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Sky）今天會訪臺，他表示被動不能帶來和平，也提出了「和平推」的想法，盼兩岸都能付出更多的努力來做和平推演，而不是一味的就是推兵推。那請問院長，您支不支持所謂和平推的想法跟作法，就是以和平為目標的這種模擬推演，以軟實力外交手段來達到和平，不論輸贏，而是重視合作，會不會研議這樣的方式？"],["卓院長榮泰：謝謝陳委員！要和平有很多的方法跟手段，我覺得臺灣身處這個地緣政治的敏感地帶，我們應該研析各種可以爭取維護和平的所有方式，同時我們也希望所有民主夥伴國家，能夠像重視臺灣的科技發展一樣，也重視臺灣安全跟其他防衛的問題，所以任何是正面、善意的、友善的對臺灣提出任何的建議，我覺得我們用開放的態度，但是終結的目的只有一個──我們反對武力、反對暴力，我們堅持用和平的方式來促進印太地區的穩定跟發展。"],["陳委員秀寳：謝謝院長表達您的看法，其實兩岸維持一定很長時間的這樣子一個巧妙的平衡，那如果化平衡為合作，將惡性循環能夠轉為良性的擴散，我想也是大家需要去努力的。謝謝院長！","接下來回到秀寳的質詢，要為地方發聲。其實我相信本席跟民眾都非常的期待新的團隊上任之後，行政院能夠推動更多的福國利民的政策，而且希望過往重要的建設能夠持續積極地辦理。本席選區的美港公路高架化就是需要院長及部長的支持，並大力推動的重要地方建設。原本美港公路的高架化可行性評估期末報告是預計在110年的9月就要提出，後來一直拖延到今年的3月才提出，後續綜合規劃的部分，預計在今年底以及明年中就會提出期中跟期末的報告。院長，這邊我代替我們的鄉親來向我們院長跟部長請求，有沒有辦法加緊腳步，能夠儘快地來協助？譬如說今年底是不是就可以直接提出綜合規劃的期末報告，把之前延宕了兩年半的時間趕一下進度？"],["卓院長榮泰：謝謝委員，委員長期對地方關心，我想地方的人民都非常的清楚瞭解，我們也是，我在行政院看到委員之前相當多在地方建設上的提議都非常的寶貴，針對這一線，就是台61線西濱快速道路連接國三的和美交流道這個路線，我知道在今年的3月它已經核定了可行性的評估，細節怎麼進行？我想部長來答復，但是我主要就是希望未來能夠加速審議、加速推動。"],["陳委員秀寳：謝謝院長！請部長。"],["李部長孟諺：是，跟委員報告，這一條快速道路確實是有非常重要的價值，因為它可以紓解車流，讓國1、國3、跟西濱可以……"],["陳委員秀寳：其實對整個彰化西南沿海鄉鎮的交通幫助都會很大。"],["李部長孟諺：對，我想現在最大的關鍵大概是環評，因為這是一個新的快速道路，所以原則上是要做二階環評，一般二階環評至少要有一年四季相關環境基本資料的調查，所以通常二階環評會持續，需要的時間大概是兩到三年，我們會來跟環境部再溝通，看怎麼樣……因為它就是一個大概6.5公里的快速道路，怎麼樣能夠來加速……"],["陳委員秀寳：這個就請部長您這邊來協助，是不是儘快可以將其中的一些時程、期程縮短，儘量地來……因為之前已經延宕很久了，而且這邊要跟院長及部長請求，美港公路的預算，它的經費比較高，高達167億。"],["李部長孟諺：是。"],["陳委員秀寳：後續的預算是不是可以優先編列，我們提早來做這個準備，因為一次編列這樣的預算，我不知道院方跟部裡面是不是可以就這樣子支應？是不是應該要提早準備？"],["李部長孟諺：我想只要綜規順利通過，相關的公建計畫就會開始逐年編列預算，如果可以提早辦理用地，那就可以分散編列的壓力。"],["陳委員秀寳：好，謝謝部長。院長跟部長應該知道，其實這條美港公路高架化本席已經追了5年，我們彰化西南沿海鄉鎮的鄉親也盼了很多年，所以在這邊也要再一次地請院長跟部長大力地協助，讓整個進程可以儘快，讓民眾能感受到其實政府是非常用心的。","謝謝我們部長，接下來我要請教育部鄭部長。"],["主席：教育部長請備詢。"],["陳委員秀寳：接下來這個議題在上一屆的總質詢以及新任部長上任之後的委員會詢答秀寳都有請教過，請我們部長、院長一起先看一下這個相片，這個是本席選區學校活動中心的現況，關於活動中心修繕的問題，本席已經追了很久，院長跟部長看到這個建築物的狀況，會認為這是有足夠的安全可以提供給孩子使用的場地嗎？其實委員會詢答的時候我也請教過部長，部長說現在教育部已經有盤點，全國的活動中心需要修繕的清單總計大概有一千八百多件，我想請教一下部長，初步的經費大概要多少，您有沒有先估算過？"],["鄭部長英耀：跟委員報告，改善我們中小學這些老舊教室的整建，我想那是我們既定的政策，我們現在不僅是全面在盤點，108年到112年，事實上整個教育部在國教署投入了64億，最近這些所有的老舊教室，包括漏水場域的改善，我們會積極地來……如果經費在內部上年度是不足的，我想我們會來跟行政院裡爭取公建相關的經費。"],["陳委員秀寳：關於學校活動中心的修繕經費，本席其實已經爭取到有點氣餒，更何況是學校，這樣子破損的建築還能等多久？它只會愈等愈破，我們還要讓孩子等多久？過去興建禮堂、活動中心是為了讓孩子在天候不佳的時候有一個場地可以使用，但是這些場地已經破損，而且都已經超過使用年限，不管是磁磚脫落、牆面或是地板裂開、線路老舊、屋頂漏水，都是這些老舊的場館遇到的問題。","院長看一下，下一張是本席選區113年針對活動中心補充器材及修繕活動中心的送案清單，這不是全部，很多學校都已經送案送到不想送了，因為他們的心聲就是，反正我送了就是石沈大海，也不會有什麼結果。本席選區文開國小外牆修繕部分的經費就高達2,200萬，這個地方政府沒有辦法負擔，一定要中央協助，所以本席要建請院長能比照PU跑道以及廁所修繕的方式來設置活動中心修繕的專案經費。因為經費比較龐大，我們專案執行的年限可以拉長，我們可以訂個三年或五年的計畫，至少讓學校、讓家長、讓孩子、讓老師覺得有機會可以爭取到經費，讓這些老舊的一些場館可以得到改善。我今天的總質詢之後，我們院長跟部長是不是可以在一個月之內研議設置專案經費的可行性，以及這個專案經費的規模？