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00:00:23,060\n好,我們現在已經超過12點多我們反請未來來這邊質詢的委員能夠堅守時間這個本委會8加2然後列席委員4分鐘謝謝各位,謝謝好,謝謝張偉那我們就請那個教育部部長然後還有法務部和警政署的代表好,我們就請教育部長、法務部代表還有我們警政署,謝謝謝謝\n\n2\n00:00:27,936 --> 00:00:48,124\n謝謝各位今天我們針對這個有效防制毒品不要進入校園及減少霸凌的這個案件做這樣一個專題那我們也有機會跨部會的一個討論然後也再次提醒一下那今天這個專題裡面除了這個毒品霸凌以外那我認為本席認為還有一個很重要的主體叫詐騙\n\n3\n00:00:50,396 --> 00:00:59,443\n詐騙、霸凌及毒品,我想是在這整件事情裡面很重要的一種相關系。所以依據這麼錯綜複雜的因果關係,這三者的統計數據,\n\n4\n00:01:05,427 --> 00:01:05,627\n總統委員會主席\n\n5\n00:01:22,782 --> 00:01:51,076\n另外有個數據我也希望教育部這邊能夠留意一下雖然我們在校園霸凌防制的準則的一個背景下也召開了很多的會議還有公聽會但是今年有一個數據部裡面可以做一下瞭解也就是我們校園霸凌的數據不但的升高目前有2000多件但確認率卻降低了從三成到一成\n\n6\n00:01:54,318 --> 00:02:09,150\n拜託大家注意一下因為我們都有一些KPI各部會有KPI的一些壓力我不知道在這個KPI的導向跟壓力之下在數字的呈現上我覺得應該更\n\n7\n00:02:10,710 --> 00:02:33,075\n進一步去了解它背後的一些意義所以本席在今天的這個主題上有四點的看法與建議第一個部分是我們必須要嚴肅的看待每一個霸凌的案件因為每個案件都有它的意義這當然會讓大家比較累但是我們相信它這樣子的付出我們如果多關照一些社會成本相對會比較降低\n\n8\n00:02:33,935 --> 00:02:57,734\n第二部分,很多東西我們就教材完之後就感覺結束了了事但是很重要一點在這個主題上我們應該在持續追蹤的觀察長期的這樣子的追蹤其實有它的必要另外有一個部分是這個圍棋式本席在這邊建議我們應該將這個圍棋式定義入法然後能夠防圍杜建希望能夠做到一個源頭的防範\n\n9\n00:02:59,055 --> 00:03:21,855\n這個部分請相關部會去做一個考量另外我們在處理上要細密很重要一點就是保密很多事情都因為沒有保密結果除了當事人以外其他的人都是加油添醋結果到最後就變成一種渲染最後導致一種公審的狀態對當事人或相關人等其實是很不公平的\n\n10\n00:03:22,735 --> 00:03:49,151\n這是我今天很重要的一個四點的一個建議請相關部會研議接下來我們就用一個案件來做一個分享今年在這個2月23號及6月5號有一個媒體的報導我們看這個媒體報導的內容然後跟他的標題他的標題是應該是有一個家長以為國小的兒子他的兒子遭到霸凌這個爸爸就\n\n11\n00:03:50,591 --> 00:04:17,338\n怒拿了武士刀衝了學校這個是媒體的標題那我相信大家現在很多時候沒有時間那我們就是標題閃了一下然後大概這個標題就進入腦子裡但是很重要我們可能要看一下這個內容那我今天就把內容拆解一下請各部會就內容上你們看到的一個結果那你的你對這件事情的認知那因為這是他國小的這個爸爸的國小五年級的一個他的兒子然後在\n\n12\n00:04:19,460 --> 00:04:36,996\n二月的某日下午．