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\"題\"}, {\"word\": \"謝\"}, {\"word\": \"謝\"}], \"language\": \"zh\"}","srt":"1\n00:00:06,026 --> 00:00:25,322\n謝謝主席是不是請金管會彭主委請彭主委委員好主委你好主委我請教因為金管會上個禮拜有公布最新Google臉書整個詐騙案的統計5月標高到5105件那\n\n2\n00:00:33,275 --> 00:00:53,776\n僅次於1月的高峰5203件是去年同期2497件的兩倍按照政期局接獲民眾陳情投資詐騙的案件主要集中在三大的太陽裡面第一種是推薦\n\n3\n00:00:55,778 --> 00:00:58,702\n民眾安裝假投資平台並宣稱APP可插隊搶賬\n\n4\n00:01:04,901 --> 00:01:28,867\n這個暫停版的這些股票並保證獲利第二種就是宣稱虛擬貨幣的交易有高獲利勸誘民眾來投資虛擬貨幣等那第三種則是詐團詐團會宣稱自己是經過金管會核准的合法投資投顧事業並偽造、證照來\n\n5\n00:01:32,728 --> 00:01:36,992\n詐騙投資人詐騙投資人詐騙投資人詐騙投資人詐騙投資人詐騙投資人詐騙投資人詐騙投資人\n\n6\n00:02:00,091 --> 00:02:17,472\n你認為就能夠達到預防的效果嗎?是,謝謝委員其實防詐是一個多面向的工作像比如說就以今晚會主政主要是兩大部分一個是市詐跟主詐,特別是主詐的部分那主詐的部分我們大概是透過一些帳戶的管理\n\n7\n00:02:18,572 --> 00:02:36,523\n市詐的部分我們當然是透過各種的教育宣導我們在過去透過我們金融機構以及周邊單位已經辦過非常多的這個所謂的市詐的工作不過這個是一個要持續來做的事情那另外我們對主詐特別是進入到金流以後對帳戶的管理這是我們監管的重點以上\n\n8\n00:02:37,065 --> 00:02:37,205\n主委啊\n\n9\n00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:31,253\n詐團手法變化多端本席認為這些犯罪從業的首腦對社會整個脈動的變化掌控掌握度往往能夠與時俱進以至於受害者遍及社會各個層面案件呈現有增無減主委今晚會公告合法業者的名單希望民眾\n\n10\n00:03:32,273 --> 00:03:59,617\n投資前先查詢確認是我為合法業者以確保整個投資的安全另外一方面民眾在金管會核准的證券期貨業者以及商品警示專區也可以查詢到黑名單那業者等資訊請問主委你認為單純公告宣導效果好不好\n\n11\n00:04:00,297 --> 00:04:24,286\n當然這個我們都希望能夠達到效果但是我們先從我們能想到能做到可以做好的部分先來努力像剛才委員所指正的就是說我們必須把合法的名單公告以及透過各種的管道告訴民眾哪些是真哪些是假我想這個是我們應該做至於說未來我們還有很多很多的努力方向我們希望說一起努力把詐騙的這個風氣把它降低下來主委啊\n\n12\n00:04:29,488 --> 00:04:48,609\n因為詐團都已經透過網路平台、社群媒體進行無孔不入的犯罪手段和行為那我請問主委你認為政府機關有沒有更積極的宣導手段進而建立內化民眾正常的投資判斷的觀念呢?