我們有責任給孩子一個安全的環境、空間，這個部分院長跟部長是不是可以來研議？"],["卓院長榮泰：非常感謝委員，我認為無論是PU跑道、廁所的修繕，以至於剛剛委員所說的活動中心，我們以前也有例子，活動中心的安全對師生來講非常重要……"],["陳委員秀寳：對。"],["卓院長榮泰：所以這一件，剛剛部長所說，我們過去投入了六十幾億改善校園的環境，這個有這樣的急迫，我覺得我應該請教育部能夠清楚的瞭解。剛剛委員所講的這樣的內容，針對師生的安全，我們作為優先的考量，應該急速的處置，瞭解之後馬上給委員一個很清楚的答復。"],["陳委員秀寳：謝謝院長，謝謝部長，也希望你們儘速來研議設置專案的可行性，因為這個不能再等，越等這些建築是越破舊，我們孩子不能在這樣的環境之中來學習、來活動，謝謝。","接下來，我要請我們經濟部郭部長。"],["主席：經濟部郭部長，請備詢。"],["陳委員秀寳：部長好！接下來，秀寳要為我們彰化縣的中小企業發聲。院長，您知不知道目前彰化縣的中小企業大概有多少家？彰化縣的中小企業大概有一萬兩千多家，其中員工人數10人以下的占企業的比例大概是53%，但是很多中小企業跟本席反映，他們感受不到政府的重視，臺灣的經濟很多是靠中小企業來支撐，但是他們的企業主感覺政府對他們是很忽視的，讓他們也產生了相對的剝奪感。","院長，您的口頭報告裡面也有說會積極的推動中小企業以及傳產的轉型，但是中小企業的心聲卻一直都沒有傳到中央的耳朵，其中跟中小企業最相關的工商普查，部長，您知道工商普查多久普查一次？大概普查什麼項目嗎？"],["郭部長智輝：我目前不知道。"],["陳委員秀寳：不知道，好。工商普查其實目的是為了提供政府規劃經濟建設以及業者在推廣業務時候的參據，但是中小企業就直指，其實工商普查查不出中小企業現在面臨的經營困境及危機，只是一種形式。過去我們在產業對談這樣子的服務當中、協助當中有多少是真正顧及到中小企業，這個本席也覺得很保留，但是對於提供中小企業的協助，如果我們一時沒有這麼多人力來瞭解及協助中小企業，本席希望在我們現有這個工商普查的基準之下優化程序，是不是透過工商普查這個填單調查對談意願，我們實際上與中小企業來對談？院長，您覺得呢？"],["卓院長榮泰：我們不僅對中小企業，我們對中小微企業，都應該全力的來瞭解它的困難，因為國家不可能只照顧到高科技的產業，中小微企業，尤其中小企業又是臺灣經濟的主幹，人數最多，廠商最多，多年以來，一直是肩負著臺灣經濟發展的主要動力，所以我們現在要發展的是護國群山。至於剛剛委員所說的普查，如果它實際的效能沒有彰顯出來的話，我們請經濟部就普查的內容、事項、時間、方式全面的檢討，讓它能夠真實呈現出的政府應該面對的問題。"],["陳委員秀寳：謝謝院長對中小企業及微企業的肯定，也願意來支持，本席希望新政府也可以將中小企業的需求放在心上。其實每個行業別中生產的品項與製程可以說失之毫釐，差之千里，但我們通常都會用同一種規範、同一種法規來規範不同但看起來很像的產業，所以很多中小企業的心聲是你們用同一種法規規範不一樣的製程對他們來講是很不公平的，所以我才會要求你們必須要去瞭解中小企業，必須與之對談。","除此之外，本席接受到最多的反映就是中小企業買不到綠電，這是一個非常詭異的現象，本席所在的彰化縣是再生能源發電的大縣，彰化縣是綠電大縣，但是我們彰化縣的中小企業卻買不到綠電！我們有2050年淨零碳排的目標，我們2025年要開徵碳稅，2026年歐盟將收碳邊境稅，而且我們彰化縣第3-1期的離岸風電在2027年會併網，彰化縣在綠電的發展及設置上其實舉足輕重，但是我們的中小企業卻買不到綠電而面臨經營危機。請問經濟部，這個問題你們有注意到嗎？"],["郭部長智輝：這一部分我們有注意到，我們現在已經啟動所有的普查，我們會把這些綠電的部分撥出來，讓這中小企業有需要的可以買得到。"],["陳委員秀寳：謝謝部長，你們已經有注意到，其實彰化縣中小企業的產品外銷比例是很高的，目前國際貿易上針對產品有要求要一定比例用乾淨能源，他們跟綠電公司買電其實要有很高的信用評等。回到一開始本席所講的，彰化縣的中小企業有一萬兩千多家，其中10人以下的企業占53%，所以這個高信用評等的門檻對中小企業來講是非常難達到的，綠電根本是看得到、買不到，這樣的抱怨在我們地方是甚囂塵上，所以本席希望經濟部必須重視地方的聲音。這些建設、這些不方便都在我們彰化縣，但是最基本的、回饋的額度如果還是要不到的話，對彰化縣的中小企業非常不公平。減碳是國際趨勢，也會變成企業基本的生存力，所以我們希望在發展半導體跟AI的時候，也一定要兼顧在地中小企業的需求。經濟部現在已經有方案如何來協助這些中小企業了嗎？你們已經有正式的去調查過了吧？"],["郭部長智輝：報告委員，我們現在這個計畫已經提出來，準備要跟環境部討論碳費的問題。"],["陳委員秀寳：還要多久？你們討論之後要多久才能實質回饋到我們地方的企業？"],["郭部長智輝：應該很快啦！"],["陳委員秀寳：您預計大概多久？給我們一個時間。"],["卓院長榮泰：謝謝委員，我會請他們在一個月當中把未來的時程規劃出來，讓大家知道這個時程要怎麼樣推動，所以應該先規劃出來，以後的時程……"],["陳委員秀寳：謝謝院長，也謝謝部長，希望能夠儘快讓我們在地有一個消息，讓他們知道如何去規劃之後產品製程的時間，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝陳委員。下一位請葛委員如鈞質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":173,"meet_id":"院會-11-1-17","speakers":["江啟臣","陳秀寳","葛如鈞","黃建賓","劉建國","柯志恩","沈伯洋","萬美玲","吳沛憶","王鴻薇","范雲","王育敏","李坤城","林憶君","王美惠","邱志偉"],"page_start":89,"meetingDate":["2024-06-11"],"gazette_id":"1135401","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1135401_00003",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00:00:16,767\n謝主席請卓院長以及交通部理部長請卓院長備詢交通部理部長陳委員好\n\n2\n00:00:30,379 --> 00:00:43,727\n議員長早安部長早安那在我的質詢之前呢我先請教院長一個新聞議題喔前美軍駐伊拉克政治顧問也是前北約駐阿富汗國際安全部隊的顧問今天會訪台\n\n3\n00:00:46,628 --> 00:00:46,648\n謝謝陳委員\n\n4\n00:01:26,337 --> 00:01:51,659\n所有民主夥伴國家能夠像重視臺灣的科技發展一樣也重視臺灣安全跟其他的這個防衛的問題所以任何是正面的善意的友善的這個對臺灣提出任何的建議我覺得我們用開放的態度但是終結的目的只有一個我們反對武力反對暴力我們堅持用和平的方式來促進印太地區的穩定跟發展\n\n5\n00:01:52,445 --> 00:02:07,551\n謝謝院長表達您的看法,其實兩岸維持一段很長時間的這樣子一個巧妙的平衡,那如果劃平衡為合作,將惡性循環能夠轉為良性的擴散,我想也是大家需要去努力的,謝謝院長。接下來回到秀寳的質詢為地方發聲。\n\n6\n00:02:10,652 --> 00:02:26,964\n其實我相信本席跟民眾都非常期待新的團隊上任之後,行政院能夠推動更多的福國利民的政策,而且希望對過往的重要的建設延續能夠持續積極的辦理。那本席選區的美港公路高架化。\n\n7\n00:02:34,164 --> 00:02:48,891\n就是需要院長及部長的支持並大力推動的這個重要的地方建設。原本美港公路的高價化可景性評估期末報告是預計在110年的9月就要提出,後來一直拖延到今年的3月才提出。\n\n8\n00:02:49,431 --> 00:03:08,859\n那後續的綜合規劃的部分預計在今年底以及明年中會提出期中跟期末的報告那院長這邊我代替我們的鄉親來請求我們院長跟部長這邊有沒有辦法加緊這個腳步能夠盡快的來協助比如說今年底是不是就可以直接提出綜合規劃的期末報告把之前延宕的這個兩年半的時間趕下進度\n\n9\n00:03:12,204 --> 00:03:32,229\n謝謝委員。長期委員對地方的關心,我想地方的人民都非常的清楚而了解。那我們也是,我直接在行政院看到委員相當多的在地方建設上的提議都非常的寶貴。那針對這一件就是61線,台61線西濱快速道路連接國三的這個河美交流道這個路線。\n\n10\n00:03:33,029 --> 00:03:33,209\n謝謝院長,那請部長您。\n\n11\n00:03:46,269 --> 00:03:59,141\n跟委員報告,這一條快速道路確實是有非常重要的價值,因為它可以紓解車流,讓國一、國三跟西濱可以來。對,我想現在大概最大的關鍵是環評。\n\n12\n00:04:05,006 --> 00:04:28,355\n因為這個部分這個是一個新的快速道路所以原則上是要做二階環評那一般二階環評他至少要有一年四季相關的環境的這個基本資料的調查所以通常二階環評會持續需要的時間大概兩到三年那我們會來跟環境部再溝通看怎麼樣因為他是就是一個大概6.5公里的一個快速道路\n\n13\n00:04:29,275 --> 00:04:46,363\n這個就請部長您這邊來協助是不是盡快可以在其中可以比較縮短的一些時程期程盡量的來因為之前已經延宕了很久了而且這邊要跟院長及部長來請求就是美港公路的這個預算它的經費比較高是高達167億\n\n14\n00:04:47,924 --> 00:05:17,559\n那後續預算的編列是不是可以優先編列我們提早來做這個準備因為一次編列這樣的預算我不知道說院方跟部裡面是不是可以就這樣子質疑那是不是應該提早來做準備我想只要中規順利通過那麼相關的公建計畫就會開始逐年編列預算那如果可以提早辦理用地那就可以分散那個編列的壓力院長跟部長應該知道說其實這條美港公路高架劃分已經追了5年\n\n15\n00:05:17,779 --> 00:05:17,799\n﹚陳秀寳﹚\n\n16\n00:05:47,076 --> 00:05:47,359\n拜託長請備詢請政部長\n\n17\n00:05:52,540 --> 00:06:16,902\n接下來這個議題在上一屆的總質詢以及新任部長上任之後的委員會詢答秀寳都有請教過那請我們部長院長一起先看一下這個相片這個是本期選區學校活動中心的現況關於活動中心的修繕的這個問題本期已經追了很久那院長跟部長看到這個建築物的狀況會認為這是有足夠的安全可以提供給孩子使用的場地嗎\n\n18\n00:06:17,623 --> 00:06:17,823\n委員．陳秀寳\n\n19\n00:06:36,035 --> 00:06:52,261\n跟委員報告這一個改善我們中小學的這些老舊教室整建我想那是我們既定的一個政策那我們現在不僅是前面在盤點以108年到112年我們事實上整個教育部在國教署投入了這一個64億\n\n20\n00:06:53,962 --> 00:07:16,923\n那最近的這些的這些所有的這一些老舊教室包括漏水、廠藝的一個改善我們會積極的來這一個如果這個經費在內部上年度是不足我想我們會來跟行政院裡面來爭取這個公建的一些相關的﹗醫師關於學校的活動中心這個秀山經費其實本身已經爭取到有點氣餒更何況是學校\n\n21\n00:07:18,584 --> 00:07:18,604\n﹚陳秀寳\n\n22\n00:07:48,904 --> 00:08:15,821\n針對活動中心補充器材及秀山活動中心送案的清單,這不是全部喔,很多學校都已經送案送都不想送了,因為他們的心聲就是反正我送的就是石城大海,也不會有什麼結果。那在本席的選區文開國小呢,外牆秀山的部分經費就高達2200萬,這個在地方政府是沒有辦法負擔,一定要中央的來協助。所以本席在這邊呢要見請院長,您能比照PU跑道以及廁所秀山的方式呢,來設置活動中心秀山的專案經費。\n\n23\n00:08:17,362 --> 00:08:17,482\n﹚陳秀寳﹚陳秀寳﹚\n\n24\n00:08:39,099 --> 00:08:40,520\n好,非常感謝委員。