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00:02:08,505\n法官幫這些詐騙集團律師的首腦長逆運送現金有沒有違反洗錢防治法請教次長\n\n7\n00:02:33,101 --> 00:02:58,452\n公文報告如果符合剛剛我跟委員報告的是以前的三個太陽的其中一個太陽隔絕型的太陽的話當然會構成這個案子有沒有開始在偵辦這個部分台北地檢署已經在偵辦了司法院是不是給他停職了司法院已經停職了好接下來另外一個同樣誇張的竟然有我們地檢署的檢察官去鼓勵他的男友\n\n8\n00:02:59,764 --> 00:03:27,995\n加入詐騙集團的律師團還提供檢方內部的書類檢索系統來幫他查詢提供他的資料台灣地檢署發了一個聲明說他利用檢方內部的系統查詢資料已經偵截了沒有影響到偵查也沒有影響到防害秘密是真的嗎來請教一下次長\n\n9\n00:03:29,631 --> 00:03:49,387\n各位報告,那個台灣第1屆新聞稿是這樣子說明的啦,個案上他刑案的部分他認為沒有構成,但個案憑...好啦,我們來問一下齁,他幫他的律師男友幫詐騙集團在監控車手的律師男友來去查詢檢方內部的系統,我先問一個\n\n10\n00:03:50,396 --> 00:04:13,923\n如果查詢檢方內部的資料系統這是依法律應該可以公開的事情還是依法律應該秘密的事項各位報告我們相關的查詢的這個規定有相關規定它不符合我們個案上查詢要件所以幫詐騙集團的男友查詢資料符不符合你們的規定這個個案當然他去認定純粹從法律來講抽象來講是不應該的因為嘛\n\n11\n00:04:17,659 --> 00:04:46,852\n你也說不應該嘛但我看桃園地檢署的新聞稿我就看不懂啦幫他詐騙集團的男友去查他幫詐騙集團偵辦的案件處理的狀況這不是檢查系統陰秘密的事項嗎啊怎麼會只移送檢察官、評鑑委員會沒有要進一步偵辦這樣對嗎請教市長這個已經涉及到他這個桃園地檢署個案的決定了\n\n12\n00:04:48,196 --> 00:05:14,036\n這個個案的決定我們接下來進一步往下看看我說的是不是真的他的律師男友跟其他的律師已經依照組織犯罪防治條例起訴了對不對對吧這個是你們公開的資訊依照組織犯罪防治條例起訴代表了這一團律師在我們檢方的眼中他已經構成了犯罪組織了\n\n13\n00:05:15,933 --> 00:05:43,045\n你不會覺得很誇張嗎我們的檢察官竟然鼓勵他的律師男友去參與犯罪組織欸來你看一下你們在起訴書裡面證據清單裡面所講的他說被告朱一平要跟鄭宏威合作吳女就是我們的檢察官為其表示可惜好吧我只是覺得這是打進去那個詐騙圈子的好機會\n\n14\n00:05:44,751 --> 00:06:09,199\n檢察官去鼓勵他的男友加入犯罪組織這麼駭人聽聞的事情啊目前法務部的態度是什麼?顧問報告那個案的偵辦上我們還一致的立場還是尊重地檢所決定嘛那行政懲處的部分我們繼續行政監察各案的偵辦我一定尊重地檢署啊但問題是你要可以經得起社會檢驗嘛\n\n15\n00:06:11,927 --> 00:06:36,805\n這個犯罪事實這麼明確的行為這麼離譜的你們去對照一下桃園地檢署發的新聞稿讓人看不下去啊草率的就說什麼沒有影響到偵查或涉及妨礙秘密來我問一下你們後來發生了這麼離譜的事情有沒有去清查這一個檢察官有沒有介入過這一個\n\n16\n00:06:39,321 --> 00:07:03,223\n三十四條之一、第二百四十五條之一、第二百四十五條之一、第二百四十五條之一、第二百四十五條之一、第二百四十五條之一、第二百四十五條之一、第二百四十五條之一、第二百四十五條之一、第二百四十五條之一、第二百四十五條之一、第三百四十五條之一、第三百四十五條之一、第三百四十五條之一、第三百四十五條之一、第三百四十五條之一、第三百四十五條之一、第三百四十五條之一、第三百四十五條之一、第三百四十五條之一、第三百四十五條之一、第三百四十五條之一、第三百四十五條之一、第三百四十五條之一、第三百四十五條之一、第三\n\n17\n00:07:04,909 --> 00:07:25,365\n他的男友所幫忙辯護的案子他的女友鼓勵他參加犯罪集團的這個檢察官適不適當處理他男友辯護的案子所以這個部分台灣地檢已經把他送個案評鑑了沒有,適不適當處理他男友幫忙辯護的案子\n\n18\n00:07:26,537 --> 00:07:43,587\n可以這樣做嗎?當然不適當。當然不適當?對。是不適當還是不法?有沒有跨越法律的紅線?顧問報,有沒有不法那就涉及到剛剛提的...剛剛我說的很清楚了嘛。對,它是一個刑案的問題。他的男友幫忙辯護的被告\n\n19\n00:07:44,622 --> 00:08:10,222\n鼓勵他的男友去幫詐騙集團加入那個犯罪組織,一起來監控車手,一起來幫這個詐騙集團辦事情的檢察官,可以再審審他男朋友幫忙辯護被告的案件嗎?可以嗎?各位報告,因為您提的是喜難的部分,那叫個案就事實去認定啦。他到底有沒有反省過?你們怎麼連這麼簡單的事情,連一個基本的態度,\n\n20\n00:08:11,533 --> 00:08:34,241\n都閃躲成這個樣子。」