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但我不希望遺體在賴清德上任的4年之間、一千多天都放在金門，這是我的想法。","兩位可以請回了，我要問另外一個問題。最近很紅的是輝達黃仁勳執行長來到臺灣，他昨天晚上受訪的時候透露，研發中心會靠近臺北，我們臺灣人民都非常興奮，可是他同時提到電力確實是一個讓人擔憂的問題，他要把AI超級電腦放在電力充沛的地方。台灣美國商會6月再次發表白皮書，又再一次提到臺灣需要強化的基礎設施包含電價的穩定以及透明度，還有穩定的能源供應，商會中有七成的成員對此表達擔憂。每一次政府都告訴我們電力足夠，但我們所看到的是台電不斷虧損，臺灣各地區不斷跳電，甚至今年4月15號差一點點北北基要大限電，全世界都知道臺灣的電不夠，只有民進黨政府裝睡睡不著。現在更有趣了，我們來看看，經濟部長跟行政院長的看法竟然不同。郭部長，其實我很尊敬您，您那天講的很多談話我其實是支持跟認同的，台電應該要靠自己的努力去賺到錢，而不是永遠用我們納稅人的錢去補貼，我是認同你的。但當時您說的是核二、核三都可檢修測試，安檢通過就可以再用二、三十年。但是行政院卻說，我們還是一樣非核家園，今天上午卓院長有被問到這個問題，你也說兩邊的說法沒有不同，會確保電力穩定到2030年，要非核家園。那我就問啊，以這樣來說的話，原本蔡總統所承諾的是2025非核家園，請問你們的非核家園現在是二零二幾？是2030還是2025再加30？還是2025再加20？我們現在大家看不懂，希望我們的部長、院長可以給我們一個比較清楚的回答，先請院長好嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：我們只說非核家園是一個追求的目標啦，以前說2025，因為經過公投，那個年限已經不在……"],["徐委員巧芯：年限已經不在了？"],["卓院長榮泰：嗯，那個2025已經不在了，但是無論如何，非核家園是人類應該努力追求的目標。"],["徐委員巧芯：那核二跟核三有沒有考慮延役？院長。"],["卓院長榮泰：核二、核三？"],["徐委員巧芯：核三有沒有考慮延役？"],["卓院長榮泰：依照現行的核管法……"],["徐委員巧芯：因為部長有說，核二、核三檢修測試安檢通過後，可再用20到30年，這是他的說法，我要問的是院長的看法，在您的任內，核二跟核三會去做檢修跟測試，安檢通過再用20到30年嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：依照目前核管法的規定，任何核電廠要延役，必須在5年之前就提出相關的安全檢測……"],["徐委員巧芯：那你們會提出嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：現在已經過了那個時間。"],["徐委員巧芯：所以不會有？"],["卓院長榮泰：所以行政機關已經沒有能力提出了。"],["徐委員巧芯：那你們怎麼沒有跟經濟部長講，讓他在質詢的時候說出我們可以檢修測試，還可以有20到30年呢？"],["卓院長榮泰：這一點我跟部長的看法是一樣的。"],["徐委員巧芯：一樣在哪裡？"],["卓院長榮泰：他只是說如果檢測過了以後可以用，但前面的程序，我們的看法以及現在依法是相同的。"],["徐委員巧芯：那前面不就白講了！前面不就白講了！"],["卓院長榮泰：可以請部長再說一下。"],["徐委員巧芯：你說時間已經過了嘛！我只是確認一件事而已，其實我對經濟部長的說法是很認同的，但我要問的是我們的院長，所以在您的任內，在賴清德政府任內，核二、核三不會延役，因為您說時間已經過了，這是確認的事實嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：照現在的核管法，是沒有提出延役的可能跟機會的。"],["徐委員巧芯：那核管法要修嗎？會提出院版嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：行政院沒有提出修核管法的構想。"],["徐委員巧芯：您沒有提出這個的構想？"],["卓院長榮泰：沒有。"],["徐委員巧芯：那在賴清德總統任內會提出這樣，不要講賴清德總統，因為您不是賴清德總統嘛！在院長的任內會有意提出核管法修法嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：但是核三廠的一號機在今年7月就必須停役了。"],["徐委員巧芯：對，所以我問的是所謂時間點的問題嘛！你們會讓它延役嗎？你剛剛說是因為核管法的關係已經錯過了，所以……"],["卓院長榮泰：因為法律已經在這裡，目前我們是沒有立場。"],["徐委員巧芯：對，我問的是你們會因為希望核三能夠延役而提出院版的修法嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：目前沒有這樣的考量，目前考量的是停役之後，我們如何補全停役所產生的電力上的損失，可以從其他新興電廠以及多元綠能的開發，我們認為有辦法彌補停役一號機之後產生的缺口，是可以補上來的。"],["徐委員巧芯：好，這樣我瞭解了。","部長可以請回，因為下個議題我要問的是NCC的訴訟預算大幅增加，要討論NCC的事情，陳耀祥主委可以上來，但請你不要講話，因為你已經說你接下來沒有要做，自稱為NCC的過客，問你也沒有意思。","我想問的還是我們的院長，最近NCC又敗訴，請問您知道是什麼案子敗訴了嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：最近？對不起。"],["徐委員巧芯：5月13號的時候。請我們那位過客不要講話，如果院長不知道的話，我會提供參考，我不會故意要考倒你或什麼，沒有那個意思。"],["卓院長榮泰：好的，謝謝。"],["徐委員巧芯：是5月13號的時候收到判決書，中天勝，那個議題是邱議瑩委員說「大家沒離開」，這個案子是中天勝。偷打pass我都有看到，請我們的過客不要一直騷擾我們的院長。","再來，鳳凰雲的事件再審，3月20號有收到判決書，中天是勝訴的，請問上述兩件案子是否會申請再議？過客可以回答，沒有問題，因為您現在畢竟還是主委嘛！","來，過客請。"],["卓院長榮泰：好，請主委回答。"],["陳主任委員耀祥：報告委員，基本上來講，再審的案件，那是我們原來敗訴提再審……"],["徐委員巧芯：這兩件，這兩件都會提？"],["陳主任委員耀祥：沒有，確定就確定了，就是這樣子……"],["徐委員巧芯：所以這兩件都沒了？"],["陳主任委員耀祥：沒有，不是沒了，就是確定中天勝訴，但是另外還有16件案子是我們確定要提再訴的。"],["徐委員巧芯：都確定了嗎？還有16件？沒有，我問你的是這兩件，你都過客了，以後也不關你的事了，我問的是這兩件，就結束了嘛，對不對？"],["陳主任委員耀祥：對。"],["徐委員巧芯：好，沒有問題。那我想要請問院長的是，上面幾個主要，我幫你列出很多，你的螢幕板上面可以看到，在目前還有很多各種的上訴，其中關於中天不予換照的條件裡面，一審是中天勝訴，目前NCC上訴當中，請問您的態度跟立場是什麼？這一題請我們的過客先不要打pass喔，我看的很清楚，您都說您是過客了，來，院長。"],["卓院長榮泰：通傳會它如果是一個獨立性機關，那我的態度不重要，是他們委員自己討論才重要。"],["徐委員巧芯：OK！好，很好。行政院4月30號函送了NCC的委員名單到立法院裡面，那請問您有瞭解過，他們對於這些訴訟案的立場嗎？還是因為您認為是獨立機關，所以你只選人，對於他們所有的名單，對於所謂要不要上訴這件事情的立場，您是不清楚的？"],["卓院長榮泰：跟委員報告，這個名單是陳建仁院長所送的。"],["徐委員巧芯：是，因為您也要交接嘛，你不會說那是陳建仁的，您總是跟陳建仁院長有些交接吧？"],["卓院長榮泰：雖然政權是延續的，但是不在其位就不謀其政，陳院長沒有跟我討論到人選的……"],["徐委員巧芯：那所以？沒有討論，那您也沒有跟這名單上面的委員詢問過，他們對於中天案是否還要上訴的立場？"],["卓院長榮泰：完全沒有。"],["徐委員巧芯：沒有嘛，對不對？好。那如果這些委員他們都是堅持要上訴的話，以現在的國會環境來說，您覺得這份名單在立法院會被接受的可能性高嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：既然要經過大院的同意，那就是大院的委員先進們在做決定。"],["徐委員巧芯：好。當時一審敗訴的時候，NCC還發了新聞稿說很遺憾，會上訴，如果我們的NCC委員有一樣的看法的話，我們擔心的是浪費大家的納稅錢。我們可以看一下，先前我有跟過客主委討論過這個事情，我們看一下，我們找出了從2018、2019、2020、2021、2022到2023年編列的訴訟費用跟法律諮詢費用的比較，這簡直是三級跳，到2023年編列了高達1,310萬的訴訟費跟法律諮詢費用，我想要請問一下我們的院長，接下來的預算編列會往上還是會往下？"],["卓院長榮泰：任何機關為捍衛自己行政的決定，進行訴訟或其他的救濟，我認為這是機關自己的權力，我予以尊重。"],["徐委員巧芯：是，我同意，我同意，但是你可以看到，以前我們需要的訴訟費跟法律諮詢費用，2018、2019、2020年這也都是民進黨執政期間，都只有編很少150萬而已，可是從2021、2022到2023年的時候，暴增到1,310萬元，這樣子的調幅難道不是因為NCC出了很多的事情，然後導致很多的官司。我前面還幫你做了官司的列表，每打一次官司，每一次的訴訟都會花更多納稅人的錢嘛，所以，我問院長的問題是，您覺得接下來在您的任內，NCC的法律訴訟費跟諮詢費會高於2023年還是會低於2023年？"],["卓院長榮泰：過去為什麼這樣高，我想再請主委說明一下。"],["徐委員巧芯：這個我都知道了，我都問過了，我問的問題很簡單，我只問編列預算的部分……"],["陳主任委員耀祥：報告委員，我跟你解釋一下，因為這是比較細節的部分，這個預算跟我們的制度有關係……"],["徐委員巧芯：我理解，過客我知道，我問的是未來，因為你之後已經沒有要再做主委了……"],["陳主任委員耀祥：但是我要跟委員解釋一下，這是制度性的……"],["徐委員巧芯：所以，我要問的是2024的預算，跟您是沒有關係的，如果您接下來要繼續接主委，我會問您，也會讓您表達意見，但我要問的是2024年行政院的預算，會比2023年高還是會比2023年低，這個問題只有我們的院長能夠幫我們回答。"],["卓院長榮泰：好，我回答委員，2024年的預算，現在已經在執行當中了，它就必須照預算書裡面所訂的來執行。"],["徐委員巧芯：是，所以我的問題是會比較高還是比較低？"],["卓院長榮泰：就照預算書裡面的……"],["徐委員巧芯：那我們現在預算的狀況？"],["卓院長榮泰：2024已經在執行了。"],["徐委員巧芯：對，我們的預算的狀況是比它高還是比它低？"],["陳主任委員耀祥：我可以解釋一下……"],["徐委員巧芯：過客可以回答，因為現在是2024年，來。"],["陳主任委員耀祥：因為我們的訴訟費用……"],["徐委員巧芯：你們2024年編多少？"],["陳主任委員耀祥：2024年因為是編在基金，我們是通傳基金在編這個法律事務費……"],["徐委員巧芯：編多少？"],["陳主任委員耀祥：目前來講，因為還沒有完全審議通過，我們只是通過單位預算而已。"],["徐委員巧芯：多少嘛？"],["陳主任委員耀祥：當然我們基本上來講的話大概是1,000多萬。"],["徐委員巧芯：1,000多萬，我要問細部的嘛！因為你1,000多萬，1,000多萬是超過1,310萬，還是低於1,310萬？"],["陳主任委員耀祥：沒有，我們要看實際的需要。"],["徐委員巧芯：具體的數字，您都快要離任了，你還不跟我講怎麼辦呢？多少錢？"],["陳主任委員耀祥：我們在執行的112年是一千一百多萬，2023年來講……"],["徐委員巧芯：2024！"],["陳主任委員耀祥：2024來講也是差不多這個錢，多一點。"],["徐委員巧芯：差不多喔！真的過客。院長，我希望您可以把數字搞清楚，會後跟我回復……"],["卓院長榮泰：好的。"],["徐委員巧芯：因為我都在大院裡面詢問了，具體的數字前幾年我都列出了，我問你2024，甚至我問2025都不為過，結果得到的是這樣子的答案，我很遺憾。","最後我要問，如果NCC的中天案最後敗訴確定的話，請問已經被關掉的中天52臺應該要如何救濟？他們能夠重新回到電視臺的頻道嗎？能夠重回52臺嗎？我們針對這個部分有沒有相關的想定？"],["卓院長榮泰：已經被停掉的頻道，即使經過法律的救濟，它要重新回復我相信還是有另外一個程序，必須遵照程序。"],["徐委員巧芯：好，謝謝。接下來我們要討論關於財劃法的部分，過客可以請回了。密密麻麻的中央政策，3年來臺北市自籌負擔了381億，我把所有的都寫給大家看，這些都是屬於我們中央提出了很多，我也很支持，是好的政策，但是一大堆都是地方買單的，所以3年來臺北市自籌負擔了381億。最近因為在討論財劃法的關係，所以我們具體三個建議，這個部長可以不用回復，因為我是講我們的建議而已，您能夠做，你們做；但不能做的話，我們會後討論，我時間很有限。","首先，我們希望營業稅100%回歸為地方財源，其中50%按照各地的營利事業營業額分配，50%納入統籌。第二個部分是保障社福、教育、基本設施的一般性補助款。第三個是我們不能每次都是中央宣布了一個大的政策，最後由地方來買單，已經有很多次這樣的事情，剛剛說過了有381億，所以這是我們希望能夠做到的部分。我想要請我們的院長簡單說明一下您的看法，不用講太長，因為財劃法本來就還在漫長的討論當中，來，院長。"],["卓院長榮泰：我相信委員應該同意，財劃法這種內容的設計是一個非常精密的工程。"],["徐委員巧芯：同意。"],["卓院長榮泰：好，第三點，中央請客片面決定之後，地方買單，但是中央在各個地方做了那麼多的公共建設、這麼多的軌道工程、做了那麼多的社會福利，這個都應該是屬於中央地方互相合作的一環。"],["徐委員巧芯：理解，好，我同意您的看法。但我最後想要問一下，針對財劃法的部分，我們過去有明定保留分配款的3%首都加給給臺北市，未來如果財劃法重新修法的話，這個3%的保留，我們會繼續留存下來嗎？部長如果需要補充的話是可以的。"],["卓院長榮泰：我跟委員報告一件很慚愧的事情，我在臺北市議會待過，我也在立法院待過，身為一個臺北市出來的民意代表，我從來沒有為臺北市爭取過1塊錢的預算，因為臺北市的錢確實是不少，其他地方需要的縣市更多……"],["徐委員巧芯：當然。"],["卓院長榮泰：我們如果從均衡臺灣的理念來看，更應該有……"],["徐委員巧芯：但是我們過去都有3%的加給，這是事實吧？我們過去有這個嘛！對不對？"],["卓院長榮泰：就是因為臺北市的預算確實是很多。"],["徐委員巧芯：臺北市的預算加給3%嘛！"],["卓院長榮泰：我想你我也都會同意啊！"],["徐委員巧芯：所以我們問的是說會不會保留？