我認為無論是PU跑道\n\n25\n00:08:58,447 --> 00:08:58,467\n﹚陳秀寳\n\n26\n00:09:21,877 --> 00:09:21,897\n國務部長\n\n27\n00:09:53,393 --> 00:10:11,332\n經濟部郭部長請備詢。部長好,接下來秀寳要為我們彰化縣的中小企業發聲。院長您知不知道目前彰化縣的中小企業大概有多少家?\n\n28\n00:10:13,790 --> 00:10:34,657\n張嬅縣的中小企業大概有1萬2千多家,其中員工人數10人以下的占企業的比例大概是53%,但是很多中小企業跟本席反映他們感受不到政府的重視。臺灣的經濟很多是靠中小企業來支撐,但是他們企業主感覺說政府對他們是很忽視的,讓他們也產生了相對的剝奪感。\n\n29\n00:10:35,757 --> 00:10:51,890\n院長您的口頭報告裡面也有說會提到積極的推動中小企業以及傳產的轉型但是中小企業的新生卻一直都沒有傳到中央的耳朵那其中跟中小企業最相關的這個工商普查部長您知道工商普查多久普查一次大概普查什麼項目嗎?\n\n30\n00:10:53,237 --> 00:11:17,514\n我目前不知道公商普查其實目的是為了輔助政府規劃經濟建設以及業者他們在推廣業務的時候的參與但是中小企業就直指說其實公商普查查不出來中小企業現在面臨的經營困境跟危機只是一種形式那過去我們在產業對談這樣子的服務當中協助當中有多少是真正顧及到中小企業這個本席也覺得很保留\n\n31\n00:11:18,234 --> 00:11:37,946\n但是對於提供中小企業的協助如果說一時我們沒有這麼多的人力來了解跟協助中小企業本期希望說在我們現有的這個工商普查的基準之下我們來優化程序是不是透過工商普查這個填單的調查對談意願然後呢我們實際上與中小企業來對談院長你覺得呢?\n\n32\n00:11:41,823 --> 00:11:58,552\n我們不僅對中小企業,我們對中小微企業都應該全力的來了解它的困難,因為國家不可能只在照顧到高科技的產業。那中小微企業尤其中小企業又是台灣經濟的主幹,人數最多。\n\n33\n00:11:59,372 --> 00:11:59,392\n﹚陳秀寳\n\n34\n00:12:25,420 --> 00:12:39,293\n謝謝院長您對中小企業及微企業的肯定也願意來支持。本期希望說新政府也可以將中小企業的需求放在心上。其實每個行業別中生產的品香跟製程\n\n35\n00:12:39,833 --> 00:12:39,853\n﹚陳秀寳﹚\n\n36\n00:13:04,330 --> 00:13:28,147\n這是一個非常詭異的現象,我們本席所在的彰化縣是再生能源發電的大縣。彰化縣是綠電大縣,但是我們彰化縣的中小企業卻買不到綠電。我們有2050年淨零碳排的目標,我們有2025年要開徵碳稅,2026年歐盟將收碳邊境稅,而我們彰化縣的第三支一期的離岸風電在2027年會併網。\n\n37\n00:13:31,349 --> 00:13:53,190\n張化憲在綠電的發展跟設置上其實舉足輕重,但是我們的中小企業卻買不到綠電而面臨經營危機,請問這個問題經濟部你們有注意到嗎?這一部分我們有注意到,我們現在已經啟動所有的普查,那麼我們會把這些綠電的部分呢,把它撥出來,那麼讓這中小企業它有需要的可以買得到。\n\n38\n00:13:53,929 --> 00:14:18,594\n謝謝部長你們也有注意到我中小企業就是說我們其實彰化縣的中小企業的這個產品的外銷比例是很高的那目前國際貿易商針對產品是有要求要一定比例用乾淨能源那目前呢他們要跟綠電公司買電其實有很高的這個信用的平等喔那回到一開始本期所講的其實彰化縣的企業中小企業有12000多家那其中10人以下的企業佔53%\n\n39\n00:14:20,774 --> 00:14:44,219\n所以這個高信用平等的門檻對中小企業來講是非常難達到的。所以綠電根本是看得到買不到這樣的抱怨在我們地方是盛銷城上。所以本席希望說經濟部必須重視地方的聲音。這些建設這些不方便都在我們彰化縣但是最基本的回饋的額度如果我們還是要不到的話對彰化縣的中小企業是非常不公平。\n\n40\n00:14:44,719 --> 00:15:09,675\n那檢探式這個國際趨勢也會變成企業的這個基本的生存力所以說我們希望在發展半導體跟AI這個時候也一定要兼顧在地中小企業的需求那經濟部現在已經有方案如何來協助這些中小企業了嗎?你們已經有正式的去調查過吧?報告委員我們現在這個計畫已經提出來準備要跟環境部討論這個攤費的問題那還要多久?\n\n41\n00:15:13,905 --> 00:15:17,746\n謝謝委員這個我會請他們在一個月當中把未來的時程規劃出來向大家知道這個時程要怎麼樣進行推動所以應該先規劃出來\n\n42\n00:15:49,374 --> 00:15:49,394\n謝謝陳委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n9961\t16767\t謝主席請卓院長以及交通部理部長請卓院長備詢交通部理部長陳委員好\n30379\t43727\t議員長早安部長早安那在我的質詢之前呢我先請教院長一個新聞議題喔前美軍駐伊拉克政治顧問也是前北約駐阿富汗國際安全部隊的顧問今天會訪台\n46628\t46648\t謝謝陳委員\n71937\t85896\t﹗\n86337\t111659\t所有民主夥伴國家能夠像重視臺灣的科技發展一樣也重視臺灣安全跟其他的這個防衛的問題所以任何是正面的善意的友善的這個對臺灣提出任何的建議我覺得我們用開放的態度但是終結的目的只有一個我們反對武力反對暴力我們堅持用和平的方式來促進印太地區的穩定跟發展\n112445\t127551\t謝謝院長表達您的看法,其實兩岸維持一段很長時間的這樣子一個巧妙的平衡,那如果劃平衡為合作,將惡性循環能夠轉為良性的擴散,我想也是大家需要去努力的,謝謝院長。接下來回到秀寳的質詢為地方發聲。\n130652\t146964\t其實我相信本席跟民眾都非常期待新的團隊上任之後,行政院能夠推動更多的福國利民的政策,而且希望對過往的重要的建設延續能夠持續積極的辦理。