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00:00:51,718\n那我想因為它太容易左右我們的生活以虛擬貨幣來講我們它不是法定貨幣但是因為就像央行總裁的回應一樣說虛擬貨幣它無法調節波動價格波動然後效率低沒有球場管道又容易變成是不法人事所利用然後呢又變成是境外交易或者是逃避一些法律規範的這些等等\n\n3\n00:00:52,358 --> 00:01:07,876\n那我想虛擬貨幣現在雖然是金管會的業務啦但是因為沒有專法那也不曉得說是金管會想要下哪個機關也無可監管然後呢這個要用什麼樣的法則來\n\n4\n00:01:10,159 --> 00:01:17,265\n對於這種虛擬貨幣犯罪的法令來做一個處置那因為我們的專法草案還沒有出來現在指令委由這個虛擬通貨公會\n\n5\n00:01:25,593 --> 00:01:41,633\n明天要成立嘛對不對是的是明天要成立那它作為一個過度的一個空窗期的一個自立規範建立自立規範那剛剛有委員分別都提到說這些工會的成員本身就是涉案的一些指標型的一些當事人\n\n6\n00:01:43,515 --> 00:01:44,797\n金融監督管理委員會主席\n\n7\n00:02:06,294 --> 00:02:31,843\n要求的到什麼樣程度謝謝委員的關心剛剛委員其實提點很多事情確實是像比如說他到底是不是貨幣我想貨幣在學理上有幾個要件我想現在的虛擬資產都沒辦法吻合了所以這是大家很有爭議的事情那未來是不是那還要看眼鏡那剛才有提到說我們未來怎麼納管我剛才在那個報告裡面我們有講說我們現在是用堆積木的方式一層一層的納管\n\n8\n00:02:32,943 --> 00:02:57,415\n剛剛講的自律規範只是我們堆疊積木的第二層就是這個不是所有因為比如說我們前面已經按照《洗錢防制法》做洗房聲明任何人要做這個業務現在都要做要滿足我們《洗錢防制法》這個規定再來第二個才是剛剛委員指導的就是說明天工會成立工會成立開始有個對話的窗口這裡面我們在去年有頒訂的\n\n9\n00:02:59,557 --> 00:03:24,199\n這個蠻明確的指導原則我們希望他把這些指導原則直接納入到他的自律規範並加強管理我們希望他能夠有自我的自律法則這只是積木的第二層接下來第三層我們接下來修《洗錢防制法》科以所謂的個人避傷沒有登記的刑責最後一層才是我們講剛剛委員講的專法這個專法我們一層層疊上去希望對這個市場能夠好好的管理\n\n10\n00:03:26,021 --> 00:03:38,507\n主委,我想很多不肖的業者因為現在利用為了這個賭幣銀行法的規範所以都用這種虛擬貨幣去做一個地下的交易\n\n11\n00:03:42,321 --> 00:04:00,499\n金管會的現在的動作就是說透過你剛剛提到的這個你也做了一個說明但是最重要最重要還是要為了要完善整個虛擬資產的一個制度還有很長的一段路但是要快要快就是說我們一個設立專法要有一個專屬的虛擬資產的主要負責機關那這主要負責機關金管會對於說設立這個虛擬資產管理局\n\n12\n00:04:07,432 --> 00:04:07,552\n李卓人議員\n\n13\n00:04:30,475 --> 00:04:52,983\n因為我也有有有給我們那個指導甚至朝向部的發展當然未來如果能夠局的話我們也能夠爭取這樣的一個資源我還是不申請反而要講就是說嚴謹並迅速的制定出這個專法是重點然後呢社局的部分我們要怎麼樣修法怎麼樣這個都我想大家都會支持那\n\n14\n00:04:53,903 --> 00:05:22,442\n再來我要再說一個我覺得很有趣啦也是匪夷所思的一個問題因為為了要防這個主詐然後盜刷銀行公會27日已經提案到金管會要將這個遊戲點數還有錢包的儲值、電子禮券等三大類的刷卡消費延遲24小時生效設定的門檻是3000設定門檻是3000我認為這個是就是有點好玩啦有點好笑啦什麼叫好笑3000以下\n\n15\n00:05:23,263 --> 00:05:43,204\n不受規範那這些盜刷這些詐騙集團狂刷2900、2800還不是一樣嗎對不對你設一個3000門檻在那邊然後呢他不用3000他2900、2800所以這個東西我認為說當然我們設定了很多的這些這個\n\n16\n00:05:46,599 --> 00:06:07,490\n為了要防止盜刷、犯罪等等我們設定了我們有很多的政策然後也動用了跨部會的很多的這樣子的一個方法一個政策去執行但是到底有沒有一個強勢而有效的方法而不是做這樣子的一個其實如果現在這個詐騙1點如果現在是1.5被1.5帶的話我們這個如果我們防詐是1.5的話現在這些詐騙集團已經跑到3.0了\n\n17\n00:06:15,774 --> 00:06:16,855\n銀行公會提過媒體報導引發大家的關切\n\n18\n00:06:35,654 --> 00:07:01,366\n在我們委員會也有委員指證那實際上這個東西我們會再虛心的去檢討應該怎麼實施能夠兼顧到防詐以及我們消費權益這部分我們還在研議當中那至於說剛剛委員說希望我們未來更強而有力這就是我們今天站在這邊報告最重要的目的就希望透過法規還有我們的落實來執行我們希望能做到這一點\n\n19\n00:07:01,991 --> 00:07:13,986\n好謝謝主委強勢有效的方法最重要好謝謝主委請回那接下來請法務部我們的徐次長有許徐次長委員好次長好\n\n20\n00:07:20,006 --> 00:07:34,936\n市長那個6月6號我那個地院臺北地院審查虛擬交易商這個主謀採無罪答辯否認犯罪那他還強調說這個虛擬貨幣交易是創新產業因為法規不齊全他沒有這個詐欺的範疑\n\n21\n00:07:41,540 --> 00:07:45,801\n根據北檢起訴指控,當事人透過經營網牌等交易所將虛擬貨幣上架,操縱貨幣價格再由IMBA直銷團隊去對外推銷,謊騙這些民眾購買投資\n\n22\n00:08:05,607 --> 00:08:15,856\n詐騷得手近8億元有超過1290位的被害人提告涉及洗錢的金額超過22億所以次長這個部分不僅誇張我想就是說\n\n23\n00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:34,850\n犯罪之後毫無詭異毫無詭異然後用法規不齊全的理由要為自己脫罪那我只想要說就是說我這對阿局在今年3月的時候執行這種虛擬幣、電信、網路打詐的這些作為跟掃蕩\n\n24\n00:08:39,853 --> 00:09:03,173\n但是我們現在假避傷這起前的犯罪組織非常的多我們的打詐速度完全跟不上他們的創新速度東邊補起來西邊又破一塊那我很肯定我們警政署這些就是我們所有的這些在第一線打詐的這些人員在第一線在打擊詐騙這些人但是\n\n25\n00:09:06,576 --> 00:09:23,371\n如果沒有好的方法強勢而有效的方法那我們到底還能做什麼完全只能靠民眾自我的一個控管自己去防止被詐騙是這樣子嗎市長\n\n26\n00:09:25,232 --> 00:09:39,845\n報告委員我想委員剛才講的很多都是對的方向因為打詐絕對不是單面的說宣導宣導是最重要的一環就是要讓我們的民眾有那個意識接著我們跨部會要合作\n\n27\n00:09:40,365 --> 00:10:09,351\n那跨部會合作就是加強監管的一個效率以它的強度那從源頭就可以把這些管道這個吸收人民金錢的這些管道全部給堵起來那接著當然就是我們結合所有的司法機關我們努力的去查查這些詐騙的人員我想這是多面向的所有的人都要一起努力不是只有靠檢察官或者是警察調查局調查官我想只有靠我們是不夠的要全民動起來\n\n28\n00:10:10,977 --> 