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00:02:12,695\n對,等於企業部分不好那麼涉密,我們可能要請相關單位來做回答。委員長,那這個部分的話,確實是一個重點,就是在某一種disaster的狀況下面,它的系統容量會不會不足,或者它的coverage會不足,那這個部分的話,因為中華電信是onewave的台灣的代理,那請中華電信這邊來說明。好,謝謝。\n\n7\n00:02:16,083 --> 00:02:39,179\n發言委員,有關那個跟WEB那個簽署的這個部分,我想我們對服務的要求跟相關合約裡面對這些都會有相關的要求跟規範那回到整體通訊的那個安排的部分,我們在整體的這個陸海空泊各方面的solution也都自己在尋求,那能夠提高我們整個的網路韌性,以上報告\n\n8\n00:02:39,984 --> 00:02:53,602\n我特別提供一個建言當然你在合約框架裡面我特別講出就是不可抗力因素因為我們跟國外簽約一定最後一個就是說暫時他不保證這條是不是在不可抗力因素裡面在proviso裡面\n\n9\n00:02:55,084 --> 00:03:17,067\n謝謝委員的指導,我們再回去檢視這個部分是什麼樣的一個要求,謝謝我們這次速發部做獨島,中華電信做協作應變或暫時應用新興科技,強化通訊網路這個韌性的計畫我們是希望確保指揮體系在戰爭或是大規模災害的時候能夠支援政府\n\n10\n00:03:17,648 --> 00:03:18,969\n中共對台灣可能會做出什麼手法﹖\n\n11\n00:03:41,482 --> 00:03:56,911\n因為從400公里甚至200公里到2000公里大概隨時都有30到50枚低軌衛星通過因為我們的上空的空間有限那麼OneWeb衛星通過的安全餘力希望能夠掌握我把後面的限制因素向大家報告\n\n12\n00:03:58,533 --> 00:04:22,472\n經過評估,發射干擾頻率是可以干擾OneWeb的終端設施正常運作。我們面對的挑戰是暫時可能有受阻的現實,這個是有受通信。那麼未來中共的低軌衛星會有變軌的能力,那麼它的通知戰術靈活多變,就是說我們在本島周遭可能會有變成透明化,你會面對。\n\n13\n00:04:24,322 --> 00:04:50,693\n另外就是6G的時代手機直通這個低軌衛星那中共運用覆蓋福建沿海地區他申請向國際這個通訊這個組織申請的這個涵蓋範圍可能會排擠到我們在台灣地區oneweb的軌道那這個東西將來就沒有辦法有效的運用低軌衛星這個我是提醒NCC跟中華電信特別要注意這個\n\n14\n00:04:51,977 --> 00:05:08,714\n那下面我請資通電軍的指揮官兩位可以請回我特別談到現在因為未來無人的系統不管是無人機無人艇它所有的這是一個趨勢但是有效的運用還是在通訊\n\n15\n00:05:09,855 --> 00:05:28,511\n所以涵蓋的範圍、電池頻譜這個保密措施我想在國軍來講自通電軍要承擔很大的責任也要相助、協助各個軍種在這個領域繼續強化尤其是整合感測器、平台跟決策流程那我們訊息的優勢利用科技\n\n16\n00:05:29,272 --> 00:05:32,275\n中華電信股份有限公司列席．併請國家通訊傳播委員會．併請國家通訊傳播委員會．併請國家通訊傳播委員會．併請\n\n17\n00:05:50,234 --> 00:06:18,690\n而不是這些載台先交給你國軍的你另外再申請頻道那那個時候在暫時有效運用上就比較難以發揮它的效益了那我最後用這張圖來向大家說明這個是中共的北斗衛星那實際上它是軍用、民用甚至中國大陸所有的公務船舶海上交通甚至漁船都有北斗那這個另外呢\n\n18\n00:06:20,014 --> 00:06:33,230\n海事衛星的通訊那是另外一個品質現在比較困擾的是低軌衛星各位看看這張圖低軌衛星我們把最近低軌衛星顯示整個涵蓋全球了\n\n19\n00:06:35,882 --> 00:06:54,399\n中國大陸是高度重視太空產業,它把視為中國的綜合國力之一。