那本席選區的美港公路高架化。\n154164\t168891\t就是需要院長及部長的支持並大力推動的這個重要的地方建設。原本美港公路的高價化可景性評估期末報告是預計在110年的9月就要提出,後來一直拖延到今年的3月才提出。\n169431\t188859\t那後續的綜合規劃的部分預計在今年底以及明年中會提出期中跟期末的報告那院長這邊我代替我們的鄉親來請求我們院長跟部長這邊有沒有辦法加緊這個腳步能夠盡快的來協助比如說今年底是不是就可以直接提出綜合規劃的期末報告把之前延宕的這個兩年半的時間趕下進度\n192204\t212229\t謝謝委員。長期委員對地方的關心,我想地方的人民都非常的清楚而了解。那我們也是,我直接在行政院看到委員相當多的在地方建設上的提議都非常的寶貴。那針對這一件就是61線,台61線西濱快速道路連接國三的這個河美交流道這個路線。\n213029\t213209\t謝謝院長,那請部長您。\n226269\t239141\t跟委員報告,這一條快速道路確實是有非常重要的價值,因為它可以紓解車流,讓國一、國三跟西濱可以來。對,我想現在大概最大的關鍵是環評。\n245006\t268355\t因為這個部分這個是一個新的快速道路所以原則上是要做二階環評那一般二階環評他至少要有一年四季相關的環境的這個基本資料的調查所以通常二階環評會持續需要的時間大概兩到三年那我們會來跟環境部再溝通看怎麼樣因為他是就是一個大概6.5公里的一個快速道路\n269275\t286363\t這個就請部長您這邊來協助是不是盡快可以在其中可以比較縮短的一些時程期程盡量的來因為之前已經延宕了很久了而且這邊要跟院長及部長來請求就是美港公路的這個預算它的經費比較高是高達167億\n287924\t317559\t那後續預算的編列是不是可以優先編列我們提早來做這個準備因為一次編列這樣的預算我不知道說院方跟部裡面是不是可以就這樣子質疑那是不是應該提早來做準備我想只要中規順利通過那麼相關的公建計畫就會開始逐年編列預算那如果可以提早辦理用地那就可以分散那個編列的壓力院長跟部長應該知道說其實這條美港公路高架劃分已經追了5年\n317779\t317799\t﹚陳秀寳﹚\n347076\t347359\t拜託長請備詢請政部長\n352540\t376902\t接下來這個議題在上一屆的總質詢以及新任部長上任之後的委員會詢答秀寳都有請教過那請我們部長院長一起先看一下這個相片這個是本期選區學校活動中心的現況關於活動中心的修繕的這個問題本期已經追了很久那院長跟部長看到這個建築物的狀況會認為這是有足夠的安全可以提供給孩子使用的場地嗎\n377623\t377823\t委員．陳秀寳\n396035\t412261\t跟委員報告這一個改善我們中小學的這些老舊教室整建我想那是我們既定的一個政策那我們現在不僅是前面在盤點以108年到112年我們事實上整個教育部在國教署投入了這一個64億\n413962\t436923\t那最近的這些的這些所有的這一些老舊教室包括漏水、廠藝的一個改善我們會積極的來這一個如果這個經費在內部上年度是不足我想我們會來跟行政院裡面來爭取這個公建的一些相關的﹗醫師關於學校的活動中心這個秀山經費其實本身已經爭取到有點氣餒更何況是學校\n438584\t438604\t﹚陳秀寳\n468904\t495821\t針對活動中心補充器材及秀山活動中心送案的清單,這不是全部喔,很多學校都已經送案送都不想送了,因為他們的心聲就是反正我送的就是石城大海,也不會有什麼結果。那在本席的選區文開國小呢,外牆秀山的部分經費就高達2200萬,這個在地方政府是沒有辦法負擔,一定要中央的來協助。所以本席在這邊呢要見請院長,您能比照PU跑道以及廁所秀山的方式呢,來設置活動中心秀山的專案經費。\n497362\t497482\t﹚陳秀寳﹚陳秀寳﹚\n519099\t520520\t好,非常感謝委員。我認為無論是PU跑道\n538447\t538467\t﹚陳秀寳\n561877\t561897\t國務部長\n593393\t611332\t經濟部郭部長請備詢。部長好,接下來秀寳要為我們彰化縣的中小企業發聲。院長您知不知道目前彰化縣的中小企業大概有多少家?\n613790\t634657\t張嬅縣的中小企業大概有1萬2千多家,其中員工人數10人以下的占企業的比例大概是53%,但是很多中小企業跟本席反映他們感受不到政府的重視。臺灣的經濟很多是靠中小企業來支撐,但是他們企業主感覺說政府對他們是很忽視的,讓他們也產生了相對的剝奪感。\n635757\t651890\t院長您的口頭報告裡面也有說會提到積極的推動中小企業以及傳產的轉型但是中小企業的新生卻一直都沒有傳到中央的耳朵那其中跟中小企業最相關的這個工商普查部長您知道工商普查多久普查一次大概普查什麼項目嗎?\n653237\t677514\t我目前不知道公商普查其實目的是為了輔助政府規劃經濟建設以及業者他們在推廣業務的時候的參與但是中小企業就直指說其實公商普查查不出來中小企業現在面臨的經營困境跟危機只是一種形式那過去我們在產業對談這樣子的服務當中協助當中有多少是真正顧及到中小企業這個本席也覺得很保留\n678234\t697946\t但是對於提供中小企業的協助如果說一時我們沒有這麼多的人力來了解跟協助中小企業本期希望說在我們現有的這個工商普查的基準之下我們來優化程序是不是透過工商普查這個填單的調查對談意願然後呢我們實際上與中小企業來對談院長你覺得呢?\n701823\t718552\t我們不僅對中小企業,我們對中小微企業都應該全力的來了解它的困難,因為國家不可能只在照顧到高科技的產業。那中小微企業尤其中小企業又是台灣經濟的主幹,人數最多。\n719372\t719392\t﹚陳秀寳\n745420\t759293\t謝謝院長您對中小企業及微企業的肯定也願意來支持。本期希望說新政府也可以將中小企業的需求放在心上。其實每個行業別中生產的品香跟製程\n759833\t759853\t﹚陳秀寳﹚\n784330\t808147\t這是一個非常詭異的現象,我們本席所在的彰化縣是再生能源發電的大縣。