\n\n13\n00:04:49,870 --> 00:05:11,957\n是我覺得這是我們所有政府努力的目標就像我們在剛剛講源頭控管非常重要剛剛委員也提到就是說我們比如說剛剛很多的這個詐騙廣告都是來自於一些平台那我們也積極的努力跟他們溝通那再來就是我們現在不斷的強調我們也透過未來很多的宣導希望民眾警覺性越來越高增加我們全民的防詐免疫力\n\n14\n00:05:12,622 --> 00:05:20,686\n主委,據了解金管會和法務部已達成共識為加強監督虛擬資產業者在訂定專法前將先修改《洗錢防制法》虛擬資產業改採登記制未經登記舊金營業的將會有刑罰\n\n15\n00:05:38,596 --> 00:05:40,758\n金融監理委員會主席\n\n16\n00:05:58,959 --> 00:06:15,414\n慢慢的大家都肯認這個是一個未來必須要取得所謂的執照的這樣一個行業特別是我們很多的參考國際上很多國家都已經開始在做最近幾年這也是為什麼我們這次透過《洗房辦法》裡面採登記制來做這樣的一個納管\n\n17\n00:06:16,530 --> 00:06:38,326\n那個主委啊因為3月20號比特幣出現暴跌走勢今晚會當時還提出兩大的呼籲指出虛擬資產高度投機性且無內在的價值那境外平台未受國內主管機關的監理那我這個請民眾審慎來評估虛擬資產交易的風險主委前主委黃天牧啊\n\n18\n00:06:46,072 --> 00:07:03,960\n在任的時候看得出金管會對虛擬資產的態度是保守而且不積極那我請問主委因為你剛上任對於虛擬資產業未來法制化之後金管會有沒有成為虛擬資產業\n\n19\n00:07:07,335 --> 00:07:33,989\n特許事業的主管機關呢?是謝謝委員其實金管會已經被行政院指定為我們是對虛擬資產具有投資及交易工具的虛擬資產的那個主管機關主管機關所以說以後你們就是主管機關就是有些因為虛擬資產的範圍非常非常大還有就是它相關的所謂的類似的東西非常的多所以我們這已經先就重要的部分先做納管金管會責務龐大也是我們現在的主政\n\n20\n00:07:34,229 --> 00:07:39,863\n那你認為軍管會對這個行業的監督管理態度應該是開放還是保守呢?\n\n21\n00:07:40,755 --> 00:08:06,470\n報告委員這其實上這兩個面向就像全世界各國大概都是先從洗錢防制來做管理但是當這個產業已經開始成型而且具有國際上面的這樣一個競爭的情況的時候其實台灣也要注意這樣的情況就是其實台灣過去有很好的科技實力假設這是一個未來很重要的市場我們也要持續的關注所以未來專法的面向當然是以安全保護消費者\n\n22\n00:08:08,072 --> 00:08:10,174\n主委,因為楊金榮總裁表示目前台灣央行對CBDC\n\n23\n00:08:19,239 --> 00:08:43,192\n還在研究的階段可能需要比較長的時間最少要3年以上他強調科技越進步你就要越小心那主委楊總裁強調比特幣等基本上屬性是虛擬資產而非貨幣央行本於職責對於投資人要提出警示虛擬資產有漲有跌\n\n24\n00:08:47,423 --> 00:08:48,429\n這個應該留意當中的風險那請問主委\n\n25\n00:08:52,271 --> 00:09:19,077\n國內數位貨幣有沒有金融中介的必要性其實這個謝謝委員其實我們現在來看我們除了這個虛擬幣以外另外還有一個穩定幣這是其實上它的屬性在各國不管在學理或實務上都有不同的見解不過現在慢慢的開始納管以後很多東西開始制度化開始逐漸成型我們也在觀察國際的趨勢來作為以後管理的需求\n\n26\n00:09:19,437 --> 00:09:47,158\n主委如果數位貨幣脫軌金融的中介那有哪些的優點與缺點整個國內的環境適合哪種的模式比較適當這是一個謝謝委員就是主要是其實虛擬資產本身來講它絕對有它一些獨特的優勢但它的缺點也非常的多我想這個還要靠我們未來的整個眼鏡以及全世界的發展趨勢來看\n\n27\n00:09:48,399 --> 