,069 --> 00:14:05,594\n這請院長跟部長來審慎思考好不好,因為他第一條已經50年了,其實延壽的話都還是有風險,這個離島是因為高雄港開港才造成的,那我們希望讓鄉親能夠,要不然每次都要坐渡輪經過其實相當麻煩,我們還是希望這塊院長跟部長能夠整體來思考。\n\n39\n00:14:23,327 --> 00:14:42,202\n另外還有一個也是前陣漁港部分之前讓包括歷任院長都非常支持,前陣漁港是全台灣最大的遠洋漁港,它會一年為台灣創造300億以上的一個經濟的產值。那這終於經過在民進黨執政的時候我們投了80億來做全面的改造,包括地下化、下水道等等全部來做了。\n\n40\n00:14:42,802 --> 00:15:00,593\n但是有一個是最後一理路就是我們若是日本的豐洲足地我們一定是搭乘大宗運輸去那現在解運黃線已經開始要做了那我們期盼未來再增加兩站延伸到前征港讓我們的海洋產業漁業能夠更好的一個發展好不好請院長跟部長是不是也說明一下\n\n41\n00:15:01,013 --> 00:15:26,896\n是,跟委員報告,這個案子目前已經在做可行性的規劃,那預計在今年的這個6月,他的期末報告會出來,那我們希望朝來支持跟推動的方向來。好,謝謝。院長最後一點時間,疫情後的復甦很快速,但是高雄這塊的機場航班航點的恢復期相當慢,我也希望院長跟部長能夠大力來督促好不好,不要讓南北的落差越來越大,好不好。\n\n42\n00:15:31,775 --> 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文對於資源新法對於整個都是侵犯到人權的部分包括不確定的概念以後的人民都可能會調到立法院來要求你提供資料這個對於人民對外資對外商都產生相當大的\n賴瑞隆\n行政院身為一個憲政機關,依照憲法所定的程序提出救濟。\n拜託委員同仁同仁先進們能夠支持復議案所求的無非就是再一次我們能夠去面對這個法案的內容重新審視也再經過民主的程序好好的討論同時也維護到憲政裡面的秩序不要有\n請政院長該有負責任的表現。\n那我們來看過去以來有13次行政院提出復議其中有7次成功有兩次沒有結果有5次為成功成功的比例還是高的所以我們也期待這一次的復議立法院能夠好好的再來審議過去發生了一些問題很多委員們也都發現了問題甚至有很多說那就等到事先大法官回來再來處理如果發現立法院定的法定的不好有違憲之處就盡快趕快來修嘛這是一個程序可走就盡快修\n完全同意委員的看法所以我們在第一時間就\n檢視跟比對所有的法條,再次確認它的內容,在第一時間就經過行政院院會來通過,現在已經陳請總統來合可。我們希望最短的時間﹖議員﹖總統合可的文還沒有到行政院,一定要總統合可文下來之後,我們才會﹖所以可能下個禮拜就會送進立法院來的。希望能夠儘快的時間,因為越快處理,復一萬如果能夠越快的成立之後,這個社會的紛爭會減少。\n那當然也有可能最後進來的這個復議的結果立法院的多數如果照過去這樣如果沒有改變的話有可能是不接受那如果不接受的話我聽到昨天副國務卿總召說這個行政院長如果復議不通過的話應該要下來負責\n憲政上有這樣的規定嗎?跟委員報告依照新修的這個憲法徵修條文第三條第二項第二款的規定他只有說行政院長接受炒掉了過去應該辭職的字眼所以我很遺憾我沒有辭職的選項但是委員有第三款的選項\n我認為其實依照,所有都依照憲政來走啦齁,當然行政院長照你所提出來的復議,那如果立法院堅持要維持原意的話,那當然照法令來說行政院就只有接受,但是\n後續上可以提出釋憲包括立法院黨團以外提出釋憲那重點是其實如果副總召真的有意見的話他不要忘記了在第三項部分有一個立法院可以提出不信案院長擔不擔心副總召來提出這個不信案\n我既然我依據的就是同一個條文來提出復議那如果說大院也依照憲法的程序提出任何的憲法秩序所允許的那沒有什麼擔心我們就是面對憲法\n人民是最主要的依歸民主政治責任政治這樣人民最後決定那這一段時間的所有的表現大家也看在眼裡如果說最後還是堅持副總召還是堅持要負起這個責任我認為最簡單的方法就是由副總召國民黨黨團來提出不信任案那由人民來做最後的決斷但是人民對這件事情認為是傅坤祺對還是卓榮泰對可以來做一個整體的審視\n我跟賴委員對憲法的理解是一致的。