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00:00:12,918\n我們陳昌明委員貼心的提醒謝謝接下來我們請賴瑞榮委員請做詢答那麼我們中午不休息一直到今天會議結束謝謝請發言好謝謝昭偉我先請那個劉朱偉跟郭部長我們請兩位好\n\n2\n00:00:21,502 --> 00:00:47,039\n主委跟部長辛苦了總統其實在6月4號的台北國際電腦展其實有提到未來的三大的發展策略是把台灣打造成AI島我先請教兩位國務長就是AI這件事情其實經濟部也做了相當長一段時間那現在投入多少資源未來一定要投入多少資源來爭取讓台灣成為AI島甚至更多的國際大廠來到台灣來投資\n\n3\n00:00:49,202 --> 00:01:09,854\n報告委員我們現在就是積極的在對國外的大廠來請他們來台灣投資那麼研發中心或者數據中心那剛才我想順便在這邊補充一下我們在邀請國際大廠來台灣的時候因為我們現在的人才就可能剛才陳委員他在講的\n\n4\n00:01:11,455 --> 00:01:35,210\n就是怕擔心這樣子所以我們現在改變改變的就是說他要來台灣如果每一家公司要一千位人才我們都希望他帶進50%的人才進來這部分都是由我自己在溝通所以我們現在目前大概談了三家就是要來台灣設數據中心的那麼他應該是不會發生來我們台灣搶人才的這個現象\n\n5\n00:01:36,371 --> 00:02:05,311\n哪三家可以講嗎這個是保密那個可不可以請司長也補充一下吧我們過去來花的錢跟未來一定要投入的錢好不好我們應該花了相當多的經費了啦司長要不要補充一下我們如果是連包含外商補助的錢的話幫一些技術的一些研發外商的一些補助的話超過100億以上超過100億了啦包括所以現在在進行當中不管是輝達或是AMD都是啦政府都投入了錢\n\n6\n00:02:05,871 --> 00:02:29,203\n就像當年在半導體產業我們也投入相當多的資源然後引進來台灣這個也在做部長我也希望未來持續好不好就是說一方面當然是國家資源當然我們希望把AI島建立起來的話就需要投入更多的資源我們希望這個持續來進行那再來問一下國發會主委好不好國發會未來我們再請主委主委對包括國發基金包括一定要投入多少資源來做這件事情\n\n7\n00:02:30,303 --> 00:02:50,497\n國家基金目前我們是已經同意目前是同意速發部我們投入第一個是100億的創業創新基金專門給AI的部分那另外其實我們另外之前有有Funding這個經濟部大概100億那現在用了7億還有90多億所以投入200億的一個\n\n8\n00:02:51,898 --> 00:03:12,693\n之外我們今年也匡列國發基金的投資可以有到188億所以這些都可以拿來運用那其中專注AI的至少有100億如果我們要落實這樣的AI導的概念的話事實上當然政府的投入重要然後看國發基金還有包括經濟或相關資源都是重要的一環我們希望來整個匡列出來\n\n9\n00:03:13,473 --> 00:03:27,961\n那我要提醒的是這個到現在為止其實全台灣當然是不缺電但是其實北部電力上是有缺口的電力上有缺口南部的在如果沒有更新那個統計其實有470萬的一個缺口北部\n\n10\n00:03:29,442 --> 00:03:52,068\n臺灣的南部的部分,高雄是有,我也講過很多次,高雄用電60%,40%是中宋北宋那現在還在,包括新達跟大嶺燃氣機組都還在興建那我要講的是說,就是不斷的提醒這件事情,區域均衡發展上不要讓南部在電力上面不斷的供應的同時的時候,產業的聚落都形成在北部\n\n11\n00:03:52,848 --> 00:04:14,604\n所以現在包括大家在談的很多不管是從輝達或者是AMD的部分都在談的這個研發中心的投資的時候那我們希望這些思考不要比如說像輝達現在傳起來有可能大家考慮的點是臺北、台南、高雄但我們希望他能夠更清楚的知道我剛剛講到政府其實是有給予補助\n\n12\n00:04:16,945 --> 00:04:41,491\n這個補貼的那我們希望這樣在引導的過程中也要不斷讓他們知道說一方面政府希望南北兩大核心的發展這個AI生態系統是應該南北聚落多去完成它這個才是北部相對容易完成但是南部會比較辛苦一點但是也就是因為這樣而政府要施加一些力道包括電力的部分當南部這麼充分供應電力說AI也是相當耗掉相當多的電力的時候那更應該往\n\n13\n00:04:42,811 --> 00:05:01,304\n南部來移動。」