00:10:13,016\n主委因為以目前的狀況來看大多數的政府的策略方向都是繼續保持法定貨幣的流通同時發展數位貨幣的生態那央行目前定位數位貨幣的傾向金融中介機構在間接金融架構中扮演資金\n\n28\n00:10:14,762 --> 00:10:34,031\n虛扭的角色那透過金融中介機構的運作可有效的降低資訊不對稱所引起的逆向選擇與道德風險的問題解決資金流向的阻礙所以說在市場上大部分的資金\n\n29\n00:10:35,492 --> 00:10:44,527\n龍通都是透過金融中介的機構那我請問主委現行的貨幣銀行的所有措施你認為\n\n30\n00:10:46,738 --> 00:11:08,859\n能不能一體適用在數位貨幣上面呢?報告委員我想這個貨幣當然主政是中央銀行我不太方便評論就我個人的看法其實數位貨幣跟真的貨幣還是有非常大的距離有差別是不是?例如數位貨幣有無銀行利息的產生要不要規範銀行管理費用\n\n31\n00:11:09,860 --> 00:11:35,125\n未來數位貨幣會不會與國際間的數位貨幣同步接軌?制度如果不同,那你認為有沒有相互流通的可行性呢?我們看國際數位幣的發展,除了我們現在數位幣還有Define還有它衍生出來的很多的金融服務非常的多元不過現在都還要透過市場的測試才知道它未來的發展性\n\n32\n00:11:36,421 --> 00:11:51,428\n我是希望說金管會在這方面金管會在這方面應該要多多去了解重視因為你們站在金融的立場當然控管非常重要那尤其講實在話今天這個議題因為詐騙這個講實在話\n\n33\n00:11:57,511 --> 00:12:13,552\n臺灣讓人家成為是詐騙的王國而且那個一直在變這個很嚴重而且政府又拿不出更具體的辦法越騙越多人就受騙所以我們政府要好好地去控管是沒問題謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6026\t25322\t謝謝主席是不是請金管會彭主委請彭主委委員好主委你好主委我請教因為金管會上個禮拜有公布最新Google臉書整個詐騙案的統計5月標高到5105件那\n33275\t53776\t僅次於1月的高峰5203件是去年同期2497件的兩倍按照政期局接獲民眾陳情投資詐騙的案件主要集中在三大的太陽裡面第一種是推薦\n55778\t58702\t民眾安裝假投資平台 並宣稱APP可插隊搶賬\n64901\t88867\t這個暫停版的這些股票並保證獲利第二種就是宣稱虛擬貨幣的交易有高獲利勸誘民眾來投資虛擬貨幣等那第三種則是詐團詐團會宣稱自己是經過金管會核准的合法投資投顧事業並偽造、證照來\n92728\t96992\t詐騙投資人詐騙投資人詐騙投資人詐騙投資人詐騙投資人詐騙投資人詐騙投資人詐騙投資人\n120091\t137472\t你認為就能夠達到預防的效果嗎?是,謝謝委員其實防詐是一個多面向的工作像比如說就以今晚會主政主要是兩大部分一個是市詐跟主詐,特別是主詐的部分那主詐的部分我們大概是透過一些帳戶的管理\n138572\t156523\t市詐的部分我們當然是透過各種的教育宣導我們在過去透過我們金融機構以及周邊單位已經辦過非常多的這個所謂的市詐的工作不過這個是一個要持續來做的事情那另外我們對主詐特別是進入到金流以後對帳戶的管理這是我們監管的重點以上\n157065\t157205\t主委啊\n186080\t211253\t詐團手法變化多端本席認為這些犯罪從業的首腦對社會整個脈動的變化掌控掌握度往往能夠與時俱進以至於受害者遍及社會各個層面案件呈現有增無減主委今晚會公告合法業者的名單希望民眾\n212273\t239617\t投資前先查詢確認是我為合法業者以確保整個投資的安全另外一方面民眾在金管會核准的證券期貨業者以及商品警示專區也可以查詢到黑名單那業者等資訊請問主委你認為單純公告宣導效果好不好\n240297\t264286\t當然這個我們都希望能夠達到效果但是我們先從我們能想到能做到可以做好的部分先來努力像剛才委員所指正的就是說我們必須把合法的名單公告以及透過各種的管道告訴民眾哪些是真哪些是假我想這個是我們應該做至於說未來我們還有很多很多的努力方向我們希望說一起努力把詐騙的這個風氣把它降低下來主委啊\n269488\t288609\t因為詐團都已經透過網路平台、社群媒體進行無孔不入的犯罪手段和行為那我請問主委你認為政府機關有沒有更積極的宣導手段進而建立內化民眾正常的投資判斷的觀念呢?