我給你看個案事實桃園地方檢察署檢察官起訴書一位許信的被告他的辯護人是誰朱毅平朱毅平是誰就是剛剛那個檢察官的男友提起公訴了以後同樣一個被告\n\n21\n00:08:35,799 --> 00:08:55,953\n這個檢察官就是這一個詐團律師男友的女朋友的這位檢察官他可以當公訴檢察官嗎?你有沒有看到右手邊下面誰倒庭執行職務吳雅芝吳雅芝是誰?是不是就是那位檢察官?\n\n22\n00:08:57,339 --> 00:09:19,250\n這個被告的辯護人是誰朱一平朱一平是不是他男朋友就是他鼓勵他男朋友去參與詐欺集團加入那個犯罪組織的擔任律師的男友可以做這種事嗎法務部要有態度啦個案我當然尊重檢察官的偵辦嘛個案要有態度啊\n\n23\n00:09:20,676 --> 00:09:39,164\n各位報告,如果這個檢察官執行職務跟辯護人有一定特定的關係的話檢察官是符合訴訟法上的自行迴避,他應該要先請來問題是他沒迴避啊他還知道,他不僅知道他男朋友是在幫詐團欸他還鼓勵他男朋友去參加那個詐騙集團組成的律師團幫他們監控車手這還不夠駭人聽聞喔\n\n24\n00:09:45,662 --> 00:10:13,255\n結果他男朋友幫忙在辯護的詐騙集團的車手由他的女朋友立庭當公訴檢察官這種基本的查詢啊桃園地檢署沒有查出來法務部沒有查出來我老實講啊我不相信啊害人聽聞啊可以幹這種事喔\n\n25\n00:10:14,517 --> 00:10:40,120\n可以幹這種事喔!更離譜的是什麼來次長我再帶你往下看起訴的時候檢察官在起訴書說什麼這一個被告也就是他的男朋友擔任辯護人的被告他已經是累犯了要求依照累犯加重起刑這個是起訴檢察官做的事喔來我們來看判決\n\n26\n00:10:41,448 --> 00:11:10,767\n判決最後有沒有論累犯沒有論累犯為什麼沒有論累犯因為那位立庭的檢察官就是那個詐團律師的女朋友當立庭檢察官的法官說什麼本件檢察官於本院審理時沒有就被告有無構成累犯的事實及加重情形的事項具體指出證明方法所以就沒有論累犯\n\n27\n00:11:12,850 --> 00:11:40,155\n市長你看了不會覺得很誇張嗎?檢察官起訴的時候要求論累犯結果到審判的時候力挺的檢察官是那個被告辯護人的女朋友還是鼓勵他去參加這個犯罪組織的然後他在審判程序當中沒有針對他是累犯的事實提出任何證據方法導致法院最後沒有論累犯\n\n28\n00:11:42,687 --> 00:12:06,077\n請問這不是包屁什麼是包屁這不是放水什麼是放水我們桃園地檢署移給檢審會的憑鑒事實有包括這個部分嗎沒有為什麼沒有應不應該構成要憑鑒的事實這部分的話當然如果說有沒有不當我們桃園地檢署他今天委員在這邊質詢他理論上他會要質詢來處理這樣子你認為有沒有不當\n\n29\n00:12:10,342 --> 00:12:35,390\n法務部的立場認為這樣有沒有不當按照4至7175號的規定雷範檢察官是要指出證明的方法對啊沒有指出證明的方法結果沒有指出證明的方法的檢察官是誰就是那個詐團律師的女朋友啊站在法務部的立場這樣的態度這樣的作為是要強力打擊詐欺犯罪強力打擊洗錢集團是這樣嗎\n\n30\n00:12:38,818 --> 00:13:02,771\n這樣的事實桃園地檢署是在呵護自家人喔我簡單搜尋一下就查出來啦桃園地檢署查不出來喔這件事要不要徹查?市長呃,各位報告今天我們委員在這邊質詢的話我們會把這個意見轉交給桃園地檢署來處理我希望桃園地檢署公開回應啦我就查出來的事情可以這樣幹喔\n\n31\n00:13:04,451 --> 00:13:30,552\n自己的男朋友在幫忙辯護的詐騙集團結果他自己當例庭檢察官當了例庭檢察官還沒有論壘犯的事實讓法院最後沒有依照壘犯加重刑刑這個是我們在對抗詐騙集團應該有的態度跟作為嗎這是我的問題市長要不要徹查好來最後\n\n32\n00:13:34,178 --> 00:14:02,814\n不好意思耽誤了一點時間我最後請教秘書長當詐團藏匿現金的司法官經手的案件我的問題一模一樣司法院徹查了沒有他曾審過多少詐騙集團的案件在那一些案件當中有沒有跟當他藏匿現金的詐騙集團的成員有任何的交集這件事情司法院徹查了沒有\n\n33\n00:14:04,969 --> 00:14:29,836\n這個我們跟桃園跟橋頭地院啊就這個司法官的這個事情啊都都盡可能的來來加以這個釐清對所以呢他其他陳審的案件有沒有涉及到詐騙集團他有陳審詐欺案件啊有沒有陳審到詐欺集團的案子徹查了沒有那我們會盡量釐清的所以已經將他停所以什麼時候釐清\n\n34\n00:14:31,710 --> 00:14:59,071\n是已經釐清完了還是還沒有釐清完在橋頭地院那邊他們應該就初步然後也跟政婚單位也都密切甚至像所以釐清完了沒有就就因為這一種就是說一定是盡量去釐清嘛對啊所以釐清完沒有那這個沒有關係啦我看你吼現在的回答是搞不清楚狀況我也不要逼你會吼\n\n35\n00:15:00,359 --> 00:15:17,912\n去問橋頭定院,釐清完了沒有?因為你們已經停止了嘛。停止了。接下來除了刑事處分以外,我想法官評鑑應該跑不掉嘛。對對。是不是要移送法官評鑑?已經送了。啊你送法官評鑑最後釐清的犯罪事實有沒有涉入其他詐團的案件?這件事情徹查沒有?