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00:01:35,305\n一個是師對生一個有可能生對師當然比較少我們有沒有去統計比例這樣子的樣態裡面各佔多少比例\n\n6\n00:01:37,128 --> 00:01:59,257\n跟委員報告這一個我目前因為新的這個校園霸凌的防制法出來過去我們大概就只有著重在生對生那並沒有把師對生這個納入這個校園霸凌的一個防制準則裡面那更何況有可能是生對師當然這樣的例子比較少但是還是會有\n\n7\n00:02:00,257 --> 00:02:15,555\n主要還是大部分應該是說九成以上還是都是來自於身對身的一些霸凌事件可是光本席剛剛有講到6月1號到6月12其實就有兩個案件他是\n\n8\n00:02:16,736 --> 00:02:21,780\n指出有一個縣市有小學六年級的特殊生遭導師辱罵,疑似遭導師辱罵拍桌不敢上學讓縣市政府質疑通報及整體納管機制有問題\n\n9\n00:02:35,609 --> 00:02:46,800\n為什麼?我覺得可以理解是怎麼樣就是說師對生會不會變成是他的特殊案例比較少但有沒有可能就造成是校方會集體來去做一個隱匿的狀況\n\n10\n00:02:49,039 --> 00:02:49,399\n但是處理的時候\n\n11\n00:03:14,144 --> 00:03:15,345\n各縣市有教育局去列管的案件\n\n12\n00:03:35,265 --> 00:03:38,646\n指出桃園市的管考案件97%已經結案,換言之還是有3%沒有結案\n\n13\n00:03:48,588 --> 00:04:15,955\n教育部身為中央主管機關有沒有去了解各縣市教育局每個月去做這種校園霸凌的管考案件結案的一個狀況因為本席剛剛一直聽到您講是說都要跟地方主管機關納入校園的相關督導學校也要適時的回報地方主管機關那一樣地方主管機關如果說它的積極程度沒有那麼多的話我們中央主管機關怎麼樣去督促地方主管機關\n\n14\n00:04:17,608 --> 00:04:40,366\n我們有沒有做一個整體每個月縣市教育局他們通報回報的狀況我們做個掌握基本上我們是有做廣告的所以我們才會特別提到說每個月他必須要地方政府他必須要對各個學校所發生的事件能夠進行列管那這個更詳細的我們是不是能夠請簡單說明一下現在機制違和\n\n15\n00:04:43,268 --> 00:05:10,384\n跟委員報告我們部裡頭目前掌握的都是由校安通報所提報的疑似的案件那進入調查處理程序之後因為法令調查規定的時間是兩個月必要的時候可以再延長延長兩次一次一個月所以其實時間確實會拉得比較長一點點那這個管制的措施目前是在地方就是各主管機關的部分會進行管制那因為目前這一塊我們還沒有把這個透過網路的方式去填報它\n\n16\n00:05:11,144 --> 00:05:13,585\n稍後追蹤,所以都採用人工管制的方式進行統計。\n\n17\n00:05:28,174 --> 00:05:48,357\n因為其實這感覺起來這是一個相對來說是系統性的問題你如果說可以由就像我們很多的這個食安也好或是說相關的這個機制也好也都可以用通報的方式用填寫的方式那就可以一套系統大家從中央到地方就可以看到甚至本席比較不好意思講\n\n18\n00:05:48,757 --> 00:06:08,445\n如果說各縣市大家也會去比﹖如果說互相可以看到﹖我們去識別的話﹖但至少可以看到哪一些縣市它有一些列管的相對結案數比較低哪些縣市結案數比較高那是不是也可以縣市之間來做一個互相砥礪求進步那再者剛剛本期有聽到部長特別講第4點\n\n19\n00:06:10,086 --> 00:06:31,818\n地方主管機關督促防制校園霸凌事件要納入中央對地方政府一般性教育的補助款考核項目所以說未來這樣結案率是不是也會是這個補助款的一個考核項目之一是的跟委員報告這就是我們希望說這一個許多的國民教育這一個還是地方政府他必須要有\n\n20\n00:06:32,739 --> 00:06:33,899\n我們這裡的比例會是多少?我那個補助款的比例\n\n21\n00:07:03,004 --> 00:07:24,979\n報告委員,這一個我們考核項目裡面大概有佔百分之二以上,很多項目了。那另外他回饋到要怎麼樣扣補助款,現在以往他是用整個大補助款來處理,現在部長希望能夠就霸凌的部分,能夠針對性的,現是努力與否以下結案情形做一個單獨的統計。