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00:01:18,700\n口袋裏面錢還不少造成房價的新高第三個原因是財政部的新清安政策催出自住的需求那前兩個是經濟好、景氣好大家口袋有錢房價上升是合理的那第三個就是新清安的政策那媒體有針對於新清安房貸\n\n5\n00:01:19,580 --> 00:01:35,075\n有四個後遺症我要跟主委分享就是說因為它的四項政策內容主委你應該熟悉嘛新清安政策我如果20歲我買房我到我用新清安政策的話我到60歲才需要緩緩\n\n6\n00:01:36,056 --> 00:01:37,276\n那我也關注到\n\n7\n00:01:57,681 --> 00:02:21,973\n新清安政策第一季從20到35歲房貸族的年增率增加了48件我從去年2023年第4季因為新清安政策是從去年開始第4季總共有5.4萬件房貸那在新清安政策裡面就佔了1.8萬件佔了三分之一那今年的第一季總共有5.8萬件那總共\n\n8\n00:02:25,795 --> 00:02:49,155\n總共房貸的年增率增加39%所以從這些數據上可以看到新青安的助攻之下就是說年輕人買房的確非常踴躍就從我們的數據上可以顯示主委你同意我剛才講的這四大後遺症是新青安政策造成的嗎\n\n9\n00:02:50,976 --> 00:03:14,228\n這個我覺得今晚會所主政的範圍可能也不在這裡不過我覺得很多媒體或是在外部的在討論的問題不過確實大家對高房價是有很大的感覺那剛剛講新清安也是政府照顧年輕人的一個做法是我同意對因為很多人是爸爸媽媽幫忙買是的對我同意所以\n\n10\n00:03:17,216 --> 00:03:37,811\n但是主委我還是要問因為明天就是6月13號央行明天就要開理監事會那我也看到媒體報導就是說預期會有第六波的打防那跨部會無論是選擇性央行會用選擇性的信用的管制也好或者是我看到媒體所下的標\n\n11\n00:03:38,892 --> 00:03:57,550\n會用跨部會的來打防特別是內政部也提到說如果有第6波升息的話那後面可能就不再做利率的補貼所以這個整個我從媒體上看到的還有跨部會後續的動作我們現在是又要進行下一波的打防了嗎\n\n12\n00:03:59,730 --> 00:04:15,168\n這個有關這個房價政策不是金管會的主政金管會在意的是我們現在這些銀行們他們在放貸這些不動產相關事業的風險有沒有過高那我們是在根據銀行法72之2條裡面的規範來進行管理\n\n13\n00:04:17,270 --> 00:04:38,161\n主委我同意你的說法就是說股市好經濟好房價可能自然就高當然我覺得合理的房價當然也很重要房價高但是我覺得合理的房價當然也很重要但是政府更應該注意的是我們整個房地產的狀況到底是不是它的體質是不是屬於一個健康的狀況\n\n14\n00:04:40,302 --> 00:05:06,170\n我們現在無論是房價高漲也讓住宅建築放款預比達到14兆我昨天就看到我們無論是本國的住宅貸款建築貸款其實都在0.06%到0.03%其實如果按照我們整體的預放比的話只有0.17%其實好像也不是算太高所以我最近看到你們新聞稿也一直在提到說我們現在\n\n15\n00:05:08,531 --> 00:05:29,583\n購屋的貸款餘額已經突破10兆元的大關我們目前無論是建築、購屋跟房屋的修繕餘額在我們整體銀行的整體的放款達到37.21%所以我想請問一下部長、主委我們整體銀行局在開記者會提到35%\n\n16\n00:05:34,265 --> 00:05:35,586\n三十五%是否比較合理的數字?預放款的整體比例?