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00:02:36,155\n甚至有一位這個已經是署名的醫生：他趁著把他的名字講出來在他的案例當作精神科醫師：他說現在是目前來說的他的這個所謂的個案已經是已經出現了幻聽幻覺而且這位個案他認為他已經特別提出來系上幾乎有一半人都在吸食大麻\n\n8\n00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:57,745\n那這個東西有待考慮可是這位醫生是我查過了的確是醫院的真實的一個醫生他為什麼要報出這樣的一個個案因為他認為這個事情非常的嚴重我們接下來看一下我接下來問大麻到底去哪裡了我請三位可以代表來回應的因為你看\n\n9\n00:03:11,443 --> 00:03:15,867\n2023年3月的時候我們高檢署市警目前已經4年增加了8倍然後高檢署在2024年6月7號非常近的告訴我們他們查獲量是從2000跟這個2022年比較起來是增加了將近50%誰可以來回答這個問題然後接下來我還要問一個問題是你們第1檢署辦理大麻的案件你們真假的失用的人數跟你查獲的量數是完全不符合比例的\n\n10\n00:03:41,147 --> 00:03:55,193\n那這個黑數的確存在啊這誰可以來回應一下所以部長你剛剛所說教育部的教育那個藥物濫用是下降是這樣子嗎我們再往前看保持前面那一張這個黑數到底有多少誰能告訴我們我們是不是可以請我們的法務部\n\n11\n00:04:01,141 --> 00:04:23,739\n跟委員報告因為就如同剛跟委員報告的法務部對大馬的查緝這幾年來是全力的在查緝所以會有那麼大的量是因為我們包括我們48警察機關全力的查緝那至於這個黑數的問題確實存在著施用人口黑數的一個問題因為大馬施用的人口結構上他是比較高白領\n\n12\n00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:26,941\n所以跟委員報告這幾波的NG企圖的計畫就針對有關於這一個私用人口的黑素座右系統的一個查緝那有辦法嗎?你看這個差距很大欸\n\n13\n00:04:47,827 --> 00:05:12,083\n跟委員報告就是一百一十二年就是去年那一年齁總共的適用人數查獲有八百零二個我知道這邊有啊這邊就在上面啊是那這個部門也是你們覺得25%跟你們查獲量我還是一句話啦完全司長完全是不成比例我們往下看啊這我要給部長來看大麻流竄其實最大的問題還是網路隨便可以看到啊你看\n\n14\n00:05:13,086 --> 00:05:15,089\n我還我這個是完全是用推特他後來改名X的頻道各位部長看這都是在臺灣這全部在臺灣我只拿出1%而已隨處可見到告訴你什麼地方什麼地點你可以用什麼樣的產品你要找什麼樣的人\n\n15\n00:05:29,989 --> 00:05:30,269\n這是一個非常大的一個問題\n\n16\n00:05:52,438 --> 00:06:11,191\n部長,你現在已經發現,難怪你需要到年底,如果照這種樣態來說的話,可能給你時間都不夠用,對不對?感謝委員的一個提醒,我想大麻這些的從學校到警政到社政到醫療,我們是一個共同合作的一個單位。\n\n17\n00:06:13,453 --> 00:06:24,004\n也跟委員報告其實大麻這個大量的一個查緝事實上也感謝我們這一個海關邊境海關因為他的查貨問題是那是上游我當然知道但是到你校園來說你看現在當你發現學生有大麻或在宿舍裡面有大麻的話\n\n18\n00:06:32,853 --> 00:06:37,554\n警政要進入我們校園裡面其實也不太容易因為要經過一連串的這樣的一個過程所以這個東西就更加速我們整個校園裡面使用的一個被查緝的一個困難度剛剛已經司長特別提到嘛很多都是來自白頂階層然後都在家裡使用的時候都會這個如果沒有鄰居報案沒有聞到那個味道你對味道敏感的話你根本就是大家嗨了一晚就沒事了然後五天當中有三天還繼續嗨這是個很大的問題\n\n19\n00:07:01,798 --> 00:07:12,007\n部長我只是提醒你我們現在目前已經到樣態已經是非你所能夠控制的更不要說我們說電子菸好不好我們來看這個電子菸你應該不抽電子菸可是你知道我們電子菸已經入侵校園了嗎而且我要問法務部一下依照電子菸裡面有一個叫做依托米紙的用於這個電子菸當中而且會成癮而且你成癮的話沒有辦法思考然後呢就會像殭屍盤一樣很多民眾檢舉了為什麼我們動作這麼慢\n\n20\n00:07:29,022 --> 00:07:32,944\n法務部要來討論一下,你們什麼時候討論要把它列為我們這個所謂的三級毒品,什麼時候?