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00:00:37,630\n各位好嗯主委那因為今天這個議題是這個AI的議題那這幾個禮拜來大概整個台灣都是席捲著這個AI的這個浪潮齁\n\n3\n00:00:39,472 --> 00:00:58,861\n事實上今天也是討論了包括針對AI的產業應用甚至人才培育講了很多我想先就教主委就AI的這個產業公部門部分有哪些是公部門可以開始來採用AI的技術\n\n4\n00:01:01,179 --> 00:01:21,135\n跟委員報告公部門很早就開始使用生成式AI做一些資料的分析整理跟查詢所以國科會也因為這樣它有因為它這也有安全跟效率兩個構面安全面國科會有提出了一個使用生成式AI的參考指引確保在資料上的安全\n\n5\n00:01:21,835 --> 00:01:32,610\n那另外在政府的應用部分目前是數發部有一個智慧政府辦公室專門在做這個整個公部門數位化的跟智慧化的部分\n\n6\n00:01:33,396 --> 00:01:52,197\n就公部門部分當然是用生成式AI嘛那這包括說未來很多公部門的一些政策的制定那甚至說一些包括說可能來立法院來做的最簡單的這樣的一些報告是不是都未來會用AI然後來做基礎的一些架構\n\n7\n00:01:53,502 --> 00:02:08,854\n是的各單位就我的我們上次稍微大家聊了一下幾乎每個部會都在使用中每個單位都在使用然後速發部也特別政府特別成立了智慧政府辦公室專門在推動我們整個智慧政府的發展\n\n8\n00:02:09,994 --> 00:02:26,019\n所以現在公部門的教育訓練這一塊就是說大家都會使用嗎?還是說會用的人會用,不會的人就讓他們自己去學習?以本會而言,我們普遍都有全部都有上過課全部都有上過課,所以大家都大概會去使用\n\n9\n00:02:26,519 --> 00:02:47,100\n好那這第一個齁那第二個就叫這個主委就是說因為這個是生成式AI嘛齁他主要還是所謂的生成式就是說必須他的生成要有他的未資料齁所謂的未資料那這部分會不會有涉及到政府的這個機密的一些資訊外洩的一個問題\n\n10\n00:02:47,920 --> 00:03:11,673\n那如何去預防?謝謝委員,這裡面有兩個構面,就像如同我前面講的當我們在查詢整理資料的時候,怎麼樣做到安全,國科會已經給了一個指引那第二個部分是,就我了解,國科會現在正在做一個AI基本法它的目的就是希望做到主權AI,讓台灣的資料能夠保存在台灣而不會被其他地方拿到\n\n11\n00:03:12,954 --> 00:03:35,151\n這個進一步說明當然我們可以請國科會來補充但是就我了解目前政府很積極在做這個補充那如果涉及到機密資料已經跑進去的呢?如果涉及到真的有一些屬於比較機密、機敏性的結果它已經在AI的基本資料裡面但是你也沒辦法把它抽離那這部分你要怎麼樣去做未來的預防?\n\n12\n00:03:37,549 --> 00:03:58,943\n這裡以政府目前現在是有在做資料治理的管控那這個資料治理管控是不會讓機密資料進去的所以一開始就必須一開始先管控好嗎我想這個應該也不只台灣啦全世界大概都會硬硬的這樣因為它本來就是這種AI就是資料的一些怎麼產生嘛那資料的來源庫是什麼\n\n13\n00:03:59,423 --> 00:04:20,698\n沒錯那我想這部分應該是台灣我們有這樣的一些指引事實上多去參考國外怎麼做這個也是一個很必要的一個過程好不好主權AI的確是目前台灣很重要的一件事情好那第三個再來就叫這個主委那當然是說台灣過去\n\n14\n00:04:22,355 --> 00:04:30,600\n也有在發展類似台版的這個叫做CHAT、GDP的台版的叫做TIDE\n\n15\n00:04:31,926 --> 00:04:55,658\n那這樣的一個泰德的這樣的一個他的跟確實比較不一樣是他比較靠台灣比啦以他的使用的可能是以繁體中文然後可能比較有一些台灣的一些語言本土語言的一些特色那但是呢畢竟市場有限所以如果要打向國際的話他可能還要更多的\n\n16\n00:04:56,699 --> 00:05:02,692\n類似一些英語的資料或其他資料的涉入所以未來\n\n17\n00:05:04,495 --> 00:05:28,317\n臺灣的政策會在這一個這一個開發自己的這個AI的軟體還是說因為畢竟現在黃仁勳他也是帶著臺灣的產業對不對所以還是我們就是說在這兩個抉擇上我們還是要發展自己的開發自己的軟體還是說就讓他順其自然業界本來這個業界本來就是強者很強如果\n\n18\n00:05:30,439 --> 00:05:35,724\n不夠強的話自然會被淘汰那這個國發會你們的具體的策略是怎樣\n\n19\n00:05:36,853 --> 00:06:06,267\n這個部分我有整個看過TED的展示的確台灣需要有自己的工具原因是他無論是用台語也好或者是用中文也好他所得到的資料的精準度都會比國外的產品好那英文的部分國外本來就會有所以呢基本上他會兼具英文兼具中文兼具台語那他所能夠服務台灣人民的\n\n20\n00:06:06,827 --> 00:06:23,011\n資料查詢的精準度我看到的展示都會比國外的來得好很多那對服務國民、人民的一些政府服務也都可以做得會比較好一點所以泰德他的優勢就是說他比較本土化啦可能是我們的台語啦或是我們講的一些方言的東西\n\n21\n00:06:26,292 --> 00:06:46,512\n他這一套軟體他是有辦法掌握的但是他的掌握度總是在專業度上可能會不夠不會像其他的軟體他為的資料可能比較多而且比較多元可能會有這樣的問題那所以主委你的說法是說這一套軟體還是有它的優勢所以未來我們還是會扶持這一套軟體讓它繼續壯大囉\n\n22\n00:06:49,798 --> 00:06:56,835\n就我了解國科會目前的做法是這樣好那除了除了扶持他之外可是我們要怎麼鼓勵大家使用\n\n23\n00:06:58,303 --> 00:07:20,840\n他現在等到他們應該是有一個發展進程然後成熟之後他應該就會開始開放出來是不是我請國科會這邊來說明一下跟委員報告那基本上台德這個計畫原來是到4月底可是我們會把它延續到12月底就是讓台德他在這個資料的收集還有模型的訓練能夠各號台灣V\n\n24\n00:07:23,402 --> 00:07:42,891\n然後明年開始我們會加強它的推廣跟應用目前來講我們這個調整後的那個model我們是會把新的版本都會公布然後讓這個業界還有讓那個什麼我們講的公務機關都能夠下載然後經過微調之後就可以來使用\n\n25\n00:07:44,585 --> 00:08:13,960\n就是說過去類似這樣的我想在幾年前就是說像那個LINE剛在興起的時候台灣也有一度說要去開發我們自己的通訊軟體那但是後來也是卡在市場因素整個市場大家就是都用LINE所以台灣的通訊軟體後來在當時也差不多無聲而起了所以我現在也很高興你現在去開發這一套泰德但是\n\n26\n00:08:14,500 --> 00:08:30,814\n他的市場的優勢究竟在哪邊以及他這個市場優勢足以讓他未來是可以支撐在這個競爭的環境中這件事情我是問號的所以你若沒有講出一套你未來要怎麼去推廣去行銷我感覺起來我們這套軟體要怎麼跟\n\n27\n00:08:34,262 --> 00:09:00,653\n講白了要怎麼跟CHAT的GDP他們現在還不斷的在成長中我們要怎麼跟人家競爭啊這個有兩個部分喔他跟LINE比較不像喔這裡面其實對服務台灣人民喔我們整個是大人喔其實他需要用台語來服務或是客語來服務啦那所以呢他對於本土性的服務對於做智慧政府或者是廠商要做智慧醫療智慧零售都會有很好的對主委你的意思說我們的優勢就是說\n\n28\n00:09:02,094 --> 00:09:16,762\n他對於台語對於方言的適應度是更高的那將來辨別度也會比較好對東南亞市場的華人市場我們都還是可以進入那另外因為他的邏輯是一樣的他轉回到英文跟中文的時候在華人市場跟海外市場還是有機會做進展\n\n29\n00:09:19,443 --> 00:09:38,534\n所以他跟LINE會比較不太一樣當然我LINE只是一個舉例但是未必是類似的狀況但是我只要跟強調就是說我們既然沒發展這一套軟體我們要怎麼把它的優勢發揮到我相信CHAT的GDP總有一天他的台語的功能也許會變強\n\n30\n00:09:40,035 --> 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各單位就我的我們上次稍微大家聊了一下幾乎每個部會都在使用中每個單位都在使用然後速發部也特別政府特別成立了智慧政府辦公室專門在推動我們整個智慧政府的發展\n129994\t146019\t所以現在公部門的教育訓練這一塊就是說大家都會使用嗎?還是說會用的人會用,不會的人就讓他們自己去學習?以本會而言,我們普遍都有全部都有上過課全部都有上過課,所以大家都大概會去使用\n146519\t167100\t好那這第一個齁那第二個就叫這個主委就是說因為這個是生成式AI嘛齁他主要還是所謂的生成式就是說必須他的生成要有他的未資料齁所謂的未資料那這部分會不會有涉及到政府的這個機密的一些資訊外洩的一個問題\n167920\t191673\t那如何去預防?謝謝委員,這裡面有兩個構面,就像如同我前面講的當我們在查詢整理資料的時候,怎麼樣做到安全,國科會已經給了一個指引那第二個部分是,就我了解,國科會現在正在做一個AI基本法它的目的就是希望做到主權AI,讓台灣的資料能夠保存在台灣而不會被其他地方拿到\n192954\t215151\t這個進一步說明當然我們可以請國科會來補充但是就我了解目前政府很積極在做這個補充那如果涉及到機密資料已經跑進去的呢?如果涉及到真的有一些屬於比較機密、機敏性的結果它已經在AI的基本資料裡面但是你也沒辦法把它抽離那這部分你要怎麼樣去做未來的預防?\n217549\t238943\t這裡以政府目前現在是有在做資料治理的管控那這個資料治理管控是不會讓機密資料進去的所以一開始就必須一開始先管控好嗎我想這個應該也不只台灣啦全世界大概都會硬硬的這樣因為它本來就是這種AI就是資料的一些怎麼產生嘛那資料的來源庫是什麼\n239423\t260698\t沒錯那我想這部分應該是台灣我們有這樣的一些指引事實上多去參考國外怎麼做這個也是一個很必要的一個過程好不好主權AI的確是目前台灣很重要的一件事情好那第三個再來就叫這個主委那當然是說台灣過去\n262355\t270600\t也有在發展類似台版的這個叫做CHAT、GDP的台版的叫做TIDE\n271926\t295658\t那這樣的一個泰德的這樣的一個他的跟確實比較不一樣是他比較靠台灣比啦以他的使用的可能是以繁體中文然後可能比較有一些台灣的一些語言本土語言的一些特色那但是呢畢竟市場有限所以如果要打向國際的話他可能還要更多的\n296699\t302692\t類似一些英語的資料或其他資料的涉入所以未來\n304495\t328317\t臺灣的政策會在這一個這一個開發自己的這個AI的軟體還是說因為畢竟現在黃仁勳他也是帶著臺灣的產業對不對所以還是我們就是說在這兩個抉擇上我們還是要發展自己的開發自己的軟體還是說就讓他順其自然業界本來這個業界本來就是強者很強如果\n330439\t335724\t不夠強的話自然會被淘汰那這個國發會你們的具體的策略是怎樣\n336853\t366267\t這個部分我有整個看過TED的展示的確台灣需要有自己的工具原因是他無論是用台語也好或者是用中文也好他所得到的資料的精準度都會比國外的產品好那英文的部分國外本來就會有所以呢基本上他會兼具英文兼具中文兼具台語那他所能夠服務台灣人民的\n366827\t383011\t資料查詢的精準度我看到的展示都會比國外的來得好很多那對服務國民、人民的一些政府服務也都可以做得會比較好一點所以泰德他的優勢就是說他比較本土化啦可能是我們的台語啦或是我們講的一些方言的東西\n386292\t406512\t他這一套軟體他是有辦法掌握的但是他的掌握度總是在專業度上可能會不夠不