您的意思看起來是會還是不會？還是不確定？"],["卓院長榮泰：我說這是一個很精密的工程……"],["徐委員巧芯：是、是、是。"],["卓院長榮泰：但是就我過去在臺北市的經驗來看，臺北市的預算確實是蠻多的。"],["徐委員巧芯：好，那我們接下來，你說預算蠻多的，可是我們也有很多基礎的建設希望行政院可以來幫忙……"],["卓院長榮泰：我們應該均衡臺灣跟其他縣市來……"],["徐委員巧芯：我理解、我理解，我們要談論下一個主題了，財劃法是一條漫長的路，我們會慢慢穩健的來走。","再來是0403的大地震，對於各個區域來說都有很多損害的地方，那在臺北市，尤其您剛剛說了，您是臺北市議員出身的，跟我一樣，我相信您對臺北市有共同的情感，我們看到4月3號臺北市也有很多的災損，包含屋頂防漏，我們直接給大家看這個圖片，屋頂防漏、廁所、跑道等整修工程，我們向中央申請了2.13億，也謝謝中央核撥了64.8%，臺北市有自籌的部分。但是除了這個補助64%之外，我們也要特別再強調，臺北市有很多高齡的這些校舍是嗷嗷待哺的喔！","我們來看下一個，行政院主計總處提到的最低使用年限，照理來說，鋼筋混凝土學校的部分是55年，可是我們都是臺北市出身的，您剛剛談到您過去也是臺北市議員，下一張是臺北市的校舍屋齡統計表，236所校舍、1,530棟裡面6成屋齡超過40年的有932棟，或許您看這個數據沒有感覺。我們來看臺北市的校舍改建計畫裡面，屋齡超過50年的，過去3年有2次以上大規模剝落，包含這7年來，總預算粗估420億，地方自籌財源的話，臺北市就算您說的，我們是有比其他縣市有錢一些，但是也只籌措到40億，還需要很多，為期7年的計畫需要我們行政院來補助。想請問關於提供臺北市校舍補助這一塊，我們院長能否承諾來協助？"],["卓院長榮泰：我跟委員一樣關心公共安全，尤其學校的校舍又牽扯到學生的安全，但是如果是屬於地方自治事項，我還是認為地方政府應該勇敢的負擔起這個責任。"],["徐委員巧芯：可是很多像包含臺中、其他建設、其他學校，我們中央都有做比較多的補助。"],["卓院長榮泰：中央政府在我們預算允許的範圍當中，我們會用剛剛我說的均衡臺灣的理念來照顧每個地方。"],["徐委員巧芯：所以我們剛剛講的這些部分，像剝落部分的補助，這個補助，中央對臺北市的部分就……"],["卓院長榮泰：這個是屬於地方自治事項，臺北市政府應該勇敢的承擔這個責任。"],["徐委員巧芯：已經很勇敢的承擔很多了，但是還是有缺口，需要中央來幫忙，院長能不能夠多幫臺北市一點？"],["卓院長榮泰：如果中央行有餘力的話，我們可以討論，但中央負擔也很重，謝謝。"],["徐委員巧芯：好，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝徐巧芯委員的質詢，謝謝卓院長的備詢。","報告院會，現在我們上午的質詢到此為止，下午2點半繼續開會，進行質詢，現在休息。","休息（12時6分）","繼續開會（14時30分）"]],"agenda":{"page_end":23,"meet_id":"院會-11-1-17","speakers":["韓國瑜","江啟臣","鄭天財Sra 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00:01:17,361\n謝謝來我們在看到這個投影片上面大大的兩個字我想院長應該也看得很明白叫做選擇院長剛剛您說您喜歡喝咖啡那我呢去給了您一杯茶\n\n4\n00:01:18,041 --> 00:01:19,983\n我們看一下教育部的國語辭典修訂本上面,對於選擇的解釋是什麼?選擇、挑選、領選、檢選、抉擇、選取之欲。\n\n5\n00:01:38,197 --> 00:02:01,497\n通常叫做你選了A就給A不是你選了A就給B可是今天很遺憾的是在臺北市的警察局的人事上面我們在內政部上面照理來說我們給臺北市長來選警察局局長的人選可是呢臺北市長選了A之後你們卻給了B最後告訴我們說這是溝通不良\n\n6\n00:02:02,037 --> 00:02:21,059\n我們可以看到整個時間序,5月27號的時候,我們部長致電蔣萬恩市長問有沒有屬意的人選,然後蔣萬恩市長其實我覺得態度也不錯,他說中央可以給我們名單相關資料,然後當天開給方仰明跟李希和兩個人的名單。\n\n7\n00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:22,160\n﹚徐巧芯﹚\n\n8\n00:02:38,941 --> 00:03:01,944\n這麼小的事情我們開得起玩笑可是呢臺北市警察局這麼大的事情坦白說我覺得我們開不起這個玩笑因為是面對所有的臺灣的臺北市的市民朋友尤其那個部長您是這個臺北人也做過我們松山信義區的議員當時也做得非常的好那如果您還是臺北市議員\n\n9\n00:03:02,645 --> 00:03:07,506\n謝謝徐委員我剛剛說我要咖啡有我的喜好你給我的是茶有你的理由我都笑納我也不會跟你換回來\n\n10\n00:03:31,564 --> 00:03:46,099\n你不會跟我換回來?那你不會覺得說我剛剛可以選的是茶可是咖啡可是你卻給我茶這件事情很詭異嗎?不會啊我說我選咖啡有我的喜好啊你給我茶有你的理由啊我都笑納謝謝\n\n11\n00:03:46,960 --> 00:04:12,997\n所以你覺得說呢這樣子的一個溝通是沒有問題的這是百分之百能夠溝通那你也不覺得在整個過程當中跟台北市政府的溝通有任何的問題也不覺得你們當初丟了兩個選項結果呢蔣萬事長選了A你們給了B這件事情行政院在這裡的部分呢有溝通上面的問題未來需要調整嗎所以我知道你給我查的理由是什麼啊這個理由我就請部長來答覆你\n\n12\n00:04:14,117 --> 00:04:31,822\n所以我知道是整個過程,那現在李熹和局長也真是﹖您知道的過程跟我了解的不太一樣,所以我們還是有溝通的問題。我想跟徐委員報告一下,臺北市警察總局的局長的部分,原來在簽成公文的時候就是由內政部來決定的。\n\n13\n00:04:33,023 --> 00:04:53,694\n我們知道臺北市是首善之區,所以原先我請警政署把所有有可能可以擔任臺北市警察局局長的人選全部要簽報給我。在我們自己內部的過程當中,我們認為在報紙上有出現方雅玲這樣的名字之後,我有跟蔣萬山市長打電話\n\n14\n00:04:56,215 --> 00:04:57,016\n徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯\n\n15\n00:05:14,650 --> 00:05:17,232\n是,我們都知道,兩位都很優秀,我並不覺得李希和局長有什麼不好的地方。我了解,我不覺得李希和局長有什麼不好的地方。\n\n16\n00:05:38,007 --> 00:05:47,936\n我只是覺得如果提供了選項的話,那應該就是按照選項讓市長來選,而不是呢,所以他不是一個選項。好,我了解了,謝謝局長,我知道了,這樣我了解了,他從來不是一個選項。\n\n17\n00:05:55,283 --> 00:06:12,243\n李熹和局長已經正式上任,我也期許他未來可以做得更好,但類似以後,所謂如果他是溝通或是選項或是派任,請直接跟市府講清楚,不要讓人家有不舒服的感覺。不曉得我們部長,我們的這個院長可以承諾嗎?\n\n18\n00:06:14,493 --> 00:06:26,666\n對,人事的安排有它一定的慣例,那這個過程我認為以後我們可以更精進的,跟臺北市保持更好的溝通,部長也是這樣的認為。部長請回,第二個我想要討論的是,卓部長您去過這個,院長對不起,\n\n19\n00:06:33,994 --> 00:06:53,186\n您去過海巡署最近去做海巡署當海巡的靠山說遇到不法該吃足就去足我是非常認同您這樣子的一個說法的那去鼓勵海巡弟兄我也覺得很好因為他們真的很辛苦我們也不斷的在幫忙爭取更多的設備包含密錄器等等\n\n20\n00:06:53,826 --> 00:07:15,672\n但是我想要詢問,院長您在巡視海巡署的時候並沒有提過過去的這個先前發生的驚嚇海域的事件。請問您知道驚嚇海域事件目前發生已經幾天了嗎?請我們的這個主委先不要回答。我問的是部長,我問的是院長,對不起,我一直口誤,不好意思。來,院長。\n\n21\n00:07:19,096 --> 00:07:25,266\n對,已經115天了。那我想要請問一下您知道目前的遇難者現在的遺體在哪裡嗎?\n\n22\n00:07:27,028 --> 00:07:55,282\n我問的是院長。我問的是院長。主委請您稍等。我問的是院長。這不是一個很難的問題。這不是一個很難的問題。我想要問的是院長。您知不知道他們...不是我沒有問你祭不祭拜的問題。我問的是位置。這些遇難者他們的遺體在哪?院長。主委有一直跟我說包括那天他有跟我說這件事情他們現在在處理的過程以及他們對於家屬\n\n23\n00:07:56,926 --> 00:07:59,169\n我問的是他的遺體是否在哪裡,人在金門。我是跟你確認一件事情而已,不要這麼緊張嘛。\n\n24\n00:08:12,944 --> 00:08:27,502\n那呢我們可以看一下金門事件雙方的會談記事從2月23號開始前面有很多的協商但一直到3月3號以後就停擺了目前海巡署提供給我們的資料停擺不是在3月3日\n\n25\n00:08:29,845 --> 00:08:38,435\n這是我跟你們公開所知你們回覆給我的資料。這是我們公開向海巡署所知的資料上面寫到的最後一場協商會議在3月13號。你們後來為什麼沒有繼續開協商會議?\n\n26\n00:08:44,261 --> 00:08:47,182\n主席我問的是院長因為現在是我在跟院長質詢的時間院長請問一下在您上任之後\n\n27\n00:09:14,211 --> 00:09:17,052\n五二零到現在十幾天當中我跟管主委就很多的\n\n28\n00:09:34,578 --> 00:09:35,499\n徐巧芯徐巧芯\n\n29\n00:10:04,618 --> 00:10:30,356\n我真的希望說我們可以積極的來處理因為我們難道賴清德總統四年的執政遺體要放在金門一千多天嗎這不是我們希望看到的所以我們給部長很大的期許主委很大的期許也給院長很大的期許希望能夠盡快的來再次開啟協商就算我們知道你們有一些困難有為難之處但也盡量的去做院長可以嗎\n\n30\n00:10:31,175 --> 00:10:53,516\n那也請委員能夠聽一下主委到底困難在哪裡。困難在哪裡其實我們問過了嘛。您就說這個我給你一點時間說一下好不好。因為卡在對於我國的制度對方不予承認那問題關鍵都卡在說我們很希望人道優先來解決但是當以政治為前提來處理這件事情的時候真的就很難往前走。\n\n31\n00:10:54,236 --> 00:11:10,450\n但是我們信於承諾我們沒有把這些內容都對外跟委員報告,如果能夠雙方都以人道為優先,而不是...我們一直都很努力,其實一直都很努力。是。\n\n32\n00:11:15,954 --> 00:11:21,016\n因為我們有承諾要保密,所以民眾沒有辦法指導人。因為我們對於中國的做法,我們保密而沒有對外,所以社會大眾並不了解,其實我們相當的善意。\n\n33\n00:11:39,082 --> 00:12:06,064\n對,因為我們信守承諾,我們對中國有善意。不好意思,我剛剛已經給您回答的時間了,那請您尊重我的發言。因為這是新的議題。我們在講的是民眾對於這個有五成表示不滿意,結果我們的海委會主委管碧玲主委仍然被留任,代表包含我們的總統跟我們的院長也認為這件事情處理你們是滿意的嗎?那請問,最後我要問一下院長這個議題喔。\n\n34\n00:12:07,285 --> 00:12:09,889\n在我們在任的每一天我們一定把它處理盡心盡力的處理但是這有雙方\n\n35\n00:12:26,767 --> 00:12:42,154\n我懂我了解但我不希望遺體在賴清德上任的四年之間一千多天都放在金門這是我的想法那再來呢兩位可以請回了我們問另外一個問題喔最近很紅的是這個揮打的這個黃仁勳質詢長來到台灣\n\n36\n00:12:45,276 --> 00:13:00,388\n他昨天晚上受訪的時候透露研發中心會靠近臺北我們臺灣人民都非常的興奮可是他同時提到電力確實是一個讓人擔憂的問題他要把AI超級電腦放在電力充沛的地方\n\n37\n00:13:00,868 --> 00:13:17,087\n而臺灣美國商會6月的時候再一次發表白皮書,又再一次提到了臺灣需要強化的基礎設施,包含電價的穩定以及透明度,還有穩定的能源工地,包括七成的成員都對此表達了擔憂。\n\n38\n00:13:18,268 --> 00:13:18,628\n現在更有趣了。\n\n39\n00:13:38,837 --> 00:13:58,059\n我們來看看經濟部長跟行政院長的看法竟然不同。我們的郭部長,其實我很尊敬您。您那天講的很多談話,我其實支持跟認同的。臺電應該要照他們自己的努力去賺到錢,而不是永遠用臺我們的納稅人的錢去補貼。我是認同你的。\n\n40\n00:13:58,499 --> 00:14:23,098\n但當時您說的是和二和三都可檢修測試安檢通過之後可以再用二三十年但是我們的行政院卻說這個呢我們還是一樣非核家園今天上午卓部長有被問到這個問題您也說你們兩邊說法沒有不同會確保電力穩定到2030年要非核家園那我就問那這樣來說的話我們原本\n\n41\n00:14:25,180 --> 00:14:45,157\n蔡總統所承諾的是2025非核家園請問你們的非核家園是現在是20二幾是2030還是2025再加30還是2025再加20我們現在大家看不懂希望我們的部長、院長可以給我們一個比較清楚的回答我們先請院長好嗎\n\n42\n00:14:46,155 --> 00:14:58,001\n我們只說非核家園是一個追求的目標,以前說2025因為經過公投那個年限已經不在,但是無論如何非核家園是人類應該努力追求的目標。那何鶴章、何山有沒有考慮研議?\n\n43\n00:15:05,444 --> 00:15:10,306\n徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯\n\n44\n00:15:27,790 --> 00:15:27,950\n那你們會提出嗎?\n\n45\n00:15:38,626 --> 00:15:38,806\n﹚徐巧芯﹚徐巧芯﹚\n\n46\n00:15:58,513 --> 00:16:16,008\n然後前面不就白講,你說時間已經過了嘛,所以,好我只確認一件事情而已喔,其實我對經濟部長的說法我是很認同的,但我要問的是我們的院長,所以在您的任內,在賴清德政府的任內,和二和三不會研議,因為您說時間已經過了,這是確認的事實嗎?