\n好,謝謝,院長一起努力啦,我們期待是國家更穩定更好,同時多一點民生,少一點政治啦,這樣國家才能穩健前進,不然這樣狀況如果持續發生,後面還有很多,很多法案,不管是花蓮的前根法案,不管是反滲透法的修法,國安法的修法,這個這樣下去台灣會沒完沒了,我認為這個對台灣長遠的發展是非常的不利的。\n接下來我想還是回到一些議題回到高雄回答最近很熱包括超微MD的部分最近都在思考來到台灣來設研發中心那高雄我認為他有一個相當大的優勢就是他的電力是最充足的高雄現在有百分之他一年產生了500億度的電他有百分之40是往中往北送\n而這個未來這個AI這些產業其實需要的電力是一個很重要的那我希望不要讓南部的鄉親們都只是在需要用電的時候不斷的付出承受空污的危害承受影響而人才不斷的北流我們希望行政院如果在你們能力範圍內應該多多鼓勵企業\n院長怎麼看?\n政府對於全國22縣市應該都是平等的看待希望都有很好的發展但是我們很清楚知道我們的能源的分布我們的產業的聚落我們能力的供應以及我們必須加強的很多的交通跟公共設施基礎設施建設所以在這個底下我們希望產業如果國際大廠能夠發揮他們這種專業的眼光去挑選一個\n﹚議員﹚\n賴瑞隆\n發展都很有信心,也很有專業,如果有任何的詢問我們會提供那個專業的資訊。謝謝院長,也請多多支持。那再來就是現在的AI相當夯,南北的部分有可能都會有一個AI生態園區的一個設置。其實北部其實聚落於自然形成,南部反倒是需要再更大力推動,那我看到了其實\n請這院長回覆好不好?\n希望呢?\n南部這一塊好不好能夠有更多的這一塊特別是AI這一塊的一個生態系的部分的支持因為時間有限再來是也謝謝民進黨的執政在於小港的沿海六里過去有800隻煙囪包圍的地方我們終於花了從589億到了800億來做錢存從林全院長到賴清德院長到淳南院長都大力的支持\n那現在是到了最後階段齁,他們期待是無負債的千村跟整個社會住宅的一些能夠給予放寬,讓一些比較弱勢需要照顧的人能夠被照顧。我也希望院長關心一下支持這樣的方案好嗎?好的,我們會去持續關心,有需要的話我們再做進一步的討論。另外當然有一件也是非常重要就是說,呃,迄今啦齁,過去是半島,但是因為高雄港開港的關係而形成的是一個離島,但是他沒有離島建設條例的一些優惠啦齁。\n那因為第一過港隧道年限剩10年當我們做了延售但是第二過港隧道可行性評估今年剛出來那我也期盼未來行政院跟交通部能夠持續來支持讓旗津能有更安全回家的道路好嗎?請院長回覆好的,高雄港現有的過港隧道已經延到138年那有提到跟其他一些相關的交通建設的合併\n這請院長跟部長來審慎思考好不好,因為他第一條已經50年了,其實延壽的話都還是有風險,這個離島是因為高雄港開港才造成的,那我們希望讓鄉親能夠,要不然每次都要坐渡輪經過其實相當麻煩,我們還是希望這塊院長跟部長能夠整體來思考。\n另外還有一個也是前陣漁港部分之前讓包括歷任院長都非常支持,前陣漁港是全台灣最大的遠洋漁港,它會一年為台灣創造300億以上的一個經濟的產值。那這終於經過在民進黨執政的時候我們投了80億來做全面的改造,包括地下化、下水道等等全部來做了。\n但是有一個是最後一理路就是我們若是日本的豐洲足地我們一定是搭乘大宗運輸去那現在解運黃線已經開始要做了那我們期盼未來再增加兩站延伸到前征港讓我們的海洋產業漁業能夠更好的一個發展好不好請院長跟部長是不是也說明一下\n是,跟委員報告,這個案子目前已經在做可行性的規劃,那預計在今年的這個6月,他的期末報告會出來,那我們希望朝來支持跟推動的方向來。