我先問一下部長同意這樣的看法嗎?報告委員我想我們經濟部的立場就是所有的外商要來台灣我們都歡迎到達哪一個城市我們尊重他的選擇不過我在這邊跟委員報告廠商他在選擇的時候不會只考慮水跟電\n\n14\n00:05:03,223 --> 00:05:20,168\n他考慮的是他可以找到多少人所以水、電、人才包括場地都是重要的一些據點但是這個東西一定要不斷的長期的去做如果我們有意識去處理的話所有的東西基本北部的據落是容易形成的所以我還講的是\n\n15\n00:05:20,788 --> 00:05:49,800\n既然國家有資源下去的時候南部的聚落也形成的時候為什麼我們現在講南北兩大AI的聚落也就是這樣希望它能夠有一個形成好的一個聚落的方式那如果只是順著所有的話那基本上你可以預期基本上多數都會在台北所以我還希望說這件事情部長要很有意識的那我也知道現在經濟部有一些計畫在進行當中我也希望部長能夠承諾既有進行的計畫不要去改變跟影響到好嗎\n\n16\n00:05:51,080 --> 00:06:14,645\n我們不會去影響既有進行的計畫進行這種計畫務必要去落實來完成是的好那接下來請教一下主委因為時間非常有限主委認同我這樣的看法嗎就國發基金的投入之後我也希望南北兩大那我知道現在國發會跟數法部有在進行一些南北的這個AI的生態系統AI生態園區的這樣的一個概念\n\n17\n00:06:16,465 --> 00:06:35,680\n主委,朝這個方向來規劃,讓實體園區讓南北形成兩大聚落,主委同意這樣的看法嗎?是的,均衡台灣是總統的政策,所以我們會落實這個政策實體園區其實是個政策嘛,我要講啦,當時我知道有一些壓力之後又變成虛擬,如果走為虛擬的話,那其實就是空的嘛\n\n18\n00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:56,025\n其實它一定要是實體而且台灣的兩大聚落必然是南北兩大聚落北部以台北為核心包括到新竹這一塊是一定是一個聚落南部一定是以高雄跟台南為核心的一個聚落而現在不管是從亞灣或者是台南的這個南科的園區等等其實都看得出來其實已經有聚落形成了包括\n\n19\n00:06:57,265 --> 00:07:14,896\n臺積電的一個進駐等我認為那個聚落已經形成那現在是要政府更加大那個力道那我也希望在實體園區的部分國發會未來能夠大力支持這個實體園區南北兩大聚落完成主委可以嗎可以可以這個請主委那個兩位請坐我接下來請教一下速發部好嗎副主委請回座我們請速發部\n\n20\n00:07:21,743 --> 00:07:46,685\n次長請教一下現在的這個南北的AI生態園區的規劃的方向目前是怎麼樣就如同剛才郭部長所講的其實我們在發展科技的時候最重要是人才對於軟體業來講尤其是這樣子那軟體業的主要的對於那個廠商的設廠的那個應該說設公司主要的考量不是在土地跟廠房而是在於人才\n\n21\n00:07:47,245 --> 00:08:01,842\n而人才總是會選擇他覺得最好的地方他最想住的地方去居住我們看美國的那個軟體產業的興起其實也是走這條路那至於說這個聚落的形成我請教一下南北的AI生態園區的設施這個持續在進行當中嗎什麼時候會把它規劃出來\n\n22\n00:08:07,048 --> 00:08:33,004\n跟委員報告因為我們的數發部負責的是軟體那軟體的尤其軟體產業這個地方我們並目前重點是在於生態而不在於園區那國發會這邊會有整體考量因為國發會這邊會那這件事情是由數發部主導還是由國發會來主導就是如果包含硬體的話是由國發部主導如果是單單軟體的部分的話是由數發部來主導那是由誰整體的總的規劃是由誰來他一定有一個還是主委講一下好了好不好\n\n23\n00:08:38,211 --> 00:08:56,763\n整體總的部分我們現在正在是我們這邊在主導那整個均衡在北、中、南都會我希望國發出來的方案給我們一份參考好不好那我也希望國發基金再大力支持這樣的一個計畫好的再不影響那個保密原則我們會送過去好\n\n24\n00:08:58,164 --> 00:09:15,123\n然後再來我也要提醒其實我們現在的包括半導體學院這個不管是中山大學的甚至清大包括陽明交大的部分其實都在高雄也設置了這些半導體學院我覺得善加運用這樣的一個優勢\n\n25\n00:09:16,204 --> 00:09:36,592\n那我要講的是其實人才的聚落其實一定是不斷的政府有刻意去引導教育部的次長在這邊我也希望持續的支持南部的這個人才的一個養成的部分不要讓南部永遠只是作為工業不管是電力或者是石化或者是這個港口所需的東西都不斷的供應而已但是在於\n\n26\n00:09:37,853 --> 00:10:01,954\n新產業的形成或人才聚落的形成的時候反倒缺乏力道我認為那個對於整個南北的均衡發展是不利的我希望這件事情國發會主委還有各位部長、次長要不斷地放在心上我認為這個才是執政的一個重要的價值位置都會來來去去但是未來怎麼樣讓台灣留下一個均衡發展讓人才能夠留在每個地方事才事所的發展我認為這個才是執政上最重要的價值\n\n27\n00:10:02,614 --> 00:10:06,922\n好不好與各位共勉啦好謝謝我們一定會在北中發展均衡\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n189\t12918\t我們陳昌明委員貼心的提醒謝謝接下來我們請賴瑞榮委員請做詢答那麼我們中午不休息一直到今天會議結束謝謝請發言好 謝謝昭偉我先請那個劉朱偉跟郭部長我們請兩位好\n21502\t47039\t主委跟部長辛苦了總統其實在6月4號的台北國際電腦展其實有提到未來的三大的發展策略是把台灣打造成AI島我先請教兩位國務長就是AI這件事情其實經濟部也做了相當長一段時間那現在投入多少資源未來一定要投入多少資源來爭取讓台灣成為AI島甚至更多的國際大廠來到台灣來投資\n49202\t69854\t報告委員我們現在就是積極的在對國外的大廠來請他們來台灣投資那麼研發中心或者數據中心那剛才我想順便在這邊補充一下我們在邀請國際大廠來台灣的時候因為我們現在的人才就可能剛才陳委員他在講的\n71455\t95210\t就是怕擔心這樣子所以我們現在改變改變的就是說他要來台灣如果每一家公司要一千位人才我們都希望他帶進50%的人才進來這部分都是由我自己在溝通所以我們現在目前大概談了三家就是要來台灣設數據中心的那麼他應該是不會發生來我們台灣搶人才的這個現象\n96371\t125311\t哪三家可以講嗎這個是保密那個可不可以請司長也補充一下吧我們過去來花的錢跟未來一定要投入的錢好不好我們應該花了相當多的經費了啦司長要不要補充一下我們如果是連包含外商補助的錢的話幫一些技術的一些研發外商的一些補助的話超過100億以上超過100億了啦包括所以現在在進行當中不管是輝達或是AMD都是啦政府都投入了錢\n125871\t149203\t就像當年在半導體產業我們也投入相當多的資源然後引進來台灣這個也在做部長我也希望未來持續好不好就是說一方面當然是國家資源當然我們希望把AI島建立起來的話就需要投入更多的資源我們希望這個持續來進行那再來問一下國發會主委好不好國發會未來我們再請主委主委對包括國發基金包括一定要投入多少資源來做這件事情\n150303\t170497\t國家基金目前我們是已經同意目前是同意速發部我們投入第一個是100億的創業創新基金專門給AI的部分那另外其實我們另外之前有有Funding這個經濟部大概100億那現在用了7億還有90多億所以投入200億的一個\n171898\t192693\t之外我們今年也匡列國發基金的投資可以有到188億所以這些都可以拿來運用那其中專注AI的至少有100億如果我們要落實這樣的AI導的概念的話事實上當然政府的投入重要然後看國發基金還有包括經濟或相關資源都是重要的一環我們希望來整個匡列出來\n193473\t207961\t那我要提醒的是這個到現在為止其實全台灣當然是不缺電但是其實北部電力上是有缺口的電力上有缺口南部的在如果沒有更新那個統計其實有470萬的一個缺口北部\n209442\t232068\t臺灣的南部的部分,高雄是有,我也講過很多次,高雄用電60%,40%是中宋北宋那現在還在,包括新達跟大嶺燃氣機組都還在興建那我要講的是說,就是不斷的提醒這件事情,區域均衡發展上不要讓南部在電力上面不斷的供應的同時的時候,產業的聚落都形成在北部\n232848\t254604\t所以現在包括大家在談的很多不管是從輝達或者是AMD的部分都在談的這個研發中心的投資的時候那我們希望這些思考不要比如說像輝達現在傳起來有可能大家考慮的點是臺北、台南、高雄但我們希望他能夠更清楚的知道我剛剛講到政府其實是有給予補助\n256945\t281491\t這個補貼的那我們希望這樣在引導的過程中也要不斷讓他們知道說一方面政府希望南北兩大核心的發展這個AI生態系統是應該南北聚落多去完成它這個才是北部相對容易完成但是南部會比較辛苦一點但是也就是因為這樣而政府要施加一些力道包括電力的部分當南部這麼充分供應電力說AI也是相當耗掉相當多的電力的時候那更應該往\n282811\t301304\t南部來移動。」