對嘛,我就知道你要講明天,我就是因為查到你明天我今天特別問你這個問題,其他的各國早就把它列為是一個三級毒品,我們法務部到現在還跟我說明天,你覺得你們會不會太慢了?\n\n21\n00:07:48,872 --> 00:08:05,468\n根委員報告因為我們這個列為毒品的品項有一定的流程就是毒品別人國家沒有流程喔根委員報告因為這個在5月份的時候食藥署那邊已經列為管藥所以你是明天嘛對不對明天變三級毒品\n\n22\n00:08:05,768 --> 00:08:10,173\n我還是認為賣奶多每個人都有流程你這個流程就賣很多當我們的學生而且我還我說一下部長你知道有非常多的人這些學生同才在炫耀本來還有一個叫煙蛋原是三個一百塊但是因為含有毒品現在呢一個要價兩千到兩千五賣完的速度非常快學生還會有集資來購買\n\n23\n00:08:27,452 --> 00:08:47,859\n所以說呢以你們各位的思維再看看我們現在這麼靈活的學生教養網路這個東西我們真的是落伍非常的多這是我很擔心的謝謝警政單位請回我接下來問一下霸凌的問題這個霸凌想讓我非常的痛心啊這個部長完全謝謝我們警政單位可以先回去一下啊這個法務部都回去部長你看看嘛桃園我隨便列舉嘛你看國二的長期受到霸凌傷到一半絕望\n\n24\n00:08:53,041 --> 00:09:01,925\n罪樓、阿嬤、靠咖啡系、三百五十萬的醫療費都付不出來：隔代教養我知道你聽了也會非常的痛心然後呢我們就要問嘛這又不是長期的我都以為在看韓劇看到韓劇我覺得韓國人怎麼這麼可惡你看網路上都是我們台灣的長期霸凌下方為什麼沒有發現通報系統出了什麼問題家長都不知道學校輔導處怎麼可能允許一個女學生被霸凌到這種程度沒有人知道\n\n25\n00:09:21,154 --> 00:09:30,256\n還有用跳樓來凸顯霸凌的黑暗面．還有明星學校這是小三的學生被都是傷然後老師還公審他要向他跟全班來道歉因為他去檢舉老師類似這樣的事情部長看了會不會很痛心是我都很痛心\n\n26\n00:09:40,419 --> 00:09:47,606\n當然是痛心然後呢我們再看看你們所看到的這些所謂的經費來說然後呢經費每一年都在加碗我剛剛以剛剛我們一起來討論你知道嗎為什麼我要特別說你去看看很多學生使用毒品的時候被誘騙的情況你們說你們花了很多的經費在做很多的宣導我告訴你宣導的結果是什麼\n\n27\n00:09:59,537 --> 00:10:03,381\n學到結果就是學生的認知完全是他會被人家認為說免費提供新興的毒品有25%認為說OK這是免費的還有很多人認為說不會被驗出沒有刑責不會成癮\n\n28\n00:10:14,634 --> 00:10:24,119\n這是別人在騙他的時候他都這麼認為然後我們教育部還有一些反毒的宣導還給了一堆的經費這經費還不到位難怪這些學生被騙、被誘騙所以部長我也知道你從小到你從小學到你當過教育地方的教育局長你也當過到目前為止在大學當校長我很清楚但是你看看我們現在的經費是逐年下降我們的預算已經是下降了我們的決算更是沒有辦法\n\n29\n00:10:44,110 --> 00:10:46,751\n所以說呢我說實在我以前在大學也也申請了經費那麼紫金花的見鬼了我跟你說那到底對我們大學生有什麼效果但是呢我們還是那現在連申請都還申請不到\n\n30\n00:11:06,855 --> 00:11:11,218\n所以你剛答應洪孟楷三個月我某種程度還蠻贊同你到年底的因為這些太多樣態了否則你給我們的都會是一些很表象的都告訴我們有你光是看經費光是看樣態還有包括我們之後的怎麼樣去輔導我們的認知你看學生還認為說不會被判刑哦不會成癮哦免費給你哦\n\n31\n00:11:29,949 --> 00:11:54,227\n你看他的認知跟我們宣導的項目差距多大雖然他的預算下降我都認為如果預算沒有用到刀口不太會用到刀口上的話給這麼多預算也沒有用你同意吧部長我同意我想這個怎麼讓預算真正用在刀口上發揮他的一個效益跟品質認知上面不同的階段裡面有不同的認知我個人覺得大學生如果你沒有給他一個\n\n32\n00:11:55,128 --> 