00:10:13,932\n市長我再說最近我常常接到一些陳情\n\n29\n00:10:16,209 --> 00:10:44,684\n就是我們的這些選民他直接接到電話直接電話來就告訴你他是某某地政事務所打來的電話然後地政事務所問他要不要借款需不需要貸款讓當事人非常的害怕那他怎麼會有他的資料這些資料到底是從哪個地政事務所流出來的那不只是這個因為你想一想\n\n30\n00:10:48,005 --> 00:11:13,711\n這個真正的這個在銀行業如果我們民眾去貸款之後去做這個貸款申請然後結果受到詐騙受到外面這個詐騙集團的一個欺騙還能透過協商或者是這個幫助當事人的方式跟銀行請求減輕負擔降低利息等等但是這一些在外面從事這種私人企業的一個放貸就是為了要賺錢\n\n31\n00:11:15,231 --> 00:11:29,819\n那這個部分詐騙集團他能夠拿到這些地政室事務所的名單往往都是因為有土地交易那這些人都需要現金所以他被詐騙的機會非常的大這部分主席我再一下快結束了\n\n32\n00:11:30,459 --> 00:11:56,951\n那另外就是我們很多民眾也接到這種詐騙集團假冒是自來水公司的名義來發送這種吹角水廢的簡訊然後誘導民眾連結到一個偽造的官方網站要求輸入信用卡等各自的問題這個部分非常的嚴重啦好不好我想還是不勝其反要拜託警政署相關機關要全力的來查緝防制是沒問題好謝謝好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5270\t12716\t主席、各位列席委員、各位官員、大家早主席我想請我們金管會主委有請彭主委主委好 委員好虛擬資產定力專法一直是全國關注的一個重點\n26055\t51718\t那我想因為它太容易左右我們的生活以虛擬貨幣來講我們它不是法定貨幣但是因為就像央行總裁的回應一樣說虛擬貨幣它無法調節波動價格波動然後效率低沒有球場管道又容易變成是不法人事所利用然後呢又變成是境外交易或者是逃避一些法律規範的這些等等\n52358\t67876\t那我想虛擬貨幣現在雖然是金管會的業務啦但是因為沒有專法那也不曉得說是金管會想要下哪個機關也無可監管然後呢這個要用什麼樣的法則來\n70159\t77265\t對於這種虛擬貨幣犯罪的法令來做一個處置那因為我們的專法草案還沒有出來現在指令委由這個虛擬通貨公會\n85593\t101633\t明天要成立嘛 對不對是的是明天要成立那它作為一個過度的一個空窗期的一個自立規範建立自立規範那剛剛有委員分別都提到說這些工會的成員本身就是涉案的一些指標型的一些當事人\n103515\t104797\t金融監督管理委員會主席\n126294\t151843\t要求的到什麼樣程度謝謝委員的關心剛剛委員其實提點很多事情確實是像比如說他到底是不是貨幣我想貨幣在學理上有幾個要件我想現在的虛擬資產都沒辦法吻合了所以這是大家很有爭議的事情那未來是不是那還要看眼鏡那剛才有提到說我們未來怎麼納管我剛才在那個報告裡面我們有講說我們現在是用堆積木的方式一層一層的納管\n152943\t177415\t剛剛講的自律規範只是我們堆疊積木的第二層就是這個不是所有因為比如說我們前面已經按照《洗錢防制法》做洗房聲明任何人要做這個業務現在都要做要滿足我們《洗錢防制法》這個規定再來第二個才是剛剛委員指導的就是說明天工會成立工會成立開始有個對話的窗口這裡面我們在去年有頒訂的\n179557\t204199\t這個蠻明確的指導原則我們希望他把這些指導原則直接納入到他的自律規範並加強管理我們希望他能夠有自我的自律法則這只是積木的第二層接下來第三層我們接下來修《洗錢防制法》科以所謂的個人避傷沒有登記的刑責最後一層才是我們講剛剛委員講的專法這個專法我們一層層疊上去希望對這個市場能夠好好的管理\n206021\t218507\t主委,我想很多不肖的業者因為現在利用為了這個賭幣銀行法的規範所以都