好,謝謝。院長最後一點時間,疫情後的復甦很快速,但是高雄這塊的機場航班航點的恢復期相當慢,我也希望院長跟部長能夠大力來督促好不好,不要讓南北的落差越來越大,好不好。\n好,謝謝。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.663 --> 00:13.537\n接下來我們請登記第10號賴瑞隆委員質詢。好,謝主席,請卓院長。麻煩再請卓院長備選。\n\n00:20.748 --> 00:34.158\n院長,辛苦了齁。我想新的內閣上任,包括新的國會上任,其實人民都期待多一點點民生,多一點經濟,少一點政治。院長應該同意這樣的看法吧?當然,我們也是希望說\n\n00:35.883 --> 00:57.615\n復國立民的沒有爭議的法案盡快政策跟盡快送到大院來能夠經過合理而且正常程序法定程序的審查讓全國的人民都能因為新的法案新的政策感受到這個政府為人民做更多更多的事政府上任之後期待的不管是國會或新的內閣都希望多一點點的經濟民生的議題多一點經濟民生的法案\n\n01:00.057 --> 01:21.607\n少一些政治性的啦那但也很遺憾的這一陣子大家為了這個立法院職權行之法跟刑法問坦白講這個其實沒有那麼多的沒有那麼急迫性我不認為他有那麼強的急迫性但是他通過了之後其實確實產生了很大對台灣內部的撕裂包括很多衝突性甚至裡面很多是違憲\n\n01:44.665 --> 01:47.508\n我特別要提的是其實針對於這個總統的部分但立法院得聽取總統的國情報告這個在徵秀條文第4條有規定\n\n02:06.505 --> 02:21.282\n但是他也就是這樣但是他在行政院長來立法院備詢這也是一個權利跟義務然後就像我們今天在執行台上的那但是在執行刑事法第15條之4的增加修訂總統應該要\n\n02:23.064 --> 02:25.385\n而且他把總統到大院來做國情報告變成一種義務\n\n02:52.629 --> 03:08.125\n報告之後採取的答案的方式顯然在憲法裡面我們是找不到任何相關規定這個就是我們所擔心的如果不會不斷的擴權的狀況下其他會侵犯到我們憲法所訂定好的責任政治的一個規範同時讓\n\n03:10.387 --> 03:33.795\n總統跟五院之間的憤記會整個混亂掉。立法院一拳獨打。所以剛剛有前面有委員提到他擔心像希特勒的狀況。我反而擔心的是如果國會不斷的擴權下去的話反倒會形成另外一個憲政上面跟民主上的一個大倒退。這個反倒是我們擔憂的。所以我覺得那個類比其實是完全是不適合的啦齁。如果我們看到現在的擔憂現今的社會要擔憂的話國際社會看到擔憂反倒是應該要去譴責習近平所領導的這個極權專制的一個\n\n03:39.477 --> 03:40.318\n目前贊同委員的看法\n\n03:55.289 --> 04:10.607\n我想齁這個不只是在這個裡面其實很多條文對於資源新法對於整個都是侵犯到人權的部分包括不確定的概念以後的人民都可能會調到立法院來要求你提供資料這個對於人民對外資對外商都產生相當大的\n\n04:11.508 --> 04:11.688\n賴瑞隆\n\n04:28.718 --> 04:31.179\n行政院身為一個憲政機關,依照憲法所定的程序提出救濟。\n\n04:57.111 --> 05:17.622\n拜託委員同仁同仁先進們能夠支持復議案所求的無非就是再一次我們能夠去面對這個法案的內容重新審視也再經過民主的程序好好的討論同時也維護到憲政裡面的秩序不要有\n\n05:19.095 --> 05:20.436\n請政院長該有負責任的表現。