00:11:55,608\n委員會就直接排審了我們已經不等了可以嗎部長\n\n33\n00:12:24,131 --> 00:12:24,151\n謝謝委員\n\n34\n00:12:54,285 --> 00:12:54,305\n謝謝關鍵情報\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2605\t12927\t謝謝主席,我們是不是請部長﹖還有我們請法務部的﹖我們的法務部的代表﹖還有我們警政署的代表三位好不好請三位官員就備詢好,謝謝三位我現在是首先是不是可以請教育部長﹖法務部的代表﹖警政署﹖你們可以承諾堅決反對大麻合法化部長你可以率先承諾嗎\n31903\t58188\t法務部長現在不是在做學術討論啊你是不是可以堅決反對大麻合法化現在我們法律的規定是堅決反對好那我們的警政署法務委員警政署也同意好那我們的法務部各位報告有關於大麻非法這一個部分是法務部向來的政策是不可能合法化對所以也是我們安基契土的查緝重點沒錯為什麼我要請\n59608\t59748\t主席\n84199\t87681\t之前就有媒體的報導他們就認為說這個大麻我特別強調這個大麻串起這個在大學裡面幾乎已經是每一個人都很清楚的現在大學生還有包括在很多年輕朋友吸食大麻變成是一種時尚\n100869\t103870\t當媒體這樣報導的時候呢這個教育部馬上就做出回擊然後就告訴大家說根據我們這樣統計呢這個用戶濫用幾乎這個校安通報是下降的來我們來看看這個校育部給我們的數字也的確啦你從108年到112年來說的話校安的通報次數是下降的但是我們再看下一頁\n125299\t125539\t接下來我要問下面這一張\n151894\t156155\t甚至有一位這個已經是署名的醫生：他趁著把他的名字講出來在他的案例當作精神科醫師：他說現在是目前來說的他的這個所謂的個案已經是已經出現了幻聽幻覺而且這位個案他認為他已經特別提出來系上幾乎有一半人都在吸食大麻\n173760\t177745\t那這個東西有待考慮可是這位醫生是我查過了的確是醫院的真實的一個醫生他為什麼要報出這樣的一個個案因為他認為這個事情非常的嚴重我們接下來看一下我接下來問大麻到底去哪裡了我請三位可以代表來回應的因為你看\n191443\t195867\t2023年3月的時候我們高檢署市警目前已經4年增加了8倍然後高檢署在2024年6月7號非常近的告訴我們他們查獲量是從2000跟這個2022年比較起來是增加了將近50%誰可以來回答這個問題然後接下來我還要問一個問題是你們第1檢署辦理大麻的案件你們真假的失用的人數跟你查獲的量數是完全不符合比例的\n221147\t235193\t那這個黑數的確存在啊這誰可以來回應一下所以部長你剛剛所說教育部的教育那個藥物濫用是下降是這樣子嗎我們再往前看保持前面那一張這個黑數到底有多少誰能告訴我們我們是不是可以請我們的法務部\n241141\t263739\t跟委員報告因為就如同剛跟委員報告的法務部對大馬的查緝這幾年來是全力的在查緝所以會有那麼大的量是因為我們包括我們48警察機關全力的查緝那至於這個黑數的問題確實存在著施用人口黑數的一個問題因為大馬施用的人口結構上他是比較高白領\n264600\t266941\t所以跟委員報告這幾波的NG企圖的計畫就針對有關於這一個私用人口的黑素座右系統的一個查緝那有辦法嗎?你看這個差距很大欸\n287827\t312083\t跟委員報告就是一百一十二年就是去年那一年齁總共的適用人數查獲有八百零二個我知道這邊有啊這邊就在上面啊是那這個部門也是你們覺得25%跟你們查獲量我還是一句話啦完全司長完全是不成比例我們往下看啊這我要給部長來看大麻流竄其實最大的問題還是網路隨便可以看到啊你看\n313086\t315089\t我還我這個是完全是用推特他後來改名X的頻道各位部長看這都是在臺灣這全部在臺灣我只拿出1%而已隨處可見到告訴你什麼地方什麼地點你可以用什麼樣的產品你要找什麼樣的人\n329989\t330269\t這是一個非常大的一個問題\n352438\t371191\t部長,你現在已經發現,難怪你需要到年底,如果照這種樣態來說的話,可能給你時間都不夠用,對不對?感謝委員的一個提醒,我想大麻這些的從學校到警政到社政到醫療,我們是一個共同合作的一個單位。