用這種虛擬貨幣去做一個地下的交易\n222321\t240499\t金管會的現在的動作就是說透過你剛剛提到的這個你也做了一個說明但是最重要最重要還是要為了要完善整個虛擬資產的一個制度還有很長的一段路但是要快要快就是說我們一個設立專法要有一個專屬的虛擬資產的主要負責機關那這主要負責機關金管會對於說設立這個虛擬資產管理局\n247432\t247552\t李卓人議員\n270475\t292983\t因為我也有有有給我們那個指導甚至朝向部的發展當然未來如果能夠局的話我們也能夠爭取這樣的一個資源我還是不申請反而要講就是說嚴謹並迅速的制定出這個專法是重點然後呢社局的部分我們要怎麼樣修法怎麼樣這個都我想大家都會支持那\n293903\t322442\t再來我要再說一個我覺得很有趣啦也是匪夷所思的一個問題因為為了要防這個主詐然後盜刷銀行公會27日已經提案到金管會要將這個遊戲點數還有錢包的儲值、電子禮券等三大類的刷卡消費延遲24小時生效設定的門檻是3000設定門檻是3000我認為這個是就是有點好玩啦有點好笑啦什麼叫好笑3000以下\n323263\t343204\t不受規範那這些盜刷這些詐騙集團狂刷2900、2800還不是一樣嗎對不對你設一個3000門檻在那邊然後呢他不用3000他2900、2800所以這個東西我認為說當然我們設定了很多的這些這個\n346599\t367490\t為了要防止盜刷、犯罪等等我們設定了我們有很多的政策然後也動用了跨部會的很多的這樣子的一個方法一個政策去執行但是到底有沒有一個強勢而有效的方法而不是做這樣子的一個其實如果現在這個詐騙1點如果現在是1.5被1.5帶的話我們這個如果我們防詐是1.5的話現在這些詐騙集團已經跑到3.0了\n375774\t376855\t銀行公會提過媒體報導引發大家的關切\n395654\t421366\t在我們委員會也有委員指證那實際上這個東西我們會再虛心的去檢討應該怎麼實施能夠兼顧到防詐以及我們消費權益這部分我們還在研議當中那至於說剛剛委員說希望我們未來更強而有力這就是我們今天站在這邊報告最重要的目的就希望透過法規還有我們的落實來執行我們希望能做到這一點\n421991\t433986\t好 謝謝主委強勢有效的方法最重要好 謝謝主委請回那接下來請法務部我們的徐次長有許徐次長委員好次長好\n440006\t454936\t市長那個6月6號我那個地院臺北地院審查虛擬交易商這個主謀採無罪答辯否認犯罪那他還強調說這個虛擬貨幣交易是創新產業因為法規不齊全他沒有這個詐欺的範疑\n461540\t465801\t根據北檢起訴指控,當事人透過經營網牌等交易所將虛擬貨幣上架,操縱貨幣價格再由IMBA直銷團隊去對外推銷,謊騙這些民眾購買投資\n485607\t495856\t詐騷得手近8億元有超過1290位的被害人提告涉及洗錢的金額超過22億所以次長這個部分不僅誇張我想就是說\n500800\t514850\t犯罪之後毫無詭異毫無詭異然後用法規不齊全的理由要為自己脫罪那我只想要說就是說我這對阿局在今年3月的時候執行這種虛擬幣、電信、網路打詐的這些作為跟掃蕩\n519853\t543173\t但是我們現在假避傷這起前的犯罪組織非常的多我們的打詐速度完全跟不上他們的創新速度東邊補起來西邊又破一塊那我很肯定我們警政署這些就是我們所有的這些在第一線打詐的這些人員在第一線在打擊詐騙這些人但是\n546576\t563371\t如果沒有好的方法強勢而有效的方法那我們到底還能做什麼完全只能靠民眾自我的一個控管自己去防止被詐騙是這樣子嗎 