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00:02:36,648\n是這樣子嗎?副主委我想跟委員報告現在打詐專法裡面就對這些數位平台假使有要去投放這個數位廣告以後要實名制我想說打詐專法之後那個對數位平台已經有\n\n8\n00:02:37,028 --> 00:02:37,749\n蔡美玲議員\n\n9\n00:03:07,068 --> 00:03:07,629\n請問是如何查緝呢?\n\n10\n00:03:26,571 --> 00:03:45,960\n我想說這個部分是數位部他有跟所有的數位平台他因為這樣以後投放廣告都要透明就是說要實名制要透明我想這個部分數位部已經有跟Meta或者Google這些數位平台已經有在做了因為\n\n11\n00:03:47,581 --> 00:04:11,369\n因為數位部這邊也很加速的在做這件事情有確實有而且我想說我們也知道打詐這個專法會過可能近期就會過所以說數位部已經在準備這些前置的作業另外通傳會這邊我們也會針對那個黑莓卡就是這些國際漫遊的義務卡這一部分\n\n12\n00:04:12,049 --> 00:04:14,211\n昨天也找電信公司來跟他們講做一些討論怎麼樣來加速這個就是對這個黑美卡怎麼樣來防治\n\n13\n00:04:35,026 --> 00:04:45,974\n謝謝副主委的這個說明那我們也希望就是說能夠透過NCC或是跟法務部還有訴法部一起來努力因為說實在的我覺得台灣的這個詐騙的這個狀況越來越嚴重我講對台灣的國際形象其實也是不佳的所以我們希望就是說從源頭開始來管理是不是可以遏止這些詐騙的這個事件來發生啦謝謝委員的指導\n\n14\n00:05:02,546 --> 00:05:02,827\n打詐釋法\n\n15\n00:05:20,470 --> 00:05:20,770\n李慧琼議員\n\n16\n00:05:42,899 --> 00:06:08,502\n檢調跟這個通信業者索取相關資料這個程序的話是不是也會說比照國安局的這個做法我想說那個通傳會這邊在電信管理法上面就是檢調機關他要去調那個通信監察或調列調列通信紀錄都是有採法官保留的原則或者檢察官保留的原則這個都是依法有按照這個程序在做\n\n17\n00:06:09,102 --> 00:06:09,142\n葛珮帆議員\n\n18\n00:06:29,116 --> 00:06:29,136\n通訊記錄\n\n19\n00:06:49,085 --> 00:07:07,445\n他要去執行通信監察或調位通信記錄的話都是我們按照電信管理法電管法或者通保法上面都要採法官保留至於說民間有一些數據公司比如說Google或者是Meta他們有因為\n\n20\n00:07:09,087 --> 00:07:23,408\n收集到民眾的一些個資喔其實那個APP我講一句話就是說免錢的最貴那那個你使用他這個APP之後你的個資可能會被他收集但是這個部分\n\n21\n00:07:24,429 --> 00:07:32,536\n所以反而是APP的那個是比較危險比較漏洞的這個部分所以不要隨便下載APP這個部分確實是剛才也有委員提到確實要來做民眾在使用這些那個APP的時候要注意到就是說你的同意你同意他的個資是到什麼樣的程度你的定位\n\n22\n00:07:48,408 --> 00:08:01,156\n你同意到什麼程度可能也要就是使用者自己要去了解對但是假使是電信法電管法的部分NCC這邊都要求電信事業一定要遵守\n\n23\n00:08:04,258 --> 00:08:18,223\n各支法的規定、治安法的規定甚至要按照假使有檢調單位來要求通信監察或者是要調位通聯記錄一定要有檢察官或法官核發的一些證明\n\n24\n00:08:19,045 --> 00:08:45,192\n那還有我再請教一下副主委我們行政院就要成立這個各自委員會委員會這已經有設立這個籌備處了往後我們NCC跟這個各自委員會之間的連結呢或是這個怎麼樣的連結這個部分就是6月3號我們在大院交通委員會也提到就是未來電信事業我們會電信事業會導入個人資料去識別化的驗證標準規範我們會來跟去識別化不是過去一直都有在做嗎\n\n25\n00:08:45,792 --> 00:09:08,907\n對,但是這個部分要有一個比較標準的、驗證標準的規劃我們會跟那個各支籌備委員會一起來努力趕快來建立,對OK好謝謝,我在想這個各支委員會的這個成立還有NCC像我們這個打炸司法的這個出現看是不是可以說有效的來嚇止一些這個各支外鬧或者是說被詐騙的這個情形這個發生\n\n26\n00:09:12,089 --> 00:09:14,131\n國安局局長蔡明彥\n\n27\n00:09:28,039 --> 00:09:54,441\n據說最近中國的碳空氣球平常入侵我國尤其是說520之後今年據說都超過百顆的碳空氣球侵入我國的領空當然中國的說法說沒有啊我們只不過是要去收集一些氣象的資料而已那你對於中國的說法你覺得他這個是不是有點逼終究竟是不是真的有其他的目的呢\n\n28\n00:09:54,981 --> 00:10:10,360\n中國的碳空氣球到我們的空域來活動大概主要集中的都是在每一年的11月到隔年的4月因為配合到西南季風的推出可以讓碳空氣球飄到台海中線以東的相關的空域\n\n29\n00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:38,374\n那對於這個部分來講今年為止已經有121顆的中共的探空氣球到台海空域來進行活動那我們認為說它可能除了一般的相關的科研研究以外也要注意到它有相關的軍事用途因為它可以收集相關的大器的數據那對於未來解放軍假如火箭軍或遠程火炮要進行攻擊的話這些數據都可以當作一個火炮試射當中要控制的這些大器的數據資料的參用的圖案\n\n30\n00:10:40,435 --> 00:11:05,292\n所以局長認為所以他這個其實說他只是收集氣象的這些資料其實他背後其實可能還有其他的對那另外也要注意到因為他的這些的洗腦飄的空域大概都在1萬到2萬8的這個因此的高空那也會是我們的戰機跟民航機特別是國內間國內線的民航機的相關的飛岸活動那這是另外一個層面要注意的\n\n31\n00:11:05,452 --> 00:11:05,472\n好,謝謝\n\n32\n00:11:35,820 --> 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確實有而且我想說我們也知道打詐這個專法會過可能近期就會過所以說數位部已經在準備這些前置的作業另外通傳會這邊我們也會針對那個黑莓卡就是這些國際漫遊的義務卡這一部分\n昨天也找電信公司來跟他們講做一些討論怎麼樣來加速這個就是對這個黑美卡怎麼樣來防治\n謝謝副主委的這個說明那我們也希望就是說能夠透過NCC或是跟法務部還有訴法部一起來努力因為說實在的我覺得台灣的這個詐騙的這個狀況越來越嚴重我講對台灣的國際形象其實也是不佳的所以我們希望就是說從源頭開始來管理是不是可以遏止這些詐騙的這個事件來發生啦謝謝委員的指導\n打詐釋法\n李慧琼議員\n檢調跟這個通信業者索取相關資料這個程序的話是不是也會說比照國安局的這個做法我想說那個通傳會這邊在電信管理法上面就是檢調機關他要去調那個通信監察或調列調列通信紀錄都是有採法官保留的原則或者檢察官保留的原則這個都是依法有按照這個程序在做\n葛珮帆議員\n通訊記錄\n他要去執行通信監察或調位通信記錄的話都是我們按照電信管理法電管法或者通保法上面都要採法官保留至於說民間有一些數據公司比如說Google或者是Meta他們有因為\n收集到民眾的一些個資喔其實那個APP我講一句話就是說免錢的最貴那那個你使用他這個APP之後你的個資可能會被他收集但是這個部分\n所以反而是APP的那個是比較危險比較漏洞的這個部分所以不要隨便下載APP這個部分確實是剛才也有委員提到確實要來做民眾在使用這些那個APP的時候要注意到就是說你的同意你同意他的個資是到什麼樣的程度你的定位\n你同意到什麼程度可能也要就是使用者自己要去了解對但是假使是電信法電管法的部分NCC這邊都要求電信事業一定要遵守\n各支法的規定、治安法的規定甚至要按照假使有檢調單位來要求通信監察或者是要調位通聯記錄一定要有檢察官或法官核發的一些證明\n那還有我再請教一下副主委我們行政院就要成立這個各自委員會委員會這已經有設立這個籌備處了往後我們NCC跟這個各自委員會之間的連結呢或是這個怎麼樣的連結這個部分就是6月3號我們在大院交通委員會也提到就是未來電信事業我們會電信事業會導入個人資料去識別化的驗證標準規範我們會來跟去識別化不是過去一直都有在做嗎\n對,但是這個部分要有一個比較標準的、驗證標準的規劃我們會跟那個各支籌備委員會一起來努力趕快來建立,對OK好謝謝,我在想這個各支委員會的這個成立還有NCC像我們這個打炸司法的這個出現看是不是可以說有效的來嚇止一些這個各支外鬧或者是說被詐騙的這個情形這個發生\n國安局局長蔡明彥\n據說最近中國的碳空氣球平常入侵我國尤其是說520之後今年據說都超過百顆的碳空氣球侵入我國的領空當然中國的說法說沒有啊我們只不過是要去收集一些氣象的資料而已那你對於中國的說法你覺得他這個是不是有點逼終究竟是不是真的有其他的目的呢\n中國的碳空氣球到我們的空域來活動大概主要集中的都是在每一年的11月到隔年的4月因為配合到西南季風的推出可以讓碳空氣球飄到台海中線以東的相關的空域\n那對於這個部分來講今年為止已經有121顆的中共的探空氣球到台海空域來進行活動那我們認為說它可能除了一般的相關的科研研究以外也要注意到它有相關的軍事用途因為它可以收集相關的大器的數據那對於未來解放軍假如火箭軍或遠程火炮要進行攻擊的話這些數據都可以當作一個火炮試射當中要控制的這些大器的數據資料的參用的圖案\n所以局長認為所以他這個其實說他只是收集氣象的這些資料其實他背後其實可能還有其他的對那另外也要注意到因為他的這些的洗腦飄的空域大概都在1萬到2萬8的這個因此的高空那也會是我們的戰機跟民航機特別是國內間國內線的民航機的相關的飛岸活動那這是另外一個層面要注意的\n好,謝謝\n接下來請洪森和委員上台質詢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.730 