\n\n47\n00:16:21,032 --> 00:16:22,053\n徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧\n\n48\n00:16:43,416 --> 00:16:49,243\n對,所以我要問的是所謂的時間點的問題嘛,你們會讓他研議嗎?你剛剛說是因為核管法的關係已經做過了,所以我問,對,我問的是你們會因為希望核三能夠研議而提出院版的修法嗎?\n\n49\n00:17:03,288 --> 00:17:17,234\n目前沒有這樣的考量,目前考量的是停役之後我們如何補全它這個停役所產生的電力上的損失。我們可以從其他的新興的電廠以及能多元綠能的開發,我們認為有辦法彌補停役一號機之後的所產生的這個缺口。\n\n50\n00:17:23,076 --> 00:17:50,647\n這可以補上來的這樣我了解了,那我們部長可以請回因為下一個議題我們要問的是NCC的訴訟預算大幅增加那要討論NCC的事情那這個陳耀祥主委可以上來但請你不要講話因為你已經說你接下來沒有要做自稱為NCC的過客問你也沒有意思所以我想要問的還是我們的這個院長最近NCC又敗訴請問您知道是什麼案子敗訴了嗎\n\n51\n00:17:53,844 --> 00:18:21,480\n五月十三日的時候請我們那個過客不要講話如果院長不知道的話我會提供參考我不會故意要考導你或什麼沒有那個意思是五月十三日的時候收到了判決書中天審然後我們那個議題是邱益穎委員說這個案子裡面中天審偷打怕死我都有看到但是請我們的過客不要一直騷擾我們的院長\n\n52\n00:18:22,501 --> 00:18:34,193\n再來,鳳凰雲的事件在審3月20日有收到判決書,中天是勝訴的。我想要請問,上述兩件案子是否會申請在意?\n\n53\n00:18:34,193 --> 00:18:37,616\n過客可以回答,沒有問題,因為您現在畢竟還是主委嘛。來,過客請。\n\n54\n00:18:40,298 --> 00:18:48,864\n報告委員,基本上來講在審的案件,如果我們,那個是我們原來敗訴提在審,那只是一個意思而已。這兩件都會提?\n\n55\n00:18:48,864 --> 00:18:53,126\n那個沒有,確定就確定了,就是這樣子。好,所以這兩件都沒了?\n\n56\n00:18:53,126 --> 00:19:04,554\n沒有,不是沒了,就是確定中天生,但是我們另外還有16件案只是確定中天勝訴的。沒有,我問你的是這兩件嘛,你都過課了以後也不關你的事,我問的是這兩件,就結束了嘛,對不對?\n\n57\n00:19:04,554 --> 00:19:04,574\n好。\n\n58\n00:19:05,154 --> 00:19:33,651\n沒有問題那我想要請問的院長喔是上面幾個主要幫你列出很多你的這個螢幕板上面可以看到齁那在這個目前很多還有這個各種的上訴喔那其中關於中天不予換照的條件裡面一審是中天勝訴那目前NCC上訴當中請問您的態度跟立場是什麼這一題請我們的過客先不要不要不要打pass喔我看很清楚喔您都說您是過客來院長\n\n59\n00:19:34,531 --> 00:20:02,311\n通傳會啊,它如果是一個獨立性機關啊,那我的態度不重要,是他們委員自己討論才重要。OK,好,很好。行政院4月30號函送了NCC的委員,好的,名單到立法院裡面。那請問您有瞭解過他們對於這些訴訟案的立場嗎?還是因為您認為是獨立機關,所以你只選人?對於他們所有的名單,對於所謂要不要上訴這件事情的立場,您是不清楚的?\n\n60\n00:20:02,964 --> 00:20:28,239\n跟委員報告,這個名單是陳建仁院長所送來的。是,那您本,因為您也要交接嘛,你不能說陳建仁的,那您總是跟陳建仁院長有些交接吧?雖然政權是延續的,但是不在其位就不謀其政。陳院長沒有跟我討論到。沒有討論,那您也沒有跟這名單上面的委員詢問過他們對於中天案是否還要上去的立場。沒有嘛,對不對。\n\n61\n00:20:29,019 --> 00:20:36,053\n那如果這些委員他們都是堅持要上訴的話,您覺得這份名單在立法院會被接受嗎?\n\n62\n00:20:36,053 --> 00:20:37,356\n的可能性高嗎?\n\n63\n00:20:37,356 --> 00:20:38,178\n在以現在的國會環境來說。\n\n64\n00:20:39,653 --> 00:21:01,105\n那既然要經過大院的同意那就是大院的委員先進門再做決定。好那當時一審敗訴的時候喔NCC還發了新聞稿說很遺憾會上訴喔那如果我們的這個NCC委員有一樣的看法的話我們擔心的是浪費大家的納稅錢我們可以看一下先前我有跟這個過客主委討論過這個事情喔\n\n65\n00:21:02,546 --> 00:21:02,886\n任何機關捍衛自己\n\n66\n00:21:32,875 --> 00:21:40,079\n我同意我同意但是呢你可以看到以前我們需要的訴訟費跟法律諮詢費用181920這也都是民進黨執政期間啊都是只有編很少150萬而已\n\n67\n00:21:52,705 --> 00:22:13,734\n可是從202121、22、23年的時候暴增到1310萬元這樣子的一個條幅那難道不是因為NCC出了很多的事情然後導致很多的官司官司我前面還幫你做了這個列表每打一次官司每一次的訴訟都會花更多納稅人的錢嘛所以我問院長的問題是\n\n68\n00:22:15,054 --> 00:22:21,417\n您覺得接下來在您的任內在NCC的這個法律訴訟費跟諮詢費會高於2023年還是會低於2023年?\n\n69\n00:22:26,378 --> 00:22:46,310\n過去為什麼這樣高我想再請主委說明一下。這我都知道了我都問過了我問的問題很簡單我只問編列預算的部分我理解過客過客我知道我問的是未來因為你之後已經沒有要再做主委了所以我要問的是2024的預算跟您是沒有關係的\n\n70\n00:22:47,190 --> 00:23:13,980\n如果您接下來要繼續接主委我會問您也會讓您表達意見但我要問的是2024年行政院的預算會比2023年高還是會比2023年低這個問題只有我們的院長能夠幫我們回答好回答委員2024年的預算現在已經在執行當中了他就必須到預算書裡面所定的來執行而是所以我的問題是會比較高還是比較低嗎就照預算書裡面的\n\n71\n00:23:15,171 --> 00:23:16,851\n徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯\n\n72\n00:23:39,857 --> 00:23:41,718\n徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯\n\n73\n00:23:58,546 --> 00:24:24,449\n我們在112年是1100多萬嘛,那2023年來講,2024來講也是差不多這個錢,多一點點。差不多齁,真的過客齁。部長我希望您可以把數字搞清楚,會後跟我回覆,因為我都在大院裡面詢問了,那具體的數字前幾年我都列出了,我問你一個2024,甚至我問2025都不為過,那結果得到的是這樣子的答案,我很遺憾。\n\n74\n00:24:25,229 --> 00:24:44,517\n最後我要問喔,如果NCC的最後就是中天案的最後敗訴確定的話,請問已經被關掉的中天52台應該要如何救濟?他們能夠重新回到電視台的頻道嗎?能夠重回52台嗎?我們有沒有針對這個部分有相關的想定?\n\n75\n00:24:46,496 --> 00:24:49,837\n密密麻麻的中央政策三年來台北市自籌負擔了381億我把所有都寫給大家看了\n\n76\n00:25:07,882 --> 00:25:36,768\n這些都是屬於我們中央提出了很多我也很支持是好的政策但是呢一大堆都是地方買單的所以三年來臺北市自籌負擔了381億那最近因為在討論才化法的關係所以我們具體三個建議那這個部長可以不用回覆因為我是講我們的建議而已那您能夠做你們做但不能做的話我們會後做討論我時間很有限首先是我們希望\n\n77\n00:25:37,868 --> 00:26:00,198\n銀業稅百分之百回歸為地方財源其中百分之五十按照各地的盈利事業而分配百分之五十納入統籌第二個部分是保障社福教育基本設施的一般性補助款第三個是我們不能每次都是中央宣布了一個大的政策最後由地方來買單已經有很多次這樣的事情剛剛說過了有381億\n\n78\n00:26:02,739 --> 00:26:14,232\n所以這是我們希望能夠做到的部分。那我想要請我們的院長簡單說明一下您的看法。不用講太長,因為才化法本來就還在漫長的討論當中。來,院長。\n\n79\n00:26:16,465 --> 00:26:34,575\n我相信委員應該同意這種才化法的這種內容的設計是一個非常精密的工程同意第三點中央請客片面決定之後地方買單但是中央在各個地方做了那麼多的公共建設這麼多的軌道工程\n\n80\n00:26:34,915 --> 00:26:35,675\n﹚徐巧芯﹚徐巧芯﹚\n\n81\n00:27:01,863 --> 00:27:21,673\n我跟委員報告一件很慚愧的事情,我在臺北市議會待過,我也在立法院待過,身為一個臺北市出來的民意代表,我從來沒有為臺北市爭取過一塊錢的預算,因為臺北市的錢確實是不少,其他地方需要的縣市更多。我們如果從均衡臺灣的理念來看,我們更應該有一個口號。\n\n82\n00:27:24,994 --> 00:27:36,384\n我們過去有這個嘛,對不對?臺北市的預算確實是很多。所以我們問的是說會不會保留?那您的意思看起來是會還是不會?還是不確定?是是是。好。\n\n83\n00:27:40,928 --> 00:27:57,761\n這個經驗來看臺北市的預算確實是蠻多的。好那我們接下來你說預算蠻多的可是我也有很多基礎的建設希望行政院可以來幫忙。我們應該均衡臺灣跟其他縣市。我理解我理解我們要談論是下一個主題了齁。才化法是一條漫長的路我們會慢慢的穩健的來走。\n\n84\n00:27:59,102 --> 00:28:15,359\n再來是呢0403的大地震對於各個區域來說都有很多的損害的地方那在臺北市尤其您剛說了您是臺北市議員出生的跟我一樣我相信您對臺北市有共同的情感\n\n85\n00:28:16,019 --> 00:28:31,152\n我們看到4月3日臺北市也有很多的災損,包含是屋頂房漏,我們直接給大家看這個圖片,屋頂房漏廁所跑道整修工程,我們向中央申請了2.13億,中央也謝謝你們合撥了64.8%,臺北市有自籌的部分,\n\n86\n00:28:34,915 --> 00:28:35,155\n﹚徐巧芯\n\n87\n00:29:05,495 --> 00:29:06,096\n﹚徐巧芯﹚\n\n88\n00:29:26,988 --> 00:29:50,754\n包括這7年來總預算粗估420億財源地方自籌的話臺北市就算您說的我們是有比其他縣市有錢一些但是呢也籌說只到40億還需要很多為期7年的計劃需要我們行政院來補助想請問關於校舍提供臺北市補助這一塊我們院長能否承諾來協助\n\n89\n00:29:52,148 --> 00:30:08,309\n我跟委員一樣關心公共安全,與其學校的校舍又牽涉到學生的安全。但是如果是屬於地方知識事項,我還是認為地方政府應該勇敢的負擔起這個責任。可是很多像包含是台中啊、其他建設、其他學校,我們中央都有做比較多的補助啊。\n\n90\n00:30:09,150 --> 00:30:09,330\n﹚徐巧芯﹚\n\n91\n00:30:40,094 --> 00:30:40,265\n徐巧芯\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n549\t24081\t接下來我們請登記第11號徐巧芯委員質詢。謝謝院長,那我們想請卓部長再請卓院長備詢卓院長,對不起\n32543\t57956\t徐委員好院長好首先要先恭喜您上任那體恤您在這裡呢要質詢也備詢一整天喔想說呢請你喝一杯飲料不曉得你平常比較喜歡喝茶還是咖啡呢咖啡咖啡喔好那院長才是請您才是我同意把一杯茶可以拿給我們院長當然可以啊好謝謝來請喝茶\n65254\t77361\t謝謝來我們在看到這個投影片上面大大的兩個字我想院長應該也看得很明白叫做選擇院長剛剛您說您喜歡喝咖啡那我呢去給了您一杯茶\n78041\t79983\t我們看一下教育部的國語辭典修訂本上面,對於選擇的解釋是什麼?選擇、挑選、領選、檢選、抉擇、選取之欲。\n98197\t121497\t通常叫做你選了A就給A不是你選了A就給B可是今天很遺憾的是在臺北市的警察局的人事上面我們在內政部上面照理來說我們給臺北市長來選警察局局長的人選可是呢臺北市長選了A之後你們卻給了B最後告訴我們說這是溝通不良\n122037\t141059\t我們可以看到整個時間序,5月27號的時候,我們部長致電蔣萬恩市長問有沒有屬意的人選,然後蔣萬恩市長其實我覺得態度也不錯,他說中央可以給我們名單相關資料,然後當天開給方仰明跟李希和兩個人的名單。\n141880\t142160\t﹚徐巧芯﹚\n158941\t181944\t這麼小的事情我們開得起玩笑可是呢臺北市警察局這麼大的事情坦白說我覺得我們開不起這個玩笑因為是面對所有的臺灣的臺北市的市民朋友尤其那個部長您是這個臺北人也做過我們松山信義區的議員當時也做得非常的好那如果您還是臺北市議員\n182645\t187506\t謝謝徐委員我剛剛說我要咖啡有我的喜好你給我的是茶有你的理由我都笑納我也不會跟你換回來\n211564\t226099\t你不會跟我換回來?那你不會覺得說我剛剛可以選的是茶可是咖啡可是你卻給我茶這件事情很詭異嗎?不會啊我說我選咖啡有我的喜好啊你給我茶有你的理由啊我都笑納謝謝\n226960\t252997\t所以你覺得說呢這樣子的一個溝通是沒有問題的這是百分之百能夠溝通那你也不覺得在整個過程當中跟台北市政府的溝通有任何的問題也不覺得你們當初丟了兩個選項結果呢蔣萬事長選了A你們給了B這件事情行政院在這裡的部分呢有溝通上面的問題未來需要調整嗎所以我知道你給我查的理由是什麼啊這個理由我就請部長來答覆你\n254117\t271822\t所以我知道是整個過程,那現在李熹和局長也真是﹖您知道的過程跟我了解的不太一樣,所以我們還是有溝通的問題。我想跟徐委員報告一下,臺北市警察總局的局長的部分,原來在簽成公文的時候就是由內政部來決定的。