市長\n565232\t579845\t報告委員我想委員剛才講的很多都是對的方向因為打詐絕對不是單面的說宣導宣導是最重要的一環就是要讓我們的民眾有那個意識接著我們跨部會要合作\n580365\t609351\t那跨部會合作就是加強監管的一個效率以它的強度那從源頭就可以把這些管道這個吸收人民金錢的這些管道全部給堵起來那接著當然就是我們結合所有的司法機關我們努力的去查查這些詐騙的人員我想這是多面向的所有的人都要一起努力不是只有靠檢察官或者是警察調查局調查官我想只有靠我們是不夠的要全民動起來\n610977\t613932\t市長我再說最近我常常接到一些陳情\n616209\t644684\t就是我們的這些選民他直接接到電話直接電話來就告訴你他是某某地政事務所打來的電話然後地政事務所問他要不要借款需不需要貸款讓當事人非常的害怕那他怎麼會有他的資料這些資料到底是從哪個地政事務所流出來的那不只是這個因為你想一想\n648005\t673711\t這個真正的這個在銀行業如果我們民眾去貸款之後去做這個貸款申請然後結果受到詐騙受到外面這個詐騙集團的一個欺騙還能透過協商或者是這個幫助當事人的方式跟銀行請求減輕負擔降低利息等等但是這一些在外面從事這種私人企業的一個放貸就是為了要賺錢\n675231\t689819\t那這個部分詐騙集團他能夠拿到這些地政室事務所的名單往往都是因為有土地交易那這些人都需要現金所以他被詐騙的機會非常的大這部分主席我再一下快結束了\n690459\t716951\t那另外就是我們很多民眾也接到這種詐騙集團假冒是自來水公司的名義來發送這種吹角水廢的簡訊然後誘導民眾連結到一個偽造的官方網站要求輸入信用卡等各自的問題這個部分非常的嚴重啦好不好我想還是不勝其反要拜託警政署相關機關要全力的來查緝防制是沒問題好謝謝好謝謝\n","txt":"主席、各位列席委員、各位官員、大家早主席我想請我們金管會主委有請彭主委主委好 委員好虛擬資產定力專法一直是全國關注的一個重點\n那我想因為它太容易左右我們的生活以虛擬貨幣來講我們它不是法定貨幣但是因為就像央行總裁的回應一樣說虛擬貨幣它無法調節波動價格波動然後效率低沒有球場管道又容易變成是不法人事所利用然後呢又變成是境外交易或者是逃避一些法律規範的這些等等\n那我想虛擬貨幣現在雖然是金管會的業務啦但是因為沒有專法那也不曉得說是金管會想要下哪個機關也無可監管然後呢這個要用什麼樣的法則來\n對於這種虛擬貨幣犯罪的法令來做一個處置那因為我們的專法草案還沒有出來現在指令委由這個虛擬通貨公會\n明天要成立嘛 對不對是的是明天要成立那它作為一個過度的一個空窗期的一個自立規範建立自立規範那剛剛有委員分別都提到說這些工會的成員本身就是涉案的一些指標型的一些當事人\n金融監督管理委員會主席\n要求的到什麼樣程度謝謝委員的關心剛剛委員其實提點很多事情確實是像比如說他到底是不是貨幣我想貨幣在學理上有幾個要件我想現在的虛擬資產都沒辦法吻合了所以這是大家很有爭議的事情那未來是不是那還要看眼鏡那剛才有提到說我們未來怎麼納管我剛才在那個報告裡面我們有講說我們現在是用堆積木的方式一層一層的納管\n剛剛講的自律規範只是我們堆疊積木的第二層就是這個不是所有因為比如說我們前面已經按照《洗錢防制法》做洗房聲明任何人要做這個業務現在都要做要滿足我們《洗錢防制法》這個規定再來第二個才是剛剛委員指導的就是說明天工會成立工會成立開始有個對話的窗口這裡面我們在去年有頒訂的\n這個蠻明確的指導原則我們希望他把這些指導原則直接納入到他的自律規範並加強管理我們希望他能夠有自我的自律法則這只是積木的第二層接下來第三層我們接下來修《洗錢防制法》科以所謂的個人避傷沒有登記的刑責最後一層才是我們講剛剛委員講的專法這個專法我們一層層疊上去希望對這個市場能夠好好的管理\n主委,我想很多不肖的業者因為現在利用為了這個賭幣銀行法的規範所以都用這種虛擬貨幣去做一個地下的交易\n金管會的現在的動作就是說透過你剛剛提到的這個你也做了一個說明但是最重要最重要還是要為了要完善整個虛擬資產的一個制度還有很長的一段路但是要快要快就是說我們一個設立專法要有一個專屬的虛擬資產的主要負責機關那這主要負責機關金管會對於說設立這個虛擬資產管理局\n李卓人議員\n因為我也有有有給我們那個指導甚至朝向部的