\n\n36\n00:15:18,712 --> 00:15:37,907\n所以因為這中間即使也跟廉政署還有政風單位都密切來救他所涉及的有關訴訟。祕書長你真的很厲害我問一個簡單的問題你可以東繞西繞東繞西繞講到別的地方去實踐的關係我最後只講一句話\n\n37\n00:15:39,554 --> 00:15:56,090\n有沒有涉及其他詐團的案件請司法院跟橋頭地院回去徹查這已經沒有涉及到審判核心事項了我們是針對已經終結的案件來review他有沒有成審有沒有涉及到其他案件一定要徹查啦好請司法院回去徹查謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n17154\t21683\t謝謝主席。麻煩有請司法院的秘書長跟法務部的次長。委員好。\n29754\t50419\t秘書長好、次長好目前我國非常多的人民受詐騙所害家破人亡整個社會對於詐騙是深惡痛絕也正是因為這個樣子我們不斷地催促、不斷地要求我們相關的主管機關必須要就打詐\n51823\t79716\t必須要就洗錢能夠更強力的去執行而且有效的採取各式各樣追訴的手段在這個同時當我們看到有一些不肖的律師拉幫結派幫這一些詐騙集團行使刑事訴訟法上面合法的辯護權沒有人反對但是\n80782\t105984\t如果是幫詐騙集團進一步參與犯罪監控車手甚至幫忙洗錢啊生物痛絕啊生物痛絕沒想到介入的還不僅僅只有律師啊連我們的法官連我們的檢察官通通都淪陷了\n106946\t124526\t有法官幫詐騙集團律師的首腦藏匿現金還幫他運送現金啊這種藏匿犯罪所得的行為啊來請教一下次長有沒有違反洗錢防治法\n126824\t128505\t法官幫這些詐騙集團律師的首腦長逆運送現金有沒有違反洗錢防治法請教次長\n153101\t178452\t公文報告如果符合剛剛我跟委員報告的是以前的三個太陽的其中一個太陽隔絕型的太陽的話當然會構成這個案子有沒有開始在偵辦這個部分台北地檢署已經在偵辦了司法院是不是給他停職了司法院已經停職了好接下來另外一個同樣誇張的竟然有我們地檢署的檢察官去鼓勵他的男友\n179764\t207995\t加入詐騙集團的律師團還提供檢方內部的書類檢索系統來幫他查詢提供他的資料台灣地檢署發了一個聲明說他利用檢方內部的系統查詢資料已經偵截了沒有影響到偵查也沒有影響到防害秘密是真的嗎來請教一下次長\n209631\t229387\t各位報告,那個台灣第1屆新聞稿是這樣子說明的啦,個案上他刑案的部分他認為沒有構成,但個案憑...好啦,我們來問一下齁,他幫他的律師男友幫詐騙集團在監控車手的律師男友來去查詢檢方內部的系統,我先問一個\n230396\t253923\t如果查詢檢方內部的資料系統這是依法律應該可以公開的事情還是依法律應該秘密的事項各位報告我們相關的查詢的這個規定有相關規定它不符合我們個案上查詢要件所以幫詐騙集團的男友查詢資料符不符合你們的規定這個個案當然他去認定純粹從法律來講抽象來講是不應該的因為嘛\n257659\t286852\t你也說不應該嘛但我看桃園地檢署的新聞稿我就看不懂啦幫他詐騙集團的男友去查他幫詐騙集團偵辦的案件處理的狀況這不是檢查系統陰秘密的事項嗎啊怎麼會只移送檢察官、評鑑委員會沒有要進一步偵辦這樣對嗎請教市長這個已經涉及到他這個桃園地檢署個案的決定了\n288196\t314036\t這個個案的決定我們接下來進一步往下看看我說的是不是真的他的律師男友跟其他的律師已經依照組織犯罪防治條例起訴了對不對對吧這個是你們公開的資訊依照組織犯罪防治條例起訴代表了這一團律師在我們檢方的眼中他已經構成了犯罪組織了\n315933\t343045\t你不會覺得很誇張嗎我們的檢察官竟然鼓勵他的律師男友去參與犯罪組織欸來你看一下你們在起訴書裡面證據清單裡面所講的他說被告朱一平要跟鄭宏威合作吳女就是我們的檢察官為其表示可惜好吧我只是覺得這是打進去那個詐騙圈子的好機會\n344751\t369199\t檢察官去鼓勵他的男友加入犯罪組織這麼駭人聽聞的事情啊目前法務部的態度是什麼?顧問報告那個案的偵辦上我們還一致的立場還是尊重地檢所決定嘛那行政懲處的部分我們繼續行政監察各案的偵辦我一定尊重地檢署啊但問題是你要可以經得起社會檢驗嘛\n371927\t396805\t這個犯罪事實這麼明確的行為這麼離譜的你們去對照一下桃園地檢署發的新聞稿讓人看不下去啊草率的就說什麼沒有影響到偵查或涉及妨礙秘密來我問一下你們後來發生了這麼離譜的事情有沒有去清查這一個檢察官有沒有介入過這一個\n399321\t423223\t三十四條之一、第二百四十五條之一、第二百四十五條之一、第二百四十五條之一、第二百四十五條之一、第二百四十五條之一、第二百四十五條之一、第二百四十五條之一、第二百四十五條之一、第二百四十五條之一、第二百四十五條之一、第三百四十五條之一、第三百四十五條之一、第三百四十五條之一、第三百四十五條之一、第三百四十五條之一、第三百四十五條之一、第三百四十五條之一、第三百四十五條之一、第三百四十五條之一、第三百四十五條之一、第三百四十五條之一、第三百四十五條之一、第三百四十五條之一、第三百四十五條之一、第三\n424909\t445365\t他的男友所幫忙辯護的案子他的女友鼓勵他參加犯罪集團的這個檢察官適不適當處理他男友辯護的案子所以這個部分台灣地檢已經把他送個案評鑑了沒有,適不適當處理他男友幫忙辯護的案子\n446537\t463587\t可以這樣做嗎?