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00:02:18,580\n校園霸凌跟學生自殺的議題是教育委員會的委員們長期非常關心的議題針對如何的有效防制校園霸凌已經從三個屆起校園委員會也一直安排很多次的專報那潘部長在卸任前最後一次的質詢也提到說他擔任七年多的教育部長以來最大的遺憾是關於校園霸凌的議題跟學生自殺的議題沒有達成目標也呼籲各界要持續的來共同的關心\n\n8\n00:02:41,716 --> 00:02:53,611\n那部長這邊請教您喔您跟潘部長交接的時候有沒有對於這個校園霸凌跟學生自殺議題政策如何延續有沒有特別的來討論或是潘部長這邊有沒有提供他的一些建議呢?\n\n9\n00:02:55,669 --> 00:03:18,196\n跟委員報告我跟潘部長有非常深厚的情誼雖然我們在因為我當時決定要上來之前事實上還是中山大學的校長所以許多校務的這一些階段性的一個結束確實也讓我壓縮了跟潘部長更多的情誼但是我們事實上是有熱線的我隨時是可以跟他情誼的\n\n10\n00:03:19,136 --> 00:03:22,499\n其實您剛才回答也透出訊息說其實您在學校的實務端在實務面應該會有蠻多的經驗針對霸凌案件其實根據教育部給本席的資料112年的霸凌通報件數高達3257件平均一個月就有271件\n\n11\n00:03:38,132 --> 00:03:45,598\n相較於111年的1942件等於說幾乎是翻倍當然這個數據可以解讀為就是說我們現在反霸凌的意識比較提高所以我們的孩子呢會學會保護自己但是相對的這個確認的件數增加也表示說現在霸凌的事件真的也是增加這個讓大家都覺得非常的擔憂那我們在於校園的這個霸凌防制到底有哪個環節可以再做得更好\n\n12\n00:04:07,955 --> 00:04:16,141\n我們要教育孩子不要被霸凌但是我們也更要教育孩子不要去霸凌別人我們在教育這一端我們還能多做什麼部長您認為我想我謝謝委員的指正事實上我想我們在中小學裡面這個輔導活動的一個相關的課程我們怎麼樣來落實我一直認為人我之間人際的相處怎麼樣讓我們青少年我們學生有更多的同理心透過角色\n\n13\n00:04:37,535 --> 00:04:38,355\n我相信那一個校園霸凌裡面他是可以減少的\n\n14\n00:04:59,349 --> 00:04:59,689\n謝謝部長：林淑優\n\n15\n00:05:17,668 --> 00:05:19,590\n每個孩子都有不同的人格特質跟個性當一些比較內向的孩子遇到霸凌事件很容易發生遺憾的事情\n\n16\n00:05:45,831 --> 00:05:45,851\n陳秀寳議員\n\n17\n00:06:15,811 --> 00:06:18,153\n總通報件數高達11663件平均一天就有超過31件等於每個小時都有自殺案件的通報這是非常非常嚴重的問題\n\n18\n00:06:36,086 --> 00:06:49,076\n提到剛才教材的部分教育部的1953教育部防制校園霸凌專區本期發現裡面提供的教材教案已經很久沒有更新最近的更新是在4月18但是點進去連結的內容是連結到2019年的舊內容\n\n19\n00:06:54,480 --> 00:07:21,711\n那上一次的更新是在2023年的2月更新的但是部長你可以看到這個教學指引以及教學媒體下載只有一千多次使用的次數非常少那根據2023年台灣兒少為歧視現況調查報告指出有近兩成的兒少表示學校沒有做任何反歧視反霸凌的教育那甚至有只有四成的兒少認為這些教育內容對於現實狀況有幫助\n\n20\n00:07:23,792 --> 00:07:46,231\n意思就是說教育部推動了這些反霸凌教育的相關內容其實是沒有貼近現實狀況也無法讓我們的孩子在面對有歧視或是有霸凌這個狀況的時候能夠充分的面對部長我們教育部也在今年4月中有修正了校園霸凌防制準則相關的反霸凌教材教案一定也是會做更新那請問預計什麼時候做更新\n\n21\n00:07:50,512 --> 00:08:06,936\n我想我們會加速的來做因為確實因為社會的快速變遷許多這個霸凌的樣態包含網路的霸凌我想許多的教材我們確實也應該要快速的與時俱進對與時俱進針對我們兒童來我們的孩子反映說反霸凌教育沒有落實以及內容不符合現實的這個問題教育部你們現在規劃如何改善\n\n22\n00:08:18,422 --> 00:08:19,783\n所以部長您理解我在這邊向您反映這個問題嗎就是我們的教材不管是說老師他們採用這個教案教材的這個並不踴躍\n\n23\n00:08:43,957 --> 00:09:11,152\n還有說孩子們他們反映到說他們學校可能沒有做這些反霸凌教育或者說他們覺得這些內容對他們來講不符合現況用不到所以我想滾動式的一個檢討跟修正是必要的那謝謝部長您也重視這個問題教育部應該要善盡職責落實反霸凌教育而且應該儘速的來演繹相關的規劃那接下來這邊部長您留步我想請法務部檢察司的郭司長\n\n24\n00:09:18,101 --> 00:09:23,264\n市長好根據教育部的統計112年的數據裡面持有販售與吸食的藥品的件數總件數是483件平均一個月是有40件那從113年的1月到4月這樣子平均下來一個月也高達37件那這個部分呢市長你有什麼看法\n\n25\n00:09:39,615 --> 00:09:56,249\n關於學生是不是有濫用毒品的問題我曾經擔任過雲林新竹與台中地檢署檢察長其實我們每季都有一個棄毒小組會議\n\n26\n00:09:57,630 --> 00:10:24,313\n這個企圖小組會的組成包括有學校的這個學校教育局的人員以及這個我們少年隊那我們都會交代拜託我們少年隊能夠真的跟學校能夠有所溝通對防制這個毒品入侵多所努力因為我們跟學校之間的溝通學校比較忌諱我們這個執法人員進入他們校園那這部分就是我們\n\n27\n00:10:24,913 --> 00:10:26,475\n所以這邊在防制我們的孩子不管是被這樣毒品吸引還是說防制這個部分我們主力還是放在校園\n\n28\n00:10:40,174 --> 00:11:00,359\n目前學生濫用藥物的大宗應該是大嘛那新興的毒品也很盛行彩虹菸等等這種複合式的毒品是防不勝防但是目前的這個情況看起來我們的教育體系對這個變化萬千的藥物看起來真的可以說是無能為力那部長請問您覺得說現在的措施我們還可以如何優化我想\n\n29\n00:11:07,508 --> 00:11:21,898\n謝謝委員的關心我其實一直認為我們怎麼樣去把一些發展性的從學校的課程包括班級我們的一個會議班會裡邊有很多的融入課程的老師多一些\n\n30\n00:11:22,999 --> 00:11:47,650\n在教材裡面能夠把這些防制校園霸凌包括民主的基本的公民的素養人權的關係人我的身體的自主性能夠適時的融入到學科的教材或者在許多的活動裡面我覺得他是會有價值的當我們這個真正的更落實的時候我相信那個霸凌他是會被降低的\n\n31\n00:11:47,850 --> 00:11:48,491\n請問這個網站的主管機關是法務還是教育?\n\n32\n00:12:04,126 --> 00:12:31,579\n法務部長鄭文報告這是我們法務部保護師所做的是你們的我們目前其實我知道說不管是法務部還是教育部都說我們有在推反毒教育也有做海報但是其實部長跟市長您看一下這個反毒大本營的網站上面有提供的毒品防制影片觀看次數是多少五個月以來是600多人次600多人次不是600多人次是600多人次部長跟市長你覺得這樣是有成效的嗎\n\n33\n00:12:32,139 --> 00:12:51,920\n我相信說法務部跟教育部製作這樣子的反毒宣導是要讓孩子們向孩子們宣導反毒的觀念但是如果你們製作出來的影片是沒有人觀看其實也是浪費了這些資源所以說本席在這邊要建議教育部及法務部你們要掌握孩子們觀看影片的習慣\n\n34\n00:12:52,861 --> 00:13:04,857\n用他們感興趣願意去看的方式來製作反毒的內容甚至也可以跟文化部這邊的跨部會來合作我們用製作短影片的方式而且比較有趣比較生動的找孩子們他們熟悉的這些人物來做這樣的宣導\n\n35\n00:13:10,584 --> 