發展當然未來如果能夠局的話我們也能夠爭取這樣的一個資源我還是不申請反而要講就是說嚴謹並迅速的制定出這個專法是重點然後呢社局的部分我們要怎麼樣修法怎麼樣這個都我想大家都會支持那\n再來我要再說一個我覺得很有趣啦也是匪夷所思的一個問題因為為了要防這個主詐然後盜刷銀行公會27日已經提案到金管會要將這個遊戲點數還有錢包的儲值、電子禮券等三大類的刷卡消費延遲24小時生效設定的門檻是3000設定門檻是3000我認為這個是就是有點好玩啦有點好笑啦什麼叫好笑3000以下\n不受規範那這些盜刷這些詐騙集團狂刷2900、2800還不是一樣嗎對不對你設一個3000門檻在那邊然後呢他不用3000他2900、2800所以這個東西我認為說當然我們設定了很多的這些這個\n為了要防止盜刷、犯罪等等我們設定了我們有很多的政策然後也動用了跨部會的很多的這樣子的一個方法一個政策去執行但是到底有沒有一個強勢而有效的方法而不是做這樣子的一個其實如果現在這個詐騙1點如果現在是1.5被1.5帶的話我們這個如果我們防詐是1.5的話現在這些詐騙集團已經跑到3.0了\n銀行公會提過媒體報導引發大家的關切\n在我們委員會也有委員指證那實際上這個東西我們會再虛心的去檢討應該怎麼實施能夠兼顧到防詐以及我們消費權益這部分我們還在研議當中那至於說剛剛委員說希望我們未來更強而有力這就是我們今天站在這邊報告最重要的目的就希望透過法規還有我們的落實來執行我們希望能做到這一點\n好 謝謝主委強勢有效的方法最重要好 謝謝主委請回那接下來請法務部我們的徐次長有許徐次長委員好次長好\n市長那個6月6號我那個地院臺北地院審查虛擬交易商這個主謀採無罪答辯否認犯罪那他還強調說這個虛擬貨幣交易是創新產業因為法規不齊全他沒有這個詐欺的範疑\n根據北檢起訴指控,當事人透過經營網牌等交易所將虛擬貨幣上架,操縱貨幣價格再由IMBA直銷團隊去對外推銷,謊騙這些民眾購買投資\n詐騷得手近8億元有超過1290位的被害人提告涉及洗錢的金額超過22億所以次長這個部分不僅誇張我想就是說\n犯罪之後毫無詭異毫無詭異然後用法規不齊全的理由要為自己脫罪那我只想要說就是說我這對阿局在今年3月的時候執行這種虛擬幣、電信、網路打詐的這些作為跟掃蕩\n但是我們現在假避傷這起前的犯罪組織非常的多我們的打詐速度完全跟不上他們的創新速度東邊補起來西邊又破一塊那我很肯定我們警政署這些就是我們所有的這些在第一線打詐的這些人員在第一線在打擊詐騙這些人但是\n如果沒有好的方法強勢而有效的方法那我們到底還能做什麼完全只能靠民眾自我的一個控管自己去防止被詐騙是這樣子嗎 市長\n報告委員我想委員剛才講的很多都是對的方向因為打詐絕對不是單面的說宣導宣導是最重要的一環就是要讓我們的民眾有那個意識接著我們跨部會要合作\n那跨部會合作就是加強監管的一個效率以它的強度那從源頭就可以把這些管道這個吸收人民金錢的這些管道全部給堵起來那接著當然就是我們結合所有的司法機關我們努力的去查查這些詐騙的人員我想這是多面向的所有的人都要一起努力不是只有靠檢察官或者是警察調查局調查官我想只有靠我們是不夠的要全民動起來\n市長我再說最近我常常接到一些陳情\n就是我們的這些選民他直接接到電話直接電話來就告訴你他是某某地政事務所打來的電話然後地政事務所問他要不要借款需不需要貸款讓當事人非常的害怕那他怎麼會有他的資料這些資料到底是從哪個地政事務所流出來的那不只是這個因為你想一想\n這個真正的這個在銀行業如果我們民眾去貸款之後去做這個貸款申請然後結果受到詐騙受到外面這個詐騙集團的一個欺騙還能透過協商或者是這個幫助當事人的方式跟銀行請求減輕負擔降低利息等等但是這一些在外面從事這種私人企業的一個放貸就是為了要賺錢\n那這個部分詐騙集團他能夠拿到這些地政室事務所的名單往往都是因為有土地交易那這些人都需要現金所以他被詐騙的機會非常的大這部分主席我再一下快結束了\n那另外就是我們很多民眾也接到這種詐騙集團假冒是自來水公司的名義來發送這種吹角水廢的簡訊然後誘導民眾連結到一個偽造的官方網站要求輸入信用卡等各自的問題這個部分非常的嚴重啦好不好我想還是不勝其反要拜託警政署相關機關要全力的來查緝防制是沒問題好謝謝好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.270 --> 00:12.716\n主席、各位列席委員、各位官員、大家早主席我想請我們金管會主委有請彭主委主委好委員好虛擬資產定力專法一直是全國關注的一個重點\n\n00:26.055 --> 00:51.718\n那我想因為它太容易左右我們的生活以虛擬貨幣來講我們它不是法定貨幣但是因為就像央行總裁的回應一樣說虛擬貨幣它無法調節波動價格波動然後效率低沒有球場管道又容易變成是不法人事所利用然後呢又變成是境外交易或者是逃避一些法律規範的這些等等\n\n00:52.358 --> 01:07.876\n那我想虛擬貨幣現在雖然是金管會的業務啦但是因為沒有專法那也不曉得說是金管會想要下哪個機關也無可監管然後呢這個要用什麼樣的法則來\n\n01:10.159 --> 01:17.265\n對於這種虛擬貨幣犯罪的法令來做一個處置那因為我們的專法草案還沒有出來現在指令委由這個虛擬通貨公會\n\n01:25.593 --> 01:41.633\n明天要成立嘛對不對是的是明天要成立那它作為一個過度的一個空窗期的一個自立規範建立自立規範那剛剛有委員分別都提到說這些工會的成員本身就是涉案的一些指標型的一些當事人\n\n01:43.515 --> 01:44.797\n金融監督管理委員會主席\n\n02:06.294 --> 02:31.843\n要求的到什麼樣程度謝謝委員的關心剛剛委員其實提點很多事情確實是像比如說他到底是不是貨幣我想貨幣在學理上有幾個要件我想現在的虛擬資產都沒辦法吻合了所以這是大家很有爭議的事情那未來是不是那還要看眼鏡那剛才有提到說我們未來怎麼納管我剛才在那個報告裡面我們有講說我們現在是用堆積木的方式一層一層的納管\n\n02:32.943 --> 02:57.415\n剛剛講的自律規範只是我們堆疊積木的第二層就是這個不是所有因為比如說我們前面已經按照《洗錢防制法》做洗房聲明任何人要做這個業務現在都要做要滿足我們《洗錢防制法》這個規定再來第二個才是剛剛委員指導的就是說明天工會成立工會成立開始有個對話的窗口這裡面我們在去年有頒訂的\n\n02:59.557 --> 03:24.199\n這個蠻明確的指導原則我們希望他把這些指導原則直接納入到他的自律規範並加強管理我們希望他能夠有自我的自律法則這只是積木的第二層接下來第三層我們接下來修《洗錢防制法》科以所謂的個人避傷沒有登記的刑責最後一層才是我們講剛剛委員講的專法這個專法我們一層層疊上去希望對這個市場能夠好好的管理\n\n03:26.021 --> 03:38.507\n主委,我想很多不肖的業者因為現在利用為了這個賭幣銀行法的規範所以都用這種虛擬貨幣去做一個地下的交易\n\n03:42.321 --> 04:00.499\n金管會的現在的動作就是說透過你剛剛提到的這個你也做了一個說明但是最重要最重要還是要為了要完善整個虛擬資產的一個制度還有很長的一段路但是要快要快就是說我們一個設立專法要有一個專屬的虛擬資產的主要負責機關那這主要負責機關金管會對於說設立這個虛擬資產管理局\n\n04:07.432 --> 04:07.552\n李卓人議員\n\n04:30.475 --> 04:52.983\n因為我也有有有給我們那個指導甚至朝向部的發展當然未來如果能夠局的話我們也能夠爭取這樣的一個資源我還是不申請反而要講就是說嚴謹並迅速的制定出這個專法是重點然後呢社局的部分我們要怎麼樣修法怎麼樣這個都我想大家都會支持那\n\n04:53.903 --> 