\n373453\t384004\t也跟委員報告其實大麻這個大量的一個查緝事實上也感謝我們這一個海關邊境海關因為他的查貨問題是那是上游我當然知道但是到你校園來說你看現在當你發現學生有大麻或在宿舍裡面有大麻的話\n392853\t397554\t警政要進入我們校園裡面其實也不太容易因為要經過一連串的這樣的一個過程所以這個東西就更加速我們整個校園裡面使用的一個被查緝的一個困難度剛剛已經司長特別提到嘛很多都是來自白頂階層然後都在家裡使用的時候都會這個如果沒有鄰居報案沒有聞到那個味道你對味道敏感的話你根本就是大家嗨了一晚就沒事了然後五天當中有三天還繼續嗨這是個很大的問題\n421798\t432007\t部長我只是提醒你我們現在目前已經到樣態已經是非你所能夠控制的更不要說我們說電子菸好不好我們來看這個電子菸你應該不抽電子菸可是你知道我們電子菸已經入侵校園了嗎而且我要問法務部一下依照電子菸裡面有一個叫做依托米紙的用於這個電子菸當中而且會成癮而且你成癮的話沒有辦法思考然後呢就會像殭屍盤一樣很多民眾檢舉了為什麼我們動作這麼慢\n449022\t452944\t法務部要來討論一下,你們什麼時候討論要把它列為我們這個所謂的三級毒品,什麼時候?對嘛,我就知道你要講明天,我就是因為查到你明天我今天特別問你這個問題,其他的各國早就把它列為是一個三級毒品,我們法務部到現在還跟我說明天,你覺得你們會不會太慢了?\n468872\t485468\t根委員報告因為我們這個列為毒品的品項有一定的流程就是毒品別人國家沒有流程喔根委員報告因為這個在5月份的時候食藥署那邊已經列為管藥所以你是明天嘛對不對明天變三級毒品\n485768\t490173\t我還是認為賣奶多每個人都有流程你這個流程就賣很多當我們的學生而且我還 我說一下部長你知道有非常多的人這些學生同才在炫耀本來還有一個叫煙蛋原是三個一百塊但是因為含有毒品現在呢一個要價兩千到兩千五賣完的速度非常快學生還會有集資來購買\n507452\t527859\t所以說呢以你們各位的思維再看看我們現在這麼靈活的學生教養網路這個東西我們真的是落伍非常的多這是我很擔心的謝謝警政單位請回我接下來問一下霸凌的問題這個霸凌想讓我非常的痛心啊這個部長完全謝謝我們警政單位可以先回去一下啊這個法務部都回去部長你看看嘛桃園我隨便列舉嘛你看國二的長期受到霸凌傷到一半絕望\n533041\t541925\t罪樓、阿嬤、靠咖啡系、三百五十萬的醫療費都付不出來：隔代教養我知道你聽了也會非常的痛心然後呢我們就要問嘛這又不是長期的我都以為在看韓劇看到韓劇我覺得韓國人怎麼這麼可惡你看網路上都是我們台灣的長期霸凌下方為什麼沒有發現通報系統出了什麼問題家長都不知道學校輔導處怎麼可能允許一個女學生被霸凌到這種程度沒有人知道\n561154\t570256\t還有用跳樓來凸顯霸凌的黑暗面．還有明星學校這是小三的學生被都是傷然後老師還公審他要向他跟全班來道歉因為他去檢舉老師類似這樣的事情部長看了會不會很痛心是我都很痛心\n580419\t587606\t當然是痛心然後呢我們再看看你們所看到的這些所謂的經費來說然後呢經費每一年都在加碗我剛剛以剛剛我們一起來討論你知道嗎為什麼我要特別說你去看看很多學生使用毒品的時候被誘騙的情況你們說你們花了很多的經費在做很多的宣導我告訴你宣導的結果是什麼\n599537\t603381\t學到結果就是學生的認知完全是他會被人家認為說免費提供新興的毒品有25%認為說OK這是免費的還有很多人認為說不會被驗出沒有刑責不會成癮\n614634\t624119\t這是別人在騙他的時候他都這麼認為然後我們教育部還有一些反毒的宣導還給了一堆的經費這經費還不到位難怪這些學生被騙、被誘騙所以部長我也知道你從小到你從小學到你當過教育地方的教育局長你也當過到目前為止在大學當校長我很清楚但是你看看我們現在的經費是逐年下降我們的預算已經是下降了我們的決算更是沒有辦法\n644110\t646751\t所以說呢 我說實在我以前在大學也 也申請了經費 那麼紫金花的見鬼了 我跟你說那到底對我們大學生有什麼效果 但是呢我們還是 那現在連申請都還申請不到\n666855\t671218\t所以你剛答應洪孟楷三個月我某種程度還蠻贊同你到年底的因為這些太多樣態了否則你給我們的都會是一些很表象的都告訴我們有你光是看經費光是看樣態還有包括我們之後的怎麼樣去輔導我們的認知你看學生還認為說不會被判刑哦不會成癮哦免費給你哦\n689949\t714227\t你看他的認知跟我們宣導的項目差距多大雖然他的預算下降我都認為如果預算沒有用到刀口不太會用到刀口上的話給這麼多預算也沒有用你同意吧部長我同意我想這個怎麼讓預算真正用在刀口上發揮他的一個效益跟品質認知上面不同的階段裡面有不同的認知我個人覺得大學生如果你沒有給他一個\n715128\t715608\t委員會就直接排審了 