當然不適當。當然不適當?對。是不適當還是不法?有沒有跨越法律的紅線?顧問報,有沒有不法那就涉及到剛剛提的...剛剛我說的很清楚了嘛。對,它是一個刑案的問題。他的男友幫忙辯護的被告\n464622\t490222\t鼓勵他的男友去幫詐騙集團加入那個犯罪組織,一起來監控車手,一起來幫這個詐騙集團辦事情的檢察官,可以再審審他男朋友幫忙辯護被告的案件嗎?可以嗎?各位報告,因為您提的是喜難的部分,那叫個案就事實去認定啦。他到底有沒有反省過?你們怎麼連這麼簡單的事情,連一個基本的態度,\n491533\t514241\t都閃躲成這個樣子。」我給你看個案事實桃園地方檢察署檢察官起訴書一位許信的被告他的辯護人是誰朱毅平朱毅平是誰就是剛剛那個檢察官的男友提起公訴了以後同樣一個被告\n515799\t535953\t這個檢察官就是這一個詐團律師男友的女朋友的這位檢察官他可以當公訴檢察官嗎?你有沒有看到右手邊下面誰倒庭執行職務吳雅芝吳雅芝是誰?是不是就是那位檢察官?\n537339\t559250\t這個被告的辯護人是誰朱一平朱一平是不是他男朋友就是他鼓勵他男朋友去參與詐欺集團加入那個犯罪組織的擔任律師的男友可以做這種事嗎法務部要有態度啦個案我當然尊重檢察官的偵辦嘛個案要有態度啊\n560676\t579164\t各位報告,如果這個檢察官執行職務跟辯護人有一定特定的關係的話檢察官是符合訴訟法上的自行迴避,他應該要先請來問題是他沒迴避啊他還知道,他不僅知道他男朋友是在幫詐團欸他還鼓勵他男朋友去參加那個詐騙集團組成的律師團幫他們監控車手這還不夠駭人聽聞喔\n585662\t613255\t結果他男朋友幫忙在辯護的詐騙集團的車手由他的女朋友立庭當公訴檢察官這種基本的查詢啊桃園地檢署沒有查出來法務部沒有查出來我老實講啊我不相信啊害人聽聞啊可以幹這種事喔\n614517\t640120\t可以幹這種事喔!更離譜的是什麼來次長我再帶你往下看起訴的時候檢察官在起訴書說什麼這一個被告也就是他的男朋友擔任辯護人的被告他已經是累犯了要求依照累犯加重起刑這個是起訴檢察官做的事喔來我們來看判決\n641448\t670767\t判決最後有沒有論累犯沒有論累犯為什麼沒有論累犯因為那位立庭的檢察官就是那個詐團律師的女朋友當立庭檢察官的法官說什麼本件檢察官於本院審理時沒有就被告有無構成累犯的事實及加重情形的事項具體指出證明方法所以就沒有論累犯\n672850\t700155\t市長你看了不會覺得很誇張嗎?檢察官起訴的時候要求論累犯結果到審判的時候力挺的檢察官是那個被告辯護人的女朋友還是鼓勵他去參加這個犯罪組織的然後他在審判程序當中沒有針對他是累犯的事實提出任何證據方法導致法院最後沒有論累犯\n702687\t726077\t請問這不是包屁什麼是包屁這不是放水什麼是放水我們桃園地檢署移給檢審會的憑鑒事實有包括這個部分嗎沒有為什麼沒有應不應該構成要憑鑒的事實這部分的話當然如果說有沒有不當我們桃園地檢署他今天委員在這邊質詢他理論上他會要質詢來處理這樣子你認為有沒有不當\n730342\t755390\t法務部的立場認為這樣有沒有不當按照4至7175號的規定雷範檢察官是要指出證明的方法對啊沒有指出證明的方法結果沒有指出證明的方法的檢察官是誰就是那個詐團律師的女朋友啊站在法務部的立場這樣的態度這樣的作為是要強力打擊詐欺犯罪強力打擊洗錢集團是這樣嗎\n758818\t782771\t這樣的事實桃園地檢署是在呵護自家人喔我簡單搜尋一下就查出來啦桃園地檢署查不出來喔這件事要不要徹查?市長呃,各位報告今天我們委員在這邊質詢的話我們會把這個意見轉交給桃園地檢署來處理我希望桃園地檢署公開回應啦我就查出來的事情可以這樣幹喔\n784451\t810552\t自己的男朋友在幫忙辯護的詐騙集團結果他自己當例庭檢察官當了例庭檢察官還沒有論壘犯的事實讓法院最後沒有依照壘犯加重刑刑這個是我們在對抗詐騙集團應該有的態度跟作為嗎這是我的問題市長要不要徹查好來最後\n814178\t842814\t不好意思耽誤了一點時間我最後請教秘書長當詐團藏匿現金的司法官經手的案件我的問題一模一樣司法院徹查了沒有他曾審過多少詐騙集團的案件在那一些案件當中有沒有跟當他藏匿現金的詐騙集團的成員有任何的交集這件事情司法院徹查了沒有\n844969\t869836\t這個我們跟桃園跟橋頭地院啊就這個司法官的這個事情啊都都盡可能的來來加以這個釐清對所以呢他其他陳審的案件有沒有涉及到詐騙集團他有陳審詐欺案件啊有沒有陳審到詐欺集團的案子徹查了沒有那我們會盡量釐清的所以已經將他停所以什麼時候釐清\n871710\t899071\t是已經釐清完了還是還沒有釐清完在橋頭地院那邊他們應該就初步然後也跟政婚單位也都密切甚至像所以釐清完了沒有就就因為這一種就是說一定是盡量去釐清嘛對啊所以釐清完沒有那這個沒有關係啦我看你吼現在的回答是搞不清楚狀況我也不要逼你會吼\n900359\t917912\t去問橋頭定院,釐清完了沒有?因為你們已經停止了嘛。停止了。接下來除了刑事處分以外,我想法官評鑑應該跑不掉嘛。對對。是不是要移送法官評鑑?已經送了。