\n289870\t311957\t是我覺得這是我們所有政府努力的目標就像我們在剛剛講源頭控管非常重要剛剛委員也提到就是說我們比如說剛剛很多的這個詐騙廣告都是來自於一些平台那我們也積極的努力跟他們溝通那再來就是我們現在不斷的強調我們也透過未來很多的宣導希望民眾警覺性越來越高增加我們全民的防詐免疫力\n312622\t320686\t主委,據了解金管會和法務部已達成共識為加強監督虛擬資產業者在訂定專法前將先修改《洗錢防制法》虛擬資產業改採登記制未經登記舊金營業的將會有刑罰\n338596\t340758\t金融監理委員會主席\n358959\t375414\t慢慢的大家都肯認這個是一個未來必須要取得所謂的執照的這樣一個行業特別是我們很多的參考國際上很多國家都已經開始在做最近幾年這也是為什麼我們這次透過《洗房辦法》裡面採登記制來做這樣的一個納管\n376530\t398326\t那個主委啊因為3月20號比特幣出現暴跌走勢今晚會當時還提出兩大的呼籲指出虛擬資產高度投機性且無內在的價值那境外平台未受國內主管機關的監理那我這個請民眾審慎來評估虛擬資產交易的風險 主委前主委黃天牧啊\n406072\t423960\t在任的時候看得出金管會對虛擬資產的態度是保守而且不積極那我請問主委因為你剛上任對於虛擬資產業未來法制化之後金管會有沒有成為虛擬資產業\n427335\t453989\t特許事業的主管機關呢?是謝謝委員其實金管會已經被行政院指定為我們是對虛擬資產具有投資及交易工具的虛擬資產的那個主管機關主管機關所以說以後你們就是主管機關就是有些因為虛擬資產的範圍非常非常大還有就是它相關的所謂的類似的東西非常的多所以我們這已經先就重要的部分先做納管金管會責務龐大也是我們現在的主政\n454229\t459863\t那你認為軍管會對這個行業的監督管理態度應該是開放還是保守呢?\n460755\t486470\t報告委員這其實上這兩個面向就像全世界各國大概都是先從洗錢防制來做管理但是當這個產業已經開始成型而且具有國際上面的這樣一個競爭的情況的時候其實台灣也要注意這樣的情況就是其實台灣過去有很好的科技實力假設這是一個未來很重要的市場我們也要持續的關注所以未來專法的面向當然是以安全保護消費者\n488072\t490174\t主委,因為楊金榮總裁表示目前台灣央行對CBDC\n499239\t523192\t還在研究的階段可能需要比較長的時間最少要3年以上他強調科技越進步你就要越小心那主委楊總裁強調比特幣等基本上屬性是虛擬資產而非貨幣央行本於職責對於投資人要提出警示虛擬資產有漲有跌\n527423\t528429\t這個應該留意當中的風險那請問主委\n532271\t559077\t國內數位貨幣有沒有金融中介的必要性其實這個謝謝委員其實我們現在來看我們除了這個虛擬幣以外另外還有一個穩定幣這是其實上它的屬性在各國不管在學理或實務上都有不同的見解不過現在慢慢的開始納管以後很多東西開始制度化開始逐漸成型我們也在觀察國際的趨勢來作為以後管理的需求\n559437\t587158\t主委如果數位貨幣脫軌金融的中介那有哪些的優點與缺點整個國內的環境適合哪種的模式比較適當這是一個謝謝委員就是主要是其實虛擬資產本身來講它絕對有它一些獨特的優勢但它的缺點也非常的多我想這個還要靠我們未來的整個眼鏡以及全世界的發展趨勢來看\n588399\t613016\t主委 