會像其他的軟體他為的資料可能比較多而且比較多元可能會有這樣的問題那所以主委你的說法是說這一套軟體還是有它的優勢所以未來我們還是會扶持這一套軟體讓它繼續壯大囉\n409798\t416835\t就我了解國科會目前的做法是這樣好那除了除了扶持他之外可是我們要怎麼鼓勵大家使用\n418303\t440840\t他現在等到他們應該是有一個發展進程然後成熟之後他應該就會開始開放出來是不是我請國科會這邊來說明一下跟委員報告那基本上台德這個計畫原來是到4月底可是我們會把它延續到12月底就是讓台德他在這個資料的收集還有模型的訓練能夠各號台灣V\n443402\t462891\t然後明年開始我們會加強它的推廣跟應用目前來講我們這個調整後的那個model我們是會把新的版本都會公布然後讓這個業界還有讓那個什麼我們講的公務機關都能夠下載然後經過微調之後就可以來使用\n464585\t493960\t就是說過去類似這樣的我想在幾年前就是說像那個LINE剛在興起的時候台灣也有一度說要去開發我們自己的通訊軟體那但是後來也是卡在市場因素整個市場大家就是都用LINE所以台灣的通訊軟體後來在當時也差不多無聲而起了所以我現在也很高興你現在去開發這一套泰德但是\n494500\t510814\t他的市場的優勢究竟在哪邊以及他這個市場優勢足以讓他未來是可以支撐在這個競爭的環境中這件事情我是問號的所以你若沒有講出一套你未來要怎麼去推廣去行銷我感覺起來我們這套軟體要怎麼跟\n514262\t540653\t講白了要怎麼跟CHAT的GDP他們現在還不斷的在成長中我們要怎麼跟人家競爭啊這個有兩個部分喔他跟LINE比較不像喔這裡面其實對服務台灣人民喔我們整個是大人喔其實他需要用台語來服務或是客語來服務啦那所以呢他對於本土性的服務對於做智慧政府或者是廠商要做智慧醫療智慧零售都會有很好的對主委你的意思說我們的優勢就是說\n542094\t556762\t他對於台語對於方言的適應度是更高的那將來辨別度也會比較好對東南亞市場的華人市場我們都還是可以進入那另外因為他的邏輯是一樣的他轉回到英文跟中文的時候在華人市場跟海外市場還是有機會做進展\n559443\t578534\t所以他跟LINE會比較不太一樣當然我LINE只是一個舉例但是未必是類似的狀況但是我只要跟強調就是說我們既然沒發展這一套軟體我們要怎麼把它的優勢發揮到我相信CHAT的GDP總有一天他的台語的功能也許會變強\n580035\t590708\t哪一天他覺得這一塊有市場的時候,他就會在哪一塊強化?等他那一塊強化的時候,我們的優勢就會對得起所以我們既然要在這個軟體上要做競逐的話,我們一定要有一個我們要如何提供的一個重點,好不好?\n599037\t606441\t我認為這可以再研究看看我是給你們鼓勵啦但是我也知道說以我們的市場我們要開發出足以支撐然後讓它能夠賺錢的軟體那是很困難的我也是在你們鼓勵啦好 謝謝\n","txt":"委員請做詢問好,謝謝主席那我們是不是請國發會留主委好,我們請主委委員午安\n各位好 嗯 主委那因為今天這個議題是這個AI的議題那這幾個禮拜來大概整個台灣都是席捲著這個AI的這個浪潮齁\n事實上今天也是討論了包括針對AI的產業應用甚至人才培育講了很多我想先就教主委就AI的這個產業公部門部分有哪些是公部門可以開始來採用AI的技術\n跟委員報告公部門很早就開始使用生成式AI做一些資料的分析整理跟查詢所以國科會也因為這樣它有因為它這也有安全跟效率兩個構面安全面國科會有提出了一個使用生成式AI的參考指引確保在資料上的安全\n那另外在政府的應用部分目前是數發部有一個智慧政府辦公室專門在做這個整個公部門數位化的跟智慧化的部分\n就公部門部分當然是用生成式AI嘛那這包括說未來很多公部門的一些政策的制定那甚至說一些包括說可能來立法院來做的最簡單的這樣的一些報告是不是都未來會用AI然後來做基礎的一些架構\n是的 各單位就我的我們上次稍微大家聊了一下幾乎每個部會都在使用中每個單位都在使用然後速發部也特別政府特別成立了智慧政府辦公室專門在推動我們整個智慧政府的發展\n所以現在公部門的教育訓練這一塊就是說大家都會使用嗎?