\n273023\t293694\t我們知道臺北市是首善之區,所以原先我請警政署把所有有可能可以擔任臺北市警察局局長的人選全部要簽報給我。在我們自己內部的過程當中,我們認為在報紙上有出現方雅玲這樣的名字之後,我有跟蔣萬山市長打電話\n296215\t297016\t徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯\n314650\t317232\t是,我們都知道,兩位都很優秀,我並不覺得李希和局長有什麼不好的地方。 我了解,我不覺得李希和局長有什麼不好的地方。\n338007\t347936\t我只是覺得如果提供了選項的話,那應該就是按照選項讓市長來選,而不是呢,所以他不是一個選項。好,我了解了,謝謝局長,我知道了,這樣我了解了,他從來不是一個選項。\n355283\t372243\t李熹和局長已經正式上任,我也期許他未來可以做得更好,但類似以後,所謂如果他是溝通或是選項或是派任,請直接跟市府講清楚,不要讓人家有不舒服的感覺。 不曉得我們部長,我們的這個院長可以承諾嗎?\n374493\t386666\t對,人事的安排有它一定的慣例,那這個過程我認為以後我們可以更精進的,跟臺北市保持更好的溝通,部長也是這樣的認為。部長請回,第二個我想要討論的是,卓部長您去過這個,院長對不起,\n393994\t413186\t您去過海巡署最近去做海巡署當海巡的靠山說遇到不法該吃足就去足我是非常認同您這樣子的一個說法的那去鼓勵海巡弟兄我也覺得很好因為他們真的很辛苦我們也不斷的在幫忙爭取更多的設備包含密錄器等等\n413826\t435672\t但是我想要詢問,院長您在巡視海巡署的時候並沒有提過過去的這個先前發生的驚嚇海域的事件。請問您知道驚嚇海域事件目前發生已經幾天了嗎?請我們的這個主委先不要回答。我問的是部長,我問的是院長,對不起,我一直口誤,不好意思。來,院長。\n439096\t445266\t對,已經115天了。那我想要請問一下您知道目前的遇難者現在的遺體在哪裡嗎?\n447028\t475282\t我問的是院長。我問的是院長。主委請您稍等。我問的是院長。這不是一個很難的問題。這不是一個很難的問題。我想要問的是院長。您知不知道他們...不是我沒有問你祭不祭拜的問題。我問的是位置。這些遇難者他們的遺體在哪?院長。主委有一直跟我說包括那天他有跟我說這件事情他們現在在處理的過程以及他們對於家屬\n476926\t479169\t我問的是他的遺體是否在哪裡,人在金門。 我是跟你確認一件事情而已,不要這麼緊張嘛。\n492944\t507502\t那呢我們可以看一下金門事件雙方的會談記事從2月23號開始前面有很多的協商但一直到3月3號以後就停擺了目前海巡署提供給我們的資料停擺不是在3月3日\n509845\t518435\t這是我跟你們公開所知你們回覆給我的資料。這是我們公開向海巡署所知的資料上面寫到的最後一場協商會議在3月13號。你們後來為什麼沒有繼續開協商會議?\n524261\t527182\t主席我問的是院長因為現在是我在跟院長質詢的時間院長請問一下在您上任之後\n554211\t557052\t五二零到現在十幾天當中我跟管主委就很多的\n574578\t575499\t徐巧芯徐巧芯\n604618\t630356\t我真的希望說我們可以積極的來處理因為我們難道賴清德總統四年的執政遺體要放在金門一千多天嗎這不是我們希望看到的所以我們給部長很大的期許主委很大的期許也給院長很大的期許希望能夠盡快的來再次開啟協商就算我們知道你們有一些困難有為難之處但也盡量的去做院長可以嗎\n631175\t653516\t那也請委員能夠聽一下主委到底困難在哪裡。困難在哪裡其實我們問過了嘛。您就說這個我給你一點時間說一下好不好。因為卡在對於我國的制度對方不予承認那問題關鍵都卡在說我們很希望人道優先來解決但是當以政治為前提來處理這件事情的時候真的就很難往前走。\n654236\t670450\t但是我們信於承諾我們沒有把這些內容都對外跟委員報告,如果能夠雙方都以人道為優先,而不是...我們一直都很努力,其實一直都很努力。 是。\n675954\t681016\t因為我們有承諾要保密,所以民眾沒有辦法指導人。因為我們對於中國的做法,我們保密而沒有對外,所以社會大眾並不了解,其實我們相當的善意。\n699082\t726064\t對,因為我們信守承諾,我們對中國有善意。不好意思,我剛剛已經給您回答的時間了,那請您尊重我的發言。因為這是新的議題。我們在講的是民眾對於這個有五成表示不滿意,結果我們的海委會主委管碧玲主委仍然被留任,代表包含我們的總統跟我們的院長也認為這件事情處理你們是滿意的嗎?那請問,最後我要問一下院長這個議題喔。\n727285\t729889\t在我們在任的每一天我們一定把它處理盡心盡力的處理但是這有雙方\n746767\t762154\t我懂我了解但我不希望遺體在賴清德上任的四年之間一千多天都放在金門這是我的想法那再來呢兩位可以請回了我們問另外一個問題喔最近很紅的是這個揮打的這個黃仁勳質詢長來到台灣\n765276\t780388\t他昨天晚上受訪的時候透露研發中心會靠近臺北我們臺灣人民都非常的興奮可是他同時提到電力確實是一個讓人擔憂的問題他要把AI超級電腦放在電力充沛的地方\n780868\t797087\t而臺灣美國商會6月的時候再一次發表白皮書,又再一次提到了臺灣需要強化的基礎設施,包含電價的穩定以及透明度,還有穩定的能源工地,包括七成的成員都對此表達了擔憂。\n798268\t798628\t現在更有趣了。\n818837\t838059\t我們來看看經濟部長跟行政院長的看法竟然不同。我們的郭部長,其實我很尊敬您。您那天講的很多談話,我其實支持跟認同的。臺電應該要照他們自己的努力去賺到錢,而不是永遠用臺我們的納稅人的錢去補貼。我是認同你的。\n838499\t863098\t但當時您說的是和二和三都可檢修測試安檢通過之後可以再用二三十年但是我們的行政院卻說這個呢我們還是一樣非核家園今天上午卓部長有被問到這個問題您也說你們兩邊說法沒有不同會確保電力穩定到2030年要非核家園那我就問那這樣來說的話我們原本\n865180\t885157\t蔡總統所承諾的是2025非核家園請問你們的非核家園是現在是20二幾是2030還是2025再加30還是2025再加20我們現在大家看不懂希望我們的部長、院長可以給我們一個比較清楚的回答我們先請院長好嗎\n886155\t898001\t我們只說非核家園是一個追求的目標,以前說2025因為經過公投那個年限已經不在,但是無論如何非核家園是人類應該努力追求的目標。 那何鶴章、何山有沒有考慮研議?\n905444\t910306\t徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯\n927790\t927950\t那你們會提出嗎?\n938626\t938806\t﹚徐巧芯﹚徐巧芯﹚\n958513\t976008\t然後前面不就白講,你說時間已經過了嘛,所以,好我只確認一件事情而已喔,其實我對經濟部長的說法我是很認同的,但我要問的是我們的院長,所以在您的任內,在賴清德政府的任內,和二和三不會研議,因為您說時間已經過了,這是確認的事實嗎?\n981032\t982053\t徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧\n1003416\t1009243\t對,所以我要問的是所謂的時間點的問題嘛,你們會讓他研議嗎?你剛剛說是因為核管法的關係已經做過了,所以我問,對,我問的是你們會因為希望核三能夠研議而提出院版的修法嗎?\n1023288\t1037234\t目前沒有這樣的考量,目前考量的是停役之後我們如何補全它這個停役所產生的電力上的損失。我們可以從其他的新興的電廠以及能多元綠能的開發,我們認為有辦法彌補停役一號機之後的所產生的這個缺口。\n1043076\t1070647\t這可以補上來的這樣我了解了,那我們部長可以請回因為下一個議題我們要問的是NCC的訴訟預算大幅增加那要討論NCC的事情那這個陳耀祥主委可以上來但請你不要講話因為你已經說你接下來沒有要做自稱為NCC的過客問你也沒有意思所以我想要問的還是我們的這個院長最近NCC又敗訴請問您知道是什麼案子敗訴了嗎\n1073844\t1101480\t五月十三日的時候請我們那個過客不要講話如果院長不知道的話我會提供參考我不會故意要考導你或什麼沒有那個意思是五月十三日的時候收到了判決書中天審然後我們那個議題是邱益穎委員說這個案子裡面中天審偷打怕死我都有看到但是請我們的過客不要一直騷擾我們的院長\n1102501\t1114193\t再來,鳳凰雲的事件在審3月20日有收到判決書,中天是勝訴的。我想要請問,上述兩件案子是否會申請在意?\n1114193\t1117616\t過客可以回答,沒有問題,因為您現在畢竟還是主委嘛。來,過客請。\n1120298\t1128864\t報告委員,基本上來講在審的案件,如果我們,那個是我們原來敗訴提在審,那只是一個意思而已。 這兩件都會提?\n1128864\t1133126\t那個沒有,確定就確定了,就是這樣子。 好,所以這兩件都沒了?\n1133126\t1144554\t沒有,不是沒了,就是確定中天生,但是我們另外還有16件案只是確定中天勝訴的。 沒有,我問你的是這兩件嘛,你都過課了以後也不關你的事,我問的是這兩件,就結束了嘛,對不對?\n1144554\t1144574\t好。\n1145154\t1173651\t沒有問題那我想要請問的院長喔是上面幾個主要幫你列出很多你的這個螢幕板上面可以看到齁那在這個目前很多還有這個各種的上訴喔那其中關於中天不予換照的條件裡面一審是中天勝訴那目前NCC上訴當中請問您的態度跟立場是什麼這一題請我們的過客先不要不要不要打pass喔我看很清楚喔您都說您是過客來院長\n1174531\t1202311\t通傳會啊,它如果是一個獨立性機關啊,那我的態度不重要,是他們委員自己討論才重要。OK,好,很好。行政院4月30號函送了NCC的委員,好的,名單到立法院裡面。那請問您有瞭解過他們對於這些訴訟案的立場嗎?還是因為您認為是獨立機關,所以你只選人?對於他們所有的名單,對於所謂要不要上訴這件事情的立場,您是不清楚的?\n1202964\t1228239\t跟委員報告,這個名單是陳建仁院長所送來的。是,那您本,因為您也要交接嘛,你不能說陳建仁的,那您總是跟陳建仁院長有些交接吧?雖然政權是延續的,但是不在其位就不謀其政。陳院長沒有跟我討論到。沒有討論,那您也沒有跟這名單上面的委員詢問過他們對於中天案是否還要上去的立場。沒有嘛,對不對。\n1229019\t1236053\t那如果這些委員他們都是堅持要上訴的話,您覺得這份名單在立法院會被接受嗎?\n1236053\t1237356\t的可能性高嗎?\n1237356\t1238178\t在以現在的國會環境來說。\n1239653\t1261105\t那既然要經過大院的同意那就是大院的委員先進門再做決定。好那當時一審敗訴的時候喔NCC還發了新聞稿說很遺憾會上訴喔那如果我們的這個NCC委員有一樣的看法的話我們擔心的是浪費大家的納稅錢我們可以看一下先前我有跟這個過客主委討論過這個事情喔\n1262546\t1262886\t任何機關捍衛自己\n1292875\t1300079\t我同意我同意但是呢你可以看到以前我們需要的訴訟費跟法律諮詢費用181920這也都是民進黨執政期間啊都是只有編很少150萬而已\n1312705\t1333734\t可是從202121、22、23年的時候暴增到1310萬元這樣子的一個條幅那難道不是因為NCC出了很多的事情然後導致很多的官司官司我前面還幫你做了這個列表每打一次官司每一次的訴訟都會花更多納稅人的錢嘛所以我問院長的問題是\n1335054\t1341417\t您覺得接下來在您的任內在NCC的這個法律訴訟費跟諮詢費會高於2023年還是會低於2023年?\n1346378\t1366310\t過去為什麼這樣高我想再請主委說明一下。 這我都知道了我都問過了我問的問題很簡單我只問編列預算的部分我理解過客過客我知道我問的是未來因為你之後已經沒有要再做主委了所以我要問的是2024的預算跟您是沒有關係的\n1367190\t1393980\t如果您接下來要繼續接主委我會問您也會讓您表達意見但我要問的是2024年行政院的預算會比2023年高還是會比2023年低這個問題只有我們的院長能夠幫我們回答好回答委員2024年的預算現在已經在執行當中了他就必須到預算書裡面所定的來執行而是所以我的問題是會比較高還是比較低嗎就照預算書裡面的\n1395171\t1396851\t徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯\n1419857\t1421718\t徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯\n1438546\t1464449\t我們在112年是1100多萬嘛,那2023年來講,2024來講也是差不多這個錢,多一點點。 差不多齁,真的過客齁。部長我希望您可以把數字搞清楚,會後跟我回覆,因為我都在大院裡面詢問了,那具體的數字前幾年我都列出了,我問你一個2024,甚至我問2025都不為過,那結果得到的是這樣子的答案,我很遺憾。\n1465229\t1484517\t最後我要問喔,如果NCC的最後就是中天案的最後敗訴確定的話,請問已經被關掉的中天52台應該要如何救濟?他們能夠重新回到電視台的頻道嗎?能夠重回52台嗎?我們有沒有針對這個部分有相關的想定?\n1486496\t1489837\t密密麻麻的中央政策三年來台北市自籌負擔了381億我把所有都寫給大家看了\n1507882\t1536768\t這些都是屬於我們中央提出了很多我也很支持是好的政策但是呢一大堆都是地方買單的所以三年來臺北市自籌負擔了381億那最近因為在討論才化法的關係所以我們具體三個建議那這個部長可以不用回覆因為我是講我們的建議而已那您能夠做你們做但不能做的話我們會後做討論我時間很有限首先是我們希望\n1537868\t1560198\t銀業稅百分之百回歸為地方財源其中百分之五十按照各地的盈利事業而分配百分之五十納入統籌第二個部分是保障社福教育基本設施的一般性補助款第三個是我們不能每次都是中央宣布了一個大的政策最後由地方來買單已經有很多次這樣的事情剛剛說過了有381億\n1562739\t1574232\t所以這是我們希望能夠做到的部分。 那我想要請我們的院長簡單說明一下您的看法。 不用講太長,因為才化法本來就還在漫長的討論當中。 來,院長。