啊你送法官評鑑最後釐清的犯罪事實有沒有涉入其他詐團的案件?這件事情徹查沒有?\n918712\t937907\t所以因為這中間即使也跟廉政署還有政風單位都密切來救他所涉及的有關訴訟。祕書長你真的很厲害我問一個簡單的問題你可以東繞西繞東繞西繞講到別的地方去實踐的關係我最後只講一句話\n939554\t956090\t有沒有涉及其他詐團的案件請司法院跟橋頭地院回去徹查這已經沒有涉及到審判核心事項了我們是針對已經終結的案件來review他有沒有成審有沒有涉及到其他案件一定要徹查啦好請司法院回去徹查謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席。麻煩有請司法院的秘書長跟法務部的次長。委員好。\n秘書長好、次長好目前我國非常多的人民受詐騙所害家破人亡整個社會對於詐騙是深惡痛絕也正是因為這個樣子我們不斷地催促、不斷地要求我們相關的主管機關必須要就打詐\n必須要就洗錢能夠更強力的去執行而且有效的採取各式各樣追訴的手段在這個同時當我們看到有一些不肖的律師拉幫結派幫這一些詐騙集團行使刑事訴訟法上面合法的辯護權沒有人反對但是\n如果是幫詐騙集團進一步參與犯罪監控車手甚至幫忙洗錢啊生物痛絕啊生物痛絕沒想到介入的還不僅僅只有律師啊連我們的法官連我們的檢察官通通都淪陷了\n有法官幫詐騙集團律師的首腦藏匿現金還幫他運送現金啊這種藏匿犯罪所得的行為啊來請教一下次長有沒有違反洗錢防治法\n法官幫這些詐騙集團律師的首腦長逆運送現金有沒有違反洗錢防治法請教次長\n公文報告如果符合剛剛我跟委員報告的是以前的三個太陽的其中一個太陽隔絕型的太陽的話當然會構成這個案子有沒有開始在偵辦這個部分台北地檢署已經在偵辦了司法院是不是給他停職了司法院已經停職了好接下來另外一個同樣誇張的竟然有我們地檢署的檢察官去鼓勵他的男友\n加入詐騙集團的律師團還提供檢方內部的書類檢索系統來幫他查詢提供他的資料台灣地檢署發了一個聲明說他利用檢方內部的系統查詢資料已經偵截了沒有影響到偵查也沒有影響到防害秘密是真的嗎來請教一下次長\n各位報告,那個台灣第1屆新聞稿是這樣子說明的啦,個案上他刑案的部分他認為沒有構成,但個案憑...好啦,我們來問一下齁,他幫他的律師男友幫詐騙集團在監控車手的律師男友來去查詢檢方內部的系統,我先問一個\n如果查詢檢方內部的資料系統這是依法律應該可以公開的事情還是依法律應該秘密的事項各位報告我們相關的查詢的這個規定有相關規定它不符合我們個案上查詢要件所以幫詐騙集團的男友查詢資料符不符合你們的規定這個個案當然他去認定純粹從法律來講抽象來講是不應該的因為嘛\n你也說不應該嘛但我看桃園地檢署的新聞稿我就看不懂啦幫他詐騙集團的男友去查他幫詐騙集團偵辦的案件處理的狀況這不是檢查系統陰秘密的事項嗎啊怎麼會只移送檢察官、評鑑委員會沒有要進一步偵辦這樣對嗎請教市長這個已經涉及到他這個桃園地檢署個案的決定了\n這個個案的決定我們接下來進一步往下看看我說的是不是真的他的律師男友跟其他的律師已經依照組織犯罪防治條例起訴了對不對對吧這個是你們公開的資訊依照組織犯罪防治條例起訴代表了這一團律師在我們檢方的眼中他已經構成了犯罪組織了\n你不會覺得很誇張嗎我們的檢察官竟然鼓勵他的律師男友去參與犯罪組織欸來你看一下你們在起訴書裡面證據清單裡面所講的他說被告朱一平要跟鄭宏威合作吳女就是我們的檢察官為其表示可惜好吧我只是覺得這是打進去那個詐騙圈子的好機會\n檢察官去鼓勵他的男友加入犯罪組織這麼駭人聽聞的事情啊目前法務部的態度是什麼?顧問報告那個案的偵辦上我們還一致的立場還是尊重地檢所決定嘛那行政懲處的部分我們繼續行政監察各案的偵辦我一定尊重地檢署啊但問題是你要可以經得起社會檢驗嘛\n這個犯罪事實這麼明確的行為這麼離譜的你們去對照一下桃園地檢署發的新聞稿讓人看不下去啊草率的就說什麼沒有影響到偵查或涉及妨礙秘密來我問一下你們後來發生了這麼離譜的事情有沒有去清查這一個檢察官有沒有介入過這一個\n三十四條之一、第二百四十五條之一、第二百四十五條之一、第二百四十五條之一、第二百四十五條之一、第二百四十五條之一、第二百四十五條之一、第二百四十五條之一、第二百四十五條之一、第二百四十五條之一、第二百四十五條之一、第三百四十五條之一、第三百四十五條之一、第三百四十五條之一、第三百四十五條之一、第三百四十五條之一、第三百四十五條之一、第三百四十五條之一、第三百四十五條之一、第三百四十五條之一、第三百四十五條之一、第三百四十五條之一、第三百四十五條之一、第三百四十五條之一、第三百四十五條之一、第三\n他的男友所幫忙辯護的案子他的女友鼓勵他參加犯罪集團的這個檢察官適不適當處理他男友辯護的案子所以這個部分台灣地檢已經把他送個案評鑑了沒有,適不適當處理他男友幫忙辯護的案子\n可以這樣做嗎?當然不適當。當然不適當?對。是不適當還是不法?有沒有跨越法律的紅線?顧問報,有沒有不法那就涉及到剛剛提的...剛剛我說的很清楚了嘛。對,它是一個刑案的問題。他的男友幫忙辯護的被告\n鼓勵他的男友去幫詐騙集團加入那個犯罪組織,一起來監控車手,一起來幫這個詐騙集團辦事情的檢察官,可以再審審他男朋友幫忙辯護被告的案件嗎?可以嗎?各位報告,因為您提的是喜難的部分,那叫個案就事實去認定啦。他到底有沒有反省過?你們怎麼連這麼簡單的事情,連一個基本的態度,\n都閃躲成這個樣子。」