一家上海的藍劍虹型科技公司,最近向國際電信聯盟提出了一個重磅的計劃,在未來要發射1萬顆。\n\n20\n00:06:56,532 --> 00:07:25,368\n這個紅湖三號它是一個巨型的星座衛星系統那將來它的目的是超越這個STARLINK那事實上在2021年呢大陸已經批准了一個叫做國網12992顆衛星另外G60星鏈12000個衛星這都在持續施放那這些東西為什麼在我們這個有限的低軌衛星的空間會產生排擠所以這個是要我們要特別注意的\n\n21\n00:07:26,862 --> 00:07:51,600\n有效的頻寬運用跟安全措施以及跟國軍有效掌握暫時它的無人機能不能有效運用甚至可以用低軌衛星不只是低軌向中軌做relay或是低軌之間用雷射relay這個都是未來我們面對的挑戰這個部分我們特別請資通電軍還有國安局在保密的部分提供最大的協助請局長做一點回應\n\n22\n00:07:53,261 --> 00:08:20,754\n謝謝陳委員的關切那就怎麼樣來強化我們國家的通訊的韌性跟安全呢事實上是有跨部會的機制在進行規劃或協調那我們的中低軌衛星的發展也不是只有英國這一家OneWeb還有其他的國際廠商都有在做相關的一個合作計畫的評估那對於中共確實正如委員所提到的這幾年它不斷的跟ITEO申請它的低軌衛星計畫我前一陣子才算過大概申請了\n\n23\n00:08:21,954 --> 00:08:22,274\n陳永康議員\n\n24\n00:08:52,538 --> 00:09:17,256\n根據了解就是一顆低軌衛星大概約有2000個終端用戶那如果他能夠把這個地區整個把它飽和化那我們可以使用的這個空間就是軌道通過的時間單位同時有幾顆衛星會受到排擠那這個我們努力的空間不管服務8號服務9號那另外最後還提醒注意中華電信特別一個重要的就是海嵐\n\n25\n00:09:18,197 --> 00:09:19,157\n接下來請林楚英委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n309\t25062\t主席有請國安局局長請蔡局長好 謝主席 崇文好您好 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relay這個都是未來我們面對的挑戰這個部分我們特別請資通電軍還有國安局在保密的部分提供最大的協助請局長做一點回應\n473261\t500754\t謝謝陳委員的關切那就怎麼樣來強化我們國家的通訊的韌性跟安全呢事實上是有跨部會的機制在進行規劃或協調那我們的中低軌衛星的發展也不是只有英國這一家OneWeb還有其他的國際廠商都有在做相關的一個合作計畫的評估那對於中共確實正如委員所提到的這幾年它不斷的跟ITEO申請它的低軌衛星計畫我前一陣子才算過大概申請了\n501954\t502274\t陳永康議員\n532538\t557256\t根據了解就是一顆低軌衛星大概約有2000個終端用戶那如果他能夠把這個地區整個把它飽和化那我們可以使用的這個空間就是軌道通過的時間單位同時有幾顆衛星會受到排擠那這個我們努力的空間不管服務8號服務9號那另外最後還提醒注意中華電信特別一個重要的就是海嵐\n558197\t559157\t接下來請林楚英委員\n","txt":"主席有請國安局局長請蔡局長好 謝主席 崇文好您好 我們今天提出來的排除剛才在機密如何定義如何防範我另外在確保通訊本身通訊暢通安全的部分提出一部分的建議那在這個問題中間我想請我們的這個\n通訊傳播委員會副主委還有我們的中華電信林副總經理請副主委還有中華電信林副總我有幾個想請教各位\n我們一直在強調提升國家通信網路的韌性能力目前是由中華電信跟歐洲的通訊衛星子公司OneWeb簽署了我們很樂見在2024年那麼低軌衛星訊號可以覆蓋全台那我們從公開的情資顯示它是有\n陳永康議員陳永康議員\n請問NCC跟中華電信有沒有這部分的了解?