\n1576465\t1594575\t我相信委員應該同意這種才化法的這種內容的設計是一個非常精密的工程 同意第三點中央請客片面決定之後地方買單但是中央在各個地方做了那麼多的公共建設這麼多的軌道工程\n1594915\t1595675\t﹚徐巧芯﹚徐巧芯﹚\n1621863\t1641673\t我跟委員報告一件很慚愧的事情,我在臺北市議會待過,我也在立法院待過,身為一個臺北市出來的民意代表,我從來沒有為臺北市爭取過一塊錢的預算,因為臺北市的錢確實是不少,其他地方需要的縣市更多。我們如果從均衡臺灣的理念來看,我們更應該有一個口號。\n1644994\t1656384\t我們過去有這個嘛,對不對?臺北市的預算確實是很多。所以我們問的是說會不會保留?那您的意思看起來是會還是不會?還是不確定?是是是。好。\n1660928\t1677761\t這個經驗來看臺北市的預算確實是蠻多的。好那我們接下來你說預算蠻多的可是我也有很多基礎的建設希望行政院可以來幫忙。我們應該均衡臺灣跟其他縣市。我理解我理解我們要談論是下一個主題了齁。才化法是一條漫長的路我們會慢慢的穩健的來走。\n1679102\t1695359\t再來是呢0403的大地震對於各個區域來說都有很多的損害的地方那在臺北市尤其您剛說了您是臺北市議員出生的跟我一樣我相信您對臺北市有共同的情感\n1696019\t1711152\t我們看到4月3日臺北市也有很多的災損,包含是屋頂房漏,我們直接給大家看這個圖片,屋頂房漏廁所跑道整修工程,我們向中央申請了2.13億,中央也謝謝你們合撥了64.8%,臺北市有自籌的部分,\n1714915\t1715155\t﹚徐巧芯\n1745495\t1746096\t﹚徐巧芯﹚\n1766988\t1790754\t包括這7年來總預算粗估420億財源地方自籌的話臺北市就算您說的我們是有比其他縣市有錢一些但是呢也籌說只到40億還需要很多為期7年的計劃需要我們行政院來補助想請問關於校舍提供臺北市補助這一塊我們院長能否承諾來協助\n1792148\t1808309\t我跟委員一樣關心公共安全,與其學校的校舍又牽涉到學生的安全。但是如果是屬於地方知識事項,我還是認為地方政府應該勇敢的負擔起這個責任。可是很多像包含是台中啊、其他建設、其他學校,我們中央都有做比較多的補助啊。\n1809150\t1809330\t﹚徐巧芯﹚\n1840094\t1840265\t徐巧芯\n","txt":"接下來我們請登記第11號徐巧芯委員質詢。謝謝院長,那我們想請卓部長再請卓院長備詢卓院長,對不起\n徐委員好院長好首先要先恭喜您上任那體恤您在這裡呢要質詢也備詢一整天喔想說呢請你喝一杯飲料不曉得你平常比較喜歡喝茶還是咖啡呢咖啡咖啡喔好那院長才是請您才是我同意把一杯茶可以拿給我們院長當然可以啊好謝謝來請喝茶\n謝謝來我們在看到這個投影片上面大大的兩個字我想院長應該也看得很明白叫做選擇院長剛剛您說您喜歡喝咖啡那我呢去給了您一杯茶\n我們看一下教育部的國語辭典修訂本上面,對於選擇的解釋是什麼?選擇、挑選、領選、檢選、抉擇、選取之欲。\n通常叫做你選了A就給A不是你選了A就給B可是今天很遺憾的是在臺北市的警察局的人事上面我們在內政部上面照理來說我們給臺北市長來選警察局局長的人選可是呢臺北市長選了A之後你們卻給了B最後告訴我們說這是溝通不良\n我們可以看到整個時間序,5月27號的時候,我們部長致電蔣萬恩市長問有沒有屬意的人選,然後蔣萬恩市長其實我覺得態度也不錯,他說中央可以給我們名單相關資料,然後當天開給方仰明跟李希和兩個人的名單。\n﹚徐巧芯﹚\n這麼小的事情我們開得起玩笑可是呢臺北市警察局這麼大的事情坦白說我覺得我們開不起這個玩笑因為是面對所有的臺灣的臺北市的市民朋友尤其那個部長您是這個臺北人也做過我們松山信義區的議員當時也做得非常的好那如果您還是臺北市議員\n謝謝徐委員我剛剛說我要咖啡有我的喜好你給我的是茶有你的理由我都笑納我也不會跟你換回來\n你不會跟我換回來?那你不會覺得說我剛剛可以選的是茶可是咖啡可是你卻給我茶這件事情很詭異嗎?不會啊我說我選咖啡有我的喜好啊你給我茶有你的理由啊我都笑納謝謝\n所以你覺得說呢這樣子的一個溝通是沒有問題的這是百分之百能夠溝通那你也不覺得在整個過程當中跟台北市政府的溝通有任何的問題也不覺得你們當初丟了兩個選項結果呢蔣萬事長選了A你們給了B這件事情行政院在這裡的部分呢有溝通上面的問題未來需要調整嗎所以我知道你給我查的理由是什麼啊這個理由我就請部長來答覆你\n所以我知道是整個過程,那現在李熹和局長也真是﹖您知道的過程跟我了解的不太一樣,所以我們還是有溝通的問題。我想跟徐委員報告一下,臺北市警察總局的局長的部分,原來在簽成公文的時候就是由內政部來決定的。\n我們知道臺北市是首善之區,所以原先我請警政署把所有有可能可以擔任臺北市警察局局長的人選全部要簽報給我。在我們自己內部的過程當中,我們認為在報紙上有出現方雅玲這樣的名字之後,我有跟蔣萬山市長打電話\n徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯\n是,我們都知道,兩位都很優秀,我並不覺得李希和局長有什麼不好的地方。 我了解,我不覺得李希和局長有什麼不好的地方。\n我只是覺得如果提供了選項的話,那應該就是按照選項讓市長來選,而不是呢,所以他不是一個選項。好,我了解了,謝謝局長,我知道了,這樣我了解了,他從來不是一個選項。\n李熹和局長已經正式上任,我也期許他未來可以做得更好,但類似以後,所謂如果他是溝通或是選項或是派任,請直接跟市府講清楚,不要讓人家有不舒服的感覺。 不曉得我們部長,我們的這個院長可以承諾嗎?\n對,人事的安排有它一定的慣例,那這個過程我認為以後我們可以更精進的,跟臺北市保持更好的溝通,部長也是這樣的認為。部長請回,第二個我想要討論的是,卓部長您去過這個,院長對不起,\n您去過海巡署最近去做海巡署當海巡的靠山說遇到不法該吃足就去足我是非常認同您這樣子的一個說法的那去鼓勵海巡弟兄我也覺得很好因為他們真的很辛苦我們也不斷的在幫忙爭取更多的設備包含密錄器等等\n但是我想要詢問,院長您在巡視海巡署的時候並沒有提過過去的這個先前發生的驚嚇海域的事件。請問您知道驚嚇海域事件目前發生已經幾天了嗎?請我們的這個主委先不要回答。我問的是部長,我問的是院長,對不起,我一直口誤,不好意思。來,院長。\n對,已經115天了。那我想要請問一下您知道目前的遇難者現在的遺體在哪裡嗎?\n我問的是院長。我問的是院長。主委請您稍等。我問的是院長。這不是一個很難的問題。這不是一個很難的問題。我想要問的是院長。您知不知道他們...不是我沒有問你祭不祭拜的問題。我問的是位置。這些遇難者他們的遺體在哪?院長。主委有一直跟我說包括那天他有跟我說這件事情他們現在在處理的過程以及他們對於家屬\n我問的是他的遺體是否在哪裡,人在金門。 我是跟你確認一件事情而已,不要這麼緊張嘛。\n那呢我們可以看一下金門事件雙方的會談記事從2月23號開始前面有很多的協商但一直到3月3號以後就停擺了目前海巡署提供給我們的資料停擺不是在3月3日\n這是我跟你們公開所知你們回覆給我的資料。這是我們公開向海巡署所知的資料上面寫到的最後一場協商會議在3月13號。你們後來為什麼沒有繼續開協商會議?\n主席我問的是院長因為現在是我在跟院長質詢的時間院長請問一下在您上任之後\n五二零到現在十幾天當中我跟管主委就很多的\n徐巧芯徐巧芯\n我真的希望說我們可以積極的來處理因為我們難道賴清德總統四年的執政遺體要放在金門一千多天嗎這不是我們希望看到的所以我們給部長很大的期許主委很大的期許也給院長很大的期許希望能夠盡快的來再次開啟協商就算我們知道你們有一些困難有為難之處但也盡量的去做院長可以嗎\n那也請委員能夠聽一下主委到底困難在哪裡。困難在哪裡其實我們問過了嘛。您就說這個我給你一點時間說一下好不好。因為卡在對於我國的制度對方不予承認那問題關鍵都卡在說我們很希望人道優先來解決但是當以政治為前提來處理這件事情的時候真的就很難往前走。\n但是我們信於承諾我們沒有把這些內容都對外跟委員報告,如果能夠雙方都以人道為優先,而不是...我們一直都很努力,其實一直都很努力。 是。\n因為我們有承諾要保密,所以民眾沒有辦法指導人。因為我們對於中國的做法,我們保密而沒有對外,所以社會大眾並不了解,其實我們相當的善意。\n對,因為我們信守承諾,我們對中國有善意。不好意思,我剛剛已經給您回答的時間了,那請您尊重我的發言。因為這是新的議題。我們在講的是民眾對於這個有五成表示不滿意,結果我們的海委會主委管碧玲主委仍然被留任,代表包含我們的總統跟我們的院長也認為這件事情處理你們是滿意的嗎?那請問,最後我要問一下院長這個議題喔。\n在我們在任的每一天我們一定把它處理盡心盡力的處理但是這有雙方\n我懂我了解但我不希望遺體在賴清德上任的四年之間一千多天都放在金門這是我的想法那再來呢兩位可以請回了我們問另外一個問題喔最近很紅的是這個揮打的這個黃仁勳質詢長來到台灣\n他昨天晚上受訪的時候透露研發中心會靠近臺北我們臺灣人民都非常的興奮可是他同時提到電力確實是一個讓人擔憂的問題他要把AI超級電腦放在電力充沛的地方\n而臺灣美國商會6月的時候再一次發表白皮書,又再一次提到了臺灣需要強化的基礎設施,包含電價的穩定以及透明度,還有穩定的能源工地,包括七成的成員都對此表達了擔憂。\n現在更有趣了。\n我們來看看經濟部長跟行政院長的看法竟然不同。我們的郭部長,其實我很尊敬您。您那天講的很多談話,我其實支持跟認同的。臺電應該要照他們自己的努力去賺到錢,而不是永遠用臺我們的納稅人的錢去補貼。我是認同你的。\n但當時您說的是和二和三都可檢修測試安檢通過之後可以再用二三十年但是我們的行政院卻說這個呢我們還是一樣非核家園今天上午卓部長有被問到這個問題您也說你們兩邊說法沒有不同會確保電力穩定到2030年要非核家園那我就問那這樣來說的話我們原本\n蔡總統所承諾的是2025非核家園請問你們的非核家園是現在是20二幾是2030還是2025再加30還是2025再加20我們現在大家看不懂希望我們的部長、院長可以給我們一個比較清楚的回答我們先請院長好嗎\n我們只說非核家園是一個追求的目標,以前說2025因為經過公投那個年限已經不在,但是無論如何非核家園是人類應該努力追求的目標。 那何鶴章、何山有沒有考慮研議?\n徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯\n那你們會提出嗎?\n﹚徐巧芯﹚徐巧芯﹚\n然後前面不就白講,你說時間已經過了嘛,所以,好我只確認一件事情而已喔,其實我對經濟部長的說法我是很認同的,但我要問的是我們的院長,所以在您的任內,在賴清德政府的任內,和二和三不會研議,因為您說時間已經過了,這是確認的事實嗎?\n徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧\n對,所以我要問的是所謂的時間點的問題嘛,你們會讓他研議嗎?你剛剛說是因為核管法的關係已經做過了,所以我問,對,我問的是你們會因為希望核三能夠研議而提出院版的修法嗎?\n目前沒有這樣的考量,目前考量的是停役之後我們如何補全它這個停役所產生的電力上的損失。我們可以從其他的新興的電廠以及能多元綠能的開發,我們認為有辦法彌補停役一號機之後的所產生的這個缺口。\n這可以補上來的這樣我了解了,那我們部長可以請回因為下一個議題我們要問的是NCC的訴訟預算大幅增加那要討論NCC的事情那這個陳耀祥主委可以上來但請你不要講話因為你已經說你接下來沒有要做自稱為NCC的過客問你也沒有意思所以我想要問的還是我們的這個院長最近NCC又敗訴請問您知道是什麼案子敗訴了嗎\n五月十三日的時候請我們那個過客不要講話如果院長不知道的話我會提供參考我不會故意要考導你或什麼沒有那個意思是五月十三日的時候收到了判決書中天審然後我們那個議題是邱益穎委員說這個案子裡面中天審偷打怕死我都有看到但是請我們的過客不要一直騷擾我們的院長\n再來,鳳凰雲的事件在審3月20日有收到判決書,中天是勝訴的。我想要請問,上述兩件案子是否會申請在意?\n過客可以回答,沒有問題,因為您現在畢竟還是主委嘛。來,過客請。\n報告委員,基本上來講在審的案件,如果我們,那個是我們原來敗訴提在審,那只是一個意思而已。 這兩件都會提?\n那個沒有,確定就確定了,就是這樣子。 好,所以這兩件都沒了?\n沒有,不是沒了,就是確定中天生,但是我們另外還有16件案只是確定中天勝訴的。 沒有,我問你的是這兩件嘛,你都過課了以後也不關你的事,我問的是這兩件,就結束了嘛,對不對?\n好。\n沒有問題那我想要請問的院長喔是上面幾個主要幫你列出很多你的這個螢幕板上面可以看到齁那在這個目前很多還有這個各種的上訴喔那其中關於中天不予換照的條件裡面一審是中天勝訴那目前NCC上訴當中請問您的態度跟立場是什麼這一題請我們的過客先不要不要不要打pass喔我看很清楚喔您都說您是過客來院長\n通傳會啊,它如果是一個獨立性機關啊,那我的態度不重要,是他們委員自己討論才重要。OK,好,很好。行政院4月30號函送了NCC的委員,好的,名單到立法院裡面。那請問您有瞭解過他們對於這些訴訟案的立場嗎?還是因為您認為是獨立機關,所以你只選人?對於他們所有的名單,對於所謂要不要上訴這件事情的立場,您是不清楚的?\n跟委員報告,這個名單是陳建仁院長所送來的。是,那您本,因為您也要交接嘛,你不能說陳建仁的,那您總是跟陳建仁院長有些交接吧?雖然政權是延續的,但是不在其位就不謀其政。陳院長沒有跟我討論到。沒有討論,那您也沒有跟這名單上面的委員詢問過他們對於中天案是否還要上去的立場。沒有嘛,對不對。\n那如果這些委員他們都是堅持要上訴的話,您覺得這份名單在立法院會被接受嗎?\n的可能性高嗎?\n在以現在的國會環境來說。\n那既然要經過大院的同意那就是大院的委員先進門再做決定。好那當時一審敗訴的時候喔NCC還發了新聞稿說很遺憾會上訴喔那如果我們的這個NCC委員有一樣的看法的話我們擔心的是浪費大家的納稅錢我們可以看一下先前我有跟這個過客主委討論過這個事情喔\n任何機關捍衛自己\n我同意我同意但是呢你可以看到以前我們需要的訴訟費跟法律諮詢費用181920這也都是民進黨執政期間啊都是只有編很少150萬而已\n可是從202121、22、23年的時候暴增到1310萬元這樣子的一個條幅那難道不是因為NCC出了很多的事情然後導致很多的官司官司我前面還幫你做了這個列表每打一次官司每一次的訴訟都會花更多納稅人的錢嘛所以我問院長的問題是\n您覺得接下來在您的任內在NCC的這個法律訴訟費跟諮詢費會高於2023年還是會低於2023年?\n過去為什麼這樣高我想再請主委說明一下。 這我都知道了我都問過了我問的問題很簡單我只問編列預算的部分我理解過客過客我知道我問的是未來因為你之後已經沒有要再做主委了所以我要問的是2024的預算跟您是沒有關係的\n如果您接下來要繼續接主委我會問您也會讓您表達意見但我要問的是2024年行政院的預算會比2023年高還是會比2023年低這個問題只有我們的院長能夠幫我們回答好回答委員2024年的預算現在已經在執行當中了他就必須到預算書裡面所定的來執行而是所以我的問題是會比較高還是比較低嗎就照預算書裡面的\n徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯\n徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯\n我們在112年是1100多萬嘛,那2023年來講,2024來講也是差不多這個錢,多一點點。 