\n\n22\n00:07:27,741 --> 00:07:55,280\n對我現在部長這就是本集剛看到的因為以往外界也會質疑也會擔心就是說中央有時候補助給地方都是看顏色啊我覺得這樣不好那一樣如果說你現在可以回歸到相對教育專業可以回歸到是說我們針對霸凌事件處理態度積極程度以及預防程度來去做一個有效的算是一個評分標準之一我覺得這可能可以試試看大家來去做一個討論\n\n23\n00:07:56,221 --> 00:08:20,034\n那一樣那就變成是兩個部分第一你的比例有多少因為如果說你的比例不高的話那其實不痛不癢那第二是不是能夠落實不要說你現在拿出來之後到最後大家又覺得是說你只是處罰到哪一些縣市有顏色的縣市我就顏色不同的縣市我就用這一個來閒置你沒顏色的縣市我就\n\n24\n00:08:21,754 --> 00:08:46,666\n大開方便之門會不會有這樣的情況?跟委員報告請委員放心我希望你做的讓我放心我希望你做的讓全國國人放心讓全國家長放心所以制度什麼時候把這個制度建立起來告訴各界讓我們所有縣市的教育局能夠瞭解我們現在的這樣的一個新的方式那大家\n\n25\n00:08:47,466 --> 00:08:50,770\n遊戲規則制定大家照片照鏡什麼時候我們會把它給確認一個月內以後一個月內我們會把這個詳細的這個考評跟相關的跟委員送給委員指證給本席然後並且通知各縣市政府教育局來去做確認遊戲規則是不是\n\n26\n00:09:11,372 --> 00:09:21,523\n比例相對來說一定要讓大家覺得是說是有感的大家會爭取那我們不是要處罰重點是我們希望的是大家能夠做好百分之百來\n\n27\n00:09:23,592 --> 00:09:26,633\n對部長你講到一個非常大的重點其實因為今天有兩個主題另外一個主題就是毒品防制的部分\n\n28\n00:09:50,123 --> 00:10:07,121\n其實毒品防制的部分本席剛剛看到您這邊這樣子的一個報告但是國小、國中、高中、大學甚至研究所這樣態毒品防制是完全不同的國中有所謂現在我們也看到媒體報導上面寫說\n\n29\n00:10:09,247 --> 00:10:12,170\n我們還不清楚但是電子煙明明是到目前為止不管是加熱煙或電子煙在台灣都是非法的產品\n\n30\n00:10:33,387 --> 00:10:33,527\n大麻\n\n31\n00:10:57,876 --> 00:10:57,896\n部長﹗\n\n32\n00:11:27,526 --> 00:11:48,382\n您今天的口頭報告跟書面報告本席特別看了一下我必須說沒有針對不同的年齡層跟不同的樣態來去做深入的防治這個寫得很簡單但是如果說你這樣就可以做的話那這一些問題不會留待你來解決\n\n33\n00:11:49,380 --> 00:11:51,241\n部長,本席能不能要求比較具體因為接下來有可能我們要害防治法\n\n34\n00:12:12,128 --> 00:12:37,613\n加熱煙會去做納管電子煙是禁止這是現在煙害防治法通過在第10屆的時候通過那現在針對青少年不管是使用這個電子煙氾濫的一個狀況能不能做一個比較具體的防治的一個項目來跟我們教育文化委員會來做報告那另外大學生大專院校用大麻的部分是不是也能夠有一個檢討報告這個時間點您能夠多久來提出\n\n35\n00:12:42,697 --> 00:12:58,928\n三個月好不好謝謝委員我想我們會加速來做因為確實我們越能夠快速掌握第一線上各級學校我知道因為現在接下來就要暑假了本期為什麼會提三個月就是希望是說在今年聶聶剛上任本期希望能夠在\n\n36\n00:13:00,625 --> 00:13:26,193\n9月開學前我們可以看到新任部長對於教育有新的想法跟防制的方式那能夠在9月的時候開學的時候不管是國中校不管是大專院校都有新的一個防制或是我想我們至少我們先可以拿一個教育階段或者一個年齡階段來做一個例子先來跟委員做報告好那是不是9月之前能夠提供這個書面資料\n\n37\n00:13:28,643 --> 00:13:30,524\n您需要多久時間?抱歉是不是能夠容我在這個今年底之前\n\n38\n00:13:47,093 --> 00:14:11,029\n因為暑假學生這個他確實放假那當然如果我們可以大量的收集到一些Data我現在沒有不需要你收集Data這Data應該是之前就已經收集過了部長問一下之前這不是今天才出現的問題你看我們朝委都已經在等待我我現在只是說你在新的會期現在已經快要放暑假了如果就現有的Data分析沒有問題的開學前我們就可以提出來提出有效的防制\n\n39\n00:14:16,713 --> 00:14:18,434\n部長你提的這個本席同意喔?