因為以目前的狀況來看大多數的政府的策略方向都是繼續保持法定貨幣的流通同時發展數位貨幣的生態那央行目前定位數位貨幣的傾向金融中介機構在間接金融架構中扮演資金\n614762\t634031\t虛扭的角色那透過金融中介機構的運作可有效的降低資訊不對稱所引起的逆向選擇與道德風險的問題解決資金流向的阻礙所以說在市場上大部分的資金\n635492\t644527\t龍通都是透過金融中介的機構那我請問主委現行的貨幣銀行的所有措施你認為\n646738\t668859\t能不能一體適用在數位貨幣上面呢?報告委員我想這個貨幣當然主政是中央銀行我不太方便評論就我個人的看法其實數位貨幣跟真的貨幣還是有非常大的距離有差別是不是?例如數位貨幣有無銀行利息的產生要不要規範銀行管理費用\n669860\t695125\t未來數位貨幣會不會與國際間的數位貨幣同步接軌?制度如果不同,那你認為有沒有相互流通的可行性呢?我們看國際數位幣的發展,除了我們現在數位幣還有Define還有它衍生出來的很多的金融服務非常的多元不過現在都還要透過市場的測試才知道它未來的發展性\n696421\t711428\t我是希望說金管會在這方面金管會在這方面應該要多多去了解重視因為你們站在金融的立場當然控管非常重要那尤其講實在話今天這個議題因為詐騙這個講實在話\n717511\t733552\t臺灣讓人家成為是詐騙的王國而且那個一直在變這個很嚴重而且政府又拿不出更具體的辦法越騙越多人就受騙所以我們政府要好好地去控管是沒問題謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席是不是請金管會彭主委請彭主委委員好主委你好主委我請教因為金管會上個禮拜有公布最新Google臉書整個詐騙案的統計5月標高到5105件那\n僅次於1月的高峰5203件是去年同期2497件的兩倍按照政期局接獲民眾陳情投資詐騙的案件主要集中在三大的太陽裡面第一種是推薦\n民眾安裝假投資平台 並宣稱APP可插隊搶賬\n這個暫停版的這些股票並保證獲利第二種就是宣稱虛擬貨幣的交易有高獲利勸誘民眾來投資虛擬貨幣等那第三種則是詐團詐團會宣稱自己是經過金管會核准的合法投資投顧事業並偽造、證照來\n詐騙投資人詐騙投資人詐騙投資人詐騙投資人詐騙投資人詐騙投資人詐騙投資人詐騙投資人\n你認為就能夠達到預防的效果嗎?是,謝謝委員其實防詐是一個多面向的工作像比如說就以今晚會主政主要是兩大部分一個是市詐跟主詐,特別是主詐的部分那主詐的部分我們大概是透過一些帳戶的管理\n市詐的部分我們當然是透過各種的教育宣導我們在過去透過我們金融機構以及周邊單位已經辦過非常多的這個所謂的市詐的工作不過這個是一個要持續來做的事情那另外我們對主詐特別是進入到金流以後對帳戶的管理這是我們監管的重點以上\n主委啊\n詐團手法變化多端本席認為這些犯罪從業的首腦對社會整個脈動的變化掌控掌握度往往能夠與時俱進以至於受害者遍及社會各個層面案件呈現有增無減主委今晚會公告合法業者的名單希望民眾\n投資前先查詢確認是我為合法業者以確保整個投資的安全另外一方面民眾在金管會核准的證券期貨業者以及商品警示專區也可以查詢到黑名單那業者等資訊請問主委你認為單純公告宣導效果好不好\n當然這個我們都希望能夠達到效果但是我們先從我們能想到能做到可以做好的部分先來努力像剛才委員所指正的就是說我們必須把合法的名單公告以及透過各種的管道告訴民眾哪些是真哪些是假我想這個是我們應該做至於說未來我們還有很多很多的努力方向我們希望說一起努力把詐騙的這個風氣把它降低下來主委啊\n因為詐團都已經透過網路平台、社群媒體進行無孔不入的犯罪手段和行為那我請問主委你認為政府機關有沒有更積極的宣導手段進而建立內化民眾正常的投資判斷的觀念呢?