還是說會用的人會用,不會的人就讓他們自己去學習?以本會而言,我們普遍都有全部都有上過課全部都有上過課,所以大家都大概會去使用\n好那這第一個齁那第二個就叫這個主委就是說因為這個是生成式AI嘛齁他主要還是所謂的生成式就是說必須他的生成要有他的未資料齁所謂的未資料那這部分會不會有涉及到政府的這個機密的一些資訊外洩的一個問題\n那如何去預防?謝謝委員,這裡面有兩個構面,就像如同我前面講的當我們在查詢整理資料的時候,怎麼樣做到安全,國科會已經給了一個指引那第二個部分是,就我了解,國科會現在正在做一個AI基本法它的目的就是希望做到主權AI,讓台灣的資料能夠保存在台灣而不會被其他地方拿到\n這個進一步說明當然我們可以請國科會來補充但是就我了解目前政府很積極在做這個補充那如果涉及到機密資料已經跑進去的呢?如果涉及到真的有一些屬於比較機密、機敏性的結果它已經在AI的基本資料裡面但是你也沒辦法把它抽離那這部分你要怎麼樣去做未來的預防?\n這裡以政府目前現在是有在做資料治理的管控那這個資料治理管控是不會讓機密資料進去的所以一開始就必須一開始先管控好嗎我想這個應該也不只台灣啦全世界大概都會硬硬的這樣因為它本來就是這種AI就是資料的一些怎麼產生嘛那資料的來源庫是什麼\n沒錯那我想這部分應該是台灣我們有這樣的一些指引事實上多去參考國外怎麼做這個也是一個很必要的一個過程好不好主權AI的確是目前台灣很重要的一件事情好那第三個再來就叫這個主委那當然是說台灣過去\n也有在發展類似台版的這個叫做CHAT、GDP的台版的叫做TIDE\n那這樣的一個泰德的這樣的一個他的跟確實比較不一樣是他比較靠台灣比啦以他的使用的可能是以繁體中文然後可能比較有一些台灣的一些語言本土語言的一些特色那但是呢畢竟市場有限所以如果要打向國際的話他可能還要更多的\n類似一些英語的資料或其他資料的涉入所以未來\n臺灣的政策會在這一個這一個開發自己的這個AI的軟體還是說因為畢竟現在黃仁勳他也是帶著臺灣的產業對不對所以還是我們就是說在這兩個抉擇上我們還是要發展自己的開發自己的軟體還是說就讓他順其自然業界本來這個業界本來就是強者很強如果\n不夠強的話自然會被淘汰那這個國發會你們的具體的策略是怎樣\n這個部分我有整個看過TED的展示的確台灣需要有自己的工具原因是他無論是用台語也好或者是用中文也好他所得到的資料的精準度都會比國外的產品好那英文的部分國外本來就會有所以呢基本上他會兼具英文兼具中文兼具台語那他所能夠服務台灣人民的\n資料查詢的精準度我看到的展示都會比國外的來得好很多那對服務國民、人民的一些政府服務也都可以做得會比較好一點所以泰德他的優勢就是說他比較本土化啦可能是我們的台語啦或是我們講的一些方言的東西\n他這一套軟體他是有辦法掌握的但是他的掌握度總是在專業度上可能會不夠不會像其他的軟體他為的資料可能比較多而且比較多元可能會有這樣的問題那所以主委你的說法是說這一套軟體還是有它的優勢所以未來我們還是會扶持這一套軟體讓它繼續壯大囉\n就我了解國科會目前的做法是這樣好那除了除了扶持他之外可是我們要怎麼鼓勵大家使用\n他現在等到他們應該是有一個發展進程然後成熟之後他應該就會開始開放出來是不是我請國科會這邊來說明一下跟委員報告那基本上台德這個計畫原來是到4月底可是我們會把它延續到12月底就是讓台德他在這個資料的收集還有模型的訓練能夠各號台灣V\n然後明年開始我們會加強它的推廣跟應用目前來講我們這個調整後的那個model我們是會把新的版本都會公布然後讓這個業界還有讓那個什麼我們講的公務機關都能夠下載然後經過微調之後就可以來使用\n就是說過去類似這樣的我想在幾年前就是說像那個LINE剛在興起的時候台灣也有一度說要去開發我們自己的通訊軟體那但是後來也是卡在市場因素整個市場大家就是都用LINE所以台灣的通訊軟體後來在當時也差不多無聲而起了所以我現在也很高興你現在去開發這一套泰德但是\n他的市場的優勢究竟在哪邊以及他這個市場優勢足以讓他未來是可以支撐在這個競爭的環境中這件事情我是問號的所以你若沒有講出一套你未來要怎麼去推廣去行銷我感覺起來我們