如果說你願意的話你都可以把它編列成明年的預算你只要你提出來本席這邊教育文化委員會一定會支持\n\n40\n00:14:40,268 --> 00:15:09,144\n你願意來帶頭做每10年開始來舉動做霸凌以及做相關的一個毒品的校園的一個狀況的一個大規模調查本席支持但我們現在比較專注的是說當現在9月要新開學的時候我已經提出來了新少年的電子菸的氾濫使用以及大專院校的大麻的氾濫使用怎麼樣有效的提出防制的項目而不是像今天一樣兩三頁的紙就把那麼大的題目給打發完畢是\n\n41\n00:15:10,168 --> 00:15:10,389\n請回座。\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1035\t2122\t好 主席謝謝 麻煩請鄭部長好 鄭部長\n15061\t40455\t部長好部長委員好我想今天召委排這個專題報告非常的有意義因為霸凌也好或者是說毒品進入校園都是我們長期非常關心的事情我們也希望真的能夠把這樣的事情給一勞永逸但實際上現實上不太可能為什麼因為只要有人的地方可能都有這樣的一個情況但您知道嗎在本席去查一下資料\n41135\t41475\t閱讀新聞報告．\n62368\t85563\t國二生疑遭霸凌墜樓醫藥費募到了有婉拒同學告白高中生遭集體霸凌情深校園霸凌層出不窮然後呼籲大家社會大眾呼籲要防範未來換言之這樣的一個事件持續在發生我想先請教一下霸凌校園霸凌裡面有幾個樣態一個分別是深對深\n86946\t95305\t一個是師對生一個有可能生對師當然比較少我們有沒有去統計比例這樣子的樣態裡面各佔多少比例\n97128\t119257\t跟委員報告這一個我目前因為新的這個校園霸凌的防制法出來過去我們大概就只有著重在生對生那並沒有把師對生這個納入這個校園霸凌的一個防制準則裡面那更何況有可能是生對師當然這樣的例子比較少但是還是會有\n120257\t135555\t主要還是大部分應該是說九成以上還是都是來自於身對身的一些霸凌事件可是光本席剛剛有講到6月1號到6月12其實就有兩個案件他是\n136736\t141780\t指出有一個縣市有小學六年級的特殊生遭導師辱罵,疑似遭導師辱罵拍桌不敢上學讓縣市政府質疑通報及整體納管機制有問題\n155609\t166800\t為什麼?我覺得可以理解是怎麼樣就是說師對生會不會變成是他的特殊案例比較少但有沒有可能就造成是校方會集體來去做一個隱匿的狀況\n169039\t169399\t但是處理的時候\n194144\t195345\t各縣市有教育局去列管的案件\n215265\t218646\t指出桃園市的管考案件97%已經結案,換言之還是有3%沒有結案\n228588\t255955\t教育部身為中央主管機關有沒有去了解各縣市教育局每個月去做這種校園霸凌的管考案件結案的一個狀況因為本席剛剛一直聽到您講是說都要跟地方主管機關納入校園的相關督導學校也要適時的回報地方主管機關那一樣地方主管機關如果說它的積極程度沒有那麼多的話我們中央主管機關怎麼樣去督促地方主管機關\n257608\t280366\t我們有沒有做一個整體每個月縣市教育局他們通報回報的狀況我們做個掌握基本上我們是有做廣告的所以我們才會特別提到說每個月他必須要地方政府他必須要對各個學校所發生的事件能夠進行列管那這個更詳細的我們是不是能夠請簡單說明一下現在機制違和\n283268\t310384\t跟委員報告我們部裡頭目前掌握的都是由校安通報所提報的疑似的案件那進入調查處理程序之後因為法令調查規定的時間是兩個月必要的時候可以再延長延長兩次一次一個月所以其實時間確實會拉得比較長一點點那這個管制的措施目前是在地方就是各主管機關的部分會進行管制那因為目前這一塊我們還沒有把這個透過網路的方式去填報它\n311144\t313585\t稍後追蹤,所以都採用人工管制的方式進行統計。\n328174\t348357\t因為其實這感覺起來這是一個相對來說是系統性的問題你如果說可以由就像我們很多的這個食安也好或是說相關的這個機制也好也都可以用通報的方式用填寫的方式那就可以一套系統大家從中央到地方就可以看到甚至本席比較不好意思講\n348757\t368445\t如果說各縣市大家也會去比﹖如果說互相可以看到﹖我們去識別的話﹖但至少可以看到哪一些縣市它有一些列管的相對結案數比較低哪些縣市結案數比較高那是不是也可以縣市之間來做一個互相砥礪求進步那再者剛剛本期有聽到部長特別講第4點\n370086\t391818\t地方主管機關督促防制校園霸凌事件要納入中央對地方政府一般性教育的補助款考核項目所以說未來這樣結案率是不是也會是這個補助款的一個考核項目之一是的跟委員報告這就是我們希望說這一個許多的國民教育這一個還是地方政府他必須要有\n392739\t393899\t我們這裡的比例會是多少?