\n\n05:44.207 --> 06:10.220\n那我們來看過去以來有13次行政院提出復議其中有7次成功有兩次沒有結果有5次為成功成功的比例還是高的所以我們也期待這一次的復議立法院能夠好好的再來審議過去發生了一些問題很多委員們也都發現了問題甚至有很多說那就等到事先大法官回來再來處理如果發現立法院定的法定的不好有違憲之處就盡快趕快來修嘛這是一個程序可走就盡快修\n\n06:10.780 --> 06:12.482\n完全同意委員的看法所以我們在第一時間就\n\n06:23.948 --> 06:50.441\n檢視跟比對所有的法條,再次確認它的內容,在第一時間就經過行政院院會來通過,現在已經陳請總統來合可。我們希望最短的時間﹖議員﹖總統合可的文還沒有到行政院,一定要總統合可文下來之後,我們才會﹖所以可能下個禮拜就會送進立法院來的。希望能夠儘快的時間,因為越快處理,復一萬如果能夠越快的成立之後,這個社會的紛爭會減少。\n\n06:53.989 --> 07:09.221\n那當然也有可能最後進來的這個復議的結果立法院的多數如果照過去這樣如果沒有改變的話有可能是不接受那如果不接受的話我聽到昨天副國務卿總召說這個行政院長如果復議不通過的話應該要下來負責\n\n07:11.803 --> 07:31.930\n憲政上有這樣的規定嗎?跟委員報告依照新修的這個憲法徵修條文第三條第二項第二款的規定他只有說行政院長接受炒掉了過去應該辭職的字眼所以我很遺憾我沒有辭職的選項但是委員有第三款的選項\n\n07:33.130 --> 07:47.943\n我認為其實依照,所有都依照憲政來走啦齁,當然行政院長照你所提出來的復議,那如果立法院堅持要維持原意的話,那當然照法令來說行政院就只有接受,但是\n\n07:48.624 --> 08:05.326\n後續上可以提出釋憲包括立法院黨團以外提出釋憲那重點是其實如果副總召真的有意見的話他不要忘記了在第三項部分有一個立法院可以提出不信案院長擔不擔心副總召來提出這個不信案\n\n08:06.223 --> 08:19.361\n我既然我依據的就是同一個條文來提出復議那如果說大院也依照憲法的程序提出任何的憲法秩序所允許的那沒有什麼擔心我們就是面對憲法\n\n08:20.900 --> 08:46.026\n人民是最主要的依歸民主政治責任政治這樣人民最後決定那這一段時間的所有的表現大家也看在眼裡如果說最後還是堅持副總召還是堅持要負起這個責任我認為最簡單的方法就是由副總召國民黨黨團來提出不信任案那由人民來做最後的決斷但是人民對這件事情認為是傅坤祺對還是卓榮泰對可以來做一個整體的審視\n\n08:46.766 --> 08:47.807\n我跟賴委員對憲法的理解是一致的。\n\n09:11.946 --> 09:33.995\n好,謝謝,院長一起努力啦,我們期待是國家更穩定更好,同時多一點民生,少一點政治啦,這樣國家才能穩健前進,不然這樣狀況如果持續發生,後面還有很多,很多法案,不管是花蓮的前根法案,不管是反滲透法的修法,國安法的修法,這個這樣下去台灣會沒完沒了,我認為這個對台灣長遠的發展是非常的不利的。\n\n09:35.235 --> 09:57.622\n接下來我想還是回到一些議題回到高雄回答最近很熱包括超微MD的部分最近都在思考來到台灣來設研發中心那高雄我認為他有一個相當大的優勢就是他的電力是最充足的高雄現在有百分之他一年產生了500億度的電他有百分之40是往中往北送\n\n09:58.462 --> 10:15.303\n而這個未來這個AI這些產業其實需要的電力是一個很重要的那我希望不要讓南部的鄉親們都只是在需要用電的時候不斷的付出承受空污的危害承受影響而人才不斷的北流我們希望行政院如果在你們能力範圍內應該多多鼓勵企業\n\n10:17.606 --> 10:17.786\n院長怎麼看?