00:13:27,070\n希望說我們既然要做這樣子的反毒影片來提供給孩子讓他們從裡面去學到如何保護自己但是如果他是一個他們不會去看的不願意去看的這樣的影片那其實做了也是等於白做所以這邊我請教育部跟法務部這邊那針對這個反毒宣導的這個內容進行檢討那一個月之內提供這個檢討報告給本席好謝謝謝謝部長市長謝謝主席\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n49\t1690\t科技始終來自於人心\n26920\t39896\t所以沒有人文的素養沒有哲學的一個思考我覺得這對科技的文明有時候對人類的這個不一定會提供\n43018\t53911\t我一直認為人文社會的人才包括基本的人文素養他是非常重要的他是用來支撐科技是否能夠對人類的發展能夠有所貢獻的一個關鍵\n58929\t82123\t謝謝部長也正是因為有這樣子的一個擔憂所以今天在這邊特別要請教您AI大廠來期其實除了像AI教父黃仁勳來台引起這些轟動之外我們對於未來科技的想像發展以及潛力等等我們都其實都專注在所謂AI的領域那可以想像說學生們對於整個AI科技領域的學科一定是會覺得比較有興趣的\n84164\t103653\t那建中跟北印尼的人社班確定在今年退場 這讓我感到非常的擔憂就像部長您剛剛回答的科技來自於人性 AI 的規範發展還是要回應社會的需求溫柔的回應社會本席並不是在今天一定要強制說教育部或是各高中要強制發展或者說把人社班開回來但是人文社會的重要性並不能在這個科技的浪潮之下被淹沒\n111857\t112177\t接下來進入今天的專題\n131335\t138580\t校園霸凌跟學生自殺的議題是教育委員會的委員們長期非常關心的議題針對如何的有效防制校園霸凌已經從三個屆起校園委員會也一直安排很多次的專報那潘部長在卸任前最後一次的質詢也提到說他擔任七年多的教育部長以來最大的遺憾是關於校園霸凌的議題跟學生自殺的議題沒有達成目標也呼籲各界要持續的來共同的關心\n161716\t173611\t那部長這邊請教您喔您跟潘部長交接的時候有沒有對於這個校園霸凌跟學生自殺議題政策如何延續有沒有特別的來討論或是潘部長這邊有沒有提供他的一些建議呢?\n175669\t198196\t跟委員報告我跟潘部長有非常深厚的情誼雖然我們在因為我當時決定要上來之前事實上還是中山大學的校長所以許多校務的這一些階段性的一個結束確實也讓我壓縮了跟潘部長更多的情誼但是我們事實上是有熱線的我隨時是可以跟他情誼的\n199136\t202499\t其實您剛才回答也透出訊息說其實您在學校的實務端在實務面應該會有蠻多的經驗針對霸凌案件其實根據教育部給本席的資料 112年的霸凌通報件數高達3257件平均一個月就有271件\n218132\t225598\t相較於111年的1942件等於說幾乎是翻倍當然這個數據可以解讀為就是說我們現在反霸凌的意識比較提高所以我們的孩子呢會學會保護自己但是相對的這個確認的件數增加也表示說現在霸凌的事件真的也是增加這個讓大家都覺得非常的擔憂那我們在於校園的這個霸凌防制到底有哪個環節可以再做得更好\n247955\t256141\t我們要教育孩子不要被霸凌但是我們也更要教育孩子不要去霸凌別人我們在教育這一端我們還能多做什麼部長您認為我想我謝謝委員的指正事實上我想我們在中小學裡面這個輔導活動的一個相關的課程我們怎麼樣來落實我一直認為人我之間人際的相處怎麼樣讓我們青少年我們學生有更多的同理心透過角色\n277535\t278355\t我相信那一個校園霸凌裡面他是可以減少的\n299349\t299689\t謝謝部長：林淑優\n317668\t319590\t每個孩子都有不同的人格特質跟個性當一些比較內向的孩子遇到霸凌事件很容易發生遺憾的事情\n345831\t345851\t陳秀寳議員\n375811\t378153\t總通報件數高達11663件平均一天就有超過31件等於每個小時都有自殺案件的通報這是非常非常嚴重的問題\n396086\t409076\t提到剛才教材的部分教育部的1953教育部防制校園霸凌專區本期發現裡面提供的教材教案已經很久沒有更新最近的更新是在4月18但是點進去連結的內容是連結到2019年的舊內容\n414480\t441711\t那上一次的更新是在2023年的2月更新的但是部長你可以看到這個教學指引以及教學媒體下載只有一千多次使用的次數非常少那根據2023年台灣兒少為歧視現況調查報告指出有近兩成的兒少表示學校沒有做任何反歧視反霸凌的教育那甚至有只有四成的兒少認為這些教育內容對於現實狀況有幫助\n443792\t466231\t意思就是說教育部推動了這些反霸凌教育的相關內容其實是沒有貼近現實狀況也無法讓我們的孩子在面對有歧視或