我給你看個案事實桃園地方檢察署檢察官起訴書一位許信的被告他的辯護人是誰朱毅平朱毅平是誰就是剛剛那個檢察官的男友提起公訴了以後同樣一個被告\n這個檢察官就是這一個詐團律師男友的女朋友的這位檢察官他可以當公訴檢察官嗎?你有沒有看到右手邊下面誰倒庭執行職務吳雅芝吳雅芝是誰?是不是就是那位檢察官?\n這個被告的辯護人是誰朱一平朱一平是不是他男朋友就是他鼓勵他男朋友去參與詐欺集團加入那個犯罪組織的擔任律師的男友可以做這種事嗎法務部要有態度啦個案我當然尊重檢察官的偵辦嘛個案要有態度啊\n各位報告,如果這個檢察官執行職務跟辯護人有一定特定的關係的話檢察官是符合訴訟法上的自行迴避,他應該要先請來問題是他沒迴避啊他還知道,他不僅知道他男朋友是在幫詐團欸他還鼓勵他男朋友去參加那個詐騙集團組成的律師團幫他們監控車手這還不夠駭人聽聞喔\n結果他男朋友幫忙在辯護的詐騙集團的車手由他的女朋友立庭當公訴檢察官這種基本的查詢啊桃園地檢署沒有查出來法務部沒有查出來我老實講啊我不相信啊害人聽聞啊可以幹這種事喔\n可以幹這種事喔!更離譜的是什麼來次長我再帶你往下看起訴的時候檢察官在起訴書說什麼這一個被告也就是他的男朋友擔任辯護人的被告他已經是累犯了要求依照累犯加重起刑這個是起訴檢察官做的事喔來我們來看判決\n判決最後有沒有論累犯沒有論累犯為什麼沒有論累犯因為那位立庭的檢察官就是那個詐團律師的女朋友當立庭檢察官的法官說什麼本件檢察官於本院審理時沒有就被告有無構成累犯的事實及加重情形的事項具體指出證明方法所以就沒有論累犯\n市長你看了不會覺得很誇張嗎?檢察官起訴的時候要求論累犯結果到審判的時候力挺的檢察官是那個被告辯護人的女朋友還是鼓勵他去參加這個犯罪組織的然後他在審判程序當中沒有針對他是累犯的事實提出任何證據方法導致法院最後沒有論累犯\n請問這不是包屁什麼是包屁這不是放水什麼是放水我們桃園地檢署移給檢審會的憑鑒事實有包括這個部分嗎沒有為什麼沒有應不應該構成要憑鑒的事實這部分的話當然如果說有沒有不當我們桃園地檢署他今天委員在這邊質詢他理論上他會要質詢來處理這樣子你認為有沒有不當\n法務部的立場認為這樣有沒有不當按照4至7175號的規定雷範檢察官是要指出證明的方法對啊沒有指出證明的方法結果沒有指出證明的方法的檢察官是誰就是那個詐團律師的女朋友啊站在法務部的立場這樣的態度這樣的作為是要強力打擊詐欺犯罪強力打擊洗錢集團是這樣嗎\n這樣的事實桃園地檢署是在呵護自家人喔我簡單搜尋一下就查出來啦桃園地檢署查不出來喔這件事要不要徹查?市長呃,各位報告今天我們委員在這邊質詢的話我們會把這個意見轉交給桃園地檢署來處理我希望桃園地檢署公開回應啦我就查出來的事情可以這樣幹喔\n自己的男朋友在幫忙辯護的詐騙集團結果他自己當例庭檢察官當了例庭檢察官還沒有論壘犯的事實讓法院最後沒有依照壘犯加重刑刑這個是我們在對抗詐騙集團應該有的態度跟作為嗎這是我的問題市長要不要徹查好來最後\n不好意思耽誤了一點時間我最後請教秘書長當詐團藏匿現金的司法官經手的案件我的問題一模一樣司法院徹查了沒有他曾審過多少詐騙集團的案件在那一些案件當中有沒有跟當他藏匿現金的詐騙集團的成員有任何的交集這件事情司法院徹查了沒有\n這個我們跟桃園跟橋頭地院啊就這個司法官的這個事情啊都都盡可能的來來加以這個釐清對所以呢他其他陳審的案件有沒有涉及到詐騙集團他有陳審詐欺案件啊有沒有陳審到詐欺集團的案子徹查了沒有那我們會盡量釐清的所以已經將他停所以什麼時候釐清\n是已經釐清完了還是還沒有釐清完在橋頭地院那邊他們應該就初步然後也跟政婚單位也都密切甚至像所以釐清完了沒有就就因為這一種就是說一定是盡量去釐清嘛對啊所以釐清完沒有那這個沒有關係啦我看你吼現在的回答是搞不清楚狀況我也不要逼你會吼\n去問橋頭定院,釐清完了沒有?因為你們已經停止了嘛。停止了。接下來除了刑事處分以外,我想法官評鑑應該跑不掉嘛。對對。是不是要移送法官評鑑?已經送了。啊你送法官評鑑最後釐清的犯罪事實有沒有涉入其他詐團的案件?這件事情徹查沒有?\n所以因為這中間即使也跟廉政署還有政風單位都密切來救他所涉及的有關訴訟。祕書長你真的很厲害我問一個簡單的問題你可以東繞西繞東繞西繞講到別的地方去實踐的關係我最後只講一句話\n有沒有涉及其他詐團的案件請司法院跟橋頭地院回去徹查這已經沒有涉及到審判核心事項了我們是針對已經終結的案件來review他有沒有成審有沒有涉及到其他案件一定要徹查啦好請司法院回去徹查謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:17.154 --> 00:21.683\n謝謝主席。麻煩有請司法院的秘書長跟法務部的次長。委員好。