這套軟體要怎麼跟\n講白了要怎麼跟CHAT的GDP他們現在還不斷的在成長中我們要怎麼跟人家競爭啊這個有兩個部分喔他跟LINE比較不像喔這裡面其實對服務台灣人民喔我們整個是大人喔其實他需要用台語來服務或是客語來服務啦那所以呢他對於本土性的服務對於做智慧政府或者是廠商要做智慧醫療智慧零售都會有很好的對主委你的意思說我們的優勢就是說\n他對於台語對於方言的適應度是更高的那將來辨別度也會比較好對東南亞市場的華人市場我們都還是可以進入那另外因為他的邏輯是一樣的他轉回到英文跟中文的時候在華人市場跟海外市場還是有機會做進展\n所以他跟LINE會比較不太一樣當然我LINE只是一個舉例但是未必是類似的狀況但是我只要跟強調就是說我們既然沒發展這一套軟體我們要怎麼把它的優勢發揮到我相信CHAT的GDP總有一天他的台語的功能也許會變強\n哪一天他覺得這一塊有市場的時候,他就會在哪一塊強化?等他那一塊強化的時候,我們的優勢就會對得起所以我們既然要在這個軟體上要做競逐的話,我們一定要有一個我們要如何提供的一個重點,好不好?\n我認為這可以再研究看看我是給你們鼓勵啦但是我也知道說以我們的市場我們要開發出足以支撐然後讓它能夠賺錢的軟體那是很困難的我也是在你們鼓勵啦好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.283 --> 00:25.876\n委員請做詢問好,謝謝主席那我們是不是請國發會留主委好,我們請主委委員午安\n\n00:26.613 --> 00:37.630\n各位好嗯主委那因為今天這個議題是這個AI的議題那這幾個禮拜來大概整個台灣都是席捲著這個AI的這個浪潮齁\n\n00:39.472 --> 00:58.861\n事實上今天也是討論了包括針對AI的產業應用甚至人才培育講了很多我想先就教主委就AI的這個產業公部門部分有哪些是公部門可以開始來採用AI的技術\n\n01:01.179 --> 01:21.135\n跟委員報告公部門很早就開始使用生成式AI做一些資料的分析整理跟查詢所以國科會也因為這樣它有因為它這也有安全跟效率兩個構面安全面國科會有提出了一個使用生成式AI的參考指引確保在資料上的安全\n\n01:21.835 --> 01:32.610\n那另外在政府的應用部分目前是數發部有一個智慧政府辦公室專門在做這個整個公部門數位化的跟智慧化的部分\n\n01:33.396 --> 01:52.197\n就公部門部分當然是用生成式AI嘛那這包括說未來很多公部門的一些政策的制定那甚至說一些包括說可能來立法院來做的最簡單的這樣的一些報告是不是都未來會用AI然後來做基礎的一些架構\n\n01:53.502 --> 02:08.854\n是的各單位就我的我們上次稍微大家聊了一下幾乎每個部會都在使用中每個單位都在使用然後速發部也特別政府特別成立了智慧政府辦公室專門在推動我們整個智慧政府的發展\n\n02:09.994 --> 02:26.019\n所以現在公部門的教育訓練這一塊就是說大家都會使用嗎?還是說會用的人會用,不會的人就讓他們自己去學習?以本會而言,我們普遍都有全部都有上過課全部都有上過課,所以大家都大概會去使用\n\n02:26.519 --> 02:47.100\n好那這第一個齁那第二個就叫這個主委就是說因為這個是生成式AI嘛齁他主要還是所謂的生成式就是說必須他的生成要有他的未資料齁所謂的未資料那這部分會不會有涉及到政府的這個機密的一些資訊外洩的一個問題\n\n02:47.920 --> 03:11.673\n那如何去預防?謝謝委員,這裡面有兩個構面,就像如同我前面講的當我們在查詢整理資料的時候,怎麼樣做到安全,國科會已經給了一個指引那第二個部分是,就我了解,國科會現在正在做一個AI基本法它的目的就是希望做到主權AI,讓台灣的資料能夠保存在台灣而不會被其他地方拿到\n\n03:12.954 --> 03:35.151\n這個進一步說明當然我們可以請國科會來補充但是就我了解目前政府很積極在做這個補充那如果涉及到機密資料已經跑進去的呢?