是有霸凌這個狀況的時候能夠充分的面對部長我們教育部也在今年4月中有修正了校園霸凌防制準則相關的反霸凌教材教案一定也是會做更新那請問預計什麼時候做更新\n470512\t486936\t我想我們會加速的來做因為確實因為社會的快速變遷許多這個霸凌的樣態包含網路的霸凌我想許多的教材我們確實也應該要快速的與時俱進對與時俱進針對我們兒童來我們的孩子反映說反霸凌教育沒有落實以及內容不符合現實的這個問題教育部你們現在規劃如何改善\n498422\t499783\t所以部長您理解我在這邊向您反映這個問題嗎就是我們的教材不管是說老師他們採用這個教案教材的這個並不踴躍\n523957\t551152\t還有說孩子們他們反映到說他們學校可能沒有做這些反霸凌教育或者說他們覺得這些內容對他們來講不符合現況用不到所以我想滾動式的一個檢討跟修正是必要的那謝謝部長您也重視這個問題教育部應該要善盡職責落實反霸凌教育而且應該儘速的來演繹相關的規劃那接下來這邊部長您留步我想請法務部檢察司的郭司長\n558101\t563264\t市長好根據教育部的統計112年的數據裡面持有販售與吸食的藥品的件數總件數是483件平均一個月是有40件那從113年的1月到4月這樣子平均下來一個月也高達37件那這個部分呢市長你有什麼看法\n579615\t596249\t關於學生是不是有濫用毒品的問題我曾經擔任過雲林新竹與台中地檢署檢察長其實我們每季都有一個棄毒小組會議\n597630\t624313\t這個企圖小組會的組成包括有學校的這個學校教育局的人員以及這個我們少年隊那我們都會交代拜託我們少年隊能夠真的跟學校能夠有所溝通對防制這個毒品入侵多所努力因為我們跟學校之間的溝通學校比較忌諱我們這個執法人員進入他們校園那這部分就是我們\n624913\t626475\t所以這邊在防制我們的孩子不管是被這樣毒品吸引還是說防制這個部分我們主力還是放在校園\n640174\t660359\t目前學生濫用藥物的大宗應該是大嘛那新興的毒品也很盛行彩虹菸等等這種複合式的毒品是防不勝防但是目前的這個情況看起來我們的教育體系對這個變化萬千的藥物看起來真的可以說是無能為力那部長請問您覺得說現在的措施我們還可以如何優化我想\n667508\t681898\t謝謝委員的關心我其實一直認為我們怎麼樣去把一些發展性的從學校的課程包括班級我們的一個會議班會裡邊有很多的融入課程的老師多一些\n682999\t707650\t在教材裡面能夠把這些防制校園霸凌包括民主的基本的公民的素養人權的關係人我的身體的自主性能夠適時的融入到學科的教材或者在許多的活動裡面我覺得他是會有價值的當我們這個真正的更落實的時候我相信那個霸凌他是會被降低的\n707850\t708491\t請問這個網站的主管機關是法務還是教育?\n724126\t751579\t法務部長鄭文報告這是我們法務部保護師所做的是你們的我們目前其實我知道說不管是法務部還是教育部都說我們有在推反毒教育也有做海報但是其實部長跟市長您看一下這個反毒大本營的網站上面有提供的毒品防制影片觀看次數是多少五個月以來是600多人次600多人次不是600多人次是600多人次部長跟市長你覺得這樣是有成效的嗎\n752139\t771920\t我相信說法務部跟教育部製作這樣子的反毒宣導是要讓孩子們向孩子們宣導反毒的觀念但是如果你們製作出來的影片是沒有人觀看其實也是浪費了這些資源所以說本席在這邊要建議教育部及法務部你們要掌握孩子們觀看影片的習慣\n772861\t784857\t用他們感興趣願意去看的方式來製作反毒的內容甚至也可以跟文化部這邊的跨部會來合作我們用製作短影片的方式而且比較有趣比較生動的找孩子們他們熟悉的這些人物來做這樣的宣導\n790584\t807070\t希望說我們既然要做這樣子的反毒影片來提供給孩子讓他們從裡面去學到如何保護自己但是如果他是一個他們不會去看的不願意去看的這樣的影片那其實做了也是等於白做所以這邊我請教育部跟法務部這邊那針對這個反毒宣導的這個內容進行檢討那一個月之內提供這個檢討報告給本席好謝謝謝謝部長市長謝謝主席\n","txt":"科技始終來自於人心\n所以沒有人文的素養沒有哲學的一個思考我覺得這對科技的文明有時候對人類的這個不一定會提供\n我一直認為人文社會的人才包括基本的人文素養他是非常重要的他是用來支撐科技是否能夠對人類的發展能夠有所貢獻的一個關鍵\n謝謝部長也正是因為有這樣子的一個擔憂所以今天在這邊特別要請教您AI大廠來期其實除了像AI教父黃仁勳來台引起這些轟動之外我們對於未來科技的想像發展以及潛力等等我們都其實都專注在所謂AI的領域那可以想像說學生們對於整個AI科技領域的學科一定是會覺得比較有興趣的\n那建中跟北印尼的人社班確定在今年退場 