我那個補助款的比例\n423004\t444979\t報告委員,這一個我們考核項目裡面大概有佔百分之二以上,很多項目了。那另外他回饋到要怎麼樣扣補助款,現在以往他是用整個大補助款來處理,現在部長希望能夠就霸凌的部分,能夠針對性的,現是努力與否以下結案情形做一個單獨的統計。\n447741\t475280\t對我現在部長這就是本集剛看到的因為以往外界也會質疑也會擔心就是說中央有時候補助給地方都是看顏色啊我覺得這樣不好那一樣如果說你現在可以回歸到相對教育專業可以回歸到是說我們針對霸凌事件處理態度積極程度以及預防程度來去做一個有效的算是一個評分標準之一我覺得這可能可以試試看大家來去做一個討論\n476221\t500034\t那一樣那就變成是兩個部分第一你的比例有多少因為如果說你的比例不高的話那其實不痛不癢那第二是不是能夠落實不要說你現在拿出來之後到最後大家又覺得是說你只是處罰到哪一些縣市有顏色的縣市我就顏色不同的縣市我就用這一個來閒置你沒顏色的縣市我就\n501754\t526666\t大開方便之門會不會有這樣的情況?跟委員報告請委員放心我希望你做的讓我放心我希望你做的讓全國國人放心讓全國家長放心所以制度什麼時候把這個制度建立起來告訴各界讓我們所有縣市的教育局能夠瞭解我們現在的這樣的一個新的方式那大家\n527466\t530770\t遊戲規則制定大家照片照鏡什麼時候我們會把它給確認一個月內以後一個月內我們會把這個詳細的這個考評跟相關的跟委員送給委員指證給本席然後並且通知各縣市政府教育局來去做確認遊戲規則是不是\n551372\t561523\t比例相對來說一定要讓大家覺得是說是有感的大家會爭取那我們不是要處罰重點是我們希望的是大家能夠做好百分之百來\n563592\t566633\t對部長你講到一個非常大的重點其實因為今天有兩個主題另外一個主題就是毒品防制的部分\n590123\t607121\t其實毒品防制的部分本席剛剛看到您這邊這樣子的一個報告但是國小、國中、高中、大學甚至研究所這樣態毒品防制是完全不同的國中有所謂現在我們也看到媒體報導上面寫說\n609247\t612170\t我們還不清楚但是電子煙明明是到目前為止不管是加熱煙或電子煙在台灣都是非法的產品\n633387\t633527\t大麻\n657876\t657896\t部長﹗\n687526\t708382\t您今天的口頭報告跟書面報告本席特別看了一下我必須說沒有針對不同的年齡層跟不同的樣態來去做深入的防治這個寫得很簡單但是如果說你這樣就可以做的話那這一些問題不會留待你來解決\n709380\t711241\t部長,本席能不能要求比較具體因為接下來有可能我們要害防治法\n732128\t757613\t加熱煙會去做納管電子煙是禁止這是現在煙害防治法通過在第10屆的時候通過那現在針對青少年不管是使用這個電子煙氾濫的一個狀況能不能做一個比較具體的防治的一個項目來跟我們教育文化委員會來做報告那另外大學生大專院校用大麻的部分是不是也能夠有一個檢討報告這個時間點您能夠多久來提出\n762697\t778928\t三個月好不好謝謝委員我想我們會加速來做因為確實我們越能夠快速掌握第一線上各級學校我知道因為現在接下來就要暑假了本期為什麼會提三個月就是希望是說在今年聶聶剛上任本期希望能夠在\n780625\t806193\t9月開學前我們可以看到新任部長對於教育有新的想法跟防制的方式那能夠在9月的時候開學的時候不管是國中校不管是大專院校都有新的一個防制或是我想我們至少我們先可以拿一個教育階段或者一個年齡階段來做一個例子先來跟委員做報告好那是不是9月之前能夠提供這個書面資料\n808643\t810524\t您需要多久時間?抱歉是不是能夠容我在這個今年底之前\n827093\t851029\t因為暑假學生這個他確實放假那當然如果我們可以大量的收集到一些Data我現在沒有不需要你收集Data這Data應該是之前就已經收集過了部長問一下之前這不是今天才出現的問題你看我們朝委都已經在等待我我現在只是說你在新的會期現在已經快要放暑假了如果就現有的Data分析沒有問題的開學前我們就可以提出來提出有效的防制\n856713\t858434\t部長你提的這個本席同意喔?