差不多齁,真的過客齁。部長我希望您可以把數字搞清楚,會後跟我回覆,因為我都在大院裡面詢問了,那具體的數字前幾年我都列出了,我問你一個2024,甚至我問2025都不為過,那結果得到的是這樣子的答案,我很遺憾。\n最後我要問喔,如果NCC的最後就是中天案的最後敗訴確定的話,請問已經被關掉的中天52台應該要如何救濟?他們能夠重新回到電視台的頻道嗎?能夠重回52台嗎?我們有沒有針對這個部分有相關的想定?\n密密麻麻的中央政策三年來台北市自籌負擔了381億我把所有都寫給大家看了\n這些都是屬於我們中央提出了很多我也很支持是好的政策但是呢一大堆都是地方買單的所以三年來臺北市自籌負擔了381億那最近因為在討論才化法的關係所以我們具體三個建議那這個部長可以不用回覆因為我是講我們的建議而已那您能夠做你們做但不能做的話我們會後做討論我時間很有限首先是我們希望\n銀業稅百分之百回歸為地方財源其中百分之五十按照各地的盈利事業而分配百分之五十納入統籌第二個部分是保障社福教育基本設施的一般性補助款第三個是我們不能每次都是中央宣布了一個大的政策最後由地方來買單已經有很多次這樣的事情剛剛說過了有381億\n所以這是我們希望能夠做到的部分。 那我想要請我們的院長簡單說明一下您的看法。 不用講太長,因為才化法本來就還在漫長的討論當中。 來,院長。\n我相信委員應該同意這種才化法的這種內容的設計是一個非常精密的工程 同意第三點中央請客片面決定之後地方買單但是中央在各個地方做了那麼多的公共建設這麼多的軌道工程\n﹚徐巧芯﹚徐巧芯﹚\n我跟委員報告一件很慚愧的事情,我在臺北市議會待過,我也在立法院待過,身為一個臺北市出來的民意代表,我從來沒有為臺北市爭取過一塊錢的預算,因為臺北市的錢確實是不少,其他地方需要的縣市更多。我們如果從均衡臺灣的理念來看,我們更應該有一個口號。\n我們過去有這個嘛,對不對?臺北市的預算確實是很多。所以我們問的是說會不會保留?那您的意思看起來是會還是不會?還是不確定?是是是。好。\n這個經驗來看臺北市的預算確實是蠻多的。好那我們接下來你說預算蠻多的可是我也有很多基礎的建設希望行政院可以來幫忙。我們應該均衡臺灣跟其他縣市。我理解我理解我們要談論是下一個主題了齁。才化法是一條漫長的路我們會慢慢的穩健的來走。\n再來是呢0403的大地震對於各個區域來說都有很多的損害的地方那在臺北市尤其您剛說了您是臺北市議員出生的跟我一樣我相信您對臺北市有共同的情感\n我們看到4月3日臺北市也有很多的災損,包含是屋頂房漏,我們直接給大家看這個圖片,屋頂房漏廁所跑道整修工程,我們向中央申請了2.13億,中央也謝謝你們合撥了64.8%,臺北市有自籌的部分,\n﹚徐巧芯\n﹚徐巧芯﹚\n包括這7年來總預算粗估420億財源地方自籌的話臺北市就算您說的我們是有比其他縣市有錢一些但是呢也籌說只到40億還需要很多為期7年的計劃需要我們行政院來補助想請問關於校舍提供臺北市補助這一塊我們院長能否承諾來協助\n我跟委員一樣關心公共安全,與其學校的校舍又牽涉到學生的安全。但是如果是屬於地方知識事項,我還是認為地方政府應該勇敢的負擔起這個責任。可是很多像包含是台中啊、其他建設、其他學校,我們中央都有做比較多的補助啊。\n﹚徐巧芯﹚\n徐巧芯\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.549 --> 00:24.081\n接下來我們請登記第11號徐巧芯委員質詢。謝謝院長,那我們想請卓部長再請卓院長備詢卓院長,對不起\n\n00:32.543 --> 00:57.956\n徐委員好院長好首先要先恭喜您上任那體恤您在這裡呢要質詢也備詢一整天喔想說呢請你喝一杯飲料不曉得你平常比較喜歡喝茶還是咖啡呢咖啡咖啡喔好那院長才是請您才是我同意把一杯茶可以拿給我們院長當然可以啊好謝謝來請喝茶\n\n01:05.254 --> 01:17.361\n謝謝來我們在看到這個投影片上面大大的兩個字我想院長應該也看得很明白叫做選擇院長剛剛您說您喜歡喝咖啡那我呢去給了您一杯茶\n\n01:18.041 --> 01:19.983\n我們看一下教育部的國語辭典修訂本上面,對於選擇的解釋是什麼?選擇、挑選、領選、檢選、抉擇、選取之欲。\n\n01:38.197 --> 02:01.497\n通常叫做你選了A就給A不是你選了A就給B可是今天很遺憾的是在臺北市的警察局的人事上面我們在內政部上面照理來說我們給臺北市長來選警察局局長的人選可是呢臺北市長選了A之後你們卻給了B最後告訴我們說這是溝通不良\n\n02:02.037 --> 02:21.059\n我們可以看到整個時間序,5月27號的時候,我們部長致電蔣萬恩市長問有沒有屬意的人選,然後蔣萬恩市長其實我覺得態度也不錯,他說中央可以給我們名單相關資料,然後當天開給方仰明跟李希和兩個人的名單。\n\n02:21.880 --> 02:22.160\n﹚徐巧芯﹚\n\n02:38.941 --> 03:01.944\n這麼小的事情我們開得起玩笑可是呢臺北市警察局這麼大的事情坦白說我覺得我們開不起這個玩笑因為是面對所有的臺灣的臺北市的市民朋友尤其那個部長您是這個臺北人也做過我們松山信義區的議員當時也做得非常的好那如果您還是臺北市議員\n\n03:02.645 --> 03:07.506\n謝謝徐委員我剛剛說我要咖啡有我的喜好你給我的是茶有你的理由我都笑納我也不會跟你換回來\n\n03:31.564 --> 03:46.099\n你不會跟我換回來?那你不會覺得說我剛剛可以選的是茶可是咖啡可是你卻給我茶這件事情很詭異嗎?不會啊我說我選咖啡有我的喜好啊你給我茶有你的理由啊我都笑納謝謝\n\n03:46.960 --> 04:12.997\n所以你覺得說呢這樣子的一個溝通是沒有問題的這是百分之百能夠溝通那你也不覺得在整個過程當中跟台北市政府的溝通有任何的問題也不覺得你們當初丟了兩個選項結果呢蔣萬事長選了A你們給了B這件事情行政院在這裡的部分呢有溝通上面的問題未來需要調整嗎所以我知道你給我查的理由是什麼啊這個理由我就請部長來答覆你\n\n04:14.117 --> 04:31.822\n所以我知道是整個過程,那現在李熹和局長也真是﹖您知道的過程跟我了解的不太一樣,所以我們還是有溝通的問題。我想跟徐委員報告一下,臺北市警察總局的局長的部分,原來在簽成公文的時候就是由內政部來決定的。\n\n04:33.023 --> 04:53.694\n我們知道臺北市是首善之區,所以原先我請警政署把所有有可能可以擔任臺北市警察局局長的人選全部要簽報給我。在我們自己內部的過程當中,我們認為在報紙上有出現方雅玲這樣的名字之後,我有跟蔣萬山市長打電話\n\n04:56.215 --> 04:57.016\n徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯\n\n05:14.650 --> 05:17.232\n是,我們都知道,兩位都很優秀,我並不覺得李希和局長有什麼不好的地方。我了解,我不覺得李希和局長有什麼不好的地方。\n\n05:38.007 --> 05:47.936\n我只是覺得如果提供了選項的話,那應該就是按照選項讓市長來選,而不是呢,所以他不是一個選項。好,我了解了,謝謝局長,我知道了,這樣我了解了,他從來不是一個選項。\n\n05:55.283 --> 06:12.243\n李熹和局長已經正式上任,我也期許他未來可以做得更好,但類似以後,所謂如果他是溝通或是選項或是派任,請直接跟市府講清楚,不要讓人家有不舒服的感覺。不曉得我們部長,我們的這個院長可以承諾嗎?\n\n06:14.493 --> 06:26.666\n對,人事的安排有它一定的慣例,那這個過程我認為以後我們可以更精進的,跟臺北市保持更好的溝通,部長也是這樣的認為。部長請回,第二個我想要討論的是,卓部長您去過這個,院長對不起,\n\n06:33.994 --> 06:53.186\n您去過海巡署最近去做海巡署當海巡的靠山說遇到不法該吃足就去足我是非常認同您這樣子的一個說法的那去鼓勵海巡弟兄我也覺得很好因為他們真的很辛苦我們也不斷的在幫忙爭取更多的設備包含密錄器等等\n\n06:53.826 --> 07:15.672\n但是我想要詢問,院長您在巡視海巡署的時候並沒有提過過去的這個先前發生的驚嚇海域的事件。請問您知道驚嚇海域事件目前發生已經幾天了嗎?請我們的這個主委先不要回答。我問的是部長,我問的是院長,對不起,我一直口誤,不好意思。來,院長。\n\n07:19.096 --> 07:25.266\n對,已經115天了。那我想要請問一下您知道目前的遇難者現在的遺體在哪裡嗎?\n\n07:27.028 --> 07:55.282\n我問的是院長。我問的是院長。主委請您稍等。我問的是院長。這不是一個很難的問題。這不是一個很難的問題。我想要問的是院長。您知不知道他們...不是我沒有問你祭不祭拜的問題。我問的是位置。這些遇難者他們的遺體在哪?院長。主委有一直跟我說包括那天他有跟我說這件事情他們現在在處理的過程以及他們對於家屬\n\n07:56.926 --> 07:59.169\n我問的是他的遺體是否在哪裡,人在金門。我是跟你確認一件事情而已,不要這麼緊張嘛。\n\n08:12.944 --> 08:27.502\n那呢我們可以看一下金門事件雙方的會談記事從2月23號開始前面有很多的協商但一直到3月3號以後就停擺了目前海巡署提供給我們的資料停擺不是在3月3日\n\n08:29.845 --> 08:38.435\n這是我跟你們公開所知你們回覆給我的資料。這是我們公開向海巡署所知的資料上面寫到的最後一場協商會議在3月13號。你們後來為什麼沒有繼續開協商會議?\n\n08:44.261 --> 08:47.182\n主席我問的是院長因為現在是我在跟院長質詢的時間院長請問一下在您上任之後\n\n09:14.211 --> 09:17.052\n五二零到現在十幾天當中我跟管主委就很多的\n\n09:34.578 --> 09:35.499\n徐巧芯徐巧芯\n\n10:04.618 --> 10:30.356\n我真的希望說我們可以積極的來處理因為我們難道賴清德總統四年的執政遺體要放在金門一千多天嗎這不是我們希望看到的所以我們給部長很大的期許主委很大的期許也給院長很大的期許希望能夠盡快的來再次開啟協商就算我們知道你們有一些困難有為難之處但也盡量的去做院長可以嗎\n\n10:31.175 --> 10:53.516\n那也請委員能夠聽一下主委到底困難在哪裡。困難在哪裡其實我們問過了嘛。您就說這個我給你一點時間說一下好不好。因為卡在對於我國的制度對方不予承認那問題關鍵都卡在說我們很希望人道優先來解決但是當以政治為前提來處理這件事情的時候真的就很難往前走。\n\n10:54.236 --> 11:10.450\n但是我們信於承諾我們沒有把這些內容都對外跟委員報告,如果能夠雙方都以人道為優先,而不是...我們一直都很努力,其實一直都很努力。是。\n\n11:15.954 --> 11:21.016\n因為我們有承諾要保密,所以民眾沒有辦法指導人。因為我們對於中國的做法,我們保密而沒有對外,所以社會大眾並不了解,其實我們相當的善意。\n\n11:39.082 --> 12:06.064\n對,因為我們信守承諾,我們對中國有善意。不好意思,我剛剛已經給您回答的時間了,那請您尊重我的發言。因為這是新的議題。我們在講的是民眾對於這個有五成表示不滿意,結果我們的海委會主委管碧玲主委仍然被留任,代表包含我們的總統跟我們的院長也認為這件事情處理你們是滿意的嗎?那請問,最後我要問一下院長這個議題喔。\n\n12:07.285 --> 12:09.889\n在我們在任的每一天我們一定把它處理盡心盡力的處理但是這有雙方\n\n12:26.767 --> 12:42.154\n我懂我了解但我不希望遺體在賴清德上任的四年之間一千多天都放在金門這是我的想法那再來呢兩位可以請回了我們問另外一個問題喔最近很紅的是這個揮打的這個黃仁勳質詢長來到台灣\n\n12:45.276 --> 13:00.388\n他昨天晚上受訪的時候透露研發中心會靠近臺北我們臺灣人民都非常的興奮可是他同時提到電力確實是一個讓人擔憂的問題他要把AI超級電腦放在電力充沛的地方\n\n13:00.868 --> 13:17.087\n而臺灣美國商會6月的時候再一次發表白皮書,又再一次提到了臺灣需要強化的基礎設施,包含電價的穩定以及透明度,還有穩定的能源工地,包括七成的成員都對此表達了擔憂。\n\n13:18.268 --> 13:18.628\n現在更有趣了。\n\n13:38.837 --> 13:58.059\n我們來看看經濟部長跟行政院長的看法竟然不同。我們的郭部長,其實我很尊敬您。您那天講的很多談話,我其實支持跟認同的。臺電應該要照他們自己的努力去賺到錢,而不是永遠用臺我們的納稅人的錢去補貼。我是認同你的。\n\n13:58.499 --> 14:23.098\n但當時您說的是和二和三都可檢修測試安檢通過之後可以再用二三十年但是我們的行政院卻說這個呢我們還是一樣非核家園今天上午卓部長有被問到這個問題您也說你們兩邊說法沒有不同會確保電力穩定到2030年要非核家園那我就問那這樣來說的話我們原本\n\n14:25.180 --> 14:45.157\n蔡總統所承諾的是2025非核家園請問你們的非核家園是現在是20二幾是2030還是2025再加30還是2025再加20我們現在大家看不懂希望我們的部長、院長可以給我們一個比較清楚的回答我們先請院長好嗎\n\n14:46.155 --> 14:58.001\n我們只說非核家園是一個追求的目標,以前說2025因為經過公投那個年限已經不在,但是無論如何非核家園是人類應該努力追求的目標。那何鶴章、何山有沒有考慮研議?\n\n15:05.444 --> 15:10.306\n徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯\n\n15:27.790 --> 15:27.950\n那你們會提出嗎?\n\n15:38.626 --> 15:38.806\n﹚徐巧芯﹚徐巧芯﹚\n\n15:58.513 --> 16:16.008\n然後前面不就白講,你說時間已經過了嘛,所以,好我只確認一件事情而已喔,其實我對經濟部長的說法我是很認同的,但我要問的是我們的院長,所以在您的任內,在賴清德政府的任內,和二和三不會研議,因為您說時間已經過了,這是確認的事實嗎?