我先問一下部長同意這樣的看法嗎?報告委員我想我們經濟部的立場就是所有的外商要來台灣我們都歡迎到達哪一個城市我們尊重他的選擇不過我在這邊跟委員報告廠商他在選擇的時候不會只考慮水跟電\n303223\t320168\t他考慮的是他可以找到多少人所以水、電、人才包括場地都是重要的一些據點但是這個東西一定要不斷的長期的去做如果我們有意識去處理的話所有的東西基本北部的據落是容易形成的所以我還講的是\n320788\t349800\t既然國家有資源下去的時候南部的聚落也形成的時候為什麼我們現在講南北兩大AI的聚落也就是這樣希望它能夠有一個形成好的一個聚落的方式那如果只是順著所有的話那基本上你可以預期基本上多數都會在台北所以我還希望說這件事情部長要很有意識的那我也知道現在經濟部有一些計畫在進行當中我也希望部長能夠承諾既有進行的計畫不要去改變跟影響到好嗎\n351080\t374645\t我們不會去影響既有進行的計畫進行這種計畫務必要去落實來完成是的好那接下來請教一下主委因為時間非常有限主委認同我這樣的看法嗎就國發基金的投入之後我也希望南北兩大那我知道現在國發會跟數法部有在進行一些南北的這個AI的生態系統AI生態園區的這樣的一個概念\n376465\t395680\t主委,朝這個方向來規劃,讓實體園區讓南北形成兩大聚落,主委同意這樣的看法嗎?是的,均衡台灣是總統的政策,所以我們會落實這個政策實體園區其實是個政策嘛,我要講啦,當時我知道有一些壓力之後又變成虛擬,如果走為虛擬的話,那其實就是空的嘛\n396320\t416025\t其實它一定要是實體而且台灣的兩大聚落必然是南北兩大聚落北部以台北為核心包括到新竹這一塊是一定是一個聚落南部一定是以高雄跟台南為核心的一個聚落而現在不管是從亞灣或者是台南的這個南科的園區等等其實都看得出來其實已經有聚落形成了包括\n417265\t434896\t臺積電的一個進駐等我認為那個聚落已經形成那現在是要政府更加大那個力道那我也希望在實體園區的部分國發會未來能夠大力支持這個實體園區南北兩大聚落完成主委可以嗎可以可以這個請主委那個兩位請坐我接下來請教一下速發部好嗎副主委請回座我們請速發部\n441743\t466685\t次長請教一下現在的這個南北的AI生態園區的規劃的方向目前是怎麼樣就如同剛才郭部長所講的其實我們在發展科技的時候最重要是人才對於軟體業來講尤其是這樣子那軟體業的主要的對於那個廠商的設廠的那個應該說設公司主要的考量不是在土地跟廠房而是在於人才\n467245\t481842\t而人才總是會選擇他覺得最好的地方他最想住的地方去居住我們看美國的那個軟體產業的興起其實也是走這條路那至於說這個聚落的形成我請教一下南北的AI生態園區的設施這個持續在進行當中嗎什麼時候會把它規劃出來\n487048\t513004\t跟委員報告因為我們的數發部負責的是軟體那軟體的尤其軟體產業這個地方我們並目前重點是在於生態而不在於園區那國發會這邊會有整體考量因為國發會這邊會那這件事情是由數發部主導還是由國發會來主導就是如果包含硬體的話是由國發部主導如果是單單軟體的部分的話是由數發部來主導那是由誰整體的總的規劃是由誰來他一定有一個還是主委講一下好了好不好\n518211\t536763\t整體總的部分我們現在正在是我們這邊在主導那整個均衡在北、中、南都會我希望國發出來的方案給我們一份參考好不好那我也希望國發基金再大力支持這樣的一個計畫好的再不影響那個保密原則我們會送過去好\n538164\t555123\t然後再來我也要提醒其實我們現在的包括半導體學院這個不管是中山大學的甚至清大包括陽明交大的部分其實都在高雄也設置了這些半導體學院我覺得善加運用這樣的一個優勢\n556204\t576592\t那我要講的是其實人才的聚落其實一定是不斷的政府有刻意去引導教育部的次長在這邊我也希望持續的支持南部的這個人才的一個養成的部分不要讓南部永遠只是作為工業不管是電力或者是石化或者是這個港口所需的東西都不斷的供應而已但是在於\n577853\t601954\t新產業的形成或人才聚落的形成的時候反倒缺乏力道我認為那個對於整個南北的均衡發展是不利的我希望這件事情國發會主委還有各位部長、次長要不斷地放在心上我認為這個才是執政的一個重要的價值位置都會來來去去但是未來怎麼樣讓台灣留下一個均衡發展讓人才能夠留在每個地方事才事所的發展我認為這個才是執政上最重要的價值\n602614\t606922\t好不好 