\n\n17\n00:05:49,730 --> 00:06:17,988\n你解答就好了是不是要用35%它是不是37.21%是不是太高報告委員這個37.21%我覺得可能是統計的基礎上的差異那你們是用35來做基準是不是我們目前查到就是那什麼是一個合理的數字因為35是目前的數字可是我們今天來看的話最近這一年其實是112年12月底也是去年年底的時候\n\n18\n00:06:18,368 --> 00:06:44,842\n他的比率是高於35點多其實這個我們只是在顯示說集中度的問題那我必須要跟為什麼是35做基準點為什麼不是36為什麼不是33為什麼不是30這個不是基準點這個基本上只是在顯示說他的比率是這樣那我剛剛說的超過35也是去年12月底的數字所以你們是希望他接近35\n\n19\n00:06:46,687 --> 00:07:06,852\n我想局長意思就是說他看過去一整年大概都維持在35%左右雖然有略高一點比如最高點不過35.38%最近都是一直都維持在35%他只是描述現況好主委那所以行政院並沒有對於第六波打防整體跨部會是一個共識對不對\n\n20\n00:07:08,581 --> 00:07:16,309\n我們現在就是我們還是雖然你不主導但是你也是其中的角色之一我們現在還是做我們金管會該做的事現在\n\n21\n00:07:17,675 --> 00:07:24,817\n主委我不為難您主委因為我今天時間不多我還是要問一下現在最後兩分鐘我還是要問一下虛擬平台我們現在詐騙的問題詐騙的議題其實剛剛前面賴委員也有問到其實它最大的問題就是無內在的價值波動很高還有平台有它的風險在\n\n22\n00:07:39,683 --> 00:07:58,098\n無論是剛才我們有提到就是說VASP的業者我們現在要讓他成立一個平台但是包括ACE的交易在110年就有一個個案他的詐騙金額高達8億上週開庭的時候在押主席人還非常囂張的比業那個動作\n\n23\n00:08:00,780 --> 00:08:18,580\n就是說主委我們覺得詐騙的問題我們要控管平台但是它也要成立一個工會我們未來你看它都已經這麼囂張已經在押開庭還這麼囂張未來我們的角色怎麼樣去做監管就是說管控或管理\n\n24\n00:08:19,421 --> 00:08:38,884\n謝謝委員這確實是我們很大的挑戰不過他個人行為我們不以置評但是對於未來個人必傷剛剛不管是我們的報告還有法務部的報告都有特別講我們就是為了針對這件事情社會的期待我們在《洗錢防制法》裡面也參考國際的趨勢那未來平台成立之後我們有什麼樣更好的管理方式嗎\n\n25\n00:08:39,284 --> 00:09:00,506\n現在的話我們馬上假設經過大院通過我們《洗錢防制法》的話我們就可以對這些個人弊傷可以刑責這樣根據我們的預估應該會產生很大的嚇阻作用會回歸到一些正軌去就是說你必須要是來做洗房登記那洗房登記的標準就必須要完成我們滿足我們《洗錢防制法》的要求\n\n26\n00:09:01,167 --> 00:09:17,957\n那這樣我們在到處看得到的這些所謂的個人幣商應該就會受到一些的控制以上好各位那個剛才賴會員委員也提到說用人的部分因為我有看到你們在爭財有關於我們的虛擬的資產兼領元我們首度計算6.8萬元以上的月薪我們也在找人\n\n27\n00:09:25,241 --> 00:09:50,955\n這些人找到了沒?因為我們要設立專法這些人6.8萬人算高嗎?找這樣的專業算高嗎?人找到了嗎?我們很努力很努力地找我們要第一階段三個找到兩個找到兩個三個夠不夠?