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00:02:00,862\n那有沒有想過一些公部門在哪些方面可以很迅速的導入AI優化這個行政流程呢?\n\n6\n00:02:02,458 --> 00:02:21,406\n這個部分就我了解就是各單位都有用到CHAPGDP然後去主要去做資料的搜尋報表的整理那本席舉幾個例子給這個國發會主委建議譬如這個交通管控系統可以透過AI適度的來減少員警的工作量\n\n7\n00:02:22,026 --> 00:02:37,334\n然後減少用路人的行車時間包括各級政府的1999通報系統也可以透過AI的運用來提高服務品質那包括各級司法單位的意識系統都可以\n\n8\n00:02:37,694 --> 00:02:52,875\n用AI來協助書記官做筆錄甚至可以更公正客觀這都仰賴國發會去制定一套進程讓各級政府可以去遵守請問主委你覺得本席所提的這個您同意嗎\n\n9\n00:02:54,057 --> 00:03:20,235\n這一點我同意也順便跟委員報告這些我過去在一些地方政府也規劃過類似的專案譬如說救護車經過的時候透過5G沿路就可以亮綠燈然後車上跟計程車連線就可以開始控制那有些醫院現在也開始導入這樣的系統所以希望未來提AI化的部分絕對不要忘記增列我們行政機關其實也迫切需要導入一些AI的這個系統\n\n10\n00:03:21,996 --> 00:03:24,559\n那我可不可以請經濟部長也一起上來請過部長部長就是說今天我們討論AI的議題那AI的伺服器耗電量是傳統伺服器的3至20倍以上大家都知道包括說這個GPT每天\n\n11\n00:03:45,216 --> 00:03:48,418\n在美國是要耗56萬度電大約是我們台灣這個每日4萬戶的平均用電量那這樣子來說我們的這個電力問題我也想部長跟主委必須要重視因為現在我們的半導體主要競爭對手就是韓國\n\n12\n00:04:06,829 --> 00:04:08,311\n韓國他現在一直在操作說我們台灣有能源問題所以我們政府一定要不要再粉飾太平了你看這麼多的韓國集體的在抹黑我們\n\n13\n00:04:21,766 --> 00:04:27,510\n不要說抹黑啦搞不好我們真的有這個問題我們不能不再去重視這個問題因為不只韓國連美國的財經媒體CNBC都報導身為全球半導體的這個重鎮台灣正面臨電力短缺的疑慮你看美國寫了這麼一大篇\n\n14\n00:04:43,322 --> 00:05:05,807\n那比爾蓋茲投資的泰拉能源也在昨天宣布要蓋這個新的核電廠那NVIDIA的黃仁勳執行長他在離開台灣之前他也說他說台灣的能源問題將會是他設廠的一大挑戰那你們都說不用擔心可不可以告訴我為什麼我們不用擔心能源問題報告委員我們現在\n\n15\n00:05:10,165 --> 00:05:17,377\n不用擔心的意思就是我的供電的容量跟需求我的供電還是大於需求的\n\n16\n00:05:19,025 --> 00:05:42,878\n就是您自己說的你們要推動這個AI未來會增加每年3%以上的用電那這個核電減少之後核三廠退役之後我們還會有個7%的電力缺口加起來有10%的電力缺口你現在告訴我不用擔心的理由到底是什麼我們為什麼可以不用擔心我們在之前就已經把這個都考慮進去了\n\n17\n00:05:44,929 --> 00:05:45,370\n我們的基礎是在這幾年會一直上來\n\n18\n00:06:02,028 --> 00:06:05,931\n怎麼上來?有哪些基礎?可不可以一一跟我說明說有哪些發電的基礎是今年、明年會跟上可以補正10%的缺口之外還可以再支持AI產業來推動?