\n\n00:29.754 --> 00:50.419\n秘書長好、次長好目前我國非常多的人民受詐騙所害家破人亡整個社會對於詐騙是深惡痛絕也正是因為這個樣子我們不斷地催促、不斷地要求我們相關的主管機關必須要就打詐\n\n00:51.823 --> 01:19.716\n必須要就洗錢能夠更強力的去執行而且有效的採取各式各樣追訴的手段在這個同時當我們看到有一些不肖的律師拉幫結派幫這一些詐騙集團行使刑事訴訟法上面合法的辯護權沒有人反對但是\n\n01:20.782 --> 01:45.984\n如果是幫詐騙集團進一步參與犯罪監控車手甚至幫忙洗錢啊生物痛絕啊生物痛絕沒想到介入的還不僅僅只有律師啊連我們的法官連我們的檢察官通通都淪陷了\n\n01:46.946 --> 02:04.526\n有法官幫詐騙集團律師的首腦藏匿現金還幫他運送現金啊這種藏匿犯罪所得的行為啊來請教一下次長有沒有違反洗錢防治法\n\n02:06.824 --> 02:08.505\n法官幫這些詐騙集團律師的首腦長逆運送現金有沒有違反洗錢防治法請教次長\n\n02:33.101 --> 02:58.452\n公文報告如果符合剛剛我跟委員報告的是以前的三個太陽的其中一個太陽隔絕型的太陽的話當然會構成這個案子有沒有開始在偵辦這個部分台北地檢署已經在偵辦了司法院是不是給他停職了司法院已經停職了好接下來另外一個同樣誇張的竟然有我們地檢署的檢察官去鼓勵他的男友\n\n02:59.764 --> 03:27.995\n加入詐騙集團的律師團還提供檢方內部的書類檢索系統來幫他查詢提供他的資料台灣地檢署發了一個聲明說他利用檢方內部的系統查詢資料已經偵截了沒有影響到偵查也沒有影響到防害秘密是真的嗎來請教一下次長\n\n03:29.631 --> 03:49.387\n各位報告,那個台灣第1屆新聞稿是這樣子說明的啦,個案上他刑案的部分他認為沒有構成,但個案憑...好啦,我們來問一下齁,他幫他的律師男友幫詐騙集團在監控車手的律師男友來去查詢檢方內部的系統,我先問一個\n\n03:50.396 --> 04:13.923\n如果查詢檢方內部的資料系統這是依法律應該可以公開的事情還是依法律應該秘密的事項各位報告我們相關的查詢的這個規定有相關規定它不符合我們個案上查詢要件所以幫詐騙集團的男友查詢資料符不符合你們的規定這個個案當然他去認定純粹從法律來講抽象來講是不應該的因為嘛\n\n04:17.659 --> 04:46.852\n你也說不應該嘛但我看桃園地檢署的新聞稿我就看不懂啦幫他詐騙集團的男友去查他幫詐騙集團偵辦的案件處理的狀況這不是檢查系統陰秘密的事項嗎啊怎麼會只移送檢察官、評鑑委員會沒有要進一步偵辦這樣對嗎請教市長這個已經涉及到他這個桃園地檢署個案的決定了\n\n04:48.196 --> 05:14.036\n這個個案的決定我們接下來進一步往下看看我說的是不是真的他的律師男友跟其他的律師已經依照組織犯罪防治條例起訴了對不對對吧這個是你們公開的資訊依照組織犯罪防治條例起訴代表了這一團律師在我們檢方的眼中他已經構成了犯罪組織了\n\n05:15.933 --> 05:43.045\n你不會覺得很誇張嗎我們的檢察官竟然鼓勵他的律師男友去參與犯罪組織欸來你看一下你們在起訴書裡面證據清單裡面所講的他說被告朱一平要跟鄭宏威合作吳女就是我們的檢察官為其表示可惜好吧我只是覺得這是打進去那個詐騙圈子的好機會\n\n05:44.751 --> 06:09.199\n檢察官去鼓勵他的男友加入犯罪組織這麼駭人聽聞的事情啊目前法務部的態度是什麼?顧問報告那個案的偵辦上我們還一致的立場還是尊重地檢所決定嘛那行政懲處的部分我們繼續行政監察各案的偵辦我一定尊重地檢署啊但問題是你要可以經得起社會檢驗嘛\n\n06:11.927 --> 06:36.805\n這個犯罪事實這麼明確的行為這麼離譜的你們去對照一下桃園地檢署發的新聞稿讓人看不下去啊草率的就說什麼沒有影響到偵查或涉及妨礙秘密來我問一下你們後來發生了這麼離譜的事情有沒有去清查這一個檢察官有沒有介入過這一個\n\n06:39.321 --> 07:03.223\n三十四條之一、第二百四十五條之一、第二百四十五條之一、第二百四十五條之一、第二百四十五條之一、第二百四十五條之一、第二百四十五條之一、第二百四十五條之一、第二百四十五條之一、第二百四十五條之一、第二百四十五條之一、第三百四十五條之一、第三百四十五條之一、第三百四十五條之一、第三百四十五條之一、第三百四十五條之一、第三百四十五條之一、第三百四十五條之一、第三百四十五條之一、第三百四十五條之一、第三百四十五條之一、第三百四十五條之一、第三百四十五條之一、第三百四十五條之一、第三百四十五條之一、第三\n\n07:04.909 --> 07:25.365\n他的男友所幫忙辯護的案子他的女友鼓勵他參加犯罪集團的這個檢察官適不適當處理他男友辯護的案子所以這個部分台灣地檢已經把他送個案評鑑了沒有,適不適當處理他男友幫忙辯護的案子\n\n07:26.537 --> 07:43.587\n可以這樣做嗎?當然不適當。當然不適當?對。是不適當還是不法?有沒有跨越法律的紅線?顧問報,有沒有不法那就涉及到剛剛提的...剛剛我說的很清楚了嘛。對,它是一個刑案的問題。他的男友幫忙辯護的被告\n\n07:44.622 --> 08:10.222\n鼓勵他的男友去幫詐騙集團加入那個犯罪組織,一起來監控車手,一起來幫這個詐騙集團辦事情的檢察官,可以再審審他男朋友幫忙辯護被告的案件嗎?可以嗎?各位報告,因為您提的是喜難的部分,那叫個案就事實去認定啦。他到底有沒有反省過?你們怎麼連這麼簡單的事情,連一個基本的態度,\n\n08:11.533 --> 08:34.241\n都閃躲成這個樣子。」