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04:11.369\n因為數位部這邊也很加速的在做這件事情有確實有而且我想說我們也知道打詐這個專法會過可能近期就會過所以說數位部已經在準備這些前置的作業另外通傳會這邊我們也會針對那個黑莓卡就是這些國際漫遊的義務卡這一部分\n\n04:12.049 --> 04:14.211\n昨天也找電信公司來跟他們講做一些討論怎麼樣來加速這個就是對這個黑美卡怎麼樣來防治\n\n04:35.026 --> 04:45.974\n謝謝副主委的這個說明那我們也希望就是說能夠透過NCC或是跟法務部還有訴法部一起來努力因為說實在的我覺得台灣的這個詐騙的這個狀況越來越嚴重我講對台灣的國際形象其實也是不佳的所以我們希望就是說從源頭開始來管理是不是可以遏止這些詐騙的這個事件來發生啦謝謝委員的指導\n\n05:02.546 --> 05:02.827\n打詐釋法\n\n05:20.470 --> 05:20.770\n李慧琼議員\n\n05:42.899 --> 06:08.502\n檢調跟這個通信業者索取相關資料這個程序的話是不是也會說比照國安局的這個做法我想說那個通傳會這邊在電信管理法上面就是檢調機關他要去調那個通信監察或調列調列通信紀錄都是有採法官保留的原則或者檢察官保留的原則這個都是依法有按照這個程序在做\n\n06:09.102 --> 06:09.142\n葛珮帆議員\n\n06:29.116 --> 06:29.136\n通訊記錄\n\n06:49.085 --> 07:07.445\n他要去執行通信監察或調位通信記錄的話都是我們按照電信管理法電管法或者通保法上面都要採法官保留至於說民間有一些數據公司比如說Google或者是Meta他們有因為\n\n07:09.087 --> 07:23.408\n收集到民眾的一些個資喔其實那個APP我講一句話就是說免錢的最貴那那個你使用他這個APP之後你的個資可能會被他收集但是這個部分\n\n07:24.429 --> 07:32.536\n所以反而是APP的那個是比較危險比較漏洞的這個部分所以不要隨便下載APP這個部分確實是剛才也有委員提到確實要來做民眾在使用這些那個APP的時候要注意到就是說你的同意你同意他的個資是到什麼樣的程度你的定位\n\n07:48.408 --> 08:01.156\n你同意到什麼程度可能也要就是使用者自己要去了解對但是假使是電信法電管法的部分NCC這邊都要求電信事業一定要遵守\n\n08:04.258 --> 08:18.223\n各支法的規定、治安法的規定甚至要按照假使有檢調單位來要求通信監察或者是要調位通聯記錄一定要有檢察官或法官核發的一些證明\n\n08:19.045 --> 08:45.192\n那還有我再請教一下副主委我們行政院就要成立這個各自委員會委員會這已經有設立這個籌備處了往後我們NCC跟這個各自委員會之間的連結呢或是這個怎麼樣的連結這個部分就是6月3號我們在大院交通委員會也提到就是未來電信事業我們會電信事業會導入個人資料去識別化的驗證標準規範我們會來跟去識別化不是過去一直都有在做嗎\n\n08:45.792 --> 09:08.907\n對,但是這個部分要有一個比較標準的、驗證標準的規劃我們會跟那個各支籌備委員會一起來努力趕快來建立,對OK好謝謝,我在想這個各支委員會的這個成立還有NCC像我們這個打炸司法的這個出現看是不是可以說有效的來嚇止一些這個各支外鬧或者是說被詐騙的這個情形這個發生\n\n09:12.089 --> 09:14.131\n國安局局長蔡明彥\n\n09:28.039 --> 09:54.441\n據說最近中國的碳空氣球平常入侵我國尤其是說520之後今年據說都超過百顆的碳空氣球侵入我國的領空當然中國的說法說沒有啊我們只不過是要去收集一些氣象的資料而已那你對於中國的說法你覺得他這個是不是有點逼終究竟是不是真的有其他的目的呢\n\n09:54.981 --> 10:10.360\n中國的碳空氣球到我們的空域來活動大概主要集中的都是在每一年的11月到隔年的4月因為配合到西南季風的推出可以讓碳空氣球飄到台海中線以東的相關的空域\n\n10:10.760 --> 10:38.374\n那對於這個部分來講今年為止已經有121顆的中共的探空氣球到台海空域來進行活動那我們認為說它可能除了一般的相關的科研研究以外也要注意到它有相關的軍事用途因為它可以收集相關的大器的數據那對於未來解放軍假如火箭軍或遠程火炮要進行攻擊的話這些數據都可以當作一個火炮試射當中要控制的這些大器的數據資料的參用的圖案\n\n10:40.435 --> 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