彰化縣是綠電大縣,但是我們彰化縣的中小企業卻買不到綠電。我們有2050年淨零碳排的目標,我們有2025年要開徵碳稅,2026年歐盟將收碳邊境稅,而我們彰化縣的第三支一期的離岸風電在2027年會併網。\n811349\t833190\t張化憲在綠電的發展跟設置上其實舉足輕重,但是我們的中小企業卻買不到綠電而面臨經營危機,請問這個問題經濟部你們有注意到嗎?這一部分我們有注意到,我們現在已經啟動所有的普查,那麼我們會把這些綠電的部分呢,把它撥出來,那麼讓這中小企業它有需要的可以買得到。\n833929\t858594\t謝謝部長你們也有注意到我中小企業就是說我們其實彰化縣的中小企業的這個產品的外銷比例是很高的那目前國際貿易商針對產品是有要求要一定比例用乾淨能源那目前呢他們要跟綠電公司買電其實有很高的這個信用的平等喔那回到一開始本期所講的其實彰化縣的企業中小企業有12000多家那其中10人以下的企業佔53%\n860774\t884219\t所以這個高信用平等的門檻對中小企業來講是非常難達到的。所以綠電根本是看得到買不到這樣的抱怨在我們地方是盛銷城上。所以本席希望說經濟部必須重視地方的聲音。這些建設這些不方便都在我們彰化縣但是最基本的回饋的額度如果我們還是要不到的話對彰化縣的中小企業是非常不公平。\n884719\t909675\t那檢探式這個國際趨勢也會變成企業的這個基本的生存力所以說我們希望在發展半導體跟AI這個時候也一定要兼顧在地中小企業的需求那經濟部現在已經有方案如何來協助這些中小企業了嗎?你們已經有正式的去調查過吧?報告委員我們現在這個計畫已經提出來準備要跟環境部討論這個攤費的問題那還要多久?\n913905\t917746\t謝謝委員這個我會請他們在一個月當中把未來的時程規劃出來向大家知道這個時程要怎麼樣進行推動所以應該先規劃出來\n949374\t949394\t謝謝陳委員\n","txt":"謝主席請卓院長以及交通部理部長請卓院長備詢交通部理部長陳委員好\n議員長早安部長早安那在我的質詢之前呢我先請教院長一個新聞議題喔前美軍駐伊拉克政治顧問也是前北約駐阿富汗國際安全部隊的顧問今天會訪台\n謝謝陳委員\n﹗\n所有民主夥伴國家能夠像重視臺灣的科技發展一樣也重視臺灣安全跟其他的這個防衛的問題所以任何是正面的善意的友善的這個對臺灣提出任何的建議我覺得我們用開放的態度但是終結的目的只有一個我們反對武力反對暴力我們堅持用和平的方式來促進印太地區的穩定跟發展\n謝謝院長表達您的看法,其實兩岸維持一段很長時間的這樣子一個巧妙的平衡,那如果劃平衡為合作,將惡性循環能夠轉為良性的擴散,我想也是大家需要去努力的,謝謝院長。接下來回到秀寳的質詢為地方發聲。\n其實我相信本席跟民眾都非常期待新的團隊上任之後,行政院能夠推動更多的福國利民的政策,而且希望對過往的重要的建設延續能夠持續積極的辦理。那本席選區的美港公路高架化。\n就是需要院長及部長的支持並大力推動的這個重要的地方建設。原本美港公路的高價化可景性評估期末報告是預計在110年的9月就要提出,後來一直拖延到今年的3月才提出。\n那後續的綜合規劃的部分預計在今年底以及明年中會提出期中跟期末的報告那院長這邊我代替我們的鄉親來請求我們院長跟部長這邊有沒有辦法加緊這個腳步能夠盡快的來協助比如說今年底是不是就可以直接提出綜合規劃的期末報告把之前延宕的這個兩年半的時間趕下進度\n謝謝委員。長期委員對地方的關心,我想地方的人民都非常的清楚而了解。那我們也是,我直接在行政院看到委員相當多的在地方建設上的提議都非常的寶貴。那針對這一件就是61線,台61線西濱快速道路連接國三的這個河美交流道這個路線。\n謝謝院長,那請部長您。\n跟委員報告,這一條快速道路確實是有非常重要的價值,因為它可以紓解車流,讓國一、國三跟西濱可以來。對,我想現在大概最大的關鍵是環評。\n因為這個部分這個是一個新的快速道路所以原則上是要做二階環評那一般二階環評他至少要有一年四季相關的環境的這個基本資料的調查所以通常二階環評會持續需要的時間大概兩到三年那我們會來跟環境部再溝通看怎麼樣因為他是就是一個大概6.5公里的一個快速道路\n這個就請部長您這邊來協助是不是盡快可以在其中可以比較縮短的一些時程期程盡量的來因為之前已經延宕了很久了而且這邊要跟院長及部長來請求就是美港公路的這個預算它的經費比較高是高達167億\n那後續預算的編列是不是可以優先編列我們提早來做這個準備因為一次編列這樣的預算我不知道說院方跟部裡面是不是可以就這樣子質疑那是不是應該提早來做準備我想只要中規順利通過那麼相關的公建計畫就會開始逐年編列預算那如果可以提早辦理用地那就可以分散那個編列的壓力院長跟部長應該知道說其實這條美港公路高架劃分已經追了5年\n﹚陳秀寳﹚\n拜託長請備詢請政部長\n接下來這個議題在上一屆的總質詢以及新任部長上任之後的委員會詢答秀寳都有請教過那請我們部長院長一起先看一下這個相片這個是本期選區學校活動中心的現況關於活動中心的修繕的這個問題本期已經追了很久那院長跟部長看到這個建築物的狀況會認為這是有足夠的安全可以提供給孩子使用的場地嗎\n委員．陳秀寳\n跟委員報告這一個改善我們中小學的這些老舊教室整建我想那是我們既定的一個政策那我們現在不僅是前面在盤點以108年到112年我們事實上整個教育部在國教署投入了這一個64億\n那最近的這些的這些所有的這一些老舊教室包括漏水、廠藝的一個改善我們會積極的來這一個如果這個經費在內部上年度是不足我想我們會來跟行政院裡面來爭取這個公建的一些相關的﹗醫師關於學校的活動中心這個秀山經費其實本身已經爭取到有點氣餒更何況是學校\n﹚陳秀寳\n針對活動中心補充器材及秀山活動中心送案的清單,這不是全部喔,很多學校都已經送案送都不想送了,因為他們的心聲就是反正我送的就是石城大海,也不會有什麼結果。那在本席的選區文開國小呢,外牆秀山的部分經費就高達2200萬,這個在地方政府是沒有辦法負擔,一定要中央的來協助。所以本席在這邊呢要見請院長,您能比照PU跑道以及廁所秀山的方式呢,來設置活動中心秀山的專案經費。\n﹚陳秀寳﹚陳秀寳﹚\n好,非常感謝委員。我認為無論是PU跑道\n﹚陳秀寳\n國務部長\n經濟部郭部長請備詢。部長好,接下來秀寳要為我們彰化縣的中小企業發聲。