這讓我感到非常的擔憂就像部長您剛剛回答的科技來自於人性 AI 的規範發展還是要回應社會的需求溫柔的回應社會本席並不是在今天一定要強制說教育部或是各高中要強制發展或者說把人社班開回來但是人文社會的重要性並不能在這個科技的浪潮之下被淹沒\n接下來進入今天的專題\n校園霸凌跟學生自殺的議題是教育委員會的委員們長期非常關心的議題針對如何的有效防制校園霸凌已經從三個屆起校園委員會也一直安排很多次的專報那潘部長在卸任前最後一次的質詢也提到說他擔任七年多的教育部長以來最大的遺憾是關於校園霸凌的議題跟學生自殺的議題沒有達成目標也呼籲各界要持續的來共同的關心\n那部長這邊請教您喔您跟潘部長交接的時候有沒有對於這個校園霸凌跟學生自殺議題政策如何延續有沒有特別的來討論或是潘部長這邊有沒有提供他的一些建議呢?\n跟委員報告我跟潘部長有非常深厚的情誼雖然我們在因為我當時決定要上來之前事實上還是中山大學的校長所以許多校務的這一些階段性的一個結束確實也讓我壓縮了跟潘部長更多的情誼但是我們事實上是有熱線的我隨時是可以跟他情誼的\n其實您剛才回答也透出訊息說其實您在學校的實務端在實務面應該會有蠻多的經驗針對霸凌案件其實根據教育部給本席的資料 112年的霸凌通報件數高達3257件平均一個月就有271件\n相較於111年的1942件等於說幾乎是翻倍當然這個數據可以解讀為就是說我們現在反霸凌的意識比較提高所以我們的孩子呢會學會保護自己但是相對的這個確認的件數增加也表示說現在霸凌的事件真的也是增加這個讓大家都覺得非常的擔憂那我們在於校園的這個霸凌防制到底有哪個環節可以再做得更好\n我們要教育孩子不要被霸凌但是我們也更要教育孩子不要去霸凌別人我們在教育這一端我們還能多做什麼部長您認為我想我謝謝委員的指正事實上我想我們在中小學裡面這個輔導活動的一個相關的課程我們怎麼樣來落實我一直認為人我之間人際的相處怎麼樣讓我們青少年我們學生有更多的同理心透過角色\n我相信那一個校園霸凌裡面他是可以減少的\n謝謝部長：林淑優\n每個孩子都有不同的人格特質跟個性當一些比較內向的孩子遇到霸凌事件很容易發生遺憾的事情\n陳秀寳議員\n總通報件數高達11663件平均一天就有超過31件等於每個小時都有自殺案件的通報這是非常非常嚴重的問題\n提到剛才教材的部分教育部的1953教育部防制校園霸凌專區本期發現裡面提供的教材教案已經很久沒有更新最近的更新是在4月18但是點進去連結的內容是連結到2019年的舊內容\n那上一次的更新是在2023年的2月更新的但是部長你可以看到這個教學指引以及教學媒體下載只有一千多次使用的次數非常少那根據2023年台灣兒少為歧視現況調查報告指出有近兩成的兒少表示學校沒有做任何反歧視反霸凌的教育那甚至有只有四成的兒少認為這些教育內容對於現實狀況有幫助\n意思就是說教育部推動了這些反霸凌教育的相關內容其實是沒有貼近現實狀況也無法讓我們的孩子在面對有歧視或是有霸凌這個狀況的時候能夠充分的面對部長我們教育部也在今年4月中有修正了校園霸凌防制準則相關的反霸凌教材教案一定也是會做更新那請問預計什麼時候做更新\n我想我們會加速的來做因為確實因為社會的快速變遷許多這個霸凌的樣態包含網路的霸凌我想許多的教材我們確實也應該要快速的與時俱進對與時俱進針對我們兒童來我們的孩子反映說反霸凌教育沒有落實以及內容不符合現實的這個問題教育部你們現在規劃如何改善\n所以部長您理解我在這邊向您反映這個問題嗎就是我們的教材不管是說老師他們採用這個教案教材的這個並不踴躍\n還有說孩子們他們反映到說他們學校可能沒有做這些反霸凌教育或者說他們覺得這些內容對他們來講不符合現況用不到所以我想滾動式的一個檢討跟修正是必要的那謝謝部長您也重視這個問題教育部應該要善盡職責落實反霸凌教育而且應該儘速的來演繹相關的規劃那接下來這邊部長您留步我想請法務部檢察司的郭司長\n市長好根據教育部的統計112年的數據裡面持有販售與吸食的藥品的件數總件數是483件平均一個月是有40件那從113年的1月到4月這樣子平均下來一個月也高