報告委員,我可以請台電的總經理跟您\n\n19\n00:06:20,023 --> 00:06:37,275\n我想要部長說因為部長本來包括主委都告訴我說核能是選項之一結果最近你們兩位都轉向了我想要知道說兩位是不是有受到上級單位指示說不要再講你們支持核能了我們過去個人的這個\n\n20\n00:06:45,137 --> 00:06:50,701\n言論我想這個是有時間的差還差不到幾天就變化這麼大你告訴我是因為時間差時空背景不一樣本席不能接受所以部長跟主委我真心希望你們不要違背你們自己的初衷你們是產業界的希望這是未來我們台灣放眼50年產業界的希望是決定在你們現在\n\n21\n00:07:14,500 --> 00:07:35,177\n所以你們一定要拿出大刀闊斧的精神講出實話讓我們台灣面對能源有問題能源供應有問題的真相你不要在這裡告訴我說沒有問題我們都準備好了你們準備好的東西在哪裡在哪裡到目前為止從早上到現在沒有一個講得出說我們能源問題有解決的方法在哪裡\n\n22\n00:07:42,523 --> 00:08:00,054\n我們還是有發電的基礎會在未來的45年不斷的上來所以我們到2030年的時候我們會有產生900多萬千瓦的電然後我們實際需求只有700\n\n23\n00:08:01,315 --> 00:08:04,457\n那部長我問你喔就在你上任之前你知道桃園兩個月跳多少次電嗎?報告委員桃園跳了50幾次欸50幾次欸而且還在全台灣就只有備載容量3%就要全台大停電的狀態之下了所以部長還有主委我真心希望你們要認真的去考慮這個問題而且呢是不是可以\n\n24\n00:08:29,352 --> 00:08:48,140\n向本委員會提出說你們具體的因應方式是什麼你們具體的告訴我們說不用擔心缺電的理由是什麼而不是在告訴我說不用擔心我們絕對沒有問題這樣子的話我不只是本委員會沒有辦法相信甚至整個國際我們的競爭對手韓國還有\n\n25\n00:08:52,082 --> 00:08:55,887\n這個美國他們要不要投資他們都在觀察我們台灣的這個能源的這個政策那是不是可以有一些具體的說法說服本委員會也說服這些外媒讓他們知道說我們台灣的確是才有競爭力的\n\n26\n00:09:09,502 --> 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GDP然後去主要去做資料的搜尋報表的整理那本席舉幾個例子給這個國發會主委建議譬如這個交通管控系統可以透過AI適度的來減少員警的工作量\n然後減少用路人的行車時間包括各級政府的1999通報系統也可以透過AI的運用來提高服務品質那包括各級司法單位的意識系統都可以\n用AI來協助書記官做筆錄甚至可以更公正客觀這都仰賴國發會去制定一套進程讓各級政府可以去遵守請問主委你覺得本席所提的這個您同意嗎\n這一點我同意也順便跟委員報告這些我過去在一些地方政府也規劃過類似的專案譬如說救護車經過的時候透過5G沿路就可以亮綠燈然後車上跟計程車連線就可以開始控制那有些醫院現在也開始導入這樣的系統所以希望未來提AI化的部分絕對不要忘記增列我們行政機關其實也迫切需要導入一些AI的這個系統\n那我可不可以請經濟部長也一起上來請過部長部長就是說今天我們討論AI的議題那AI的伺服器耗電量是傳統伺服器的3至20倍以上大家都知道包括說這個GPT每天\n在美國是要耗56萬度電大約是我們台灣這個每日4萬戶的平均用電量那這樣子來說我們的這個電力問題我也想部長跟主委必須要重視因為現在我們的半導體主要競爭對手就是韓國\n韓國他現在一直在操作說我們台灣有能源問題所以我們政府一定要不要再粉飾太平了你看這麼多的韓國集體的在抹黑我們\n不要說抹黑啦搞不好我們真的有這個問題我們不能不再去重視這個問題因為不只韓國連美國的財經媒體CNBC都報導身為全球半導體的這個重鎮台灣正面臨電力短缺的疑慮你看美國寫了這麼一大篇\n那比爾蓋茲投資的泰拉能源也在昨天宣布要蓋這個新的核電廠那NVIDIA的黃仁勳執行長他在離開台灣之前他也說他說台灣的能源問題將會是他設廠的一大挑戰那你們都說不用擔心可不可以告訴我為什麼我們不用擔心能源問題報告委員我們現在\n不用擔心的意思就是我的供電的容量跟需求我的供電還是大於需求的\n就是您自己說的你們要推動這個AI未來會增加每年3%以上的用電那這個核電減少之後核三廠退役之後我們還會有個7%的電力缺口加起來有10%的電力缺口你現在告訴我不用擔心的理由到底是什麼我們為什麼可以不用擔心我們在之前就已經把這個都考慮進去了\n我們的基礎是在這幾年會一直上來\n怎麼上來?有哪些基礎?可不可以一一跟我說明說有哪些發電的基礎是今年、明年會跟上可以補正10%的缺口之外還可以再支持AI產業來推動?