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00:01:18,666\n所以處以的罰還該等等其實都沒有好好的來進行果然諸位啊真的是出事了那麼對於這樣的一個星光人壽、吳東靜現在以議員交保議員這個金額非常高喔是吧如果是以一般的案件來講我認為過去金管會面對立法委員質詢的時候要求如果你們只是約談、交報告、裁罰、減薪\n\n4\n00:01:21,747 --> 00:01:47,648\n包括他們的整體的公司治理比如說像金管會為什麼會退他們的報告他們的KYC包括星光銀行對於IMB的事件等等包括我曾經質詢過星光金控是國內14家的業者當中唯一游營轉虧等等現在我要面臨的問題是新售現在正在進行125億元的增資\n\n5\n00:01:51,380 --> 00:02:13,056\n金管會現在怎麼來看這個增資案會不會受到影響那麼如果受到影響的話後續該怎麼處理金管會面對這樣的一個案件我知道有些委員會說啊這個是不是一個政治案件但是我先把大前提說在前面如果任何一個非法都扣上政治辦案那我說了\n\n6\n00:02:13,973 --> 00:02:40,324\n法院可以收起來了檢察官也不用辦案了調查局也不用查案了因為就會成為所有犯罪者的一個脫逃的一個標籤我現在在乎的是一個整體的金融穩定目前新售125億的增資還在增資當中過去它的RBC一直都是不足到200%所以現在你怎麼來看整體的金融市場會不會受到影響\n\n7\n00:02:41,266 --> 00:03:07,864\n是謝謝委員我想維持金融市場的穩定以及市場的公平這是金管會責無旁貸剛剛委員講說對於過去的質詢對於金管會的指證我想我們都會銘記在心而且我們也都持續的依法在辦理剛剛委員提到說難道我們沒有其他的工具了嗎其實我們是一個行政主管機關我們依保險法裡面擁有的職權我們會\n\n8\n00:03:10,325 --> 00:03:30,272\n該怎麼做我們就怎麼做至於說大股東個人的行為我剛剛已經表達過了這是大股東個人的行為我們關注的是整個金控公司以及他所屬的金融機構的穩定性這個剛剛委員的指正我們都會持續來講至於說剛剛您提到曾之漢是否受到影響\n\n9\n00:03:31,212 --> 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