\n\n16:21.032 --> 16:22.053\n徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧\n\n16:43.416 --> 16:49.243\n對,所以我要問的是所謂的時間點的問題嘛,你們會讓他研議嗎?你剛剛說是因為核管法的關係已經做過了,所以我問,對,我問的是你們會因為希望核三能夠研議而提出院版的修法嗎?\n\n17:03.288 --> 17:17.234\n目前沒有這樣的考量,目前考量的是停役之後我們如何補全它這個停役所產生的電力上的損失。我們可以從其他的新興的電廠以及能多元綠能的開發,我們認為有辦法彌補停役一號機之後的所產生的這個缺口。\n\n17:23.076 --> 17:50.647\n這可以補上來的這樣我了解了,那我們部長可以請回因為下一個議題我們要問的是NCC的訴訟預算大幅增加那要討論NCC的事情那這個陳耀祥主委可以上來但請你不要講話因為你已經說你接下來沒有要做自稱為NCC的過客問你也沒有意思所以我想要問的還是我們的這個院長最近NCC又敗訴請問您知道是什麼案子敗訴了嗎\n\n17:53.844 --> 18:21.480\n五月十三日的時候請我們那個過客不要講話如果院長不知道的話我會提供參考我不會故意要考導你或什麼沒有那個意思是五月十三日的時候收到了判決書中天審然後我們那個議題是邱益穎委員說這個案子裡面中天審偷打怕死我都有看到但是請我們的過客不要一直騷擾我們的院長\n\n18:22.501 --> 18:34.193\n再來,鳳凰雲的事件在審3月20日有收到判決書,中天是勝訴的。我想要請問,上述兩件案子是否會申請在意?\n\n18:34.193 --> 18:37.616\n過客可以回答,沒有問題,因為您現在畢竟還是主委嘛。來,過客請。\n\n18:40.298 --> 18:48.864\n報告委員,基本上來講在審的案件,如果我們,那個是我們原來敗訴提在審,那只是一個意思而已。這兩件都會提?\n\n18:48.864 --> 18:53.126\n那個沒有,確定就確定了,就是這樣子。好,所以這兩件都沒了?\n\n18:53.126 --> 19:04.554\n沒有,不是沒了,就是確定中天生,但是我們另外還有16件案只是確定中天勝訴的。沒有,我問你的是這兩件嘛,你都過課了以後也不關你的事,我問的是這兩件,就結束了嘛,對不對?\n\n19:04.554 --> 19:04.574\n好。\n\n19:05.154 --> 19:33.651\n沒有問題那我想要請問的院長喔是上面幾個主要幫你列出很多你的這個螢幕板上面可以看到齁那在這個目前很多還有這個各種的上訴喔那其中關於中天不予換照的條件裡面一審是中天勝訴那目前NCC上訴當中請問您的態度跟立場是什麼這一題請我們的過客先不要不要不要打pass喔我看很清楚喔您都說您是過客來院長\n\n19:34.531 --> 20:02.311\n通傳會啊,它如果是一個獨立性機關啊,那我的態度不重要,是他們委員自己討論才重要。OK,好,很好。行政院4月30號函送了NCC的委員,好的,名單到立法院裡面。那請問您有瞭解過他們對於這些訴訟案的立場嗎?還是因為您認為是獨立機關,所以你只選人?對於他們所有的名單,對於所謂要不要上訴這件事情的立場,您是不清楚的?\n\n20:02.964 --> 20:28.239\n跟委員報告,這個名單是陳建仁院長所送來的。是,那您本,因為您也要交接嘛,你不能說陳建仁的,那您總是跟陳建仁院長有些交接吧?雖然政權是延續的,但是不在其位就不謀其政。陳院長沒有跟我討論到。沒有討論,那您也沒有跟這名單上面的委員詢問過他們對於中天案是否還要上去的立場。沒有嘛,對不對。\n\n20:29.019 --> 20:36.053\n那如果這些委員他們都是堅持要上訴的話,您覺得這份名單在立法院會被接受嗎?\n\n20:36.053 --> 20:37.356\n的可能性高嗎?\n\n20:37.356 --> 20:38.178\n在以現在的國會環境來說。\n\n20:39.653 --> 21:01.105\n那既然要經過大院的同意那就是大院的委員先進門再做決定。好那當時一審敗訴的時候喔NCC還發了新聞稿說很遺憾會上訴喔那如果我們的這個NCC委員有一樣的看法的話我們擔心的是浪費大家的納稅錢我們可以看一下先前我有跟這個過客主委討論過這個事情喔\n\n21:02.546 --> 21:02.886\n任何機關捍衛自己\n\n21:32.875 --> 21:40.079\n我同意我同意但是呢你可以看到以前我們需要的訴訟費跟法律諮詢費用181920這也都是民進黨執政期間啊都是只有編很少150萬而已\n\n21:52.705 --> 22:13.734\n可是從202121、22、23年的時候暴增到1310萬元這樣子的一個條幅那難道不是因為NCC出了很多的事情然後導致很多的官司官司我前面還幫你做了這個列表每打一次官司每一次的訴訟都會花更多納稅人的錢嘛所以我問院長的問題是\n\n22:15.054 --> 22:21.417\n您覺得接下來在您的任內在NCC的這個法律訴訟費跟諮詢費會高於2023年還是會低於2023年?\n\n22:26.378 --> 22:46.310\n過去為什麼這樣高我想再請主委說明一下。這我都知道了我都問過了我問的問題很簡單我只問編列預算的部分我理解過客過客我知道我問的是未來因為你之後已經沒有要再做主委了所以我要問的是2024的預算跟您是沒有關係的\n\n22:47.190 --> 23:13.980\n如果您接下來要繼續接主委我會問您也會讓您表達意見但我要問的是2024年行政院的預算會比2023年高還是會比2023年低這個問題只有我們的院長能夠幫我們回答好回答委員2024年的預算現在已經在執行當中了他就必須到預算書裡面所定的來執行而是所以我的問題是會比較高還是比較低嗎就照預算書裡面的\n\n23:15.171 --> 23:16.851\n徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯\n\n23:39.857 --> 23:41.718\n徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯\n\n23:58.546 --> 24:24.449\n我們在112年是1100多萬嘛,那2023年來講,2024來講也是差不多這個錢,多一點點。差不多齁,真的過客齁。部長我希望您可以把數字搞清楚,會後跟我回覆,因為我都在大院裡面詢問了,那具體的數字前幾年我都列出了,我問你一個2024,甚至我問2025都不為過,那結果得到的是這樣子的答案,我很遺憾。\n\n24:25.229 --> 24:44.517\n最後我要問喔,如果NCC的最後就是中天案的最後敗訴確定的話,請問已經被關掉的中天52台應該要如何救濟?他們能夠重新回到電視台的頻道嗎?能夠重回52台嗎?我們有沒有針對這個部分有相關的想定?\n\n24:46.496 --> 24:49.837\n密密麻麻的中央政策三年來台北市自籌負擔了381億我把所有都寫給大家看了\n\n25:07.882 --> 25:36.768\n這些都是屬於我們中央提出了很多我也很支持是好的政策但是呢一大堆都是地方買單的所以三年來臺北市自籌負擔了381億那最近因為在討論才化法的關係所以我們具體三個建議那這個部長可以不用回覆因為我是講我們的建議而已那您能夠做你們做但不能做的話我們會後做討論我時間很有限首先是我們希望\n\n25:37.868 --> 26:00.198\n銀業稅百分之百回歸為地方財源其中百分之五十按照各地的盈利事業而分配百分之五十納入統籌第二個部分是保障社福教育基本設施的一般性補助款第三個是我們不能每次都是中央宣布了一個大的政策最後由地方來買單已經有很多次這樣的事情剛剛說過了有381億\n\n26:02.739 --> 26:14.232\n所以這是我們希望能夠做到的部分。那我想要請我們的院長簡單說明一下您的看法。不用講太長,因為才化法本來就還在漫長的討論當中。來,院長。\n\n26:16.465 --> 26:34.575\n我相信委員應該同意這種才化法的這種內容的設計是一個非常精密的工程同意第三點中央請客片面決定之後地方買單但是中央在各個地方做了那麼多的公共建設這麼多的軌道工程\n\n26:34.915 --> 26:35.675\n﹚徐巧芯﹚徐巧芯﹚\n\n27:01.863 --> 27:21.673\n我跟委員報告一件很慚愧的事情,我在臺北市議會待過,我也在立法院待過,身為一個臺北市出來的民意代表,我從來沒有為臺北市爭取過一塊錢的預算,因為臺北市的錢確實是不少,其他地方需要的縣市更多。我們如果從均衡臺灣的理念來看,我們更應該有一個口號。\n\n27:24.994 --> 27:36.384\n我們過去有這個嘛,對不對?臺北市的預算確實是很多。所以我們問的是說會不會保留?那您的意思看起來是會還是不會?還是不確定?是是是。好。\n\n27:40.928 --> 27:57.761\n這個經驗來看臺北市的預算確實是蠻多的。好那我們接下來你說預算蠻多的可是我也有很多基礎的建設希望行政院可以來幫忙。我們應該均衡臺灣跟其他縣市。我理解我理解我們要談論是下一個主題了齁。才化法是一條漫長的路我們會慢慢的穩健的來走。\n\n27:59.102 --> 28:15.359\n再來是呢0403的大地震對於各個區域來說都有很多的損害的地方那在臺北市尤其您剛說了您是臺北市議員出生的跟我一樣我相信您對臺北市有共同的情感\n\n28:16.019 --> 28:31.152\n我們看到4月3日臺北市也有很多的災損,包含是屋頂房漏,我們直接給大家看這個圖片,屋頂房漏廁所跑道整修工程,我們向中央申請了2.13億,中央也謝謝你們合撥了64.8%,臺北市有自籌的部分,\n\n28:34.915 --> 28:35.155\n﹚徐巧芯\n\n29:05.495 --> 29:06.096\n﹚徐巧芯﹚\n\n29:26.988 --> 29:50.754\n包括這7年來總預算粗估420億財源地方自籌的話臺北市就算您說的我們是有比其他縣市有錢一些但是呢也籌說只到40億還需要很多為期7年的計劃需要我們行政院來補助想請問關於校舍提供臺北市補助這一塊我們院長能否承諾來協助\n\n29:52.148 --> 30:08.309\n我跟委員一樣關心公共安全,與其學校的校舍又牽涉到學生的安全。但是如果是屬於地方知識事項,我還是認為地方政府應該勇敢的負擔起這個責任。可是很多像包含是台中啊、其他建設、其他學校,我們中央都有做比較多的補助啊。\n\n30:09.150 --> 30:09.330\n﹚徐巧芯﹚\n\n30:40.094 --> 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我了解,我不覺得李希和局長有什麼不好的地方。"},{"start":338.007,"end":347.936,"text":"我只是覺得如果提供了選項的話,那應該就是按照選項讓市長來選,而不是呢,所以他不是一個選項。好,我了解了,謝謝局長,我知道了,這樣我了解了,他從來不是一個選項。"},{"start":355.283,"end":372.243,"text":"李熹和局長已經正式上任,我也期許他未來可以做得更好,但類似以後,所謂如果他是溝通或是選項或是派任,請直接跟市府講清楚,不要讓人家有不舒服的感覺。 不曉得我們部長,我們的這個院長可以承諾嗎?"},{"start":374.493,"end":386.666,"text":"對,人事的安排有它一定的慣例,那這個過程我認為以後我們可以更精進的,跟臺北市保持更好的溝通,部長也是這樣的認為。部長請回,第二個我想要討論的是,卓部長您去過這個,院長對不起,"},{"start":393.994,"end":413.186,"text":"您去過海巡署最近去做海巡署當海巡的靠山說遇到不法該吃足就去足我是非常認同您這樣子的一個說法的那去鼓勵海巡弟兄我也覺得很好因為他們真的很辛苦我們也不斷的在幫忙爭取更多的設備包含密錄器等等"},{"start":413.826,"end":435.672,"text":"但是我想要詢問,院長您在巡視海巡署的時候並沒有提過過去的這個先前發生的驚嚇海域的事件。請問您知道驚嚇海域事件目前發生已經幾天了嗎?請我們的這個主委先不要回答。我問的是部長,我問的是院長,對不起,我一直口誤,不好意思。來,院長。"},{"start":439.096,"end":445.266,"text":"對,已經115天了。那我想要請問一下您知道目前的遇難者現在的遺體在哪裡嗎?"},{"start":447.028,"end":475.282,"text":"我問的是院長。我問的是院長。主委請您稍等。我問的是院長。這不是一個很難的問題。這不是一個很難的問題。我想要問的是院長。您知不知道他們...不是我沒有問你祭不祭拜的問題。我問的是位置。這些遇難者他們的遺體在哪?院長。主委有一直跟我說包括那天他有跟我說這件事情他們現在在處理的過程以及他們對於家屬"},{"start":476.926,"end":479.169,"text":"我問的是他的遺體是否在哪裡,人在金門。 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是。"},{"start":675.954,"end":681.016,"text":"因為我們有承諾要保密,所以民眾沒有辦法指導人。因為我們對於中國的做法,我們保密而沒有對外,所以社會大眾並不了解,其實我們相當的善意。"},{"start":699.082,"end":726.064,"text":"對,因為我們信守承諾,我們對中國有善意。不好意思,我剛剛已經給您回答的時間了,那請您尊重我的發言。因為這是新的議題。我們在講的是民眾對於這個有五成表示不滿意,結果我們的海委會主委管碧玲主委仍然被留任,代表包含我們的總統跟我們的院長也認為這件事情處理你們是滿意的嗎?那請問,最後我要問一下院長這個議題喔。"},{"start":727.285,"end":729.889,"text":"在我們在任的每一天我們一定把它處理盡心盡力的處理但是這有雙方"},{"start":746.767,"end":762.154,"text":"我懂我了解但我不希望遺體在賴清德上任的四年之間一千多天都放在金門這是我的想法那再來呢兩位可以請回了我們問另外一個問題喔最近很紅的是這個揮打的這個黃仁勳質詢長來到台灣"},{"start":765.276,"end":780.388,"text":"他昨天晚上受訪的時候透露研發中心會靠近臺北我們臺灣人民都非常的興奮可是他同時提到電力確實是一個讓人擔憂的問題他要把AI超級電腦放在電力充沛的地方"},{"start":780.868,"end":797.087,"text":"而臺灣美國商會6月的時候再一次發表白皮書,又再一次提到了臺灣需要強化的基礎設施,包含電價的穩定以及透明度,還有穩定的能源工地,包括七成的成員都對此表達了擔憂。"