院長您知不知道目前彰化縣的中小企業大概有多少家?\n張嬅縣的中小企業大概有1萬2千多家,其中員工人數10人以下的占企業的比例大概是53%,但是很多中小企業跟本席反映他們感受不到政府的重視。臺灣的經濟很多是靠中小企業來支撐,但是他們企業主感覺說政府對他們是很忽視的,讓他們也產生了相對的剝奪感。\n院長您的口頭報告裡面也有說會提到積極的推動中小企業以及傳產的轉型但是中小企業的新生卻一直都沒有傳到中央的耳朵那其中跟中小企業最相關的這個工商普查部長您知道工商普查多久普查一次大概普查什麼項目嗎?\n我目前不知道公商普查其實目的是為了輔助政府規劃經濟建設以及業者他們在推廣業務的時候的參與但是中小企業就直指說其實公商普查查不出來中小企業現在面臨的經營困境跟危機只是一種形式那過去我們在產業對談這樣子的服務當中協助當中有多少是真正顧及到中小企業這個本席也覺得很保留\n但是對於提供中小企業的協助如果說一時我們沒有這麼多的人力來了解跟協助中小企業本期希望說在我們現有的這個工商普查的基準之下我們來優化程序是不是透過工商普查這個填單的調查對談意願然後呢我們實際上與中小企業來對談院長你覺得呢?\n我們不僅對中小企業,我們對中小微企業都應該全力的來了解它的困難,因為國家不可能只在照顧到高科技的產業。那中小微企業尤其中小企業又是台灣經濟的主幹,人數最多。\n﹚陳秀寳\n謝謝院長您對中小企業及微企業的肯定也願意來支持。本期希望說新政府也可以將中小企業的需求放在心上。其實每個行業別中生產的品香跟製程\n﹚陳秀寳﹚\n這是一個非常詭異的現象,我們本席所在的彰化縣是再生能源發電的大縣。彰化縣是綠電大縣,但是我們彰化縣的中小企業卻買不到綠電。我們有2050年淨零碳排的目標,我們有2025年要開徵碳稅,2026年歐盟將收碳邊境稅,而我們彰化縣的第三支一期的離岸風電在2027年會併網。\n張化憲在綠電的發展跟設置上其實舉足輕重,但是我們的中小企業卻買不到綠電而面臨經營危機,請問這個問題經濟部你們有注意到嗎?這一部分我們有注意到,我們現在已經啟動所有的普查,那麼我們會把這些綠電的部分呢,把它撥出來,那麼讓這中小企業它有需要的可以買得到。\n謝謝部長你們也有注意到我中小企業就是說我們其實彰化縣的中小企業的這個產品的外銷比例是很高的那目前國際貿易商針對產品是有要求要一定比例用乾淨能源那目前呢他們要跟綠電公司買電其實有很高的這個信用的平等喔那回到一開始本期所講的其實彰化縣的企業中小企業有12000多家那其中10人以下的企業佔53%\n所以這個高信用平等的門檻對中小企業來講是非常難達到的。所以綠電根本是看得到買不到這樣的抱怨在我們地方是盛銷城上。所以本席希望說經濟部必須重視地方的聲音。這些建設這些不方便都在我們彰化縣但是最基本的回饋的額度如果我們還是要不到的話對彰化縣的中小企業是非常不公平。\n那檢探式這個國際趨勢也會變成企業的這個基本的生存力所以說我們希望在發展半導體跟AI這個時候也一定要兼顧在地中小企業的需求那經濟部現在已經有方案如何來協助這些中小企業了嗎?你們已經有正式的去調查過吧?報告委員我們現在這個計畫已經提出來準備要跟環境部討論這個攤費的問題那還要多久?\n謝謝委員這個我會請他們在一個月當中把未來的時程規劃出來向大家知道這個時程要怎麼樣進行推動所以應該先規劃出來\n謝謝陳委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:09.961 --> 00:16.767\n謝主席請卓院長以及交通部理部長請卓院長備詢交通部理部長陳委員好\n\n00:30.379 --> 00:43.727\n議員長早安部長早安那在我的質詢之前呢我先請教院長一個新聞議題喔前美軍駐伊拉克政治顧問也是前北約駐阿富汗國際安全部隊的顧問今天會訪台\n\n00:46.628 --> 00:46.648\n謝謝陳委員\n\n01:26.337 --> 01:51.659\n所有民主夥伴國家能夠像重視臺灣的科技發展一樣也重視臺灣安全跟其他的這個防衛的問題所以任何是正面的善意的友善的這個對臺灣提出任何的建議我覺得我們用開放的態度但是終結的目的只有一個我們反對武力反對暴力我們堅持用和平的方式來促進印太地區的穩定跟發展\n\n01:52.445 --> 02:07.551\n謝謝院長表達您的看法,其實兩岸維持一段很長時間的這樣子一個巧妙的平衡,那如果劃平衡為合作,將惡性循環能夠轉為良性的擴散,我想也是大家需要去努力的,謝謝院長。接下來回到秀寳的質詢為地方發聲。\n\n02:10.652 --> 02:26.964\n其實我相信本席跟民眾都非常期待新的團隊上任之後,行政院能夠推動更多的福國利民的政策,而且希望對過往的重要的建設延續能夠持續積極的辦理。那本席選區的美港公路高架化。\n\n02:34.164 --> 02:48.891\n就是需要院長及部長的支持並大力推動的這個重要的地方建設。原本美港公路的高價化可景性評估期末報告是預計在110年的9月就要提出,後來一直拖延到今年的3月才提出。\n\n02:49.431 --> 03:08.859\n那後續的綜合規劃的部分預計在今年底以及明年中會提出期中跟期末的報告那院長這邊我代替我們的鄉親來請求我們院長跟部長這邊有沒有辦法加緊這個腳步能夠盡快的來協助比如說今年底是不是就可以直接提出綜合規劃的期末報告把之前延宕的這個兩年半的時間趕下進度\n\n03:12.204 --> 03:32.229\n謝謝委員。長期委員對地方的關心,我想地方的人民都非常的清楚而了解。那我們也是,我直接在行政院看到委員相當多的在地方建設上的提議都非常的寶貴。那針對這一件就是61線,台61線西濱快速道路連接國三的這個河美交流道這個路線。\n\n03:33.029 --> 03:33.209\n謝謝院長,那請部長您。\n\n03:46.269 --> 03:59.141\n跟委員報告,這一條快速道路確實是有非常重要的價值,因為它可以紓解車流,讓國一、國三跟西濱可以來。對,我想現在大概最大的關鍵是環評。