如果涉及到真的有一些屬於比較機密、機敏性的結果它已經在AI的基本資料裡面但是你也沒辦法把它抽離那這部分你要怎麼樣去做未來的預防?\n\n03:37.549 --> 03:58.943\n這裡以政府目前現在是有在做資料治理的管控那這個資料治理管控是不會讓機密資料進去的所以一開始就必須一開始先管控好嗎我想這個應該也不只台灣啦全世界大概都會硬硬的這樣因為它本來就是這種AI就是資料的一些怎麼產生嘛那資料的來源庫是什麼\n\n03:59.423 --> 04:20.698\n沒錯那我想這部分應該是台灣我們有這樣的一些指引事實上多去參考國外怎麼做這個也是一個很必要的一個過程好不好主權AI的確是目前台灣很重要的一件事情好那第三個再來就叫這個主委那當然是說台灣過去\n\n04:22.355 --> 04:30.600\n也有在發展類似台版的這個叫做CHAT、GDP的台版的叫做TIDE\n\n04:31.926 --> 04:55.658\n那這樣的一個泰德的這樣的一個他的跟確實比較不一樣是他比較靠台灣比啦以他的使用的可能是以繁體中文然後可能比較有一些台灣的一些語言本土語言的一些特色那但是呢畢竟市場有限所以如果要打向國際的話他可能還要更多的\n\n04:56.699 --> 05:02.692\n類似一些英語的資料或其他資料的涉入所以未來\n\n05:04.495 --> 05:28.317\n臺灣的政策會在這一個這一個開發自己的這個AI的軟體還是說因為畢竟現在黃仁勳他也是帶著臺灣的產業對不對所以還是我們就是說在這兩個抉擇上我們還是要發展自己的開發自己的軟體還是說就讓他順其自然業界本來這個業界本來就是強者很強如果\n\n05:30.439 --> 05:35.724\n不夠強的話自然會被淘汰那這個國發會你們的具體的策略是怎樣\n\n05:36.853 --> 06:06.267\n這個部分我有整個看過TED的展示的確台灣需要有自己的工具原因是他無論是用台語也好或者是用中文也好他所得到的資料的精準度都會比國外的產品好那英文的部分國外本來就會有所以呢基本上他會兼具英文兼具中文兼具台語那他所能夠服務台灣人民的\n\n06:06.827 --> 06:23.011\n資料查詢的精準度我看到的展示都會比國外的來得好很多那對服務國民、人民的一些政府服務也都可以做得會比較好一點所以泰德他的優勢就是說他比較本土化啦可能是我們的台語啦或是我們講的一些方言的東西\n\n06:26.292 --> 06:46.512\n他這一套軟體他是有辦法掌握的但是他的掌握度總是在專業度上可能會不夠不會像其他的軟體他為的資料可能比較多而且比較多元可能會有這樣的問題那所以主委你的說法是說這一套軟體還是有它的優勢所以未來我們還是會扶持這一套軟體讓它繼續壯大囉\n\n06:49.798 --> 06:56.835\n就我了解國科會目前的做法是這樣好那除了除了扶持他之外可是我們要怎麼鼓勵大家使用\n\n06:58.303 --> 07:20.840\n他現在等到他們應該是有一個發展進程然後成熟之後他應該就會開始開放出來是不是我請國科會這邊來說明一下跟委員報告那基本上台德這個計畫原來是到4月底可是我們會把它延續到12月底就是讓台德他在這個資料的收集還有模型的訓練能夠各號台灣V\n\n07:23.402 --> 07:42.891\n然後明年開始我們會加強它的推廣跟應用目前來講我們這個調整後的那個model我們是會把新的版本都會公布然後讓這個業界還有讓那個什麼我們講的公務機關都能夠下載然後經過微調之後就可以來使用\n\n07:44.585 --> 08:13.960\n就是說過去類似這樣的我想在幾年前就是說像那個LINE剛在興起的時候台灣也有一度說要去開發我們自己的通訊軟體那但是後來也是卡在市場因素整個市場大家就是都用LINE所以台灣的通訊軟體後來在當時也差不多無聲而起了所以我現在也很高興你現在去開發這一套泰德但是\n\n08:14.500 --> 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