感覺好像她認為遭到其他同學的言語的譏諷所以她的胞妹在接受的時候她聽到這件事然後她有她的認知認為小孩可能在校園裡面接受霸凌要被受到霸凌那時候告訴她爸爸\n\n13\n00:04:37,897 --> 00:04:54,697\n結果爸爸就向學校要求調查此事然後學校調查我想如果我們有經驗就知道這個看起來是沒有事情那應該也沒有這樣的情勢於是呢又依照這個我們的SOP又召開了協調會議然後邀請了這個爸爸跟其他市民家長的參與好然後內容二\n\n14\n00:04:57,349 --> 00:05:23,959\n接下來在22日爸爸就去參加了這個會議結果他在這個會議當中情緒激動之下就拿出他的武士刀然後就對大家揮舞當然我們看到一些器具我們當然都會害怕所以校方就緊急封鎖整個學校52個班級進行廣播然後請大家不要離開教室當然大部分的人不知道什麼事情就在教室裡面度過了驚恐的1.5小時\n\n15\n00:05:26,801 --> 00:05:43,877\n第三當然就一定會有人去報案了分局接到報案之後就趕快到了學校然後就把這個爸爸以現行犯的方式逮捕爸爸看到了也就將這個武士刀趕快丟在這個校園的排水溝但是很多東西就後來這些器具被找到了\n\n16\n00:05:44,997 --> 00:06:02,949\n警方也發現武士刀和高爾夫球桿我後面掛號自己會想說這高爾夫球桿跟爸爸有沒有關係但是在一定的篇幅下能夠看到的報導大概就是這樣見識以後就發現武士刀還沒有開封只能算是鈍器不屬於危險物品\n\n17\n00:06:04,790 --> 00:06:21,725\n所以我真的好奇是這個請問那個高爾夫球桿是在這邊加重武士道的強度嗎這個是所謂媒體有太多背景可以解讀了好那接下來最後一個第一在審理這個A男的時候呢偵查當中他都對他的行為有\n\n18\n00:06:23,507 --> 00:06:25,268\n我們是不是先請檢政署\n\n19\n00:06:54,025 --> 00:07:16,131\n接下來法務部教育的部分我們需要長一點的時間是不是聽聽大家的一個想法委員好警政署代表發言我們看到這個個案大概就是一開始是霸凌行為的一些紛爭那跟警政署相關的就是這個A男拿出這個五四刀開始揮舞之後這個學校報案\n\n20\n00:07:17,031 --> 00:07:34,543\n進到現場,我們依照現行判逮捕之後接下來就是這個院檢論罪的部分這個部分我們就尊重司法的判決我們未來會要求類似像這種校園安全事件要立刻能夠儘速到場立刻能夠維持所有人的安全為最重要的任務以上\n\n21\n00:07:35,538 --> 00:07:38,800\n法務部有什麼看法?首先這個案子應該涉及的是刑法305條的單純恐嚇罪因為他那個武士刀沒開封沒開封的話他沒有辦法用槍砲彈\n\n22\n00:07:52,711 --> 00:07:53,271\n指責罪犯罪犯罪犯罪\n\n23\n00:08:17,346 --> 00:08:20,709\n謝謝。最後教育部要不要發表?其實我看到這樣一個事件的發展事實上是覺得很尷尬\n\n24\n00:08:44,775 --> 00:09:02,492\n因為我們大概可以理解這個父親關心小孩然後看起來父親有一點衝動型的一個性格那也帶了不應該帶的這個器具到學校那在溝通的過程裡邊產生了一些不必要的一些紛爭\n\n25\n00:09:04,093 --> 00:09:04,613\n我沒有努力的\n\n26\n00:09:33,925 --> 00:09:48,802\n好,謝謝部長這邊各單位都就你們的這個職責背景提出了一些看法那本席就針對這樣一個案件剛才那個部長這邊提到的那也很感受啦就是我們都心有同感\n\n27\n00:09:52,907 --> 00:10:10,689\n這就反映到剛才本席一開始所講的我們對每一個案件的這個看待它都有後面很多的背景而且是有連帶的那這個部分我們如果光一個案件然後再加上每一年這麼多的案件那這個連帶起來我們看不到的社會成本是非常高的所以其實值得我們來正視\n\n28\n00:10:12,150 --> 00:10:34,685\n本席在這個部分我們講客觀一點來看待啦我們是不是應該第一個檢視怎麼去判斷這個孩子是不是遭到霸凌那有沒有可能在這個過程當中他乾脆後來或許有些東西就往心裡放然後就跟著他一起成長那另外呢家長依據孩子的說法行動的事實如何處理然後再來呢是如何對家長進行安撫\n\n29\n00:10:35,405 --> 00:10:36,106\n提出這幾點供大家參考．\n\n30\n00:10:50,362 --> 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