\n是我覺得這是我們所有政府努力的目標就像我們在剛剛講源頭控管非常重要剛剛委員也提到就是說我們比如說剛剛很多的這個詐騙廣告都是來自於一些平台那我們也積極的努力跟他們溝通那再來就是我們現在不斷的強調我們也透過未來很多的宣導希望民眾警覺性越來越高增加我們全民的防詐免疫力\n主委,據了解金管會和法務部已達成共識為加強監督虛擬資產業者在訂定專法前將先修改《洗錢防制法》虛擬資產業改採登記制未經登記舊金營業的將會有刑罰\n金融監理委員會主席\n慢慢的大家都肯認這個是一個未來必須要取得所謂的執照的這樣一個行業特別是我們很多的參考國際上很多國家都已經開始在做最近幾年這也是為什麼我們這次透過《洗房辦法》裡面採登記制來做這樣的一個納管\n那個主委啊因為3月20號比特幣出現暴跌走勢今晚會當時還提出兩大的呼籲指出虛擬資產高度投機性且無內在的價值那境外平台未受國內主管機關的監理那我這個請民眾審慎來評估虛擬資產交易的風險 主委前主委黃天牧啊\n在任的時候看得出金管會對虛擬資產的態度是保守而且不積極那我請問主委因為你剛上任對於虛擬資產業未來法制化之後金管會有沒有成為虛擬資產業\n特許事業的主管機關呢?是謝謝委員其實金管會已經被行政院指定為我們是對虛擬資產具有投資及交易工具的虛擬資產的那個主管機關主管機關所以說以後你們就是主管機關就是有些因為虛擬資產的範圍非常非常大還有就是它相關的所謂的類似的東西非常的多所以我們這已經先就重要的部分先做納管金管會責務龐大也是我們現在的主政\n那你認為軍管會對這個行業的監督管理態度應該是開放還是保守呢?\n報告委員這其實上這兩個面向就像全世界各國大概都是先從洗錢防制來做管理但是當這個產業已經開始成型而且具有國際上面的這樣一個競爭的情況的時候其實台灣也要注意這樣的情況就是其實台灣過去有很好的科技實力假設這是一個未來很重要的市場我們也要持續的關注所以未來專法的面向當然是以安全保護消費者\n主委,因為楊金榮總裁表示目前台灣央行對CBDC\n還在研究的階段可能需要比較長的時間最少要3年以上他強調科技越進步你就要越小心那主委楊總裁強調比特幣等基本上屬性是虛擬資產而非貨幣央行本於職責對於投資人要提出警示虛擬資產有漲有跌\n這個應該留意當中的風險那請問主委\n國內數位貨幣有沒有金融中介的必要性其實這個謝謝委員其實我們現在來看我們除了這個虛擬幣以外另外還有一個穩定幣這是其實上它的屬性在各國不管在學理或實務上都有不同的見解不過現在慢慢的開始納管以後很多東西開始制度化開始逐漸成型我們也在觀察國際的趨勢來作為以後管理的需求\n主委如果數位貨幣脫軌金融的中介那有哪些的優點與缺點整個國內的環境適合哪種的模式比較適當這是一個謝謝委員就是主要是其實虛擬資產本身來講它絕對有它一些獨特的優勢但它的缺點也非常的多我想這個還要靠我們未來的整個眼鏡以及全世界的發展趨勢來看\n主委 因為以目前的狀況來看大多數的政府的策略方向都是繼續保持法定貨幣的流通同時發展數位貨幣的生態那央行目前定位數位貨幣的傾向金融中介機構在間接金融架構中扮演資金\n虛扭的角色那透過金融中介機構的運作可有效的降低資訊不對稱所引起的逆向選擇與道德風險的問題解決資金流向的阻礙所以說在市場上大部分的資金\n龍通都是透過金融中介的機構那我請問主委現行的貨幣銀行的所有措施你認為\n能不能一體適用在數位貨幣上面呢?報告委員我想這個貨幣當然主政是中央銀行我不太方便評論就我個人的看法其實數位貨幣跟真的貨幣還是有非常大的距離有差別是不是?例如數位貨幣有無銀行利息的產生要不要規範銀行管理費用\n未來數位貨幣會不會與國際間的數位貨幣同步接軌?制度如果不同,那你認為有沒有相互流通的可行性呢?