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的空間，也就是我們必須第一個，增加部會的總數，第二個，修法直接取消部會總量的限制。院長，你現在打算怎麼樣來做，無論如何都是需要修法？"],["卓院長榮泰：依據中央行政機關組織基準法，行政院二、三級機關已經滿了，我們希望跟大院一起來努力，能夠把這個現況打破掉，讓我們能夠增加社會上大家期待的體育專責部會。"],["吳委員沛憶：院長，在野黨也有很多立委支持體育署要升格，但是修法必須是前提，我非常擔心，因為目前我們看到很多法案的修法都卡在在野黨的阻擋，所以我希望你們一定要加強溝通，千萬不能再因為在野黨為反而反。沒有修法，體育署就沒辦法升格為體育部，這個事情已經等太久了，體育界都期待許久，我們加強溝通，趕快完成修法，讓我們的體育署這次可以順利升格，可不可以做到？"],["卓院長榮泰：謝謝，這應該有高度的共識，我們一起來努力。"],["吳委員沛憶：謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝吳委員，也謝謝卓院長。","下一位請王委員鴻薇質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":173,"meet_id":"院會-11-1-17","speakers":["江啟臣","陳秀寳","葛如鈞","黃建賓","劉建國","柯志恩","沈伯洋","萬美玲","吳沛憶","王鴻薇","范雲","王育敏","李坤城","林憶君","王美惠","邱志偉"],"page_start":89,"meetingDate":["2024-06-11"],"gazette_id":"1135401","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1135401_00003","1135401_00004"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第1會期第17次會議紀錄","content":"施政質詢\n對行政院院長報告施政方針繼續質詢─ 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00:02:16,450\n是的,我們在復議案提出的公文當中我們已經詳細的寫清楚了幾大的理由我相信這個已經社會上已經引起了討論那我們這個討論希望落實在條文裡面大家再一一的去檢視。謝謝委員。院長,前面今天也質詢了一段時間上午我看到因為我們在野黨的委員非常的關心一直在詢問你說黃仁勳執行長來到台灣他說台灣是世界上非常重要的國家所以國人都很關注\n\n7\n00:02:17,352 --> 00:02:37,111\n到底要去哪一個夜市?要在哪裡設廠?那我們在野黨的委員一直非常關心詢問你說欸院長你有沒有跟黃仁勳執行長餐敘吃飯啊?所以院長你們有吃飯嗎?謝謝委員早上葛如君委員在這樣詢問的時候啊我們的國發主委他是談到說\n\n8\n00:02:38,749 --> 00:02:38,769\n吳沛憶\n\n9\n00:02:58,214 --> 00:03:13,850\n是我想AI產業的發展我們政府要做的是站在產業的背後當他們最大的後盾那因為我在教育文化委員會所以我們跟國科會一直在關切最重要的是我們的AI基本法草案要趕快提出來\n\n10\n00:03:14,631 --> 00:03:29,261\n目前國會會承諾我們10月份草案就會提出。院長我們能不能再次承諾AI基本法草案我們趕快提出來由政府來做產業的後盾來加強台灣AI產業在世界上面競爭的優勢。我們是不是一定可以做得到?\n\n11\n00:03:30,031 --> 00:03:47,552\n我們在AI基本法草案裡面時程已經在進行那幾個重點包括我們強調人類的自主包括飲食權人格權以及不歧視等等同時我更希望AI的創新我們還要加兩個字是民主AI的創新\n\n12\n00:03:48,613 --> 00:04:17,461\n是站在維護人權保障民主更維護個人隱私的這個強度上面去而不是用AI去侵犯人權破壞人權破壞整個社會的安定我覺得這個是在我們倡導AI創新當中必須去堅持的是AI的法規國際上面已經開始進行臺灣也千萬不能落後那接下來跟院長關心的是都市更新因為臺北市的老房子已經全國最多很多人以為是臺南其實不是就在我們臺北\n\n13\n00:04:18,257 --> 00:04:25,419\n那前陣子花蓮發生地震之後就在我的選區南機場的社區老舊公寓一整排的\n\n14\n00:04:26,130 --> 00:04:26,150\n吳沛憶議員\n\n15\n00:04:52,857 --> 00:04:52,877\n﹚吳沛憶\n\n16\n00:05:13,063 --> 00:05:13,083\n吳沛憶\n\n17\n00:05:23,905 --> 00:05:23,925\n吳沛憶議員\n\n18\n00:05:48,311 --> 00:06:05,439\n由中央來協助地方政府,我們一起來討論合作,是不是找到土地找到空間,來協助提供都更的中繼站,讓它成為一種模式,我們是不是可以來跟地方政府來討論看看有沒有相關的需求,可以用什麼樣的方式來進行合作。\n\n19\n00:06:05,819 --> 00:06:08,021\n好,我請劉部長來說明一下細節的問題。