我給你看個案事實桃園地方檢察署檢察官起訴書一位許信的被告他的辯護人是誰朱毅平朱毅平是誰就是剛剛那個檢察官的男友提起公訴了以後同樣一個被告\n\n08:35.799 --> 08:55.953\n這個檢察官就是這一個詐團律師男友的女朋友的這位檢察官他可以當公訴檢察官嗎?你有沒有看到右手邊下面誰倒庭執行職務吳雅芝吳雅芝是誰?是不是就是那位檢察官?\n\n08:57.339 --> 09:19.250\n這個被告的辯護人是誰朱一平朱一平是不是他男朋友就是他鼓勵他男朋友去參與詐欺集團加入那個犯罪組織的擔任律師的男友可以做這種事嗎法務部要有態度啦個案我當然尊重檢察官的偵辦嘛個案要有態度啊\n\n09:20.676 --> 09:39.164\n各位報告,如果這個檢察官執行職務跟辯護人有一定特定的關係的話檢察官是符合訴訟法上的自行迴避,他應該要先請來問題是他沒迴避啊他還知道,他不僅知道他男朋友是在幫詐團欸他還鼓勵他男朋友去參加那個詐騙集團組成的律師團幫他們監控車手這還不夠駭人聽聞喔\n\n09:45.662 --> 10:13.255\n結果他男朋友幫忙在辯護的詐騙集團的車手由他的女朋友立庭當公訴檢察官這種基本的查詢啊桃園地檢署沒有查出來法務部沒有查出來我老實講啊我不相信啊害人聽聞啊可以幹這種事喔\n\n10:14.517 --> 10:40.120\n可以幹這種事喔!更離譜的是什麼來次長我再帶你往下看起訴的時候檢察官在起訴書說什麼這一個被告也就是他的男朋友擔任辯護人的被告他已經是累犯了要求依照累犯加重起刑這個是起訴檢察官做的事喔來我們來看判決\n\n10:41.448 --> 11:10.767\n判決最後有沒有論累犯沒有論累犯為什麼沒有論累犯因為那位立庭的檢察官就是那個詐團律師的女朋友當立庭檢察官的法官說什麼本件檢察官於本院審理時沒有就被告有無構成累犯的事實及加重情形的事項具體指出證明方法所以就沒有論累犯\n\n11:12.850 --> 11:40.155\n市長你看了不會覺得很誇張嗎?檢察官起訴的時候要求論累犯結果到審判的時候力挺的檢察官是那個被告辯護人的女朋友還是鼓勵他去參加這個犯罪組織的然後他在審判程序當中沒有針對他是累犯的事實提出任何證據方法導致法院最後沒有論累犯\n\n11:42.687 --> 12:06.077\n請問這不是包屁什麼是包屁這不是放水什麼是放水我們桃園地檢署移給檢審會的憑鑒事實有包括這個部分嗎沒有為什麼沒有應不應該構成要憑鑒的事實這部分的話當然如果說有沒有不當我們桃園地檢署他今天委員在這邊質詢他理論上他會要質詢來處理這樣子你認為有沒有不當\n\n12:10.342 --> 12:35.390\n法務部的立場認為這樣有沒有不當按照4至7175號的規定雷範檢察官是要指出證明的方法對啊沒有指出證明的方法結果沒有指出證明的方法的檢察官是誰就是那個詐團律師的女朋友啊站在法務部的立場這樣的態度這樣的作為是要強力打擊詐欺犯罪強力打擊洗錢集團是這樣嗎\n\n12:38.818 --> 13:02.771\n這樣的事實桃園地檢署是在呵護自家人喔我簡單搜尋一下就查出來啦桃園地檢署查不出來喔這件事要不要徹查?市長呃,各位報告今天我們委員在這邊質詢的話我們會把這個意見轉交給桃園地檢署來處理我希望桃園地檢署公開回應啦我就查出來的事情可以這樣幹喔\n\n13:04.451 --> 13:30.552\n自己的男朋友在幫忙辯護的詐騙集團結果他自己當例庭檢察官當了例庭檢察官還沒有論壘犯的事實讓法院最後沒有依照壘犯加重刑刑這個是我們在對抗詐騙集團應該有的態度跟作為嗎這是我的問題市長要不要徹查好來最後\n\n13:34.178 --> 14:02.814\n不好意思耽誤了一點時間我最後請教秘書長當詐團藏匿現金的司法官經手的案件我的問題一模一樣司法院徹查了沒有他曾審過多少詐騙集團的案件在那一些案件當中有沒有跟當他藏匿現金的詐騙集團的成員有任何的交集這件事情司法院徹查了沒有\n\n14:04.969 --> 14:29.836\n這個我們跟桃園跟橋頭地院啊就這個司法官的這個事情啊都都盡可能的來來加以這個釐清對所以呢他其他陳審的案件有沒有涉及到詐騙集團他有陳審詐欺案件啊有沒有陳審到詐欺集團的案子徹查了沒有那我們會盡量釐清的所以已經將他停所以什麼時候釐清\n\n14:31.710 --> 14:59.071\n是已經釐清完了還是還沒有釐清完在橋頭地院那邊他們應該就初步然後也跟政婚單位也都密切甚至像所以釐清完了沒有就就因為這一種就是說一定是盡量去釐清嘛對啊所以釐清完沒有那這個沒有關係啦我看你吼現在的回答是搞不清楚狀況我也不要逼你會吼\n\n15:00.359 --> 15:17.912\n去問橋頭定院,釐清完了沒有?因為你們已經停止了嘛。停止了。接下來除了刑事處分以外,我想法官評鑑應該跑不掉嘛。對對。是不是要移送法官評鑑?已經送了。啊你送法官評鑑最後釐清的犯罪事實有沒有涉入其他詐團的案件?這件事情徹查沒有?\n\n15:18.712 --> 15:37.907\n所以因為這中間即使也跟廉政署還有政風單位都密切來救他所涉及的有關訴訟。祕書長你真的很厲害我問一個簡單的問題你可以東繞西繞東繞西繞講到別的地方去實踐的關係我最後只講一句話\n\n15:39.554 --> 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