我們已經不等了 可以嗎 部長\n744131\t744151\t謝謝委員\n774285\t774305\t謝謝關鍵情報\n","txt":"謝謝主席,我們是不是請部長﹖還有我們請法務部的﹖我們的法務部的代表﹖還有我們警政署的代表三位好不好請三位官員就備詢好,謝謝三位我現在是首先是不是可以請教育部長﹖法務部的代表﹖警政署﹖你們可以承諾堅決反對大麻合法化部長你可以率先承諾嗎\n法務部長現在不是在做學術討論啊你是不是可以堅決反對大麻合法化現在我們法律的規定是堅決反對好那我們的警政署法務委員警政署也同意好那我們的法務部各位報告有關於大麻非法這一個部分是法務部向來的政策是不可能合法化對所以也是我們安基契土的查緝重點沒錯為什麼我要請\n主席\n之前就有媒體的報導他們就認為說這個大麻我特別強調這個大麻串起這個在大學裡面幾乎已經是每一個人都很清楚的現在大學生還有包括在很多年輕朋友吸食大麻變成是一種時尚\n當媒體這樣報導的時候呢這個教育部馬上就做出回擊然後就告訴大家說根據我們這樣統計呢這個用戶濫用幾乎這個校安通報是下降的來我們來看看這個校育部給我們的數字也的確啦你從108年到112年來說的話校安的通報次數是下降的但是我們再看下一頁\n接下來我要問下面這一張\n甚至有一位這個已經是署名的醫生：他趁著把他的名字講出來在他的案例當作精神科醫師：他說現在是目前來說的他的這個所謂的個案已經是已經出現了幻聽幻覺而且這位個案他認為他已經特別提出來系上幾乎有一半人都在吸食大麻\n那這個東西有待考慮可是這位醫生是我查過了的確是醫院的真實的一個醫生他為什麼要報出這樣的一個個案因為他認為這個事情非常的嚴重我們接下來看一下我接下來問大麻到底去哪裡了我請三位可以代表來回應的因為你看\n2023年3月的時候我們高檢署市警目前已經4年增加了8倍然後高檢署在2024年6月7號非常近的告訴我們他們查獲量是從2000跟這個2022年比較起來是增加了將近50%誰可以來回答這個問題然後接下來我還要問一個問題是你們第1檢署辦理大麻的案件你們真假的失用的人數跟你查獲的量數是完全不符合比例的\n那這個黑數的確存在啊這誰可以來回應一下所以部長你剛剛所說教育部的教育那個藥物濫用是下降是這樣子嗎我們再往前看保持前面那一張這個黑數到底有多少誰能告訴我們我們是不是可以請我們的法務部\n跟委員報告因為就如同剛跟委員報告的法務部對大馬的查緝這幾年來是全力的在查緝所以會有那麼大的量是因為我們包括我們48警察機關全力的查緝那至於這個黑數的問題確實存在著施用人口黑數的一個問題因為大馬施用的人口結構上他是比較高白領\n所以跟委員報告這幾波的NG企圖的計畫就針對有關於這一個私用人口的黑素座右系統的一個查緝那有辦法嗎?你看這個差距很大欸\n跟委員報告就是一百一十二年就是去年那一年齁總共的適用人數查獲有八百零二個我知道這邊有啊這邊就在上面啊是那這個部門也是你們覺得25%跟你們查獲量我還是一句話啦完全司長完全是不成比例我們往下看啊這我要給部長來看大麻流竄其實最大的問題還是網路隨便可以看到啊你看\n我還我這個是完全是用推特他後來改名X的頻道各位部長看這都是在臺灣這全部在臺灣我只拿出1%而已隨處可見到告訴你什麼地方什麼地點你可以用什麼樣的產品你要找什麼樣的人\n這是一個非常大的一個問題\n部長,你現在已經發現,難怪你需要到年底,如果照這種樣態來說的話,可能給你時間都不夠用,對不對?感謝委員的一個提醒,我想大麻這些的從學校到警政到社政到醫療,我們是一個共同合作的一個單位。\n也跟委員報告其實大麻這個大量的一個查緝事實上也感謝我們這一個海關邊境海關因為他的查貨問題是那是上游我當然知道但是到你校園來說你看現在當你發現學生有大麻或在宿舍裡面有大麻的話\n警政要進入我們校園裡面其實也不太容易因為要經過一連串的這樣的一個過程所以這個東西就更加速我們整個校園裡面使用的一個被查緝的一個困難度剛剛已經司長特別提到嘛很多都是來自白頂階層然後都在家裡使用的時候都會這個如果沒有鄰居報案沒有聞到那個味道你對味道敏感的話你根本就是大家嗨了一晚就沒事了然後五天當中有三天還繼續嗨這是個很大的問題\n部長我只是提醒你我們現在目前已經到樣態已經是非你所能夠控制的更不要說我們說電子菸好不好我們來看這個電子菸你應該不抽電子菸可是你知道我們電子菸已經入侵校園了嗎而且我要問法務部一下依照電子菸裡面有一個叫做依托米紙的用於這個電子菸當中而且會成癮而且你成癮的話沒有辦法思考然後呢就會像殭屍盤一樣很多民眾檢舉了為什麼我們動作這麼慢\n法務部要來討論一下,你們什麼時候討論要把它列為我們這個所謂的三級毒品,什麼時候?