\n\n20\n00:06:25,034 --> 00:06:25,054\n吳沛憶\n\n21\n00:06:41,572 --> 00:07:08,002\n這個關鍵點是在這兩個房子能不能同時接的上去,如果接不上去的話,空有美意,大概也沒有辦法完全執行。所以院長就是今天,我一定要在此提出來就是,中央跟地方的溝通討論很重要。那我希望我們的這個合作是可以跨越黨派的,只要民眾有需求,中央我們不管在土地、在資源、在協調、行政協調方面,有辦法協助我們都盡量來協助,多跟地方來討論好不好。\n\n22\n00:07:09,744 --> 00:07:22,364\n謝謝委員我始終覺得任何的改革跟進步是要為大多數人謀幸福但過程也不能忽略了不要造成少部分人的痛苦所以這兩相平衡我們務必要做到\n\n23\n00:07:22,964 --> 00:07:50,102\n好謝謝那接下來呢要跟院長討論是我覺得非常重要的是我們的國軍改革我們的國防部長部長上任不到一個月那提出了很有亮點的國軍改革那我自己沒有當過兵但我非常多的朋友一直在傳那個訊息給我說終於等到這一天啊院長我想先請問你你覺得我們這一波國軍改革當中你覺得最有感的是哪幾項\n\n24\n00:07:51,568 --> 00:08:03,822\n這也是一種進步我們請顧部長來用他一種不一樣的思維來給國軍進行新的一個面貌比方說他提出的這個刺槍\n\n25\n00:08:05,313 --> 00:08:05,333\n吳沛憶議員\n\n26\n00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:48,566\n跟委員報告,我想主要是重點是在於強調實戰化的訓練,那不合乎實戰化訓練的這個部分呢,我們就會加以考量用檢法的方式來加以匯除。那傳統的那個刺槍術呢,比較屬於形式主義跟表演性質的部分,我們會把它拿掉。\n\n27\n00:08:49,195 --> 00:09:10,687\n那我們有一個基本訓練的科目叫做近戰格鬥,那不管是用槍用刀或者是用木棍來從事這個近戰格鬥是我們仍然會維繫的,但是重點是在強調實戰化的訓練。那有關於放寬這個出國的這個有關一定要參加團課這個部分,因為自由行的限制\n\n28\n00:09:11,738 --> 00:09:12,278\n刺槍術踢正步\n\n29\n00:09:40,128 --> 00:09:40,148\n吳沛憶\n\n30\n00:09:57,928 --> 00:09:57,948\n吳沛憶\n\n31\n00:10:23,097 --> 00:10:30,023\n對,我們每一項檢討,如果它是不符合實戰化訓練的要求,不符合我們聯合作戰的人力的提升的這個部分,我們都可以想辦法把它一一的剪除掉,然後來加強戰訓的本務。\n\n32\n00:10:51,866 --> 00:10:56,364\n說軍人重點是戰訓的本物要加強,讓他的戰鬥的技能能夠提升。\n\n33\n00:10:57,247 --> 00:11:23,025\n好謝謝部長院長我想任何一項改革壓力都會有壓力也會很大但是國軍改革破除形式主義以實戰需求為主這是一個國際的標準那國人也相當支持你們請你們務必要堅持繼續下去好不好是的好謝謝那接下來是這個院長我們賴清德總統是狗派蕭美琴副總統是貓派不知道你有沒有也飼養犬貓的經驗呢\n\n34\n00:11:25,455 --> 00:11:40,523\n我曾經也養過狗。你也養過狗,你也是狗派。我也養過貓。那我們農業部上個月發布一項數字,在統計我們全國家犬家貓飼養的數量。那這個寵物狗呢是148萬隻,較前一年增加了兩成。\n\n35\n00:11:43,405 --> 00:11:44,646\n吳沛憶吳沛憶吳沛憶吳沛憶吳沛憶吳沛憶吳沛憶吳沛憶吳沛憶\n\n36\n00:12:25,066 --> 00:12:48,353\n也就是說法規不足讓民眾沒辦法消除疑慮甚至產生更多的擔心我舉一個例子為什麼法規需要加強例如我們寵物食安的通報機制我們有沒有明確的SOP來分中央跟地方的權責例如我們該檢驗哪些項目那我們採的是哪一套的國際標準多少的時間要來轉動式檢討\n\n37\n00:12:50,934 --> 00:13:18,444\n再來我們地方的動保機關在接到檢舉之後有沒有去稽查那查了資料廠之後有沒有去追蹤溯源資料廠的上游廠商這過去我們在人的食安管理當中這幾年我們已經有相當大制度的進展跟改革了但是我們看到寵物食品的食安管理顯然還沒有跟上時代的需求那其實呢臺灣的寵物食品管理專法的立法討論\n\n38\n00:13:20,224 --> 00:13:42,077\n20年前就開始了。2004年當時發生了保祿事件有將近8500隻的狗狗因為問題的飼料疑似產生腎衰竭的死亡就很多的民間團體開始在倡議我們需要立專法來管理讓我們的寵物食品安全能夠有效被規範\n\n39\n00:13:43,942 --> 00:14:07,789\n但是很遺憾的是20年過去了我們還沒有開始啟動立法的工作在日本已經有寵物食品專法加拿大有動物健康法所以今天我想要請問院長的是我們等這一句話已經等了20年了我們今年度我們可不可以來啟動寵物食品管理專法的立法作業\n\n40\n00:14:09,692 --> 00:14:13,033\n趕緊來召開公聽會瞭解需求開始啟動立法作業。\n\n41\n00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:48,394\n我跟委員做一個補充,就是整個的這個寵物食品大概我們未來會從溯源的部分去著手,然後包括進口的寵物的食品跟食品,包括國產的寵物食品,從製造到甚至於銷售也有這個。