如果說你願意的話你都可以把它編列成明年的預算你只要你提出來本席這邊教育文化委員會一定會支持\n880268\t909144\t你願意來帶頭做每10年開始來舉動做霸凌以及做相關的一個毒品的校園的一個狀況的一個大規模調查本席支持但我們現在比較專注的是說當現在9月要新開學的時候我已經提出來了新少年的電子菸的氾濫使用以及大專院校的大麻的氾濫使用怎麼樣有效的提出防制的項目而不是像今天一樣兩三頁的紙就把那麼大的題目給打發完畢是\n910168\t910389\t請回座。\n","txt":"好 主席謝謝 麻煩請鄭部長好 鄭部長\n部長好部長委員好我想今天召委排這個專題報告非常的有意義因為霸凌也好或者是說毒品進入校園都是我們長期非常關心的事情我們也希望真的能夠把這樣的事情給一勞永逸但實際上現實上不太可能為什麼因為只要有人的地方可能都有這樣的一個情況但您知道嗎在本席去查一下資料\n閱讀新聞報告．\n國二生疑遭霸凌墜樓醫藥費募到了有婉拒同學告白高中生遭集體霸凌情深校園霸凌層出不窮然後呼籲大家社會大眾呼籲要防範未來換言之這樣的一個事件持續在發生我想先請教一下霸凌校園霸凌裡面有幾個樣態一個分別是深對深\n一個是師對生一個有可能生對師當然比較少我們有沒有去統計比例這樣子的樣態裡面各佔多少比例\n跟委員報告這一個我目前因為新的這個校園霸凌的防制法出來過去我們大概就只有著重在生對生那並沒有把師對生這個納入這個校園霸凌的一個防制準則裡面那更何況有可能是生對師當然這樣的例子比較少但是還是會有\n主要還是大部分應該是說九成以上還是都是來自於身對身的一些霸凌事件可是光本席剛剛有講到6月1號到6月12其實就有兩個案件他是\n指出有一個縣市有小學六年級的特殊生遭導師辱罵,疑似遭導師辱罵拍桌不敢上學讓縣市政府質疑通報及整體納管機制有問題\n為什麼?我覺得可以理解是怎麼樣就是說師對生會不會變成是他的特殊案例比較少但有沒有可能就造成是校方會集體來去做一個隱匿的狀況\n但是處理的時候\n各縣市有教育局去列管的案件\n指出桃園市的管考案件97%已經結案,換言之還是有3%沒有結案\n教育部身為中央主管機關有沒有去了解各縣市教育局每個月去做這種校園霸凌的管考案件結案的一個狀況因為本席剛剛一直聽到您講是說都要跟地方主管機關納入校園的相關督導學校也要適時的回報地方主管機關那一樣地方主管機關如果說它的積極程度沒有那麼多的話我們中央主管機關怎麼樣去督促地方主管機關\n我們有沒有做一個整體每個月縣市教育局他們通報回報的狀況我們做個掌握基本上我們是有做廣告的所以我們才會特別提到說每個月他必須要地方政府他必須要對各個學校所發生的事件能夠進行列管那這個更詳細的我們是不是能夠請簡單說明一下現在機制違和\n跟委員報告我們部裡頭目前掌握的都是由校安通報所提報的疑似的案件那進入調查處理程序之後因為法令調查規定的時間是兩個月必要的時候可以再延長延長兩次一次一個月所以其實時間確實會拉得比較長一點點那這個管制的措施目前是在地方就是各主管機關的部分會進行管制那因為目前這一塊我們還沒有把這個透過網路的方式去填報它\n稍後追蹤,所以都採用人工管制的方式進行統計。\n因為其實這感覺起來這是一個相對來說是系統性的問題你如果說可以由就像我們很多的這個食安也好或是說相關的這個機制也好也都可以用通報的方式用填寫的方式那就可以一套系統大家從中央到地方就可以看到甚至本席比較不好意思講\n如果說各縣市大家也會去比﹖如果說互相可以看到﹖我們去識別的話﹖但至少可以看到哪一些縣市它有一些列管的相對結案數比較低哪些縣市結案數比較高那是不是也可以縣市之間來做一個互相砥礪求進步那再者剛剛本期有聽到部長特別講第4點\n地方主管機關督促防制校園霸凌事件要納入中央對地方政府一般性教育的補助款考核項目所以說未來這樣結案率是不是也會是這個補助款的一個考核項目之一是的跟委員報告這就是我們希望說這一個許多的國民教育這一個還是地方政府他必須要有\n我們這裡的比例會是多少?我那個補助款的比例\n報告委員,這一個我們考核項目裡面大概有佔百分之二以上,很多項目了。那另外他回饋到要怎麼樣扣補助款,現在以往他是用整個大補助款來處理,現在部長希望能夠就霸凌的部分,能夠針對性的,現是努力與否以下結案情形做一個單獨的統計。