對嘛,我就知道你要講明天,我就是因為查到你明天我今天特別問你這個問題,其他的各國早就把它列為是一個三級毒品,我們法務部到現在還跟我說明天,你覺得你們會不會太慢了?\n根委員報告因為我們這個列為毒品的品項有一定的流程就是毒品別人國家沒有流程喔根委員報告因為這個在5月份的時候食藥署那邊已經列為管藥所以你是明天嘛對不對明天變三級毒品\n我還是認為賣奶多每個人都有流程你這個流程就賣很多當我們的學生而且我還 我說一下部長你知道有非常多的人這些學生同才在炫耀本來還有一個叫煙蛋原是三個一百塊但是因為含有毒品現在呢一個要價兩千到兩千五賣完的速度非常快學生還會有集資來購買\n所以說呢以你們各位的思維再看看我們現在這麼靈活的學生教養網路這個東西我們真的是落伍非常的多這是我很擔心的謝謝警政單位請回我接下來問一下霸凌的問題這個霸凌想讓我非常的痛心啊這個部長完全謝謝我們警政單位可以先回去一下啊這個法務部都回去部長你看看嘛桃園我隨便列舉嘛你看國二的長期受到霸凌傷到一半絕望\n罪樓、阿嬤、靠咖啡系、三百五十萬的醫療費都付不出來：隔代教養我知道你聽了也會非常的痛心然後呢我們就要問嘛這又不是長期的我都以為在看韓劇看到韓劇我覺得韓國人怎麼這麼可惡你看網路上都是我們台灣的長期霸凌下方為什麼沒有發現通報系統出了什麼問題家長都不知道學校輔導處怎麼可能允許一個女學生被霸凌到這種程度沒有人知道\n還有用跳樓來凸顯霸凌的黑暗面．還有明星學校這是小三的學生被都是傷然後老師還公審他要向他跟全班來道歉因為他去檢舉老師類似這樣的事情部長看了會不會很痛心是我都很痛心\n當然是痛心然後呢我們再看看你們所看到的這些所謂的經費來說然後呢經費每一年都在加碗我剛剛以剛剛我們一起來討論你知道嗎為什麼我要特別說你去看看很多學生使用毒品的時候被誘騙的情況你們說你們花了很多的經費在做很多的宣導我告訴你宣導的結果是什麼\n學到結果就是學生的認知完全是他會被人家認為說免費提供新興的毒品有25%認為說OK這是免費的還有很多人認為說不會被驗出沒有刑責不會成癮\n這是別人在騙他的時候他都這麼認為然後我們教育部還有一些反毒的宣導還給了一堆的經費這經費還不到位難怪這些學生被騙、被誘騙所以部長我也知道你從小到你從小學到你當過教育地方的教育局長你也當過到目前為止在大學當校長我很清楚但是你看看我們現在的經費是逐年下降我們的預算已經是下降了我們的決算更是沒有辦法\n所以說呢 我說實在我以前在大學也 也申請了經費 那麼紫金花的見鬼了 我跟你說那到底對我們大學生有什麼效果 但是呢我們還是 那現在連申請都還申請不到\n所以你剛答應洪孟楷三個月我某種程度還蠻贊同你到年底的因為這些太多樣態了否則你給我們的都會是一些很表象的都告訴我們有你光是看經費光是看樣態還有包括我們之後的怎麼樣去輔導我們的認知你看學生還認為說不會被判刑哦不會成癮哦免費給你哦\n你看他的認知跟我們宣導的項目差距多大雖然他的預算下降我都認為如果預算沒有用到刀口不太會用到刀口上的話給這麼多預算也沒有用你同意吧部長我同意我想這個怎麼讓預算真正用在刀口上發揮他的一個效益跟品質認知上面不同的階段裡面有不同的認知我個人覺得大學生如果你沒有給他一個\n委員會就直接排審了 我們已經不等了 可以嗎 部長\n謝謝委員\n謝謝關鍵情報\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.605 --> 00:12.927\n謝謝主席,我們是不是請部長﹖還有我們請法務部的﹖我們的法務部的代表﹖還有我們警政署的代表三位好不好請三位官員就備詢好,謝謝三位我現在是首先是不是可以請教育部長﹖法務部的代表﹖警政署﹖你們可以承諾堅決反對大麻合法化部長你可以率先承諾嗎\n\n00:31.903 --> 00:58.188\n法務部長現在不是在做學術討論啊你是不是可以堅決反對大麻合法化現在我們法律的規定是堅決反對好那我們的警政署法務委員警政署也同意好那我們的法務部各位報告有關於大麻非法這一個部分是法務部向來的政策是不可能合法化對所以也是我們安基契土的查緝重點沒錯為什麼我要請\n\n00:59.608 --> 00:59.748\n主席\n\n01:24.199 --> 