院長,最後30秒的時間我必須要請教你,因為我非常的關心我們的體育署要升格為體育部,\n\n42\n00:14:57,663 --> 00:15:25,809\n這也是我寫在選舉公報上的政見。院長你也說要升格體育部必須打破現在的規模讓行政院有餘裕的空間也就是我們必須第一個要嘛增加部會的總數第二個修法好直接取消總就部會總量的限制院長你現在打算怎麼樣來做?無論如何都是需要修法。中央機關組織基準法就行政院二三級機關已經滿了那我們希望跟大院一起來努力把這個\n\n43\n00:15:27,029 --> 00:15:30,114\n這個情況能夠把他打破掉,讓我們能夠增加社會上大家...\n\n44\n00:15:38,750 --> 00:15:38,770\n吳沛憶\n\n45\n00:16:07,018 --> 00:16:13,266\n好,謝謝吳委員,謝謝卓院長。下一位請王委員、洪威質詢。\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n10446\t14538\t謝謝主席,我請行政院卓榮泰院長請卓院長備詢\n24963\t51371\t吳委員好。院長好。我們相當的關心立法院前陣子沒有討論就來通過了國會擴權法案。所以行政院也依法來提出復議案。那今天賴清德總統也已經核定了復議案的生效。所以我想請問院長,因為賴清德總統也說他希望呢朝野各政黨能夠再次的審慎來檢視此案。院長\n54432\t56894\t你認為要再加強溝通嗎?\n56894\t78429\t是賴總統一定是很審慎的評估過整個復議案的內容他認為這個時候如果能夠給大院這一次的審慎這個條文的內容那麼經過更民主的對話應該是人民可以更了解整個法案的內容所以我願意朝這個方向跟大家一起來努力\n78880\t106605\t是我也認為我們應該要用我們最大的誠意來加強溝通那不只是立法院裡面朝野要溝通行政院跟社會大眾也要溝通很多的民眾經過這段時間看到了10萬人上街頭看到了新聞每天的報導都相當的關心立法院通過國會擴權法案對一般民眾會有什麼樣的影響行政院為什麼提出復議案我也希望行政院能再加強跟社會大眾的溝通說明可以嗎\n107285\t136450\t是的,我們在復議案提出的公文當中我們已經詳細的寫清楚了幾大的理由我相信這個已經社會上已經引起了討論那我們這個討論希望落實在條文裡面大家再一一的去檢視。謝謝委員。院長,前面今天也質詢了一段時間上午我看到因為我們在野黨的委員非常的關心一直在詢問你說黃仁勳執行長來到台灣他說台灣是世界上非常重要的國家所以國人都很關注\n137352\t157111\t到底要去哪一個夜市?要在哪裡設廠?那我們在野黨的委員一直非常關心詢問你說 欸院長你有沒有跟黃仁勳執行長餐敘吃飯啊?所以院長你們有吃飯嗎?謝謝委員 早上葛如君委員在這樣詢問的時候啊我們的國發主委他是談到說\n158749\t158769\t吳沛憶\n178214\t193850\t是我想AI產業的發展我們政府要做的是站在產業的背後當他們最大的後盾那因為我在教育文化委員會所以我們跟國科會一直在關切最重要的是我們的AI基本法草案要趕快提出來\n194631\t209261\t目前國會會承諾我們10月份草案就會提出。 院長我們能不能再次承諾AI基本法草案我們趕快提出來由政府來做產業的後盾來加強台灣AI產業在世界上面競爭的優勢。 我們是不是一定可以做得到?\n210031\t227552\t我們在AI基本法草案裡面時程已經在進行那幾個重點包括我們強調人類的自主包括飲食權人格權以及不歧視等等同時我更希望AI的創新我們還要加兩個字是民主AI的創新\n228613\t257461\t是站在維護人權保障民主更維護個人隱私的這個強度上面去而不是用AI去侵犯人權破壞人權破壞整個社會的安定我覺得這個是在我們倡導AI創新當中必須去堅持的是AI的法規國際上面已經開始進行臺灣也千萬不能落後那接下來跟院長關心的是都市更新因為臺北市的老房子已經全國最多很多人以為是臺南其實不是就在我們臺北\n258257\t265419\t那前陣子花蓮發生地震之後就在我的選區南機場的社區老舊公寓一整排的\n266130\t266150\t吳沛憶議員\n292857\t292877\t﹚吳沛憶\n313063\t313083\t吳沛憶\n323905\t323925\t吳沛憶議員\n348311\t365439\t由中央來協助地方政府,我們一起來討論合作,是不是找到土地找到空間,來協助提供都更的中繼站,讓它成為一種模式,我們是不是可以來跟地方政府來討論看看有沒有相關的需求,可以用什麼樣的方式來進行合作。\n365819\t368021\t好,我請劉部長來說明一下細節的問題。\n385034\t385054\t吳沛憶\n401572\t428002\t這個關鍵點是在這兩個房子能不能同時接的上去,如果接不上去的話,空有美意,大概也沒有辦法完全執行。 所以院長就是今天,我一定要在此提出來就是,中央跟地方的溝通討論很重要。那我希望我們的這個合作是可以跨越黨派的,只要民眾有需求,中央我們不管在土地、在資源、在協調、行政協調方面,有辦法協助我們都盡量來協助,多跟地方來討論好不好。