報告委員,我可以請台電的總經理跟您\n我想要部長說因為部長本來包括主委都告訴我說核能是選項之一結果最近你們兩位都轉向了我想要知道說兩位是不是有受到上級單位指示說不要再講你們支持核能了我們過去個人的這個\n言論我想這個是有時間的差還差不到幾天就變化這麼大你告訴我是因為時間差時空背景不一樣本席不能接受所以部長跟主委我真心希望你們不要違背你們自己的初衷你們是產業界的希望這是未來我們台灣放眼50年產業界的希望是決定在你們現在\n所以你們一定要拿出大刀闊斧的精神講出實話讓我們台灣面對能源有問題能源供應有問題的真相你不要在這裡告訴我說沒有問題我們都準備好了你們準備好的東西在哪裡在哪裡到目前為止從早上到現在沒有一個講得出說我們能源問題有解決的方法在哪裡\n我們還是有發電的基礎會在未來的45年不斷的上來所以我們到2030年的時候我們會有產生900多萬千瓦的電然後我們實際需求只有700\n那部長我問你喔就在你上任之前你知道桃園兩個月跳多少次電嗎?報告委員桃園跳了50幾次欸50幾次欸而且還在全台灣就只有備載容量3%就要全台大停電的狀態之下了所以部長還有主委我真心希望你們要認真的去考慮這個問題而且呢是不是可以\n向本委員會提出說你們具體的因應方式是什麼你們具體的告訴我們說不用擔心缺電的理由是什麼而不是在告訴我說不用擔心我們絕對沒有問題這樣子的話我不只是本委員會沒有辦法相信甚至整個國際我們的競爭對手韓國還有\n這個美國他們要不要投資他們都在觀察我們台灣的這個能源的這個政策那是不是可以有一些具體的說法說服本委員會也說服這些外媒讓他們知道說我們台灣的確是才有競爭力的\n包括委員我們會把這個未來每一年增加多少然後這個會降多少然後從哪裡增加從什麼機組增加對包括說這些機組到底它的它蓋到什麼程度它會不會有其他的原因去影響它供電的這個程度呢這個我們會提供這個我們會提供好 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03:20.235\n這一點我同意也順便跟委員報告這些我過去在一些地方政府也規劃過類似的專案譬如說救護車經過的時候透過5G沿路就可以亮綠燈然後車上跟計程車連線就可以開始控制那有些醫院現在也開始導入這樣的系統所以希望未來提AI化的部分絕對不要忘記增列我們行政機關其實也迫切需要導入一些AI的這個系統\n\n03:21.996 --> 03:24.559\n那我可不可以請經濟部長也一起上來請過部長部長就是說今天我們討論AI的議題那AI的伺服器耗電量是傳統伺服器的3至20倍以上大家都知道包括說這個GPT每天\n\n03:45.216 --> 03:48.418\n在美國是要耗56萬度電大約是我們台灣這個每日4萬戶的平均用電量那這樣子來說我們的這個電力問題我也想部長跟主委必須要重視因為現在我們的半導體主要競爭對手就是韓國\n\n04:06.829 --> 04:08.311\n韓國他現在一直在操作說我們台灣有能源問題所以我們政府一定要不要再粉飾太平了你看這麼多的韓國集體的在抹黑我們\n\n04:21.766 --> 04:27.510\n不要說抹黑啦搞不好我們真的有這個問題我們不能不再去重視這個問題因為不只韓國連美國的財經媒體CNBC都報導身為全球半導體的這個重鎮台灣正面臨電力短缺的疑慮你看美國寫了這麼一大篇\n\n04:43.322 --> 05:05.807\n那比爾蓋茲投資的泰拉能源也在昨天宣布要蓋這個新的核電廠那NVIDIA的黃仁勳執行長他在離開台灣之前他也說他說台灣的能源問題將會是他設廠的一大挑戰那你們都說不用擔心可不可以告訴我為什麼我們不用擔心能源問題報告委員我們現在\n\n05:10.165 --> 05:17.377\n不用擔心的意思就是我的供電的容量跟需求我的供電還是大於需求的\n\n05:19.025 --> 05:42.878\n就是您自己說的你們要推動這個AI未來會增加每年3%以上的用電那這個核電減少之後核三廠退役之後我們還會有個7%的電力缺口加起來有10%的電力缺口你現在告訴我不用擔心的理由到底是什麼我們為什麼可以不用擔心我們在之前就已經把這個都考慮進去了\n\n05:44.929 --> 05:45.370\n我們的基礎是在這幾年會一直上來\n\n06:02.028 --> 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