01:27.681\n之前就有媒體的報導他們就認為說這個大麻我特別強調這個大麻串起這個在大學裡面幾乎已經是每一個人都很清楚的現在大學生還有包括在很多年輕朋友吸食大麻變成是一種時尚\n\n01:40.869 --> 01:43.870\n當媒體這樣報導的時候呢這個教育部馬上就做出回擊然後就告訴大家說根據我們這樣統計呢這個用戶濫用幾乎這個校安通報是下降的來我們來看看這個校育部給我們的數字也的確啦你從108年到112年來說的話校安的通報次數是下降的但是我們再看下一頁\n\n02:05.299 --> 02:05.539\n接下來我要問下面這一張\n\n02:31.894 --> 02:36.155\n甚至有一位這個已經是署名的醫生：他趁著把他的名字講出來在他的案例當作精神科醫師：他說現在是目前來說的他的這個所謂的個案已經是已經出現了幻聽幻覺而且這位個案他認為他已經特別提出來系上幾乎有一半人都在吸食大麻\n\n02:53.760 --> 02:57.745\n那這個東西有待考慮可是這位醫生是我查過了的確是醫院的真實的一個醫生他為什麼要報出這樣的一個個案因為他認為這個事情非常的嚴重我們接下來看一下我接下來問大麻到底去哪裡了我請三位可以代表來回應的因為你看\n\n03:11.443 --> 03:15.867\n2023年3月的時候我們高檢署市警目前已經4年增加了8倍然後高檢署在2024年6月7號非常近的告訴我們他們查獲量是從2000跟這個2022年比較起來是增加了將近50%誰可以來回答這個問題然後接下來我還要問一個問題是你們第1檢署辦理大麻的案件你們真假的失用的人數跟你查獲的量數是完全不符合比例的\n\n03:41.147 --> 03:55.193\n那這個黑數的確存在啊這誰可以來回應一下所以部長你剛剛所說教育部的教育那個藥物濫用是下降是這樣子嗎我們再往前看保持前面那一張這個黑數到底有多少誰能告訴我們我們是不是可以請我們的法務部\n\n04:01.141 --> 04:23.739\n跟委員報告因為就如同剛跟委員報告的法務部對大馬的查緝這幾年來是全力的在查緝所以會有那麼大的量是因為我們包括我們48警察機關全力的查緝那至於這個黑數的問題確實存在著施用人口黑數的一個問題因為大馬施用的人口結構上他是比較高白領\n\n04:24.600 --> 04:26.941\n所以跟委員報告這幾波的NG企圖的計畫就針對有關於這一個私用人口的黑素座右系統的一個查緝那有辦法嗎?你看這個差距很大欸\n\n04:47.827 --> 05:12.083\n跟委員報告就是一百一十二年就是去年那一年齁總共的適用人數查獲有八百零二個我知道這邊有啊這邊就在上面啊是那這個部門也是你們覺得25%跟你們查獲量我還是一句話啦完全司長完全是不成比例我們往下看啊這我要給部長來看大麻流竄其實最大的問題還是網路隨便可以看到啊你看\n\n05:13.086 --> 05:15.089\n我還我這個是完全是用推特他後來改名X的頻道各位部長看這都是在臺灣這全部在臺灣我只拿出1%而已隨處可見到告訴你什麼地方什麼地點你可以用什麼樣的產品你要找什麼樣的人\n\n05:29.989 --> 05:30.269\n這是一個非常大的一個問題\n\n05:52.438 --> 06:11.191\n部長,你現在已經發現,難怪你需要到年底,如果照這種樣態來說的話,可能給你時間都不夠用,對不對?感謝委員的一個提醒,我想大麻這些的從學校到警政到社政到醫療,我們是一個共同合作的一個單位。\n\n06:13.453 --> 06:24.004\n也跟委員報告其實大麻這個大量的一個查緝事實上也感謝我們這一個海關邊境海關因為他的查貨問題是那是上游我當然知道但是到你校園來說你看現在當你發現學生有大麻或在宿舍裡面有大麻的話\n\n06:32.853 --> 06:37.554\n警政要進入我們校園裡面其實也不太容易因為要經過一連串的這樣的一個過程所以這個東西就更加速我們整個校園裡面使用的一個被查緝的一個困難度剛剛已經司長特別提到嘛很多都是來自白頂階層然後都在家裡使用的時候都會這個如果沒有鄰居報案沒有聞到那個味道你對味道敏感的話你根本就是大家嗨了一晚就沒事了然後五天當中有三天還繼續嗨這是個很大的問題\n\n07:01.798 --> 07:12.007\n部長我只是提醒你我們現在目前已經到樣態已經是非你所能夠控制的更不要說我們說電子菸好不好我們來看這個電子菸你應該不抽電子菸可是你知道我們電子菸已經入侵校園了嗎而且我要問法務部一下依照電子菸裡面有一個叫做依托米紙的用於這個電子菸當中而且會成癮而且你成癮的話沒有辦法思考然後呢就會像殭屍盤一樣很多民眾檢舉了為什麼我們動作這麼慢\n\n07:29.022 --> 07:32.944\n法務部要來討論一下,你們什麼時候討論要把它列為我們這個所謂的三級毒品,什麼時候?