當然不夠當然不夠還要再繼續找因為我們有分階段的給我們人力但是今年的三個我們大概就是再努力再找詐騙虛擬平台的管理是\n\n28\n00:09:54,617 --> 00:10:09,168\n很重要的業務所以我們才設打詐專法我希望在這一塊你有更具體的做法最後要問星光人壽因為你雖然上任不到一個月但是你對於壽險公司的業務你相對是非常熟悉的相對於剛才\n\n29\n00:10:10,569 --> 00:10:38,074\n賴氏寶委員問的其他的問題就是說對於不管是新售它是家族的問題還是金金未來併購的問題合併的問題我還是要請教就是說5月16跟5月24我們分別收到三商售跟新售提交的整體的體質改善計畫那現在已經到6月中了那我們現在對於金管會對於這兩家的改善計畫評估好不好能不能接受還是持續的改善呢對他最近送進來兩份報告滿不滿意\n\n30\n00:10:40,046 --> 00:10:48,216\n呃...我們...行手跟三...可不可以因為現在是保安局正在審查中我們可以請保安局局長跟您回覆,謝謝局長請檢答\n\n31\n00:10:51,360 --> 00:11:13,334\n法務委員他們的報告我們目前審查之後有跟公司約時間再做一些溝通那溝通完畢有沒有達到及格還是說還是不及格成績還是那個方向到底是什麼有一些他們有提出一些具體的政治計畫那我們有在評估說到底他的可行性還有他的時程請他們再更具體一點如果沒問題的話我們就會核定給他\n\n32\n00:11:19,318 --> 00:11:31,345\n那我這樣聽起來好像是你目前看來是滿意的再補充一些資料就可以了有一些方向上他們確實有提出來但是具體時程是不是能夠達到一定的標準這個部分我們還在溝通你還需要多少時間我們才會知道結果因為我們已經有跟他們約時間談了啦所以應該我上次就沒關係你跟他說當時我才可以再問一次\n\n33\n00:11:45,033 --> 00:12:09,028\n應該這個月就應該要完成溝通六月底就要完成溝通好因為這兩天新秀的新聞星光相關的新聞非常多我在最後30秒他現在新秀已經在星光金控已經在做信心增資包括公司債的部分這兩天的新聞在市場上會不會受到衝擊然後我們如果受到衝擊我們金管會的立場跟做法到底是什麼\n\n34\n00:12:09,588 --> 00:12:27,311\n就以法律面來看這兩個是獨立的事件但是我覺得可能有些心理你覺得會不會受到市場會不會受到衝擊我覺得心理面會受到事件影響不過我們評估過在法律上兩個是獨立的事件對不起你剛說法律面怎麼樣是獨立的事件\n\n35\n00:12:28,191 --> 00:12:41,600\n是圖利的事件是兩個獨立的事件是兩個獨立的事件所以你覺得短期會受到衝擊不會有影響這個是我們講心裡面的部分我們沒辦法預期但是我剛才講說就法律面我們一個是他的增資計畫一個是大股東的行為這兩個是分開的好的謝謝主委的回應謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n49\t350\t有請彭主委\n6383\t30012\t委員好 主委好 主委辛苦了剛上任一個月 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各位那個剛才賴會員委員也提到說用人的部分因為我有看到你們在爭財有關於我們的虛擬的資產兼領元我們首度計算6.8萬元以上的月薪我們也在找人\n565241\t590955\t這些人找到了沒?因為我們要設立專法這些人6.8萬人算高嗎?找這樣的專業算高嗎?人找到了嗎?我們很努力很努力地找我們要第一階段三個找到兩個找到兩個三個夠不夠?當然不夠當然不夠還要再繼續找因為我們有分階段的給我們人力但是今年的三個我們大概就是再努力再找詐騙虛擬平台的管理是\n594617\t609168\t很重要的業務所以我們才設打詐專法我希望在這一塊你有更具體的做法最後要問星光人壽因為你雖然上任不到一個月但是你對於壽險公司的業務你相對是非常熟悉的相對於剛才\n610569\t638074\t賴氏寶委員問的其他的問題就是說對於不管是新售它是家族的問題還是金金未來併購的問題合併的問題我還是要請教就是說5月16跟5月24我們分別收到三商售跟新售提交的整體的體質改善計畫那現在已經到6月中了那我們現在對於金管會對於這兩家的改善計畫評估好不好能不能接受還是持續的改善呢對他最近送進來兩份報告滿不滿意\n640046\t648216\t呃...