\n\n04:05.006 --> 04:28.355\n因為這個部分這個是一個新的快速道路所以原則上是要做二階環評那一般二階環評他至少要有一年四季相關的環境的這個基本資料的調查所以通常二階環評會持續需要的時間大概兩到三年那我們會來跟環境部再溝通看怎麼樣因為他是就是一個大概6.5公里的一個快速道路\n\n04:29.275 --> 04:46.363\n這個就請部長您這邊來協助是不是盡快可以在其中可以比較縮短的一些時程期程盡量的來因為之前已經延宕了很久了而且這邊要跟院長及部長來請求就是美港公路的這個預算它的經費比較高是高達167億\n\n04:47.924 --> 05:17.559\n那後續預算的編列是不是可以優先編列我們提早來做這個準備因為一次編列這樣的預算我不知道說院方跟部裡面是不是可以就這樣子質疑那是不是應該提早來做準備我想只要中規順利通過那麼相關的公建計畫就會開始逐年編列預算那如果可以提早辦理用地那就可以分散那個編列的壓力院長跟部長應該知道說其實這條美港公路高架劃分已經追了5年\n\n05:17.779 --> 05:17.799\n﹚陳秀寳﹚\n\n05:47.076 --> 05:47.359\n拜託長請備詢請政部長\n\n05:52.540 --> 06:16.902\n接下來這個議題在上一屆的總質詢以及新任部長上任之後的委員會詢答秀寳都有請教過那請我們部長院長一起先看一下這個相片這個是本期選區學校活動中心的現況關於活動中心的修繕的這個問題本期已經追了很久那院長跟部長看到這個建築物的狀況會認為這是有足夠的安全可以提供給孩子使用的場地嗎\n\n06:17.623 --> 06:17.823\n委員．陳秀寳\n\n06:36.035 --> 06:52.261\n跟委員報告這一個改善我們中小學的這些老舊教室整建我想那是我們既定的一個政策那我們現在不僅是前面在盤點以108年到112年我們事實上整個教育部在國教署投入了這一個64億\n\n06:53.962 --> 07:16.923\n那最近的這些的這些所有的這一些老舊教室包括漏水、廠藝的一個改善我們會積極的來這一個如果這個經費在內部上年度是不足我想我們會來跟行政院裡面來爭取這個公建的一些相關的﹗醫師關於學校的活動中心這個秀山經費其實本身已經爭取到有點氣餒更何況是學校\n\n07:18.584 --> 07:18.604\n﹚陳秀寳\n\n07:48.904 --> 08:15.821\n針對活動中心補充器材及秀山活動中心送案的清單,這不是全部喔,很多學校都已經送案送都不想送了,因為他們的心聲就是反正我送的就是石城大海,也不會有什麼結果。那在本席的選區文開國小呢,外牆秀山的部分經費就高達2200萬,這個在地方政府是沒有辦法負擔,一定要中央的來協助。所以本席在這邊呢要見請院長,您能比照PU跑道以及廁所秀山的方式呢,來設置活動中心秀山的專案經費。\n\n08:17.362 --> 08:17.482\n﹚陳秀寳﹚陳秀寳﹚\n\n08:39.099 --> 08:40.520\n好,非常感謝委員。我認為無論是PU跑道\n\n08:58.447 --> 08:58.467\n﹚陳秀寳\n\n09:21.877 --> 09:21.897\n國務部長\n\n09:53.393 --> 10:11.332\n經濟部郭部長請備詢。部長好,接下來秀寳要為我們彰化縣的中小企業發聲。院長您知不知道目前彰化縣的中小企業大概有多少家?\n\n10:13.790 --> 10:34.657\n張嬅縣的中小企業大概有1萬2千多家,其中員工人數10人以下的占企業的比例大概是53%,但是很多中小企業跟本席反映他們感受不到政府的重視。臺灣的經濟很多是靠中小企業來支撐,但是他們企業主感覺說政府對他們是很忽視的,讓他們也產生了相對的剝奪感。\n\n10:35.757 --> 10:51.890\n院長您的口頭報告裡面也有說會提到積極的推動中小企業以及傳產的轉型但是中小企業的新生卻一直都沒有傳到中央的耳朵那其中跟中小企業最相關的這個工商普查部長您知道工商普查多久普查一次大概普查什麼項目嗎?\n\n10:53.237 --> 11:17.514\n我目前不知道公商普查其實目的是為了輔助政府規劃經濟建設以及業者他們在推廣業務的時候的參與但是中小企業就直指說其實公商普查查不出來中小企業現在面臨的經營困境跟危機只是一種形式那過去我們在產業對談這樣子的服務當中協助當中有多少是真正顧及到中小企業這個本席也覺得很保留\n\n11:18.234 --> 11:37.946\n但是對於提供中小企業的協助如果說一時我們沒有這麼多的人力來了解跟協助中小企業本期希望說在我們現有的這個工商普查的基準之下我們來優化程序是不是透過工商普查這個填單的調查對談意願然後呢我們實際上與中小企業來對談院長你覺得呢?\n\n11:41.823 --> 11:58.552\n我們不僅對中小企業,我們對中小微企業都應該全力的來了解它的困難,因為國家不可能只在照顧到高科技的產業。那中小微企業尤其中小企業又是台灣經濟的主幹,人數最多。\n\n11:59.372 --> 11:59.392\n﹚陳秀寳\n\n12:25.420 --> 12:39.293\n謝謝院長您對中小企業及微企業的肯定也願意來支持。本期希望說新政府也可以將中小企業的需求放在心上。其實每個行業別中生產的品香跟製程\n\n12:39.833 --> 12:39.853\n﹚陳秀寳﹚\n\n13:04.330 --> 13:28.147\n這是一個非常詭異的現象,我們本席所在的彰化縣是再生能源發電的大縣。彰化縣是綠電大縣,但是我們彰化縣的中小企業卻買不到綠電。我們有2050年淨零碳排的目標,我們有2025年要開徵碳稅,2026年歐盟將收碳邊境稅,而我們彰化縣的第三支一期的離岸風電在2027年會併網。\n\n13:31.349 --> 13:53.190\n張化憲在綠電的發展跟設置上其實舉足輕重,但是我們的中小企業卻買不到綠電而面臨經營危機,請問這個問題經濟部你們有注意到嗎?這一部分我們有注意到,我們現在已經啟動所有的普查,那麼我們會把這些綠電的部分呢,把它撥出來,那麼讓這中小企業它有需要的可以買得到。\n\n13:53.929 --> 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