\n對,等於企業部分不好那麼涉密,我們可能要請相關單位來做回答。委員長,那這個部分的話,確實是一個重點,就是在某一種disaster的狀況下面,它的系統容量會不會不足,或者它的coverage會不足,那這個部分的話,因為中華電信是one wave的台灣的代理,那請中華電信這邊來說明。好,謝謝。\n發言委員,有關那個跟WEB那個簽署的這個部分,我想我們對服務的要求跟相關合約裡面對這些都會有相關的要求跟規範那回到整體通訊的那個安排的部分,我們在整體的這個陸海空泊各方面的solution也都自己在尋求,那能夠提高我們整個的網路韌性,以上報告\n我特別提供一個建言當然你在合約框架裡面我特別講出就是不可抗力因素因為我們跟國外簽約一定最後一個就是說暫時他不保證這條是不是在不可抗力因素裡面在proviso裡面\n謝謝委員的指導,我們再回去檢視這個部分是什麼樣的一個要求,謝謝我們這次速發部做獨島,中華電信做協作應變或暫時應用新興科技,強化通訊網路這個韌性的計畫我們是希望確保指揮體系在戰爭或是大規模災害的時候能夠支援政府\n中共對台灣可能會做出什麼手法﹖\n因為從400公里甚至200公里到2000公里大概隨時都有30到50枚低軌衛星通過因為我們的上空的空間有限那麼OneWeb衛星通過的安全餘力希望能夠掌握我把後面的限制因素向大家報告\n經過評估,發射干擾頻率是可以干擾OneWeb的終端設施正常運作。我們面對的挑戰是暫時可能有受阻的現實,這個是有受通信。那麼未來中共的低軌衛星會有變軌的能力,那麼它的通知戰術靈活多變,就是說我們在本島周遭可能會有變成透明化,你會面對。\n另外就是6G的時代手機直通這個低軌衛星那中共運用覆蓋福建沿海地區他申請向國際這個通訊這個組織申請的這個涵蓋範圍可能會排擠到我們在台灣地區one web的軌道那這個東西將來就沒有辦法有效的運用低軌衛星這個我是提醒NCC跟中華電信特別要注意這個\n那下面我請資通電軍的指揮官兩位可以請回我特別談到現在因為未來無人的系統不管是無人機無人艇它所有的這是一個趨勢但是有效的運用還是在通訊\n所以涵蓋的範圍、電池頻譜這個保密措施我想在國軍來講自通電軍要承擔很大的責任也要相助、協助各個軍種在這個領域繼續強化尤其是整合感測器、平台跟決策流程那我們訊息的優勢利用科技\n中華電信股份有限公司列席．併請國家通訊傳播委員會．併請國家通訊傳播委員會．併請國家通訊傳播委員會．併請\n而不是這些載台先交給你國軍的你另外再申請頻道那那個時候在暫時有效運用上就比較難以發揮它的效益了那我最後用這張圖來向大家說明這個是中共的北斗衛星那實際上它是軍用、民用甚至中國大陸所有的公務船舶海上交通甚至漁船都有北斗那這個另外呢\n海事衛星的通訊那是另外一個品質現在比較困擾的是低軌衛星各位看看這張圖低軌衛星我們把最近低軌衛星顯示整個涵蓋全球了\n中國大陸是高度重視太空產業,它把視為中國的綜合國力之一。一家上海的藍劍虹型科技公司,最近向國際電信聯盟提出了一個重磅的計劃,在未來要發射1萬顆。\n這個紅湖三號它是一個巨型的星座衛星系統那將來它的目的是超越這個STARLINK那事實上在2021年呢大陸已經批准了一個叫做國網12992顆衛星另外G60星鏈12000個衛星這都在持續施放那這些東西為什麼在我們這個有限的低軌衛星的空間會產生排擠所以這個是要我們要特別注意的\n有效的頻寬運用跟安全措施以及跟國軍有效掌握暫時它的無人機能不能有效運用甚至可以用低軌衛星不只是低軌向中軌做 relay或是低軌之間用雷射 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