我們...行手跟三...可不可以因為現在是保安局正在審查中我們可以請保安局局長跟您回覆,謝謝局長請檢答\n651360\t673334\t法務委員他們的報告我們目前審查之後有跟公司約時間再做一些溝通那溝通完畢有沒有達到及格還是說還是不及格成績還是那個方向到底是什麼有一些他們有提出一些具體的政治計畫那我們有在評估說到底他的可行性還有他的時程請他們再更具體一點如果沒問題的話我們就會核定給他\n679318\t691345\t那我這樣聽起來好像是你目前看來是滿意的再補充一些資料就可以了有一些方向上他們確實有提出來但是具體時程是不是能夠達到一定的標準這個部分我們還在溝通你還需要多少時間我們才會知道結果因為我們已經有跟他們約時間談了啦所以應該我上次就沒關係你跟他說當時我才可以再問一次\n705033\t729028\t應該這個月就應該要完成溝通六月底就要完成溝通好因為這兩天新秀的新聞星光相關的新聞非常多我在最後30秒他現在新秀已經在星光金控已經在做信心增資包括公司債的部分這兩天的新聞在市場上會不會受到衝擊然後我們如果受到衝擊我們金管會的立場跟做法到底是什麼\n729588\t747311\t就以法律面來看這兩個是獨立的事件但是我覺得可能有些心理你覺得會不會受到市場會不會受到衝擊我覺得心理面會受到事件影響不過我們評估過在法律上兩個是獨立的事件對不起你剛說法律面怎麼樣是獨立的事件\n748191\t761600\t是圖利的事件是兩個獨立的事件是兩個獨立的事件所以你覺得短期會受到衝擊不會有影響這個是我們講心裡面的部分我們沒辦法預期但是我剛才講說就法律面我們一個是他的增資計畫一個是大股東的行為這兩個是分開的好的謝謝主委的回應謝謝委員\n","txt":"有請彭主委\n委員好 主委好 主委辛苦了剛上任一個月 主委因為我今天問題比較多我就直接進入我的正題主委我要先問一下房價高漲的問題您就直接看我的圖表很快就可以了解無論是從我們四大房價的指數從政大永慶、信義、清華安富包括內政部的住格房價\n我們都可以看到這個房價從這四大家分析的房價指數都可以看到房價又創了歷史的新高那目前我們央行分析房價高漲主要有幾個原因是臺灣出口的這個數字明顯回升那第二個就是股市兩萬多點經濟到最好的時刻所以大家都\n口袋裏面錢還不少造成房價的新高第三個原因是財政部的新清安政策催出自住的需求那前兩個是經濟好、景氣好大家口袋有錢房價上升是合理的那第三個就是新清安的政策那媒體有針對於新清安房貸\n有四個後遺症我要跟主委分享就是說因為它的四項政策內容主委你應該熟悉嘛新清安政策我如果20歲我買房我到我用新清安政策的話我到60歲才需要緩緩\n那我也關注到\n新清安政策第一季從20到35歲房貸族的年增率增加了48件我從去年2023年第4季因為新清安政策是從去年開始第4季總共有5.4萬件房貸那在新清安政策裡面就佔了1.8萬件佔了三分之一那今年的第一季總共有5.8萬件那總共\n總共房貸的年增率增加39%所以從這些數據上可以看到新青安的助攻之下就是說年輕人買房的確非常踴躍就從我們的數據上可以顯示主委你同意我剛才講的這四大後遺症是新青安政策造成的嗎\n這個我覺得今晚會所主政的範圍可能也不在這裡不過我覺得很多媒體或是在外部的在討論的問題不過確實大家對高房價是有很大的感覺那剛剛講新清安也是政府照顧年輕人的一個做法是我同意對因為很多人是爸爸媽媽幫忙買是的對我同意所以\n但是主委我還是要問因為明天就是6月13號央行明天就要開理監事會那