\n429744\t442364\t謝謝委員我始終覺得任何的改革跟進步是要為大多數人謀幸福但過程也不能忽略了不要造成少部分人的痛苦所以這兩相平衡我們務必要做到\n442964\t470102\t好謝謝那接下來呢要跟院長討論是我覺得非常重要的是我們的國軍改革我們的國防部長部長上任不到一個月那提出了很有亮點的國軍改革那我自己沒有當過兵但我非常多的朋友一直在傳那個訊息給我說終於等到這一天啊院長我想先請問你你覺得我們這一波國軍改革當中你覺得最有感的是哪幾項\n471568\t483822\t這也是一種進步我們請顧部長來用他一種不一樣的思維來給國軍進行新的一個面貌比方說他提出的這個刺槍\n485313\t485333\t吳沛憶議員\n509200\t528566\t跟委員報告,我想主要是重點是在於強調實戰化的訓練,那不合乎實戰化訓練的這個部分呢,我們就會加以考量用檢法的方式來加以匯除。那傳統的那個刺槍術呢,比較屬於形式主義跟表演性質的部分,我們會把它拿掉。\n529195\t550687\t那我們有一個基本訓練的科目叫做近戰格鬥,那不管是用槍用刀或者是用木棍來從事這個近戰格鬥是我們仍然會維繫的,但是重點是在強調實戰化的訓練。那有關於放寬這個出國的這個有關一定要參加團課這個部分,因為自由行的限制\n551738\t552278\t刺槍術踢正步\n580128\t580148\t吳沛憶\n597928\t597948\t吳沛憶\n623097\t630023\t對,我們每一項檢討,如果它是不符合實戰化訓練的要求,不符合我們聯合作戰的人力的提升的這個部分,我們都可以想辦法把它一一的剪除掉,然後來加強戰訓的本務。\n651866\t656364\t說軍人重點是戰訓的本物要加強,讓他的戰鬥的技能能夠提升。\n657247\t683025\t好謝謝部長 院長我想任何一項改革壓力都會有壓力也會很大但是國軍改革破除形式主義以實戰需求為主這是一個國際的標準那國人也相當支持你們請你們務必要堅持繼續下去好不好是的好謝謝那接下來是這個院長我們賴清德總統是狗派蕭美琴副總統是貓派不知道你有沒有也飼養犬貓的經驗呢\n685455\t700523\t我曾經也養過狗。你也養過狗,你也是狗派。我也養過貓。那我們農業部上個月發布一項數字,在統計我們全國家犬家貓飼養的數量。那這個寵物狗呢是148萬隻,較前一年增加了兩成。\n703405\t704646\t吳沛憶吳沛憶吳沛憶吳沛憶吳沛憶吳沛憶吳沛憶吳沛憶吳沛憶\n731613\t744582\t﹗\n745066\t768353\t也就是說法規不足讓民眾沒辦法消除疑慮甚至產生更多的擔心我舉一個例子為什麼法規需要加強例如我們寵物食安的通報機制我們有沒有明確的SOP來分中央跟地方的權責例如我們該檢驗哪些項目那我們採的是哪一套的國際標準多少的時間要來轉動式檢討\n770934\t798444\t再來我們地方的動保機關在接到檢舉之後有沒有去稽查那查了資料廠之後有沒有去追蹤溯源資料廠的上游廠商這過去我們在人的食安管理當中這幾年我們已經有相當大制度的進展跟改革了但是我們看到寵物食品的食安管理顯然還沒有跟上時代的需求那其實呢臺灣的寵物食品管理專法的立法討論\n800224\t822077\t20年前就開始了。2004年當時發生了保祿事件有將近8500隻的狗狗因為問題的飼料疑似產生腎衰竭的死亡就很多的民間團體開始在倡議我們需要立專法來管理讓我們的寵物食品安全能夠有效被規範\n823942\t847789\t但是很遺憾的是20年過去了我們還沒有開始啟動立法的工作在日本已經有寵物食品專法加拿大有動物健康法所以今天我想要請問院長的是我們等這一句話已經等了20年了我們今年度我們可不可以來啟動寵物食品管理專法的立法作業\n849692\t853033\t趕緊來召開公聽會瞭解需求開始啟動立法作業。\n874600\t888394\t我跟委員做一個補充,就是整個的這個寵物食品大概我們未來會從溯源的部分去著手,然後包括進口的寵物的食品跟食品,包括國產的寵物食品,從製造到甚至於銷售也有這個。 院長,最後30秒的時間我必須要請教你,因為我非常的關心我們的體育署要升格為體育部,\n897663\t925809\t這也是我寫在選舉公報上的政見。 院長你也說要升格體育部必須打破現在的規模讓行政院有餘裕的空間也就是我們必須第一個要嘛增加部會的總數第二個修法好直接取消總就部會總量的限制院長你現在打算怎麼樣來做?無論如何都是需要修法。 中央機關組織基準法就行政院二三級機關已經滿了那我們希望跟大院一起來努力把這個\n927029\t930114\t這個情況能夠把他打破掉,讓我們能夠增加社會上大家...\n938750\t938770\t吳沛憶\n967018\t973266\t好,謝謝吳委員,謝謝卓院長。下一位請王委員、洪威質詢。\n","txt":"謝謝主席,我請行政院卓榮泰院長請卓院長備詢\n吳委員好。院長好。我們相當的關心立法院前陣子沒有討論就來通過了國會擴權法案。所以行政院也依法來提出復議案。那今天賴清德總統也已經核定了復議案的生效。所以我想請問院長,因為賴清德總統也說他希望呢朝野各政黨能夠再次的審慎來檢視此案。院長\n你認為要再加強溝通嗎?\n是賴總統一定是很審慎的評估過整個復議案的內容他認為這個時候如果能夠給大院這一次的審慎這個條文的內容那麼經過更民主的對話應該是人民可以更了解整個法案的內容所以我願意朝這個方向跟大家一起來努力\n是我也認為我們應該要用我們最大的誠意來加強溝通那不只是立法院裡面朝野要溝通行政院跟社會大眾也要溝通很多的民眾經過這段時間看到了10萬人上街頭看到了新聞每天的報導都相當的關心立法院通過國會擴權法案對一般民眾會有什麼樣的影響行政院為什麼提出復議案我也希望行政院能再加強跟社會大眾的溝通說明可以嗎\n是的,我們在復議案提出的公文當中我們已經詳細的寫清楚了幾大的理由我相信這個已經社會上已經引起了討論那我們這個討論希望落實在條文裡面大家再一一的去檢視。