},{"start":798.268,"end":798.628,"text":"現在更有趣了。"},{"start":818.837,"end":838.059,"text":"我們來看看經濟部長跟行政院長的看法竟然不同。我們的郭部長,其實我很尊敬您。您那天講的很多談話,我其實支持跟認同的。臺電應該要照他們自己的努力去賺到錢,而不是永遠用臺我們的納稅人的錢去補貼。我是認同你的。"},{"start":838.499,"end":863.098,"text":"但當時您說的是和二和三都可檢修測試安檢通過之後可以再用二三十年但是我們的行政院卻說這個呢我們還是一樣非核家園今天上午卓部長有被問到這個問題您也說你們兩邊說法沒有不同會確保電力穩定到2030年要非核家園那我就問那這樣來說的話我們原本"},{"start":865.18,"end":885.157,"text":"蔡總統所承諾的是2025非核家園請問你們的非核家園是現在是20二幾是2030還是2025再加30還是2025再加20我們現在大家看不懂希望我們的部長、院長可以給我們一個比較清楚的回答我們先請院長好嗎"},{"start":886.155,"end":898.001,"text":"我們只說非核家園是一個追求的目標,以前說2025因為經過公投那個年限已經不在,但是無論如何非核家園是人類應該努力追求的目標。 那何鶴章、何山有沒有考慮研議?"},{"start":905.444,"end":910.306,"text":"徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯"},{"start":927.79,"end":927.95,"text":"那你們會提出嗎?"},{"start":938.626,"end":938.806,"text":"﹚徐巧芯﹚徐巧芯﹚"},{"start":958.513,"end":976.008,"text":"然後前面不就白講,你說時間已經過了嘛,所以,好我只確認一件事情而已喔,其實我對經濟部長的說法我是很認同的,但我要問的是我們的院長,所以在您的任內,在賴清德政府的任內,和二和三不會研議,因為您說時間已經過了,這是確認的事實嗎?"},{"start":981.032,"end":982.053,"text":"徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧"},{"start":1003.416,"end":1009.243,"text":"對,所以我要問的是所謂的時間點的問題嘛,你們會讓他研議嗎?你剛剛說是因為核管法的關係已經做過了,所以我問,對,我問的是你們會因為希望核三能夠研議而提出院版的修法嗎?"},{"start":1023.288,"end":1037.234,"text":"目前沒有這樣的考量,目前考量的是停役之後我們如何補全它這個停役所產生的電力上的損失。我們可以從其他的新興的電廠以及能多元綠能的開發,我們認為有辦法彌補停役一號機之後的所產生的這個缺口。"},{"start":1043.076,"end":1070.647,"text":"這可以補上來的這樣我了解了,那我們部長可以請回因為下一個議題我們要問的是NCC的訴訟預算大幅增加那要討論NCC的事情那這個陳耀祥主委可以上來但請你不要講話因為你已經說你接下來沒有要做自稱為NCC的過客問你也沒有意思所以我想要問的還是我們的這個院長最近NCC又敗訴請問您知道是什麼案子敗訴了嗎"},{"start":1073.844,"end":1101.48,"text":"五月十三日的時候請我們那個過客不要講話如果院長不知道的話我會提供參考我不會故意要考導你或什麼沒有那個意思是五月十三日的時候收到了判決書中天審然後我們那個議題是邱益穎委員說這個案子裡面中天審偷打怕死我都有看到但是請我們的過客不要一直騷擾我們的院長"},{"start":1102.501,"end":1114.193,"text":"再來,鳳凰雲的事件在審3月20日有收到判決書,中天是勝訴的。我想要請問,上述兩件案子是否會申請在意?"},{"start":1114.193,"end":1117.616,"text":"過客可以回答,沒有問題,因為您現在畢竟還是主委嘛。來,過客請。"},{"start":1120.298,"end":1128.864,"text":"報告委員,基本上來講在審的案件,如果我們,那個是我們原來敗訴提在審,那只是一個意思而已。 這兩件都會提?"},{"start":1128.864,"end":1133.126,"text":"那個沒有,確定就確定了,就是這樣子。 好,所以這兩件都沒了?"},{"start":1133.126,"end":1144.554,"text":"沒有,不是沒了,就是確定中天生,但是我們另外還有16件案只是確定中天勝訴的。 沒有,我問你的是這兩件嘛,你都過課了以後也不關你的事,我問的是這兩件,就結束了嘛,對不對?"},{"start":1144.554,"end":1144.574,"text":"好。"},{"start":1145.154,"end":1173.651,"text":"沒有問題那我想要請問的院長喔是上面幾個主要幫你列出很多你的這個螢幕板上面可以看到齁那在這個目前很多還有這個各種的上訴喔那其中關於中天不予換照的條件裡面一審是中天勝訴那目前NCC上訴當中請問您的態度跟立場是什麼這一題請我們的過客先不要不要不要打pass喔我看很清楚喔您都說您是過客來院長"},{"start":1174.531,"end":1202.311,"text":"通傳會啊,它如果是一個獨立性機關啊,那我的態度不重要,是他們委員自己討論才重要。OK,好,很好。行政院4月30號函送了NCC的委員,好的,名單到立法院裡面。那請問您有瞭解過他們對於這些訴訟案的立場嗎?還是因為您認為是獨立機關,所以你只選人?對於他們所有的名單,對於所謂要不要上訴這件事情的立場,您是不清楚的?"},{"start":1202.964,"end":1228.239,"text":"跟委員報告,這個名單是陳建仁院長所送來的。是,那您本,因為您也要交接嘛,你不能說陳建仁的,那您總是跟陳建仁院長有些交接吧?雖然政權是延續的,但是不在其位就不謀其政。陳院長沒有跟我討論到。沒有討論,那您也沒有跟這名單上面的委員詢問過他們對於中天案是否還要上去的立場。沒有嘛,對不對。"},{"start":1229.019,"end":1236.053,"text":"那如果這些委員他們都是堅持要上訴的話,您覺得這份名單在立法院會被接受嗎?"},{"start":1236.053,"end":1237.356,"text":"的可能性高嗎?"},{"start":1237.356,"end":1238.178,"text":"在以現在的國會環境來說。"},{"start":1239.653,"end":1261.105,"text":"那既然要經過大院的同意那就是大院的委員先進門再做決定。好那當時一審敗訴的時候喔NCC還發了新聞稿說很遺憾會上訴喔那如果我們的這個NCC委員有一樣的看法的話我們擔心的是浪費大家的納稅錢我們可以看一下先前我有跟這個過客主委討論過這個事情喔"},{"start":1262.546,"end":1262.886,"text":"任何機關捍衛自己"},{"start":1292.875,"end":1300.079,"text":"我同意我同意但是呢你可以看到以前我們需要的訴訟費跟法律諮詢費用181920這也都是民進黨執政期間啊都是只有編很少150萬而已"},{"start":1312.705,"end":1333.734,"text":"可是從202121、22、23年的時候暴增到1310萬元這樣子的一個條幅那難道不是因為NCC出了很多的事情然後導致很多的官司官司我前面還幫你做了這個列表每打一次官司每一次的訴訟都會花更多納稅人的錢嘛所以我問院長的問題是"},{"start":1335.054,"end":1341.417,"text":"您覺得接下來在您的任內在NCC的這個法律訴訟費跟諮詢費會高於2023年還是會低於2023年?"},{"start":1346.378,"end":1366.31,"text":"過去為什麼這樣高我想再請主委說明一下。 這我都知道了我都問過了我問的問題很簡單我只問編列預算的部分我理解過客過客我知道我問的是未來因為你之後已經沒有要再做主委了所以我要問的是2024的預算跟您是沒有關係的"},{"start":1367.19,"end":1393.98,"text":"如果您接下來要繼續接主委我會問您也會讓您表達意見但我要問的是2024年行政院的預算會比2023年高還是會比2023年低這個問題只有我們的院長能夠幫我們回答好回答委員2024年的預算現在已經在執行當中了他就必須到預算書裡面所定的來執行而是所以我的問題是會比較高還是比較低嗎就照預算書裡面的"},{"start":1395.171,"end":1396.851,"text":"徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯"},{"start":1419.857,"end":1421.718,"text":"徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯"},{"start":1438.546,"end":1464.449,"text":"我們在112年是1100多萬嘛,那2023年來講,2024來講也是差不多這個錢,多一點點。 差不多齁,真的過客齁。部長我希望您可以把數字搞清楚,會後跟我回覆,因為我都在大院裡面詢問了,那具體的數字前幾年我都列出了,我問你一個2024,甚至我問2025都不為過,那結果得到的是這樣子的答案,我很遺憾。"},{"start":1465.229,"end":1484.517,"text":"最後我要問喔,如果NCC的最後就是中天案的最後敗訴確定的話,請問已經被關掉的中天52台應該要如何救濟?他們能夠重新回到電視台的頻道嗎?能夠重回52台嗎?我們有沒有針對這個部分有相關的想定?"},{"start":1486.496,"end":1489.837,"text":"密密麻麻的中央政策三年來台北市自籌負擔了381億我把所有都寫給大家看了"},{"start":1507.882,"end":1536.768,"text":"這些都是屬於我們中央提出了很多我也很支持是好的政策但是呢一大堆都是地方買單的所以三年來臺北市自籌負擔了381億那最近因為在討論才化法的關係所以我們具體三個建議那這個部長可以不用回覆因為我是講我們的建議而已那您能夠做你們做但不能做的話我們會後做討論我時間很有限首先是我們希望"},{"start":1537.868,"end":1560.198,"text":"銀業稅百分之百回歸為地方財源其中百分之五十按照各地的盈利事業而分配百分之五十納入統籌第二個部分是保障社福教育基本設施的一般性補助款第三個是我們不能每次都是中央宣布了一個大的政策最後由地方來買單已經有很多次這樣的事情剛剛說過了有381億"},{"start":1562.739,"end":1574.232,"text":"所以這是我們希望能夠做到的部分。 那我想要請我們的院長簡單說明一下您的看法。 不用講太長,因為才化法本來就還在漫長的討論當中。 來,院長。"},{"start":1576.465,"end":1594.575,"text":"我相信委員應該同意這種才化法的這種內容的設計是一個非常精密的工程 同意第三點中央請客片面決定之後地方買單但是中央在各個地方做了那麼多的公共建設這麼多的軌道工程"},{"start":1594.915,"end":1595.675,"text":"﹚徐巧芯﹚徐巧芯﹚"},{"start":1621.863,"end":1641.673,"text":"我跟委員報告一件很慚愧的事情,我在臺北市議會待過,我也在立法院待過,身為一個臺北市出來的民意代表,我從來沒有為臺北市爭取過一塊錢的預算,因為臺北市的錢確實是不少,其他地方需要的縣市更多。我們如果從均衡臺灣的理念來看,我們更應該有一個口號。"},{"start":1644.994,"end":1656.384,"text":"我們過去有這個嘛,對不對?臺北市的預算確實是很多。所以我們問的是說會不會保留?那您的意思看起來是會還是不會?還是不確定?是是是。好。"},{"start":1660.928,"end":1677.761,"text":"這個經驗來看臺北市的預算確實是蠻多的。好那我們接下來你說預算蠻多的可是我也有很多基礎的建設希望行政院可以來幫忙。我們應該均衡臺灣跟其他縣市。我理解我理解我們要談論是下一個主題了齁。才化法是一條漫長的路我們會慢慢的穩健的來走。"},{"start":1679.102,"end":1695.359,"text":"再來是呢0403的大地震對於各個區域來說都有很多的損害的地方那在臺北市尤其您剛說了您是臺北市議員出生的跟我一樣我相信您對臺北市有共同的情感"},{"start":1696.019,"end":1711.152,"text":"我們看到4月3日臺北市也有很多的災損,包含是屋頂房漏,我們直接給大家看這個圖片,屋頂房漏廁所跑道整修工程,我們向中央申請了2.13億,中央也謝謝你們合撥了64.8%,臺北市有自籌的部分,"},{"start":1714.915,"end":1715.155,"text":"﹚徐巧芯"},{"start":1745.495,"end":1746.096,"text":"﹚徐巧芯﹚"},{"start":1766.988,"end":1790.754,"text":"包括這7年來總預算粗估420億財源地方自籌的話臺北市就算您說的我們是有比其他縣市有錢一些但是呢也籌說只到40億還需要很多為期7年的計劃需要我們行政院來補助想請問關於校舍提供臺北市補助這一塊我們院長能否承諾來協助"},{"start":1792.148,"end":1808.309,"text":"我跟委員一樣關心公共安全,與其學校的校舍又牽涉到學生的安全。但是如果是屬於地方知識事項,我還是認為地方政府應該勇敢的負擔起這個責任。可是很多像包含是台中啊、其他建設、其他學校,我們中央都有做比較多的補助啊。"},{"start":1809.15,"end":1809.33,"text":"﹚徐巧芯﹚"},{"start":1840.094,"end":1840.265,"text":"徐巧芯"}]}}}}