我也看到媒體報導就是說預期會有第六波的打防那跨部會無論是選擇性央行會用選擇性的信用的管制也好或者是我看到媒體所下的標\n會用跨部會的來打防特別是內政部也提到說如果有第6波升息的話那後面可能就不再做利率的補貼所以這個整個我從媒體上看到的還有跨部會後續的動作我們現在是又要進行下一波的打防了嗎\n這個有關這個房價政策不是金管會的主政金管會在意的是我們現在這些銀行們他們在放貸這些不動產相關事業的風險有沒有過高那我們是在根據銀行法72之2條裡面的規範來進行管理\n主委我同意你的說法就是說股市好經濟好房價可能自然就高當然我覺得合理的房價當然也很重要房價高但是我覺得合理的房價當然也很重要但是政府更應該注意的是我們整個房地產的狀況到底是不是它的體質是不是屬於一個健康的狀況\n我們現在無論是房價高漲也讓住宅建築放款預比達到14兆我昨天就看到我們無論是本國的住宅貸款建築貸款其實都在0.06%到0.03%其實如果按照我們整體的預放比的話只有0.17%其實好像也不是算太高所以我最近看到你們新聞稿也一直在提到說我們現在\n購屋的貸款餘額已經突破10兆元的大關我們目前無論是建築、購屋跟房屋的修繕餘額在我們整體銀行的整體的放款達到37.21%所以我想請問一下部長、主委我們整體銀行局在開記者會提到35%\n三十五%是否比較合理的數字?預放款的整體比例?\n你解答就好了是不是要用35%它是不是37.21%是不是太高報告委員這個37.21%我覺得可能是統計的基礎上的差異那你們是用35來做基準是不是我們目前查到就是那什麼是一個合理的數字因為35是目前的數字可是我們今天來看的話最近這一年其實是112年12月底也是去年年底的時候\n他的比率是高於35點多其實這個我們只是在顯示說集中度的問題那我必須要跟為什麼是35做基準點為什麼不是36為什麼不是33為什麼不是30這個不是基準點這個基本上只是在顯示說他的比率是這樣那我剛剛說的超過35也是去年12月底的數字所以你們是希望他接近35\n我想局長意思就是說他看過去一整年大概都維持在35%左右雖然有略高一點比如最高點不過35.38%最近都是一直都維持在35%他只是描述現況好主委那所以行政院並沒有對於第六波打防整體跨部會是一個共識對不對\n我們現在就是我們還是雖然你不主導但是你也是其中的角色之一我們現在還是做我們金管會該做的事現在\n主委我不為難您主委因為我今天時間不多我還是要問一下現在最後兩分鐘我還是要問一下虛擬平台我們現在詐騙的問題詐騙的議題其實剛剛前面賴委員也有問到其實它最大的問題就是無內在的價值波動很高還有平台有它的風險在\n無論是剛才我們有提到就是說VASP的業者我們現在要讓他成立一個平台但是包括ACE的交易在110年就有一個個案他的詐騙金額高達8億上週開庭的時候在押主席人還非常囂張的比業那個動作\n就是說主委我們覺得詐騙的問題我們要控管平台但是它也要成立一個工會我們未來你看它都已經這麼囂張已經在押開庭還這麼囂張未來我們的角色怎麼樣去做監管就是說管控或管理\n謝謝委員這確實是我們很大的挑戰不過他個人行為我們不以置評但是對於未來個人必傷剛剛不管是我們的報告還有法務部的報告都有特別講我們就是為了針對這件事情社會的期待我們在《洗錢防制法》裡面也參考國際的趨勢那未來平台成立之後我們有什麼樣更好的管理方式嗎\n現在的話我們馬上假設經過大院通過我們《洗錢防制法》的話我們就可以對這些個人弊傷可以刑責這樣根據我們的預估應該會產生很大的嚇阻作用會回歸到一些正軌去就是說你必須要是來做洗房登記那洗房登記的標準就必須要完成我們滿足我們《洗錢防制法》的要求\n那這樣我們在到處看得到的這些所謂的個人幣商應該就會受到一些的控制以上好 各位那個剛才賴會員委員也提到說用人的部分因為我有看到你們在爭財有關於我們的虛擬的資產兼領元我們首度計算6.8萬元以上的月薪我們也在找人\n這些人找到了沒?