\n對我現在部長這就是本集剛看到的因為以往外界也會質疑也會擔心就是說中央有時候補助給地方都是看顏色啊我覺得這樣不好那一樣如果說你現在可以回歸到相對教育專業可以回歸到是說我們針對霸凌事件處理態度積極程度以及預防程度來去做一個有效的算是一個評分標準之一我覺得這可能可以試試看大家來去做一個討論\n那一樣那就變成是兩個部分第一你的比例有多少因為如果說你的比例不高的話那其實不痛不癢那第二是不是能夠落實不要說你現在拿出來之後到最後大家又覺得是說你只是處罰到哪一些縣市有顏色的縣市我就顏色不同的縣市我就用這一個來閒置你沒顏色的縣市我就\n大開方便之門會不會有這樣的情況?跟委員報告請委員放心我希望你做的讓我放心我希望你做的讓全國國人放心讓全國家長放心所以制度什麼時候把這個制度建立起來告訴各界讓我們所有縣市的教育局能夠瞭解我們現在的這樣的一個新的方式那大家\n遊戲規則制定大家照片照鏡什麼時候我們會把它給確認一個月內以後一個月內我們會把這個詳細的這個考評跟相關的跟委員送給委員指證給本席然後並且通知各縣市政府教育局來去做確認遊戲規則是不是\n比例相對來說一定要讓大家覺得是說是有感的大家會爭取那我們不是要處罰重點是我們希望的是大家能夠做好百分之百來\n對部長你講到一個非常大的重點其實因為今天有兩個主題另外一個主題就是毒品防制的部分\n其實毒品防制的部分本席剛剛看到您這邊這樣子的一個報告但是國小、國中、高中、大學甚至研究所這樣態毒品防制是完全不同的國中有所謂現在我們也看到媒體報導上面寫說\n我們還不清楚但是電子煙明明是到目前為止不管是加熱煙或電子煙在台灣都是非法的產品\n大麻\n部長﹗\n您今天的口頭報告跟書面報告本席特別看了一下我必須說沒有針對不同的年齡層跟不同的樣態來去做深入的防治這個寫得很簡單但是如果說你這樣就可以做的話那這一些問題不會留待你來解決\n部長,本席能不能要求比較具體因為接下來有可能我們要害防治法\n加熱煙會去做納管電子煙是禁止這是現在煙害防治法通過在第10屆的時候通過那現在針對青少年不管是使用這個電子煙氾濫的一個狀況能不能做一個比較具體的防治的一個項目來跟我們教育文化委員會來做報告那另外大學生大專院校用大麻的部分是不是也能夠有一個檢討報告這個時間點您能夠多久來提出\n三個月好不好謝謝委員我想我們會加速來做因為確實我們越能夠快速掌握第一線上各級學校我知道因為現在接下來就要暑假了本期為什麼會提三個月就是希望是說在今年聶聶剛上任本期希望能夠在\n9月開學前我們可以看到新任部長對於教育有新的想法跟防制的方式那能夠在9月的時候開學的時候不管是國中校不管是大專院校都有新的一個防制或是我想我們至少我們先可以拿一個教育階段或者一個年齡階段來做一個例子先來跟委員做報告好那是不是9月之前能夠提供這個書面資料\n您需要多久時間?抱歉是不是能夠容我在這個今年底之前\n因為暑假學生這個他確實放假那當然如果我們可以大量的收集到一些Data我現在沒有不需要你收集Data這Data應該是之前就已經收集過了部長問一下之前這不是今天才出現的問題你看我們朝委都已經在等待我我現在只是說你在新的會期現在已經快要放暑假了如果就現有的Data分析沒有問題的開學前我們就可以提出來提出有效的防制\n部長你提的這個本席同意喔?如果說你願意的話你都可以把它編列成明年的預算你只要你提出來本席這邊教育文化委員會一定會支持\n你願意來帶頭做每10年開始來舉動做霸凌以及做相關的一個毒品的校園的一個狀況的一個大規模調查本席支持但我們現在比較專注的是說當現在9月要新開學的時候我已經提出來了新少年的電子菸的氾濫使用以及大專院校的大麻的氾濫使用怎麼樣有效的提出防制的項目而不是像今天一樣兩三頁的紙就把那麼大的題目給打發完畢是\n請回座。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.035 --> 00:02.122\n好主席謝謝麻煩請鄭部長好鄭部長\n\n00:15.061 --> 00:40.455\n部長好部長委員好我想今天召委排這個專題報告非常的有意義因為霸凌也好或者是說毒品進入校園都是我們長期非常關心的事情我們也希望真的能夠把這樣的事情給一勞永逸但實際上現實上不太可能為什麼因為只要有人的地方可能都有這樣的一個情況但您知道嗎在本席去查一下資料\n\n00:41.135 --> 00:41.475\n閱讀新聞報告．