達37件那這個部分呢市長你有什麼看法\n關於學生是不是有濫用毒品的問題我曾經擔任過雲林新竹與台中地檢署檢察長其實我們每季都有一個棄毒小組會議\n這個企圖小組會的組成包括有學校的這個學校教育局的人員以及這個我們少年隊那我們都會交代拜託我們少年隊能夠真的跟學校能夠有所溝通對防制這個毒品入侵多所努力因為我們跟學校之間的溝通學校比較忌諱我們這個執法人員進入他們校園那這部分就是我們\n所以這邊在防制我們的孩子不管是被這樣毒品吸引還是說防制這個部分我們主力還是放在校園\n目前學生濫用藥物的大宗應該是大嘛那新興的毒品也很盛行彩虹菸等等這種複合式的毒品是防不勝防但是目前的這個情況看起來我們的教育體系對這個變化萬千的藥物看起來真的可以說是無能為力那部長請問您覺得說現在的措施我們還可以如何優化我想\n謝謝委員的關心我其實一直認為我們怎麼樣去把一些發展性的從學校的課程包括班級我們的一個會議班會裡邊有很多的融入課程的老師多一些\n在教材裡面能夠把這些防制校園霸凌包括民主的基本的公民的素養人權的關係人我的身體的自主性能夠適時的融入到學科的教材或者在許多的活動裡面我覺得他是會有價值的當我們這個真正的更落實的時候我相信那個霸凌他是會被降低的\n請問這個網站的主管機關是法務還是教育?\n法務部長鄭文報告這是我們法務部保護師所做的是你們的我們目前其實我知道說不管是法務部還是教育部都說我們有在推反毒教育也有做海報但是其實部長跟市長您看一下這個反毒大本營的網站上面有提供的毒品防制影片觀看次數是多少五個月以來是600多人次600多人次不是600多人次是600多人次部長跟市長你覺得這樣是有成效的嗎\n我相信說法務部跟教育部製作這樣子的反毒宣導是要讓孩子們向孩子們宣導反毒的觀念但是如果你們製作出來的影片是沒有人觀看其實也是浪費了這些資源所以說本席在這邊要建議教育部及法務部你們要掌握孩子們觀看影片的習慣\n用他們感興趣願意去看的方式來製作反毒的內容甚至也可以跟文化部這邊的跨部會來合作我們用製作短影片的方式而且比較有趣比較生動的找孩子們他們熟悉的這些人物來做這樣的宣導\n希望說我們既然要做這樣子的反毒影片來提供給孩子讓他們從裡面去學到如何保護自己但是如果他是一個他們不會去看的不願意去看的這樣的影片那其實做了也是等於白做所以這邊我請教育部跟法務部這邊那針對這個反毒宣導的這個內容進行檢討那一個月之內提供這個檢討報告給本席好謝謝謝謝部長市長謝謝主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.049 --> 00:01.690\n科技始終來自於人心\n\n00:26.920 --> 00:39.896\n所以沒有人文的素養沒有哲學的一個思考我覺得這對科技的文明有時候對人類的這個不一定會提供\n\n00:43.018 --> 00:53.911\n我一直認為人文社會的人才包括基本的人文素養他是非常重要的他是用來支撐科技是否能夠對人類的發展能夠有所貢獻的一個關鍵\n\n00:58.929 --> 01:22.123\n謝謝部長也正是因為有這樣子的一個擔憂所以今天在這邊特別要請教您AI大廠來期其實除了像AI教父黃仁勳來台引起這些轟動之外我們對於未來科技的想像發展以及潛力等等我們都其實都專注在所謂AI的領域那可以想像說學生們對於整個AI科技領域的學科一定是會覺得比較有興趣的\n\n01:24.164 --> 01:43.653\n那建中跟北印尼的人社班確定在今年退場這讓我感到非常的擔憂就像部長您剛剛回答的科技來自於人性AI的規範發展還是要回應社會的需求溫柔的回應社會本席並不是在今天一定要強制說教育部或是各高中要強制發展或者說把人社班開回來但是人文社會的重要性並不能在這個科技的浪潮之下被淹沒\n\n01:51.857 --> 01:52.177\n接下來進入今天的專題\n\n02:11.335 --> 02:18.580\n校園霸凌跟學生自殺的議題是教育委員會的委員們長期非常關心的議題針對如何的有效防制校園霸凌已經從三個屆起校園委員會也一直安排很多次的專報那潘部長在卸任前最後一次的質詢也提到說他擔任七年多的教育部長以來最大的遺憾是關於校園霸凌的議題跟學生自殺的議題沒有達成目標也呼籲各界要持續的來共同的關心\n\n02:41.716 --> 02:53.611\n那部長這邊請教您喔您跟潘部長交接的時候有沒有對於這個校園霸凌跟學生自殺議題政策如何延續有沒有特別的來討論或是潘部長這邊有沒有提供他的一些建議呢?