我們看國際數位幣的發展,除了我們現在數位幣還有Define還有它衍生出來的很多的金融服務非常的多元不過現在都還要透過市場的測試才知道它未來的發展性\n我是希望說金管會在這方面金管會在這方面應該要多多去了解重視因為你們站在金融的立場當然控管非常重要那尤其講實在話今天這個議題因為詐騙這個講實在話\n臺灣讓人家成為是詐騙的王國而且那個一直在變這個很嚴重而且政府又拿不出更具體的辦法越騙越多人就受騙所以我們政府要好好地去控管是沒問題謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.026 --> 00:25.322\n謝謝主席是不是請金管會彭主委請彭主委委員好主委你好主委我請教因為金管會上個禮拜有公布最新Google臉書整個詐騙案的統計5月標高到5105件那\n\n00:33.275 --> 00:53.776\n僅次於1月的高峰5203件是去年同期2497件的兩倍按照政期局接獲民眾陳情投資詐騙的案件主要集中在三大的太陽裡面第一種是推薦\n\n00:55.778 --> 00:58.702\n民眾安裝假投資平台並宣稱APP可插隊搶賬\n\n01:04.901 --> 01:28.867\n這個暫停版的這些股票並保證獲利第二種就是宣稱虛擬貨幣的交易有高獲利勸誘民眾來投資虛擬貨幣等那第三種則是詐團詐團會宣稱自己是經過金管會核准的合法投資投顧事業並偽造、證照來\n\n01:32.728 --> 01:36.992\n詐騙投資人詐騙投資人詐騙投資人詐騙投資人詐騙投資人詐騙投資人詐騙投資人詐騙投資人\n\n02:00.091 --> 02:17.472\n你認為就能夠達到預防的效果嗎?是,謝謝委員其實防詐是一個多面向的工作像比如說就以今晚會主政主要是兩大部分一個是市詐跟主詐,特別是主詐的部分那主詐的部分我們大概是透過一些帳戶的管理\n\n02:18.572 --> 02:36.523\n市詐的部分我們當然是透過各種的教育宣導我們在過去透過我們金融機構以及周邊單位已經辦過非常多的這個所謂的市詐的工作不過這個是一個要持續來做的事情那另外我們對主詐特別是進入到金流以後對帳戶的管理這是我們監管的重點以上\n\n02:37.065 --> 02:37.205\n主委啊\n\n03:06.080 --> 03:31.253\n詐團手法變化多端本席認為這些犯罪從業的首腦對社會整個脈動的變化掌控掌握度往往能夠與時俱進以至於受害者遍及社會各個層面案件呈現有增無減主委今晚會公告合法業者的名單希望民眾\n\n03:32.273 --> 03:59.617\n投資前先查詢確認是我為合法業者以確保整個投資的安全另外一方面民眾在金管會核准的證券期貨業者以及商品警示專區也可以查詢到黑名單那業者等資訊請問主委你認為單純公告宣導效果好不好\n\n04:00.297 --> 04:24.286\n當然這個我們都希望能夠達到效果但是我們先從我們能想到能做到可以做好的部分先來努力像剛才委員所指正的就是說我們必須把合法的名單公告以及透過各種的管道告訴民眾哪些是真哪些是假我想這個是我們應該做至於說未來我們還有很多很多的努力方向我們希望說一起努力把詐騙的這個風氣把它降低下來主委啊\n\n04:29.488 --> 04:48.609\n因為詐團都已經透過網路平台、社群媒體進行無孔不入的犯罪手段和行為那我請問主委你認為政府機關有沒有更積極的宣導手段進而建立內化民眾正常的投資判斷的觀念呢?\n\n04:49.870 --> 05:11.957\n是我覺得這是我們所有政府努力的目標就像我們在剛剛講源頭控管非常重要剛剛委員也提到就是說我們比如說剛剛很多的這個詐騙廣告都是來自於一些平台那我們也積極的努力跟他們溝通那再來就是我們現在不斷的強調我們也透過未來很多的宣導希望民眾警覺性越來越高增加我們全民的防詐免疫力\n\n05:12.622 --> 05:20.686\n主委,據了解金管會和法務部已達成共識為加強監督虛擬資產業者在訂定專法前將先修改《洗錢防制法》虛擬資產業改採登記制未經登記舊金營業的將會有刑罰\n\n05:38.596 --> 05:40.758\n金融監理委員會主席\n\n05:58.959 --> 06:15.414\n慢慢的大家都肯認這個是一個未來必須要取得所謂的執照的這樣一個行業特別是我們很多的參考國際上很多國家都已經開始在做最近幾年這也是為什麼我們這次透過《洗房辦法》裡面採登記制來做這樣的一個納管\n\n06:16.530 --> 06:38.326\n那個主委啊因為3月20號比特幣出現暴跌走勢今晚會當時還提出兩大的呼籲指出虛擬資產高度投機性且無內在的價值那境外平台未受國內主管機關的監理那我這個請民眾審慎來評估虛擬資產交易的風險主委前主委黃天牧啊\n\n06:46.072 --> 07:03.960\n在任的時候看得出金管會對虛擬資產的態度是保守而且不積極那我請問主委因為你剛上任對於虛擬資產業未來法制化之後金管會有沒有成為虛擬資產業\n\n07:07.335 --> 07:33.989\n特許事業的主管機關呢?是謝謝委員其實金管會已經被行政院指定為我們是對虛擬資產具有投資及交易工具的虛擬資產的那個主管機關主管機關所以說以後你們就是主管機關就是有些因為虛擬資產的範圍非常非常大還有就是它相關的所謂的類似的東西非常的多所以我們這已經先就重要的部分先做納管金管會責務龐大也是我們現在的主政\n\n07:34.229 --> 07:39.863\n那你認為軍管會對這個行業的監督管理態度應該是開放還是保守呢?\n\n07:40.755 --> 08:06.470\n報告委員這其實上這兩個面向就像全世界各國大概都是先從洗錢防制來做管理但是當這個產業已經開始成型而且具有國際上面的這樣一個競爭的情況的時候其實台灣也要注意這樣的情況就是其實台灣過去有很好的科技實力假設這是一個未來很重要的市場我們也要持續的關注所以未來專法的面向當然是以安全保護消費者\n\n08:08.072 --> 08:10.174\n主委,因為楊金榮總裁表示目前台灣央行對CBDC\n\n08:19.239 --> 08:43.192\n還在研究的階段可能需要比較長的時間最少要3年以上他強調科技越進步你就要越小心那主委楊總裁強調比特幣等基本上屬性是虛擬資產而非貨幣央行本於職責對於投資人要提出警示虛擬資產有漲有跌\n\n08:47.423 --> 08:48.429\n這個應該留意當中的風險那請問主委\n\n08:52.271 --> 09:19.077\n國內數位貨幣有沒有金融中介的必要性其實這個謝謝委員其實我們現在來看我們除了這個虛擬幣以外另外還有一個穩定幣這是其實上它的屬性在各國不管在學理或實務上都有不同的見解不過現在慢慢的開始納管以後很多東西開始制度化開始逐漸成型我們也在觀察國際的趨勢來作為以後管理的需求\n\n09:19.437 --> 09:47.158\n主委如果數位貨幣脫軌金融的中介那有哪些的優點與缺點整個國內的環境適合哪種的模式比較適當這是一個謝謝委員就是主要是其實虛擬資產本身來講它絕對有它一些獨特的優勢但它的缺點也非常的多我想這個還要靠我們未來的整個眼鏡以及全世界的發展趨勢來看\n\n09:48.399 --> 10:13.016\n主委因為以目前的狀況來看大多數的政府的策略方向都是繼續保持法定貨幣的流通同時發展數位貨幣的生態那央行目前定位數位貨幣的傾向金融中介機構在間接金融架構中扮演資金\n\n10:14.762 --> 10:34.031\n虛扭的角色那透過金融中介機構的運作可有效的降低資訊不對稱所引起的逆向選擇與道德風險的問題解決資金流向的阻礙所以說在市場上大部分的資金\n\n10:35.492 --> 10:44.527\n龍通都是透過金融中介的機構那我請問主委現行的貨幣銀行的所有措施你認為\n\n10:46.738 --> 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