\n\n10:31.221 --> 10:53.875\n政府對於全國22縣市應該都是平等的看待希望都有很好的發展但是我們很清楚知道我們的能源的分布我們的產業的聚落我們能力的供應以及我們必須加強的很多的交通跟公共設施基礎設施建設所以在這個底下我們希望產業如果國際大廠能夠發揮他們這種專業的眼光去挑選一個\n\n11:16.593 --> 11:16.733\n賴瑞隆\n\n11:33.576 --> 11:54.793\n發展都很有信心,也很有專業,如果有任何的詢問我們會提供那個專業的資訊。謝謝院長,也請多多支持。那再來就是現在的AI相當夯,南北的部分有可能都會有一個AI生態園區的一個設置。其實北部其實聚落於自然形成,南部反倒是需要再更大力推動,那我看到了其實\n\n11:55.673 --> 11:56.334\n請這院長回覆好不好?\n\n12:24.104 --> 12:24.164\n希望呢?\n\n12:39.682 --> 13:00.652\n南部這一塊好不好能夠有更多的這一塊特別是AI這一塊的一個生態系的部分的支持因為時間有限再來是也謝謝民進黨的執政在於小港的沿海六里過去有800隻煙囪包圍的地方我們終於花了從589億到了800億來做錢存從林全院長到賴清德院長到淳南院長都大力的支持\n\n13:01.152 --> 13:28.243\n那現在是到了最後階段齁,他們期待是無負債的千村跟整個社會住宅的一些能夠給予放寬,讓一些比較弱勢需要照顧的人能夠被照顧。我也希望院長關心一下支持這樣的方案好嗎?好的,我們會去持續關心,有需要的話我們再做進一步的討論。另外當然有一件也是非常重要就是說,呃,迄今啦齁,過去是半島,但是因為高雄港開港的關係而形成的是一個離島,但是他沒有離島建設條例的一些優惠啦齁。\n\n13:28.743 --> 13:57.202\n那因為第一過港隧道年限剩10年當我們做了延售但是第二過港隧道可行性評估今年剛出來那我也期盼未來行政院跟交通部能夠持續來支持讓旗津能有更安全回家的道路好嗎?請院長回覆好的,高雄港現有的過港隧道已經延到138年那有提到跟其他一些相關的交通建設的合併\n\n13:58.069 --> 14:05.594\n這請院長跟部長來審慎思考好不好,因為他第一條已經50年了,其實延壽的話都還是有風險,這個離島是因為高雄港開港才造成的,那我們希望讓鄉親能夠,要不然每次都要坐渡輪經過其實相當麻煩,我們還是希望這塊院長跟部長能夠整體來思考。\n\n14:23.327 --> 14:42.202\n另外還有一個也是前陣漁港部分之前讓包括歷任院長都非常支持,前陣漁港是全台灣最大的遠洋漁港,它會一年為台灣創造300億以上的一個經濟的產值。那這終於經過在民進黨執政的時候我們投了80億來做全面的改造,包括地下化、下水道等等全部來做了。\n\n14:42.802 --> 15:00.593\n但是有一個是最後一理路就是我們若是日本的豐洲足地我們一定是搭乘大宗運輸去那現在解運黃線已經開始要做了那我們期盼未來再增加兩站延伸到前征港讓我們的海洋產業漁業能夠更好的一個發展好不好請院長跟部長是不是也說明一下\n\n15:01.013 --> 15:26.896\n是,跟委員報告,這個案子目前已經在做可行性的規劃,那預計在今年的這個6月,他的期末報告會出來,那我們希望朝來支持跟推動的方向來。好,謝謝。院長最後一點時間,疫情後的復甦很快速,但是高雄這塊的機場航班航點的恢復期相當慢,我也希望院長跟部長能夠大力來督促好不好,不要讓南北的落差越來越大,好不好。\n\n15:31.775 --> 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