\n\n01:02.368 --> 01:25.563\n國二生疑遭霸凌墜樓醫藥費募到了有婉拒同學告白高中生遭集體霸凌情深校園霸凌層出不窮然後呼籲大家社會大眾呼籲要防範未來換言之這樣的一個事件持續在發生我想先請教一下霸凌校園霸凌裡面有幾個樣態一個分別是深對深\n\n01:26.946 --> 01:35.305\n一個是師對生一個有可能生對師當然比較少我們有沒有去統計比例這樣子的樣態裡面各佔多少比例\n\n01:37.128 --> 01:59.257\n跟委員報告這一個我目前因為新的這個校園霸凌的防制法出來過去我們大概就只有著重在生對生那並沒有把師對生這個納入這個校園霸凌的一個防制準則裡面那更何況有可能是生對師當然這樣的例子比較少但是還是會有\n\n02:00.257 --> 02:15.555\n主要還是大部分應該是說九成以上還是都是來自於身對身的一些霸凌事件可是光本席剛剛有講到6月1號到6月12其實就有兩個案件他是\n\n02:16.736 --> 02:21.780\n指出有一個縣市有小學六年級的特殊生遭導師辱罵,疑似遭導師辱罵拍桌不敢上學讓縣市政府質疑通報及整體納管機制有問題\n\n02:35.609 --> 02:46.800\n為什麼?我覺得可以理解是怎麼樣就是說師對生會不會變成是他的特殊案例比較少但有沒有可能就造成是校方會集體來去做一個隱匿的狀況\n\n02:49.039 --> 02:49.399\n但是處理的時候\n\n03:14.144 --> 03:15.345\n各縣市有教育局去列管的案件\n\n03:35.265 --> 03:38.646\n指出桃園市的管考案件97%已經結案,換言之還是有3%沒有結案\n\n03:48.588 --> 04:15.955\n教育部身為中央主管機關有沒有去了解各縣市教育局每個月去做這種校園霸凌的管考案件結案的一個狀況因為本席剛剛一直聽到您講是說都要跟地方主管機關納入校園的相關督導學校也要適時的回報地方主管機關那一樣地方主管機關如果說它的積極程度沒有那麼多的話我們中央主管機關怎麼樣去督促地方主管機關\n\n04:17.608 --> 04:40.366\n我們有沒有做一個整體每個月縣市教育局他們通報回報的狀況我們做個掌握基本上我們是有做廣告的所以我們才會特別提到說每個月他必須要地方政府他必須要對各個學校所發生的事件能夠進行列管那這個更詳細的我們是不是能夠請簡單說明一下現在機制違和\n\n04:43.268 --> 05:10.384\n跟委員報告我們部裡頭目前掌握的都是由校安通報所提報的疑似的案件那進入調查處理程序之後因為法令調查規定的時間是兩個月必要的時候可以再延長延長兩次一次一個月所以其實時間確實會拉得比較長一點點那這個管制的措施目前是在地方就是各主管機關的部分會進行管制那因為目前這一塊我們還沒有把這個透過網路的方式去填報它\n\n05:11.144 --> 05:13.585\n稍後追蹤,所以都採用人工管制的方式進行統計。\n\n05:28.174 --> 05:48.357\n因為其實這感覺起來這是一個相對來說是系統性的問題你如果說可以由就像我們很多的這個食安也好或是說相關的這個機制也好也都可以用通報的方式用填寫的方式那就可以一套系統大家從中央到地方就可以看到甚至本席比較不好意思講\n\n05:48.757 --> 06:08.445\n如果說各縣市大家也會去比﹖如果說互相可以看到﹖我們去識別的話﹖但至少可以看到哪一些縣市它有一些列管的相對結案數比較低哪些縣市結案數比較高那是不是也可以縣市之間來做一個互相砥礪求進步那再者剛剛本期有聽到部長特別講第4點\n\n06:10.086 --> 06:31.818\n地方主管機關督促防制校園霸凌事件要納入中央對地方政府一般性教育的補助款考核項目所以說未來這樣結案率是不是也會是這個補助款的一個考核項目之一是的跟委員報告這就是我們希望說這一個許多的國民教育這一個還是地方政府他必須要有\n\n06:32.739 --> 06:33.899\n我們這裡的比例會是多少?我那個補助款的比例\n\n07:03.004 --> 07:24.979\n報告委員,這一個我們考核項目裡面大概有佔百分之二以上,很多項目了。那另外他回饋到要怎麼樣扣補助款,現在以往他是用整個大補助款來處理,現在部長希望能夠就霸凌的部分,能夠針對性的,現是努力與否以下結案情形做一個單獨的統計。\n\n07:27.741 --> 07:55.280\n對我現在部長這就是本集剛看到的因為以往外界也會質疑也會擔心就是說中央有時候補助給地方都是看顏色啊我覺得這樣不好那一樣如果說你現在可以回歸到相對教育專業可以回歸到是說我們針對霸凌事件處理態度積極程度以及預防程度來去做一個有效的算是一個評分標準之一我覺得這可能可以試試看大家來去做一個討論\n\n07:56.221 --> 08:20.034\n那一樣那就變成是兩個部分第一你的比例有多少因為如果說你的比例不高的話那其實不痛不癢那第二是不是能夠落實不要說你現在拿出來之後到最後大家又覺得是說你只是處罰到哪一些縣市有顏色的縣市我就顏色不同的縣市我就用這一個來閒置你沒顏色的縣市我就\n\n08:21.754 --> 08:46.666\n大開方便之門會不會有這樣的情況?