因為我們要設立專法這些人6.8萬人算高嗎?找這樣的專業算高嗎?人找到了嗎?我們很努力很努力地找我們要第一階段三個找到兩個找到兩個三個夠不夠?當然不夠當然不夠還要再繼續找因為我們有分階段的給我們人力但是今年的三個我們大概就是再努力再找詐騙虛擬平台的管理是\n很重要的業務所以我們才設打詐專法我希望在這一塊你有更具體的做法最後要問星光人壽因為你雖然上任不到一個月但是你對於壽險公司的業務你相對是非常熟悉的相對於剛才\n賴氏寶委員問的其他的問題就是說對於不管是新售它是家族的問題還是金金未來併購的問題合併的問題我還是要請教就是說5月16跟5月24我們分別收到三商售跟新售提交的整體的體質改善計畫那現在已經到6月中了那我們現在對於金管會對於這兩家的改善計畫評估好不好能不能接受還是持續的改善呢對他最近送進來兩份報告滿不滿意\n呃...我們...行手跟三...可不可以因為現在是保安局正在審查中我們可以請保安局局長跟您回覆,謝謝局長請檢答\n法務委員他們的報告我們目前審查之後有跟公司約時間再做一些溝通那溝通完畢有沒有達到及格還是說還是不及格成績還是那個方向到底是什麼有一些他們有提出一些具體的政治計畫那我們有在評估說到底他的可行性還有他的時程請他們再更具體一點如果沒問題的話我們就會核定給他\n那我這樣聽起來好像是你目前看來是滿意的再補充一些資料就可以了有一些方向上他們確實有提出來但是具體時程是不是能夠達到一定的標準這個部分我們還在溝通你還需要多少時間我們才會知道結果因為我們已經有跟他們約時間談了啦所以應該我上次就沒關係你跟他說當時我才可以再問一次\n應該這個月就應該要完成溝通六月底就要完成溝通好因為這兩天新秀的新聞星光相關的新聞非常多我在最後30秒他現在新秀已經在星光金控已經在做信心增資包括公司債的部分這兩天的新聞在市場上會不會受到衝擊然後我們如果受到衝擊我們金管會的立場跟做法到底是什麼\n就以法律面來看這兩個是獨立的事件但是我覺得可能有些心理你覺得會不會受到市場會不會受到衝擊我覺得心理面會受到事件影響不過我們評估過在法律上兩個是獨立的事件對不起你剛說法律面怎麼樣是獨立的事件\n是圖利的事件是兩個獨立的事件是兩個獨立的事件所以你覺得短期會受到衝擊不會有影響這個是我們講心裡面的部分我們沒辦法預期但是我剛才講說就法律面我們一個是他的增資計畫一個是大股東的行為這兩個是分開的好的謝謝主委的回應謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.049 --> 00:00.350\n有請彭主委\n\n00:06.383 --> 00:30.012\n委員好主委好主委辛苦了剛上任一個月主委因為我今天問題比較多我就直接進入我的正題主委我要先問一下房價高漲的問題您就直接看我的圖表很快就可以了解無論是從我們四大房價的指數從政大永慶、信義、清華安富包括內政部的住格房價\n\n00:31.172 --> 00:55.446\n我們都可以看到這個房價從這四大家分析的房價指數都可以看到房價又創了歷史的新高那目前我們央行分析房價高漲主要有幾個原因是臺灣出口的這個數字明顯回升那第二個就是股市兩萬多點經濟到最好的時刻所以大家都\n\n00:56.606 --> 01:18.700\n口袋裏面錢還不少造成房價的新高第三個原因是財政部的新清安政策催出自住的需求那前兩個是經濟好、景氣好大家口袋有錢房價上升是合理的那第三個就是新清安的政策那媒體有針對於新清安房貸\n\n01:19.580 --> 01:35.075\n有四個後遺症我要跟主委分享就是說因為它的四項政策內容主委你應該熟悉嘛新清安政策我如果20歲我買房我到我用新清安政策的話我到60歲才需要緩緩\n\n01:36.056 --> 01:37.276\n那我也關注到\n\n01:57.681 --> 