\n\n02:55.669 --> 03:18.196\n跟委員報告我跟潘部長有非常深厚的情誼雖然我們在因為我當時決定要上來之前事實上還是中山大學的校長所以許多校務的這一些階段性的一個結束確實也讓我壓縮了跟潘部長更多的情誼但是我們事實上是有熱線的我隨時是可以跟他情誼的\n\n03:19.136 --> 03:22.499\n其實您剛才回答也透出訊息說其實您在學校的實務端在實務面應該會有蠻多的經驗針對霸凌案件其實根據教育部給本席的資料112年的霸凌通報件數高達3257件平均一個月就有271件\n\n03:38.132 --> 03:45.598\n相較於111年的1942件等於說幾乎是翻倍當然這個數據可以解讀為就是說我們現在反霸凌的意識比較提高所以我們的孩子呢會學會保護自己但是相對的這個確認的件數增加也表示說現在霸凌的事件真的也是增加這個讓大家都覺得非常的擔憂那我們在於校園的這個霸凌防制到底有哪個環節可以再做得更好\n\n04:07.955 --> 04:16.141\n我們要教育孩子不要被霸凌但是我們也更要教育孩子不要去霸凌別人我們在教育這一端我們還能多做什麼部長您認為我想我謝謝委員的指正事實上我想我們在中小學裡面這個輔導活動的一個相關的課程我們怎麼樣來落實我一直認為人我之間人際的相處怎麼樣讓我們青少年我們學生有更多的同理心透過角色\n\n04:37.535 --> 04:38.355\n我相信那一個校園霸凌裡面他是可以減少的\n\n04:59.349 --> 04:59.689\n謝謝部長：林淑優\n\n05:17.668 --> 05:19.590\n每個孩子都有不同的人格特質跟個性當一些比較內向的孩子遇到霸凌事件很容易發生遺憾的事情\n\n05:45.831 --> 05:45.851\n陳秀寳議員\n\n06:15.811 --> 06:18.153\n總通報件數高達11663件平均一天就有超過31件等於每個小時都有自殺案件的通報這是非常非常嚴重的問題\n\n06:36.086 --> 06:49.076\n提到剛才教材的部分教育部的1953教育部防制校園霸凌專區本期發現裡面提供的教材教案已經很久沒有更新最近的更新是在4月18但是點進去連結的內容是連結到2019年的舊內容\n\n06:54.480 --> 07:21.711\n那上一次的更新是在2023年的2月更新的但是部長你可以看到這個教學指引以及教學媒體下載只有一千多次使用的次數非常少那根據2023年台灣兒少為歧視現況調查報告指出有近兩成的兒少表示學校沒有做任何反歧視反霸凌的教育那甚至有只有四成的兒少認為這些教育內容對於現實狀況有幫助\n\n07:23.792 --> 07:46.231\n意思就是說教育部推動了這些反霸凌教育的相關內容其實是沒有貼近現實狀況也無法讓我們的孩子在面對有歧視或是有霸凌這個狀況的時候能夠充分的面對部長我們教育部也在今年4月中有修正了校園霸凌防制準則相關的反霸凌教材教案一定也是會做更新那請問預計什麼時候做更新\n\n07:50.512 --> 08:06.936\n我想我們會加速的來做因為確實因為社會的快速變遷許多這個霸凌的樣態包含網路的霸凌我想許多的教材我們確實也應該要快速的與時俱進對與時俱進針對我們兒童來我們的孩子反映說反霸凌教育沒有落實以及內容不符合現實的這個問題教育部你們現在規劃如何改善\n\n08:18.422 --> 08:19.783\n所以部長您理解我在這邊向您反映這個問題嗎就是我們的教材不管是說老師他們採用這個教案教材的這個並不踴躍\n\n08:43.957 --> 09:11.152\n還有說孩子們他們反映到說他們學校可能沒有做這些反霸凌教育或者說他們覺得這些內容對他們來講不符合現況用不到所以我想滾動式的一個檢討跟修正是必要的那謝謝部長您也重視這個問題教育部應該要善盡職責落實反霸凌教育而且應該儘速的來演繹相關的規劃那接下來這邊部長您留步我想請法務部檢察司的郭司長\n\n09:18.101 --> 09:23.264\n市長好根據教育部的統計112年的數據裡面持有販售與吸食的藥品的件數總件數是483件平均一個月是有40件那從113年的1月到4月這樣子平均下來一個月也高達37件那這個部分呢市長你有什麼看法\n\n09:39.615 --> 09:56.249\n關於學生是不是有濫用毒品的問題我曾經擔任過雲林新竹與台中地檢署檢察長其實我們每季都有一個棄毒小組會議\n\n09:57.630 --> 10:24.313\n這個企圖小組會的組成包括有學校的這個學校教育局的人員以及這個我們少年隊那我們都會交代拜託我們少年隊能夠真的跟學校能夠有所溝通對防制這個毒品入侵多所努力因為我們跟學校之間的溝通學校比較忌諱我們這個執法人員進入他們校園那這部分就是我們\n\n10:24.913 --> 10:26.475\n所以這邊在防制我們的孩子不管是被這樣毒品吸引還是說防制這個部分我們主力還是放在校園\n\n10:40.174 --> 11:00.359\n目前學生濫用藥物的大宗應該是大嘛那新興的毒品也很盛行彩虹菸等等這種複合式的毒品是防不勝防但是目前的這個情況看起來我們的教育體系對這個變化萬千的藥物看起來真的可以說是無能為力那部長請問您覺得說現在的措施我們還可以如何優化我想\n\n11:07.508 --> 11:21.898\n謝謝委員的關心我其實一直認為我們怎麼樣去把一些發展性的從學校的課程包括班級我們的一個會議班會裡邊有很多的融入課程的老師多一些\n\n11:22.999 --> 11:47.650\n在教材裡面能夠把這些防制校園霸凌包括民主的基本的公民的素養人權的關係人我的身體的自主性能夠適時的融入到學科的教材或者在許多的活動裡面我覺得他是會有價值的當我們這個真正的更落實的時候我相信那個霸凌他是會被降低的\n\n11:47.850 --> 11:48.491\n請問這個網站的主管機關是法務還是教育?\n\n12:04.126 --> 12:31.579\n法務部長鄭文報告這是我們法務部保護師所做的是你們的我們目前其實我知道說不管是法務部還是教育部都說我們有在推反毒教育也有做海報但是其實部長跟市長您看一下這個反毒大本營的網站上面有提供的毒品防制影片觀看次數是多少五個月以來是600多人次600多人次不是600多人次是600多人次部長跟市長你覺得這樣是有成效的嗎\n\n12:32.139 --> 12:51.920\n我相信說法務部跟教育部製作這樣子的反毒宣導是要讓孩子們向孩子們宣導反毒的觀念但是如果你們製作出來的影片是沒有人觀看其實也是浪費了這些資源所以說本席在這邊要建議教育部及法務部你們要掌握孩子們觀看影片的習慣\n\n12:52.861 --> 13:04.857\n用他們感興趣願意去看的方式來製作反毒的內容甚至也可以跟文化部這邊的跨部會來合作我們用製作短影片的方式而且比較有趣比較生動的找孩子們他們熟悉的這些人物來做這樣的宣導\n\n13:10.584 --> 13:27.070\n希望說我們既然要做這樣子的反毒影片來提供給孩子讓他們從裡面去學到如何保護自己但是如果他是一個他們不會去看的不願意去看的這樣的影片那其實做了也是等於白做所以這邊我請教育部跟法務部這邊那針對這個反毒宣導的這個內容進行檢討那一個月之內提供這個檢討報告給本席好謝謝謝謝部長市長謝謝主席\n\n","segments":[{"start":0.049,"end":1.69,"text":"科技始終來自於人心"},{"start":26.92,"end":39.896,"text":"所以沒有人文的素養沒有哲學的一個思考我覺得這對科技的文明有時候對人類的這個不一定會提供"},{"start":43.018,"end":53.911,"text":"我一直認為人文社會的人才包括基本的人文素養他是非常重要的他是用來支撐科技是否能夠對人類的發展能夠有所貢獻的一個關鍵"},{"start":58.929,"end":82.123,"text":"謝謝部長也正是因為有這樣子的一個擔憂所以今天在這邊特別要請教您AI大廠來期其實除了像AI教父黃仁勳來台引起這些轟動之外我們對於未來科技的想像發展以及潛力等等我們都其實都專注在所謂AI的領域那可以想像說學生們對於整個AI科技領域的學科一定是會覺得比較有興趣的"},{"start":84.164,"end":103.653,"text":"那建中跟北印尼的人社班確定在今年退場 這讓我感到非常的擔憂就像部長您剛剛回答的科技來自於人性 AI 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