與各位共勉啦好 謝謝我們一定會在北中發展均衡\n","txt":"我們陳昌明委員貼心的提醒謝謝接下來我們請賴瑞榮委員請做詢答那麼我們中午不休息一直到今天會議結束謝謝請發言好 謝謝昭偉我先請那個劉朱偉跟郭部長我們請兩位好\n主委跟部長辛苦了總統其實在6月4號的台北國際電腦展其實有提到未來的三大的發展策略是把台灣打造成AI島我先請教兩位國務長就是AI這件事情其實經濟部也做了相當長一段時間那現在投入多少資源未來一定要投入多少資源來爭取讓台灣成為AI島甚至更多的國際大廠來到台灣來投資\n報告委員我們現在就是積極的在對國外的大廠來請他們來台灣投資那麼研發中心或者數據中心那剛才我想順便在這邊補充一下我們在邀請國際大廠來台灣的時候因為我們現在的人才就可能剛才陳委員他在講的\n就是怕擔心這樣子所以我們現在改變改變的就是說他要來台灣如果每一家公司要一千位人才我們都希望他帶進50%的人才進來這部分都是由我自己在溝通所以我們現在目前大概談了三家就是要來台灣設數據中心的那麼他應該是不會發生來我們台灣搶人才的這個現象\n哪三家可以講嗎這個是保密那個可不可以請司長也補充一下吧我們過去來花的錢跟未來一定要投入的錢好不好我們應該花了相當多的經費了啦司長要不要補充一下我們如果是連包含外商補助的錢的話幫一些技術的一些研發外商的一些補助的話超過100億以上超過100億了啦包括所以現在在進行當中不管是輝達或是AMD都是啦政府都投入了錢\n就像當年在半導體產業我們也投入相當多的資源然後引進來台灣這個也在做部長我也希望未來持續好不好就是說一方面當然是國家資源當然我們希望把AI島建立起來的話就需要投入更多的資源我們希望這個持續來進行那再來問一下國發會主委好不好國發會未來我們再請主委主委對包括國發基金包括一定要投入多少資源來做這件事情\n國家基金目前我們是已經同意目前是同意速發部我們投入第一個是100億的創業創新基金專門給AI的部分那另外其實我們另外之前有有Funding這個經濟部大概100億那現在用了7億還有90多億所以投入200億的一個\n之外我們今年也匡列國發基金的投資可以有到188億所以這些都可以拿來運用那其中專注AI的至少有100億如果我們要落實這樣的AI導的概念的話事實上當然政府的投入重要然後看國發基金還有包括經濟或相關資源都是重要的一環我們希望來整個匡列出來\n那我要提醒的是這個到現在為止其實全台灣當然是不缺電但是其實北部電力上是有缺口的電力上有缺口南部的在如果沒有更新那個統計其實有470萬的一個缺口北部\n臺灣的南部的部分,高雄是有,我也講過很多次,高雄用電60%,40%是中宋北宋那現在還在,包括新達跟大嶺燃氣機組都還在興建那我要講的是說,就是不斷的提醒這件事情,區域均衡發展上不要讓南部在電力上面不斷的供應的同時的時候,產業的聚落都形成在北部\n所以現在包括大家在談的很多不管是從輝達或者是AMD的部分都在談的這個研發中心的投資的時候那我們希望這些思考不要比如說像輝達現在傳起來有可能大家考慮的點是臺北、台南、高雄但我們希望他能夠更清楚的知道我剛剛講到政府其實是有給予補助\n這個補貼的那我們希望這樣在引導的過程中也要不斷讓他們知道說一方面政府希望南北兩大核心的發展這個AI生態系統是應該南北聚落多去完成它這個才是北部相對容易完成但是南部會比較辛苦一點但是也就是因為這樣而政府要施加一些力道包括電力的部分當南部這麼充分供應電力說AI也是相當耗掉相當多的電力的時候那更應該往\n南部來移動。」我先問一下部長同意這樣的看法嗎?