謝謝委員。院長,前面今天也質詢了一段時間上午我看到因為我們在野黨的委員非常的關心一直在詢問你說黃仁勳執行長來到台灣他說台灣是世界上非常重要的國家所以國人都很關注\n到底要去哪一個夜市?要在哪裡設廠?那我們在野黨的委員一直非常關心詢問你說 欸院長你有沒有跟黃仁勳執行長餐敘吃飯啊?所以院長你們有吃飯嗎?謝謝委員 早上葛如君委員在這樣詢問的時候啊我們的國發主委他是談到說\n吳沛憶\n是我想AI產業的發展我們政府要做的是站在產業的背後當他們最大的後盾那因為我在教育文化委員會所以我們跟國科會一直在關切最重要的是我們的AI基本法草案要趕快提出來\n目前國會會承諾我們10月份草案就會提出。 院長我們能不能再次承諾AI基本法草案我們趕快提出來由政府來做產業的後盾來加強台灣AI產業在世界上面競爭的優勢。 我們是不是一定可以做得到?\n我們在AI基本法草案裡面時程已經在進行那幾個重點包括我們強調人類的自主包括飲食權人格權以及不歧視等等同時我更希望AI的創新我們還要加兩個字是民主AI的創新\n是站在維護人權保障民主更維護個人隱私的這個強度上面去而不是用AI去侵犯人權破壞人權破壞整個社會的安定我覺得這個是在我們倡導AI創新當中必須去堅持的是AI的法規國際上面已經開始進行臺灣也千萬不能落後那接下來跟院長關心的是都市更新因為臺北市的老房子已經全國最多很多人以為是臺南其實不是就在我們臺北\n那前陣子花蓮發生地震之後就在我的選區南機場的社區老舊公寓一整排的\n吳沛憶議員\n﹚吳沛憶\n吳沛憶\n吳沛憶議員\n由中央來協助地方政府,我們一起來討論合作,是不是找到土地找到空間,來協助提供都更的中繼站,讓它成為一種模式,我們是不是可以來跟地方政府來討論看看有沒有相關的需求,可以用什麼樣的方式來進行合作。\n好,我請劉部長來說明一下細節的問題。\n吳沛憶\n這個關鍵點是在這兩個房子能不能同時接的上去,如果接不上去的話,空有美意,大概也沒有辦法完全執行。 所以院長就是今天,我一定要在此提出來就是,中央跟地方的溝通討論很重要。那我希望我們的這個合作是可以跨越黨派的,只要民眾有需求,中央我們不管在土地、在資源、在協調、行政協調方面,有辦法協助我們都盡量來協助,多跟地方來討論好不好。\n謝謝委員我始終覺得任何的改革跟進步是要為大多數人謀幸福但過程也不能忽略了不要造成少部分人的痛苦所以這兩相平衡我們務必要做到\n好謝謝那接下來呢要跟院長討論是我覺得非常重要的是我們的國軍改革我們的國防部長部長上任不到一個月那提出了很有亮點的國軍改革那我自己沒有當過兵但我非常多的朋友一直在傳那個訊息給我說終於等到這一天啊院長我想先請問你你覺得我們這一波國軍改革當中你覺得最有感的是哪幾項\n這也是一種進步我們請顧部長來用他一種不一樣的思維來給國軍進行新的一個面貌比方說他提出的這個刺槍\n吳沛憶議員\n跟委員報告,我想主要是重點是在於強調實戰化的訓練,那不合乎實戰化訓練的這個部分呢,我們就會加以考量用檢法的方式來加以匯除。那傳統的那個刺槍術呢,比較屬於形式主義跟表演性質的部分,我們會把它拿掉。\n那我們有一個基本訓練的科目叫做近戰格鬥,那不管是用槍用刀或者是用木棍來從事這個近戰格鬥是我們仍然會維繫的,但是重點是在強調實戰化的訓練。那有關於放寬這個出國的這個有關一定要參加團課這個部分,因為自由行的限制\n刺槍術踢正步\n吳沛憶\n吳沛憶\n對,我們每一項檢討,如果它是不符合實戰化訓練的要求,不符合我們聯合作戰的人力的提升的這個部分,我們都可以想辦法把它一一的剪除掉,然後來加強戰訓的本務。\n說軍人重點是戰訓的本物要加強,讓他的戰鬥的技能能夠提升。\n好謝謝部長 院長我想任何一項改革壓力都會有壓力也會很大但是國軍改革破除形式主義以實戰需求為主這是一個國際的標準那國人也相當支持你們請你們務必要堅持繼續下去好不好是的好謝謝那接下來是這個院長我們賴清德總統是狗派蕭美琴副總統是貓派不知道你有沒有也飼養犬貓的經驗呢\n我曾經也養過狗。你也養過狗,你也是狗派。我也養過貓。那我們農業部上個月發布一項數字,在統計我們全國家犬家貓飼養的數量。那這個寵物狗呢是148萬隻,較前一年增加了兩成。\n吳沛憶吳沛憶吳沛憶吳沛憶吳沛憶吳沛憶吳沛憶吳沛憶吳沛憶\n﹗\n也就是說法規不足讓民眾沒辦法消除疑慮甚至產生更多的擔心我舉一個例子為什麼法規需要加強例如我們寵物食安的通報機制我們有沒有明確的SOP來分中央跟地方的權責例如我們該檢驗哪些項目那我們採的是哪一套的國際標準多少的時間要來轉動式檢討\n再來我們地方的動保機關在接到檢舉之後有沒有去稽查那查了資料廠之後有沒有去追蹤溯源資料廠的上游廠商這過去我們在人的食安管理當中這幾年我們已經有相當大制度的進展跟改革了但是我們看到寵物食品的食安管理顯然還沒有跟上時代的需求那其實呢臺灣的寵物食品管理專法的立法討論\n20年前就開始了。2004年當時發生了保祿事件有將近8500隻的狗狗因為問題的飼料疑似產生腎衰竭的死亡就很多的民間團體開始在倡議我們需要立專法來管理讓我們的寵物食品安全能夠有效被規範\n但是很遺憾的是20年過去了我們還沒有開始啟動立法的工作在日本已經有寵物食品專法加拿大有動物健康法所以今天我想要請問院長的是我們等這一句話已經等了20年了我們今年度我們可不可以來啟動寵物食品管理專法的立法作業\n趕緊來召開公聽會瞭解需求開始啟動立法作業。\n我跟委員做一個補充,就是整個的這個寵物食品大概我們未來會從溯源的部分去著手,然後包括進口的寵物的食品跟食品,包括國產的寵物食品,從製造到甚至於銷售也有這個。 