02:21.973\n新清安政策第一季從20到35歲房貸族的年增率增加了48件我從去年2023年第4季因為新清安政策是從去年開始第4季總共有5.4萬件房貸那在新清安政策裡面就佔了1.8萬件佔了三分之一那今年的第一季總共有5.8萬件那總共\n\n02:25.795 --> 02:49.155\n總共房貸的年增率增加39%所以從這些數據上可以看到新青安的助攻之下就是說年輕人買房的確非常踴躍就從我們的數據上可以顯示主委你同意我剛才講的這四大後遺症是新青安政策造成的嗎\n\n02:50.976 --> 03:14.228\n這個我覺得今晚會所主政的範圍可能也不在這裡不過我覺得很多媒體或是在外部的在討論的問題不過確實大家對高房價是有很大的感覺那剛剛講新清安也是政府照顧年輕人的一個做法是我同意對因為很多人是爸爸媽媽幫忙買是的對我同意所以\n\n03:17.216 --> 03:37.811\n但是主委我還是要問因為明天就是6月13號央行明天就要開理監事會那我也看到媒體報導就是說預期會有第六波的打防那跨部會無論是選擇性央行會用選擇性的信用的管制也好或者是我看到媒體所下的標\n\n03:38.892 --> 03:57.550\n會用跨部會的來打防特別是內政部也提到說如果有第6波升息的話那後面可能就不再做利率的補貼所以這個整個我從媒體上看到的還有跨部會後續的動作我們現在是又要進行下一波的打防了嗎\n\n03:59.730 --> 04:15.168\n這個有關這個房價政策不是金管會的主政金管會在意的是我們現在這些銀行們他們在放貸這些不動產相關事業的風險有沒有過高那我們是在根據銀行法72之2條裡面的規範來進行管理\n\n04:17.270 --> 04:38.161\n主委我同意你的說法就是說股市好經濟好房價可能自然就高當然我覺得合理的房價當然也很重要房價高但是我覺得合理的房價當然也很重要但是政府更應該注意的是我們整個房地產的狀況到底是不是它的體質是不是屬於一個健康的狀況\n\n04:40.302 --> 05:06.170\n我們現在無論是房價高漲也讓住宅建築放款預比達到14兆我昨天就看到我們無論是本國的住宅貸款建築貸款其實都在0.06%到0.03%其實如果按照我們整體的預放比的話只有0.17%其實好像也不是算太高所以我最近看到你們新聞稿也一直在提到說我們現在\n\n05:08.531 --> 05:29.583\n購屋的貸款餘額已經突破10兆元的大關我們目前無論是建築、購屋跟房屋的修繕餘額在我們整體銀行的整體的放款達到37.21%所以我想請問一下部長、主委我們整體銀行局在開記者會提到35%\n\n05:34.265 --> 05:35.586\n三十五%是否比較合理的數字?預放款的整體比例?\n\n05:49.730 --> 06:17.988\n你解答就好了是不是要用35%它是不是37.21%是不是太高報告委員這個37.21%我覺得可能是統計的基礎上的差異那你們是用35來做基準是不是我們目前查到就是那什麼是一個合理的數字因為35是目前的數字可是我們今天來看的話最近這一年其實是112年12月底也是去年年底的時候\n\n06:18.368 --> 06:44.842\n他的比率是高於35點多其實這個我們只是在顯示說集中度的問題那我必須要跟為什麼是35做基準點為什麼不是36為什麼不是33為什麼不是30這個不是基準點這個基本上只是在顯示說他的比率是這樣那我剛剛說的超過35也是去年12月底的數字所以你們是希望他接近35\n\n06:46.687 --> 07:06.852\n我想局長意思就是說他看過去一整年大概都維持在35%左右雖然有略高一點比如最高點不過35.38%最近都是一直都維持在35%他只是描述現況好主委那所以行政院並沒有對於第六波打防整體跨部會是一個共識對不對\n\n07:08.581 --> 07:16.309\n我們現在就是我們還是雖然你不主導但是你也是其中的角色之一我們現在還是做我們金管會該做的事現在\n\n07:17.675 --> 07:24.817\n主委我不為難您主委因為我今天時間不多我還是要問一下現在最後兩分鐘我還是要問一下虛擬平台我們現在詐騙的問題詐騙的議題其實剛剛前面賴委員也有問到其實它最大的問題就是無內在的價值波動很高還有平台有它的風險在\n\n07:39.683 --> 07:58.098\n無論是剛才我們有提到就是說VASP的業者我們現在要讓他成立一個平台但是包括ACE的交易在110年就有一個個案他的詐騙金額高達8億上週開庭的時候在押主席人還非常囂張的比業那個動作\n\n08:00.780 --> 08:18.580\n就是說主委我們覺得詐騙的問題我們要控管平台但是它也要成立一個工會我們未來你看它都已經這麼囂張已經在押開庭還這麼囂張未來我們的角色怎麼樣去做監管就是說管控或管理\n\n08:19.421 --> 08:38.884\n謝謝委員這確實是我們很大的挑戰不過他個人行為我們不以置評但是對於未來個人必傷剛剛不管是我們的報告還有法務部的報告都有特別講我們就是為了針對這件事情社會的期待我們在《洗錢防制法》裡面也參考國際的趨勢那未來平台成立之後我們有什麼樣更好的管理方式嗎\n\n08:39.284 --> 09:00.506\n現在的話我們馬上假設經過大院通過我們《洗錢防制法》的話我們就可以對這些個人弊傷可以刑責這樣根據我們的預估應該會產生很大的嚇阻作用會回歸到一些正軌去就是說你必須要是來做洗房登記那洗房登記的標準就必須要完成我們滿足我們《洗錢防制法》的要求\n\n09:01.167 --> 09:17.957\n那這樣我們在到處看得到的這些所謂的個人幣商應該就會受到一些的控制以上好各位那個剛才賴會員委員也提到說用人的部分因為我有看到你們在爭財有關於我們的虛擬的資產兼領元我們首度計算6.8萬元以上的月薪我們也在找人\n\n09:25.241 --> 09:50.955\n這些人找到了沒?因為我們要設立專法這些人6.8萬人算高嗎?找這樣的專業算高嗎?人找到了嗎?我們很努力很努力地找我們要第一階段三個找到兩個找到兩個三個夠不夠?當然不夠當然不夠還要再繼續找因為我們有分階段的給我們人力但是今年的三個我們大概就是再努力再找詐騙虛擬平台的管理是\n\n09:54.617 --> 10:09.168\n很重要的業務所以我們才設打詐專法我希望在這一塊你有更具體的做法最後要問星光人壽因為你雖然上任不到一個月但是你對於壽險公司的業務你相對是非常熟悉的相對於剛才\n\n10:10.569 --> 10:38.074\n賴氏寶委員問的其他的問題就是說對於不管是新售它是家族的問題還是金金未來併購的問題合併的問題我還是要請教就是說5月16跟5月24我們分別收到三商售跟新售提交的整體的體質改善計畫那現在已經到6月中了那我們現在對於金管會對於這兩家的改善計畫評估好不好能不能接受還是持續的改善呢對他最近送進來兩份報告滿不滿意\n\n10:40.046 --> 10:48.216\n呃...我們...行手跟三...可不可以因為現在是保安局正在審查中我們可以請保安局局長跟您回覆,謝謝局長請檢答\n\n10:51.360 --> 11:13.334\n法務委員他們的報告我們目前審查之後有跟公司約時間再做一些溝通那溝通完畢有沒有達到及格還是說還是不及格成績還是那個方向到底是什麼有一些他們有提出一些具體的政治計畫那我們有在評估說到底他的可行性還有他的時程請他們再更具體一點如果沒問題的話我們就會核定給他\n\n11:19.318 --> 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