跟委員報告請委員放心我希望你做的讓我放心我希望你做的讓全國國人放心讓全國家長放心所以制度什麼時候把這個制度建立起來告訴各界讓我們所有縣市的教育局能夠瞭解我們現在的這樣的一個新的方式那大家\n\n08:47.466 --> 08:50.770\n遊戲規則制定大家照片照鏡什麼時候我們會把它給確認一個月內以後一個月內我們會把這個詳細的這個考評跟相關的跟委員送給委員指證給本席然後並且通知各縣市政府教育局來去做確認遊戲規則是不是\n\n09:11.372 --> 09:21.523\n比例相對來說一定要讓大家覺得是說是有感的大家會爭取那我們不是要處罰重點是我們希望的是大家能夠做好百分之百來\n\n09:23.592 --> 09:26.633\n對部長你講到一個非常大的重點其實因為今天有兩個主題另外一個主題就是毒品防制的部分\n\n09:50.123 --> 10:07.121\n其實毒品防制的部分本席剛剛看到您這邊這樣子的一個報告但是國小、國中、高中、大學甚至研究所這樣態毒品防制是完全不同的國中有所謂現在我們也看到媒體報導上面寫說\n\n10:09.247 --> 10:12.170\n我們還不清楚但是電子煙明明是到目前為止不管是加熱煙或電子煙在台灣都是非法的產品\n\n10:33.387 --> 10:33.527\n大麻\n\n10:57.876 --> 10:57.896\n部長﹗\n\n11:27.526 --> 11:48.382\n您今天的口頭報告跟書面報告本席特別看了一下我必須說沒有針對不同的年齡層跟不同的樣態來去做深入的防治這個寫得很簡單但是如果說你這樣就可以做的話那這一些問題不會留待你來解決\n\n11:49.380 --> 11:51.241\n部長,本席能不能要求比較具體因為接下來有可能我們要害防治法\n\n12:12.128 --> 12:37.613\n加熱煙會去做納管電子煙是禁止這是現在煙害防治法通過在第10屆的時候通過那現在針對青少年不管是使用這個電子煙氾濫的一個狀況能不能做一個比較具體的防治的一個項目來跟我們教育文化委員會來做報告那另外大學生大專院校用大麻的部分是不是也能夠有一個檢討報告這個時間點您能夠多久來提出\n\n12:42.697 --> 12:58.928\n三個月好不好謝謝委員我想我們會加速來做因為確實我們越能夠快速掌握第一線上各級學校我知道因為現在接下來就要暑假了本期為什麼會提三個月就是希望是說在今年聶聶剛上任本期希望能夠在\n\n13:00.625 --> 13:26.193\n9月開學前我們可以看到新任部長對於教育有新的想法跟防制的方式那能夠在9月的時候開學的時候不管是國中校不管是大專院校都有新的一個防制或是我想我們至少我們先可以拿一個教育階段或者一個年齡階段來做一個例子先來跟委員做報告好那是不是9月之前能夠提供這個書面資料\n\n13:28.643 --> 13:30.524\n您需要多久時間?抱歉是不是能夠容我在這個今年底之前\n\n13:47.093 --> 14:11.029\n因為暑假學生這個他確實放假那當然如果我們可以大量的收集到一些Data我現在沒有不需要你收集Data這Data應該是之前就已經收集過了部長問一下之前這不是今天才出現的問題你看我們朝委都已經在等待我我現在只是說你在新的會期現在已經快要放暑假了如果就現有的Data分析沒有問題的開學前我們就可以提出來提出有效的防制\n\n14:16.713 --> 14:18.434\n部長你提的這個本席同意喔?如果說你願意的話你都可以把它編列成明年的預算你只要你提出來本席這邊教育文化委員會一定會支持\n\n14:40.268 --> 15:09.144\n你願意來帶頭做每10年開始來舉動做霸凌以及做相關的一個毒品的校園的一個狀況的一個大規模調查本席支持但我們現在比較專注的是說當現在9月要新開學的時候我已經提出來了新少年的電子菸的氾濫使用以及大專院校的大麻的氾濫使用怎麼樣有效的提出防制的項目而不是像今天一樣兩三頁的紙就把那麼大的題目給打發完畢是\n\n15:10.168 --> 15:10.389\n請回座。\n\n","segments":[{"start":1.035,"end":2.122,"text":"好 主席謝謝 麻煩請鄭部長好 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