院長,最後30秒的時間我必須要請教你,因為我非常的關心我們的體育署要升格為體育部,\n這也是我寫在選舉公報上的政見。 院長你也說要升格體育部必須打破現在的規模讓行政院有餘裕的空間也就是我們必須第一個要嘛增加部會的總數第二個修法好直接取消總就部會總量的限制院長你現在打算怎麼樣來做?無論如何都是需要修法。 中央機關組織基準法就行政院二三級機關已經滿了那我們希望跟大院一起來努力把這個\n這個情況能夠把他打破掉,讓我們能夠增加社會上大家...\n吳沛憶\n好,謝謝吳委員,謝謝卓院長。下一位請王委員、洪威質詢。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:10.446 --> 00:14.538\n謝謝主席,我請行政院卓榮泰院長請卓院長備詢\n\n00:24.963 --> 00:51.371\n吳委員好。院長好。我們相當的關心立法院前陣子沒有討論就來通過了國會擴權法案。所以行政院也依法來提出復議案。那今天賴清德總統也已經核定了復議案的生效。所以我想請問院長,因為賴清德總統也說他希望呢朝野各政黨能夠再次的審慎來檢視此案。院長\n\n00:54.432 --> 00:56.894\n你認為要再加強溝通嗎?\n\n00:56.894 --> 01:18.429\n是賴總統一定是很審慎的評估過整個復議案的內容他認為這個時候如果能夠給大院這一次的審慎這個條文的內容那麼經過更民主的對話應該是人民可以更了解整個法案的內容所以我願意朝這個方向跟大家一起來努力\n\n01:18.880 --> 01:46.605\n是我也認為我們應該要用我們最大的誠意來加強溝通那不只是立法院裡面朝野要溝通行政院跟社會大眾也要溝通很多的民眾經過這段時間看到了10萬人上街頭看到了新聞每天的報導都相當的關心立法院通過國會擴權法案對一般民眾會有什麼樣的影響行政院為什麼提出復議案我也希望行政院能再加強跟社會大眾的溝通說明可以嗎\n\n01:47.285 --> 02:16.450\n是的,我們在復議案提出的公文當中我們已經詳細的寫清楚了幾大的理由我相信這個已經社會上已經引起了討論那我們這個討論希望落實在條文裡面大家再一一的去檢視。謝謝委員。院長,前面今天也質詢了一段時間上午我看到因為我們在野黨的委員非常的關心一直在詢問你說黃仁勳執行長來到台灣他說台灣是世界上非常重要的國家所以國人都很關注\n\n02:17.352 --> 02:37.111\n到底要去哪一個夜市?要在哪裡設廠?那我們在野黨的委員一直非常關心詢問你說欸院長你有沒有跟黃仁勳執行長餐敘吃飯啊?所以院長你們有吃飯嗎?謝謝委員早上葛如君委員在這樣詢問的時候啊我們的國發主委他是談到說\n\n02:38.749 --> 02:38.769\n吳沛憶\n\n02:58.214 --> 03:13.850\n是我想AI產業的發展我們政府要做的是站在產業的背後當他們最大的後盾那因為我在教育文化委員會所以我們跟國科會一直在關切最重要的是我們的AI基本法草案要趕快提出來\n\n03:14.631 --> 03:29.261\n目前國會會承諾我們10月份草案就會提出。院長我們能不能再次承諾AI基本法草案我們趕快提出來由政府來做產業的後盾來加強台灣AI產業在世界上面競爭的優勢。我們是不是一定可以做得到?\n\n03:30.031 --> 03:47.552\n我們在AI基本法草案裡面時程已經在進行那幾個重點包括我們強調人類的自主包括飲食權人格權以及不歧視等等同時我更希望AI的創新我們還要加兩個字是民主AI的創新\n\n03:48.613 --> 04:17.461\n是站在維護人權保障民主更維護個人隱私的這個強度上面去而不是用AI去侵犯人權破壞人權破壞整個社會的安定我覺得這個是在我們倡導AI創新當中必須去堅持的是AI的法規國際上面已經開始進行臺灣也千萬不能落後那接下來跟院長關心的是都市更新因為臺北市的老房子已經全國最多很多人以為是臺南其實不是就在我們臺北\n\n04:18.257 --> 04:25.419\n那前陣子花蓮發生地震之後就在我的選區南機場的社區老舊公寓一整排的\n\n04:26.130 --> 04:26.150\n吳沛憶議員\n\n04:52.857 --> 04:52.877\n﹚吳沛憶\n\n05:13.063 --> 05:13.083\n吳沛憶\n\n05:23.905 --> 05:23.925\n吳沛憶議員\n\n05:48.311 --> 06:05.439\n由中央來協助地方政府,我們一起來討論合作,是不是找到土地找到空間,來協助提供都更的中繼站,讓它成為一種模式,我們是不是可以來跟地方政府來討論看看有沒有相關的需求,可以用什麼樣的方式來進行合作。\n\n06:05.819 --> 06:08.021\n好,我請劉部長來說明一下細節的問題。\n\n06:25.034 --> 06:25.054\n吳沛憶\n\n06:41.572 --> 07:08.002\n這個關鍵點是在這兩個房子能不能同時接的上去,如果接不上去的話,空有美意,大概也沒有辦法完全執行。所以院長就是今天,我一定要在此提出來就是,中央跟地方的溝通討論很重要。那我希望我們的這個合作是可以跨越黨派的,只要民眾有需求,中央我們不管在土地、在資源、在協調、行政協調方面,有辦法協助我們都盡量來協助,多跟地方來討論好不好。