對嘛,我就知道你要講明天,我就是因為查到你明天我今天特別問你這個問題,其他的各國早就把它列為是一個三級毒品,我們法務部到現在還跟我說明天,你覺得你們會不會太慢了?\n\n07:48.872 --> 08:05.468\n根委員報告因為我們這個列為毒品的品項有一定的流程就是毒品別人國家沒有流程喔根委員報告因為這個在5月份的時候食藥署那邊已經列為管藥所以你是明天嘛對不對明天變三級毒品\n\n08:05.768 --> 08:10.173\n我還是認為賣奶多每個人都有流程你這個流程就賣很多當我們的學生而且我還我說一下部長你知道有非常多的人這些學生同才在炫耀本來還有一個叫煙蛋原是三個一百塊但是因為含有毒品現在呢一個要價兩千到兩千五賣完的速度非常快學生還會有集資來購買\n\n08:27.452 --> 08:47.859\n所以說呢以你們各位的思維再看看我們現在這麼靈活的學生教養網路這個東西我們真的是落伍非常的多這是我很擔心的謝謝警政單位請回我接下來問一下霸凌的問題這個霸凌想讓我非常的痛心啊這個部長完全謝謝我們警政單位可以先回去一下啊這個法務部都回去部長你看看嘛桃園我隨便列舉嘛你看國二的長期受到霸凌傷到一半絕望\n\n08:53.041 --> 09:01.925\n罪樓、阿嬤、靠咖啡系、三百五十萬的醫療費都付不出來：隔代教養我知道你聽了也會非常的痛心然後呢我們就要問嘛這又不是長期的我都以為在看韓劇看到韓劇我覺得韓國人怎麼這麼可惡你看網路上都是我們台灣的長期霸凌下方為什麼沒有發現通報系統出了什麼問題家長都不知道學校輔導處怎麼可能允許一個女學生被霸凌到這種程度沒有人知道\n\n09:21.154 --> 09:30.256\n還有用跳樓來凸顯霸凌的黑暗面．還有明星學校這是小三的學生被都是傷然後老師還公審他要向他跟全班來道歉因為他去檢舉老師類似這樣的事情部長看了會不會很痛心是我都很痛心\n\n09:40.419 --> 09:47.606\n當然是痛心然後呢我們再看看你們所看到的這些所謂的經費來說然後呢經費每一年都在加碗我剛剛以剛剛我們一起來討論你知道嗎為什麼我要特別說你去看看很多學生使用毒品的時候被誘騙的情況你們說你們花了很多的經費在做很多的宣導我告訴你宣導的結果是什麼\n\n09:59.537 --> 10:03.381\n學到結果就是學生的認知完全是他會被人家認為說免費提供新興的毒品有25%認為說OK這是免費的還有很多人認為說不會被驗出沒有刑責不會成癮\n\n10:14.634 --> 10:24.119\n這是別人在騙他的時候他都這麼認為然後我們教育部還有一些反毒的宣導還給了一堆的經費這經費還不到位難怪這些學生被騙、被誘騙所以部長我也知道你從小到你從小學到你當過教育地方的教育局長你也當過到目前為止在大學當校長我很清楚但是你看看我們現在的經費是逐年下降我們的預算已經是下降了我們的決算更是沒有辦法\n\n10:44.110 --> 10:46.751\n所以說呢我說實在我以前在大學也也申請了經費那麼紫金花的見鬼了我跟你說那到底對我們大學生有什麼效果但是呢我們還是那現在連申請都還申請不到\n\n11:06.855 --> 11:11.218\n所以你剛答應洪孟楷三個月我某種程度還蠻贊同你到年底的因為這些太多樣態了否則你給我們的都會是一些很表象的都告訴我們有你光是看經費光是看樣態還有包括我們之後的怎麼樣去輔導我們的認知你看學生還認為說不會被判刑哦不會成癮哦免費給你哦\n\n11:29.949 --> 11:54.227\n你看他的認知跟我們宣導的項目差距多大雖然他的預算下降我都認為如果預算沒有用到刀口不太會用到刀口上的話給這麼多預算也沒有用你同意吧部長我同意我想這個怎麼讓預算真正用在刀口上發揮他的一個效益跟品質認知上面不同的階段裡面有不同的認知我個人覺得大學生如果你沒有給他一個\n\n11:55.128 --> 11:55.608\n委員會就直接排審了我們已經不等了可以嗎部長\n\n12:24.131 --> 12:24.151\n謝謝委員\n\n12:54.285 --> 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