05:22.442\n再來我要再說一個我覺得很有趣啦也是匪夷所思的一個問題因為為了要防這個主詐然後盜刷銀行公會27日已經提案到金管會要將這個遊戲點數還有錢包的儲值、電子禮券等三大類的刷卡消費延遲24小時生效設定的門檻是3000設定門檻是3000我認為這個是就是有點好玩啦有點好笑啦什麼叫好笑3000以下\n\n05:23.263 --> 05:43.204\n不受規範那這些盜刷這些詐騙集團狂刷2900、2800還不是一樣嗎對不對你設一個3000門檻在那邊然後呢他不用3000他2900、2800所以這個東西我認為說當然我們設定了很多的這些這個\n\n05:46.599 --> 06:07.490\n為了要防止盜刷、犯罪等等我們設定了我們有很多的政策然後也動用了跨部會的很多的這樣子的一個方法一個政策去執行但是到底有沒有一個強勢而有效的方法而不是做這樣子的一個其實如果現在這個詐騙1點如果現在是1.5被1.5帶的話我們這個如果我們防詐是1.5的話現在這些詐騙集團已經跑到3.0了\n\n06:15.774 --> 06:16.855\n銀行公會提過媒體報導引發大家的關切\n\n06:35.654 --> 07:01.366\n在我們委員會也有委員指證那實際上這個東西我們會再虛心的去檢討應該怎麼實施能夠兼顧到防詐以及我們消費權益這部分我們還在研議當中那至於說剛剛委員說希望我們未來更強而有力這就是我們今天站在這邊報告最重要的目的就希望透過法規還有我們的落實來執行我們希望能做到這一點\n\n07:01.991 --> 07:13.986\n好謝謝主委強勢有效的方法最重要好謝謝主委請回那接下來請法務部我們的徐次長有許徐次長委員好次長好\n\n07:20.006 --> 07:34.936\n市長那個6月6號我那個地院臺北地院審查虛擬交易商這個主謀採無罪答辯否認犯罪那他還強調說這個虛擬貨幣交易是創新產業因為法規不齊全他沒有這個詐欺的範疑\n\n07:41.540 --> 07:45.801\n根據北檢起訴指控,當事人透過經營網牌等交易所將虛擬貨幣上架,操縱貨幣價格再由IMBA直銷團隊去對外推銷,謊騙這些民眾購買投資\n\n08:05.607 --> 08:15.856\n詐騷得手近8億元有超過1290位的被害人提告涉及洗錢的金額超過22億所以次長這個部分不僅誇張我想就是說\n\n08:20.800 --> 08:34.850\n犯罪之後毫無詭異毫無詭異然後用法規不齊全的理由要為自己脫罪那我只想要說就是說我這對阿局在今年3月的時候執行這種虛擬幣、電信、網路打詐的這些作為跟掃蕩\n\n08:39.853 --> 09:03.173\n但是我們現在假避傷這起前的犯罪組織非常的多我們的打詐速度完全跟不上他們的創新速度東邊補起來西邊又破一塊那我很肯定我們警政署這些就是我們所有的這些在第一線打詐的這些人員在第一線在打擊詐騙這些人但是\n\n09:06.576 --> 09:23.371\n如果沒有好的方法強勢而有效的方法那我們到底還能做什麼完全只能靠民眾自我的一個控管自己去防止被詐騙是這樣子嗎市長\n\n09:25.232 --> 09:39.845\n報告委員我想委員剛才講的很多都是對的方向因為打詐絕對不是單面的說宣導宣導是最重要的一環就是要讓我們的民眾有那個意識接著我們跨部會要合作\n\n09:40.365 --> 10:09.351\n那跨部會合作就是加強監管的一個效率以它的強度那從源頭就可以把這些管道這個吸收人民金錢的這些管道全部給堵起來那接著當然就是我們結合所有的司法機關我們努力的去查查這些詐騙的人員我想這是多面向的所有的人都要一起努力不是只有靠檢察官或者是警察調查局調查官我想只有靠我們是不夠的要全民動起來\n\n10:10.977 --> 10:13.932\n市長我再說最近我常常接到一些陳情\n\n10:16.209 --> 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