\n\n07:09.744 --> 07:22.364\n謝謝委員我始終覺得任何的改革跟進步是要為大多數人謀幸福但過程也不能忽略了不要造成少部分人的痛苦所以這兩相平衡我們務必要做到\n\n07:22.964 --> 07:50.102\n好謝謝那接下來呢要跟院長討論是我覺得非常重要的是我們的國軍改革我們的國防部長部長上任不到一個月那提出了很有亮點的國軍改革那我自己沒有當過兵但我非常多的朋友一直在傳那個訊息給我說終於等到這一天啊院長我想先請問你你覺得我們這一波國軍改革當中你覺得最有感的是哪幾項\n\n07:51.568 --> 08:03.822\n這也是一種進步我們請顧部長來用他一種不一樣的思維來給國軍進行新的一個面貌比方說他提出的這個刺槍\n\n08:05.313 --> 08:05.333\n吳沛憶議員\n\n08:29.200 --> 08:48.566\n跟委員報告,我想主要是重點是在於強調實戰化的訓練,那不合乎實戰化訓練的這個部分呢,我們就會加以考量用檢法的方式來加以匯除。那傳統的那個刺槍術呢,比較屬於形式主義跟表演性質的部分,我們會把它拿掉。\n\n08:49.195 --> 09:10.687\n那我們有一個基本訓練的科目叫做近戰格鬥,那不管是用槍用刀或者是用木棍來從事這個近戰格鬥是我們仍然會維繫的,但是重點是在強調實戰化的訓練。那有關於放寬這個出國的這個有關一定要參加團課這個部分,因為自由行的限制\n\n09:11.738 --> 09:12.278\n刺槍術踢正步\n\n09:40.128 --> 09:40.148\n吳沛憶\n\n09:57.928 --> 09:57.948\n吳沛憶\n\n10:23.097 --> 10:30.023\n對,我們每一項檢討,如果它是不符合實戰化訓練的要求,不符合我們聯合作戰的人力的提升的這個部分,我們都可以想辦法把它一一的剪除掉,然後來加強戰訓的本務。\n\n10:51.866 --> 10:56.364\n說軍人重點是戰訓的本物要加強,讓他的戰鬥的技能能夠提升。\n\n10:57.247 --> 11:23.025\n好謝謝部長院長我想任何一項改革壓力都會有壓力也會很大但是國軍改革破除形式主義以實戰需求為主這是一個國際的標準那國人也相當支持你們請你們務必要堅持繼續下去好不好是的好謝謝那接下來是這個院長我們賴清德總統是狗派蕭美琴副總統是貓派不知道你有沒有也飼養犬貓的經驗呢\n\n11:25.455 --> 11:40.523\n我曾經也養過狗。你也養過狗,你也是狗派。我也養過貓。那我們農業部上個月發布一項數字,在統計我們全國家犬家貓飼養的數量。那這個寵物狗呢是148萬隻,較前一年增加了兩成。\n\n11:43.405 --> 11:44.646\n吳沛憶吳沛憶吳沛憶吳沛憶吳沛憶吳沛憶吳沛憶吳沛憶吳沛憶\n\n12:25.066 --> 12:48.353\n也就是說法規不足讓民眾沒辦法消除疑慮甚至產生更多的擔心我舉一個例子為什麼法規需要加強例如我們寵物食安的通報機制我們有沒有明確的SOP來分中央跟地方的權責例如我們該檢驗哪些項目那我們採的是哪一套的國際標準多少的時間要來轉動式檢討\n\n12:50.934 --> 13:18.444\n再來我們地方的動保機關在接到檢舉之後有沒有去稽查那查了資料廠之後有沒有去追蹤溯源資料廠的上游廠商這過去我們在人的食安管理當中這幾年我們已經有相當大制度的進展跟改革了但是我們看到寵物食品的食安管理顯然還沒有跟上時代的需求那其實呢臺灣的寵物食品管理專法的立法討論\n\n13:20.224 --> 13:42.077\n20年前就開始了。2004年當時發生了保祿事件有將近8500隻的狗狗因為問題的飼料疑似產生腎衰竭的死亡就很多的民間團體開始在倡議我們需要立專法來管理讓我們的寵物食品安全能夠有效被規範\n\n13:43.942 --> 14:07.789\n但是很遺憾的是20年過去了我們還沒有開始啟動立法的工作在日本已經有寵物食品專法加拿大有動物健康法所以今天我想要請問院長的是我們等這一句話已經等了20年了我們今年度我們可不可以來啟動寵物食品管理專法的立法作業\n\n14:09.692 --> 14:13.033\n趕緊來召開公聽會瞭解需求開始啟動立法作業。\n\n14:34.600 --> 14:48.394\n我跟委員做一個補充,就是整個的這個寵物食品大概我們未來會從溯源的部分去著手,然後包括進口的寵物的食品跟食品,包括國產的寵物食品,從製造到甚至於銷售也有這個。院長,最後30秒的時間我必須要請教你,因為我非常的關心我們的體育署要升格為體育部,\n\n14:57.663 --> 15:25.809\n這也是我寫在選舉公報上的政見。院長你也說要升格體育部必須打破現在的規模讓行政院有餘裕的空間也就是我們必須第一個要嘛增加部會的總數第二個修法好直接取消總就部會總量的限制院長你現在打算怎麼樣來做?無論如何都是需要修法。中央機關組織基準法就行政院二三級機關已經滿了那我們希望跟大院一起來努力把這個\n\n15:27.029 --> 15:30.114\n這個情況能夠把他打破掉,讓我們能夠增加社會上大家...\n\n15:38.750 --> 15:38.770\n吳沛憶\n\n16:07.018 --> 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早上葛如君委員在這樣詢問的時候啊我們的國發主委他是談到說"},{"start":158.749,"end":158.769,"text":"吳沛憶"},{"start":178.214,"end":193.85,"text":"是我想AI產業的發展我們政府要做的是站在產業的背後當他們最大的後盾那因為我在教育文化委員會所以我們跟國科會一直在關切最重要的是我們的AI基本法草案要趕快提出來"},{"start":194.631,"end":209.261,"text":"目前國會會承諾我們10月份草案就會提出。 