報告委員我想我們經濟部的立場就是所有的外商要來台灣我們都歡迎到達哪一個城市我們尊重他的選擇不過我在這邊跟委員報告廠商他在選擇的時候不會只考慮水跟電\n他考慮的是他可以找到多少人所以水、電、人才包括場地都是重要的一些據點但是這個東西一定要不斷的長期的去做如果我們有意識去處理的話所有的東西基本北部的據落是容易形成的所以我還講的是\n既然國家有資源下去的時候南部的聚落也形成的時候為什麼我們現在講南北兩大AI的聚落也就是這樣希望它能夠有一個形成好的一個聚落的方式那如果只是順著所有的話那基本上你可以預期基本上多數都會在台北所以我還希望說這件事情部長要很有意識的那我也知道現在經濟部有一些計畫在進行當中我也希望部長能夠承諾既有進行的計畫不要去改變跟影響到好嗎\n我們不會去影響既有進行的計畫進行這種計畫務必要去落實來完成是的好那接下來請教一下主委因為時間非常有限主委認同我這樣的看法嗎就國發基金的投入之後我也希望南北兩大那我知道現在國發會跟數法部有在進行一些南北的這個AI的生態系統AI生態園區的這樣的一個概念\n主委,朝這個方向來規劃,讓實體園區讓南北形成兩大聚落,主委同意這樣的看法嗎?是的,均衡台灣是總統的政策,所以我們會落實這個政策實體園區其實是個政策嘛,我要講啦,當時我知道有一些壓力之後又變成虛擬,如果走為虛擬的話,那其實就是空的嘛\n其實它一定要是實體而且台灣的兩大聚落必然是南北兩大聚落北部以台北為核心包括到新竹這一塊是一定是一個聚落南部一定是以高雄跟台南為核心的一個聚落而現在不管是從亞灣或者是台南的這個南科的園區等等其實都看得出來其實已經有聚落形成了包括\n臺積電的一個進駐等我認為那個聚落已經形成那現在是要政府更加大那個力道那我也希望在實體園區的部分國發會未來能夠大力支持這個實體園區南北兩大聚落完成主委可以嗎可以可以這個請主委那個兩位請坐我接下來請教一下速發部好嗎副主委請回座我們請速發部\n次長請教一下現在的這個南北的AI生態園區的規劃的方向目前是怎麼樣就如同剛才郭部長所講的其實我們在發展科技的時候最重要是人才對於軟體業來講尤其是這樣子那軟體業的主要的對於那個廠商的設廠的那個應該說設公司主要的考量不是在土地跟廠房而是在於人才\n而人才總是會選擇他覺得最好的地方他最想住的地方去居住我們看美國的那個軟體產業的興起其實也是走這條路那至於說這個聚落的形成我請教一下南北的AI生態園區的設施這個持續在進行當中嗎什麼時候會把它規劃出來\n跟委員報告因為我們的數發部負責的是軟體那軟體的尤其軟體產業這個地方我們並目前重點是在於生態而不在於園區那國發會這邊會有整體考量因為國發會這邊會那這件事情是由數發部主導還是由國發會來主導就是如果包含硬體的話是由國發部主導如果是單單軟體的部分的話是由數發部來主導那是由誰整體的總的規劃是由誰來他一定有一個還是主委講一下好了好不好\n整體總的部分我們現在正在是我們這邊在主導那整個均衡在北、中、南都會我希望國發出來的方案給我們一份參考好不好那我也希望國發基金再大力支持這樣的一個計畫好的再不影響那個保密原則我們會送過去好\n然後再來我也要提醒其實我們現在的包括半導體學院這個不管是中山大學的甚至清大包括陽明交大的部分其實都在高雄也設置了這些半導體學院我覺得善加運用這樣的一個優勢\n那我要講的是其實人才的聚落其實一定是不斷的政府有刻意去引導教育部的次長在這邊我也希望持續的支持南部的這個人才的一個養成的部分不要讓南部永遠只是作為工業不管是電力或者是石化或者是這個港口所需的東西都不斷的供應而已但是在於\n新產業的形成或人才聚落的形成的時候反倒缺乏力道我認為那個對於整個南北的均衡發展是不利的我希望這件事情國發會主委還有各位部長、次長要不斷地放在心上我認為這個才是執政的一個重要的價值位置都會來來去去但是未來怎麼樣讓台灣留下一個均衡發展讓人才能夠留在每個地方事才事所的發展我認為這個才是執政上最重要的價值\n好不好 與各位共勉啦好 謝謝我們一定會在北中發展均衡\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.189 --> 00:12.918\n我們陳昌明委員貼心的提醒謝謝接下來我們請賴瑞榮委員請做詢答那麼我們中午不休息一直到今天會議結束謝謝請發言好謝謝昭偉我先請那個劉朱偉跟郭部長我們請兩位好\n\n00:21.502 --> 00:47.039\n主委跟部長辛苦了總統其實在6月4號的台北國際電腦展其實有提到未來的三大的發展策略是把台灣打造成AI島我先請教兩位國務長就是AI這件事情其實經濟部也做了相當長一段時間那現在投入多少資源未來一定要投入多少資源來爭取讓台灣成為AI島甚至更多的國際大廠來到台灣來投資\n\n00:49.202 --> 01:09.854\n報告委員我們現在就是積極的在對國外的大廠來請他們來台灣投資那麼研發中心或者數據中心那剛才我想順便在這邊補充一下我們在邀請國際大廠來台灣的時候因為我們現在的人才就可能剛才陳委員他在講的\n\n01:11.455 --> 01:35.210\n就是怕擔心這樣子所以我們現在改變改變的就是說他要來台灣如果每一家公司要一千位人才我們都希望他帶進50%的人才進來這部分都是由我自己在溝通所以我們現在目前大概談了三家就是要來台灣設數據中心的那麼他應該是不會發生來我們台灣搶人才的這個現象\n\n01:36.371 --> 02:05.311\n哪三家可以講嗎這個是保密那個可不可以請司長也補充一下吧我們過去來花的錢跟未來一定要投入的錢好不好我們應該花了相當多的經費了啦司長要不要補充一下我們如果是連包含外商補助的錢的話幫一些技術的一些研發外商的一些補助的話超過100億以上超過100億了啦包括所以現在在進行當中不管是輝達或是AMD都是啦政府都投入了錢\n\n02:05.871 --> 02:29.203\n就像當年在半導體產業我們也投入相當多的資源然後引進來台灣這個也在做部長我也希望未來持續好不好就是說一方面當然是國家資源當然我們希望把AI島建立起來的話就需要投入更多的資源我們希望這個持續來進行那再來問一下國發會主委好不好國發會未來我們再請主委主委對包括國發基金包括一定要投入多少資源來做這件事情\n\n02:30.303 --> 02:50.497\n國家基金目前我們是已經同意目前是同意速發部我們投入第一個是100億的創業創新基金專門給AI的部分那另外其實我們另外之前有有Funding這個經濟部大概100億那現在用了7億還有90多億所以投入200億的一個\n\n02:51.898 --> 03:12.693\n之外我們今年也匡列國發基金的投資可以有到188億所以這些都可以拿來運用那其中專注AI的至少有100億如果我們要落實這樣的AI導的概念的話事實上當然政府的投入重要然後看國發基金還有包括經濟或相關資源都是重要的一環我們希望來整個匡列出來\n\n03:13.473 --> 03:27.961\n那我要提醒的是這個到現在為止其實全台灣當然是不缺電但是其實北部電力上是有缺口的電力上有缺口南部的在如果沒有更新那個統計其實有470萬的一個缺口北部\n\n03:29.442 --> 03:52.068\n臺灣的南部的部分,高雄是有,我也講過很多次,高雄用電60%,40%是中宋北宋那現在還在,包括新達跟大嶺燃氣機組都還在興建那我要講的是說,就是不斷的提醒這件事情,區域均衡發展上不要讓南部在電力上面不斷的供應的同時的時候,產業的聚落都形成在北部\n\n03:52.848 --> 04:14.604\n所以現在包括大家在談的很多不管是從輝達或者是AMD的部分都在談的這個研發中心的投資的時候那我們希望這些思考不要比如說像輝達現在傳起來有可能大家考慮的點是臺北、台南、高雄但我們希望他能夠更清楚的知道我剛剛講到政府其實是有給予補助\n\n04:16.945 --> 04:41.491\n這個補貼的那我們希望這樣在引導的過程中也要不斷讓他們知道說一方面政府希望南北兩大核心的發展這個AI生態系統是應該南北聚落多去完成它這個才是北部相對容易完成但是南部會比較辛苦一點但是也就是因為這樣而政府要施加一些力道包括電力的部分當南部這麼充分供應電力說AI也是相當耗掉相當多的電力的時候那更應該往\n\n04:42.811 --> 05:01.304\n南部來移動。」我先問一下部長同意這樣的看法嗎?報告委員我想我們經濟部的立場就是所有的外商要來台灣我們都歡迎到達哪一個城市我們尊重他的選擇不過我在這邊跟委員報告廠商他在選擇的時候不會只考慮水跟電\n\n05:03.223 --> 05:20.168\n他考慮的是他可以找到多少人所以水、電、人才包括場地都是重要的一些據點但是這個東西一定要不斷的長期的去做如果我們有意識去處理的話所有的東西基本北部的據落是容易形成的所以我還講的是\n\n05:20.788 --> 05:49.800\n既然國家有資源下去的時候南部的聚落也形成的時候為什麼我們現在講南北兩大AI的聚落也就是這樣希望它能夠有一個形成好的一個聚落的方式那如果只是順著所有的話那基本上你可以預期基本上多數都會在台北所以我還希望說這件事情部長要很有意識的那我也知道現在經濟部有一些計畫在進行當中我也希望部長能夠承諾既有進行的計畫不要去改變跟影響到好嗎\n\n05:51.080 --> 06:14.645\n我們不會去影響既有進行的計畫進行這種計畫務必要去落實來完成是的好那接下來請教一下主委因為時間非常有限主委認同我這樣的看法嗎就國發基金的投入之後我也希望南北兩大那我知道現在國發會跟數法部有在進行一些南北的這個AI的生態系統AI生態園區的這樣的一個概念\n\n06:16.465 --> 06:35.680\n主委,朝這個方向來規劃,讓實體園區讓南北形成兩大聚落,主委同意這樣的看法嗎?