院長我們能不能再次承諾AI基本法草案我們趕快提出來由政府來做產業的後盾來加強台灣AI產業在世界上面競爭的優勢。 我們是不是一定可以做得到?"},{"start":210.031,"end":227.552,"text":"我們在AI基本法草案裡面時程已經在進行那幾個重點包括我們強調人類的自主包括飲食權人格權以及不歧視等等同時我更希望AI的創新我們還要加兩個字是民主AI的創新"},{"start":228.613,"end":257.461,"text":"是站在維護人權保障民主更維護個人隱私的這個強度上面去而不是用AI去侵犯人權破壞人權破壞整個社會的安定我覺得這個是在我們倡導AI創新當中必須去堅持的是AI的法規國際上面已經開始進行臺灣也千萬不能落後那接下來跟院長關心的是都市更新因為臺北市的老房子已經全國最多很多人以為是臺南其實不是就在我們臺北"},{"start":258.257,"end":265.419,"text":"那前陣子花蓮發生地震之後就在我的選區南機場的社區老舊公寓一整排的"},{"start":266.13,"end":266.15,"text":"吳沛憶議員"},{"start":292.857,"end":292.877,"text":"﹚吳沛憶"},{"start":313.063,"end":313.083,"text":"吳沛憶"},{"start":323.905,"end":323.925,"text":"吳沛憶議員"},{"start":348.311,"end":365.439,"text":"由中央來協助地方政府,我們一起來討論合作,是不是找到土地找到空間,來協助提供都更的中繼站,讓它成為一種模式,我們是不是可以來跟地方政府來討論看看有沒有相關的需求,可以用什麼樣的方式來進行合作。"},{"start":365.819,"end":368.021,"text":"好,我請劉部長來說明一下細節的問題。"},{"start":385.034,"end":385.054,"text":"吳沛憶"},{"start":401.572,"end":428.002,"text":"這個關鍵點是在這兩個房子能不能同時接的上去,如果接不上去的話,空有美意,大概也沒有辦法完全執行。 所以院長就是今天,我一定要在此提出來就是,中央跟地方的溝通討論很重要。那我希望我們的這個合作是可以跨越黨派的,只要民眾有需求,中央我們不管在土地、在資源、在協調、行政協調方面,有辦法協助我們都盡量來協助,多跟地方來討論好不好。"},{"start":429.744,"end":442.364,"text":"謝謝委員我始終覺得任何的改革跟進步是要為大多數人謀幸福但過程也不能忽略了不要造成少部分人的痛苦所以這兩相平衡我們務必要做到"},{"start":442.964,"end":470.102,"text":"好謝謝那接下來呢要跟院長討論是我覺得非常重要的是我們的國軍改革我們的國防部長部長上任不到一個月那提出了很有亮點的國軍改革那我自己沒有當過兵但我非常多的朋友一直在傳那個訊息給我說終於等到這一天啊院長我想先請問你你覺得我們這一波國軍改革當中你覺得最有感的是哪幾項"},{"start":471.568,"end":483.822,"text":"這也是一種進步我們請顧部長來用他一種不一樣的思維來給國軍進行新的一個面貌比方說他提出的這個刺槍"},{"start":485.313,"end":485.333,"text":"吳沛憶議員"},{"start":509.2,"end":528.566,"text":"跟委員報告,我想主要是重點是在於強調實戰化的訓練,那不合乎實戰化訓練的這個部分呢,我們就會加以考量用檢法的方式來加以匯除。那傳統的那個刺槍術呢,比較屬於形式主義跟表演性質的部分,我們會把它拿掉。"},{"start":529.195,"end":550.687,"text":"那我們有一個基本訓練的科目叫做近戰格鬥,那不管是用槍用刀或者是用木棍來從事這個近戰格鬥是我們仍然會維繫的,但是重點是在強調實戰化的訓練。那有關於放寬這個出國的這個有關一定要參加團課這個部分,因為自由行的限制"},{"start":551.738,"end":552.278,"text":"刺槍術踢正步"},{"start":580.128,"end":580.148,"text":"吳沛憶"},{"start":597.928,"end":597.948,"text":"吳沛憶"},{"start":623.097,"end":630.023,"text":"對,我們每一項檢討,如果它是不符合實戰化訓練的要求,不符合我們聯合作戰的人力的提升的這個部分,我們都可以想辦法把它一一的剪除掉,然後來加強戰訓的本務。"},{"start":651.866,"end":656.364,"text":"說軍人重點是戰訓的本物要加強,讓他的戰鬥的技能能夠提升。"},{"start":657.247,"end":683.025,"text":"好謝謝部長 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