是的,均衡台灣是總統的政策,所以我們會落實這個政策實體園區其實是個政策嘛,我要講啦,當時我知道有一些壓力之後又變成虛擬,如果走為虛擬的話,那其實就是空的嘛\n\n06:36.320 --> 06:56.025\n其實它一定要是實體而且台灣的兩大聚落必然是南北兩大聚落北部以台北為核心包括到新竹這一塊是一定是一個聚落南部一定是以高雄跟台南為核心的一個聚落而現在不管是從亞灣或者是台南的這個南科的園區等等其實都看得出來其實已經有聚落形成了包括\n\n06:57.265 --> 07:14.896\n臺積電的一個進駐等我認為那個聚落已經形成那現在是要政府更加大那個力道那我也希望在實體園區的部分國發會未來能夠大力支持這個實體園區南北兩大聚落完成主委可以嗎可以可以這個請主委那個兩位請坐我接下來請教一下速發部好嗎副主委請回座我們請速發部\n\n07:21.743 --> 07:46.685\n次長請教一下現在的這個南北的AI生態園區的規劃的方向目前是怎麼樣就如同剛才郭部長所講的其實我們在發展科技的時候最重要是人才對於軟體業來講尤其是這樣子那軟體業的主要的對於那個廠商的設廠的那個應該說設公司主要的考量不是在土地跟廠房而是在於人才\n\n07:47.245 --> 08:01.842\n而人才總是會選擇他覺得最好的地方他最想住的地方去居住我們看美國的那個軟體產業的興起其實也是走這條路那至於說這個聚落的形成我請教一下南北的AI生態園區的設施這個持續在進行當中嗎什麼時候會把它規劃出來\n\n08:07.048 --> 08:33.004\n跟委員報告因為我們的數發部負責的是軟體那軟體的尤其軟體產業這個地方我們並目前重點是在於生態而不在於園區那國發會這邊會有整體考量因為國發會這邊會那這件事情是由數發部主導還是由國發會來主導就是如果包含硬體的話是由國發部主導如果是單單軟體的部分的話是由數發部來主導那是由誰整體的總的規劃是由誰來他一定有一個還是主委講一下好了好不好\n\n08:38.211 --> 08:56.763\n整體總的部分我們現在正在是我們這邊在主導那整個均衡在北、中、南都會我希望國發出來的方案給我們一份參考好不好那我也希望國發基金再大力支持這樣的一個計畫好的再不影響那個保密原則我們會送過去好\n\n08:58.164 --> 09:15.123\n然後再來我也要提醒其實我們現在的包括半導體學院這個不管是中山大學的甚至清大包括陽明交大的部分其實都在高雄也設置了這些半導體學院我覺得善加運用這樣的一個優勢\n\n09:16.204 --> 09:36.592\n那我要講的是其實人才的聚落其實一定是不斷的政府有刻意去引導教育部的次長在這邊我也希望持續的支持南部的這個人才的一個養成的部分不要讓南部永遠只是作為工業不管是電力或者是石化或者是這個港口所需的東西都不斷的供應而已但是在於\n\n09:37.853 --> 10:01.954\n新產業的形成或人才聚落的形成的時候反倒缺乏力道我認為那個對於整個南北的均衡發展是不利的我希望這件事情國發會主委還有各位部長、次長要不斷地放在心上我認為這個才是執政的一個重要的價值位置都會來來去去但是未來怎麼樣讓台灣留下一個均衡發展讓人才能夠留在每個地方事才事所的發展我認為這個才是執政上最重要的價值\n\n10:02.614 --> 10:06.922\n好不好與各位共勉啦好謝謝我們一定會在北中發展均衡\n\n","segments":[{"start":0.189,"end":12.918,"text":"我們陳昌明委員貼心的提醒謝謝接下來我們請賴瑞榮委員請做詢答那麼我們中午不休息一直到今天會議結束謝謝請發言好 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